Almost 140 serious injuries to Capitol Cops

[Faun]

That has nothing to do with use of deadly force regulations.

Of course it does. Deadly force is justifiable based on the threat one faces.

It has to be a specific lethal threat or bodily harm threat.

20 black guys robbing a store and one tries to jump out a window towards a cop, the cop can shoot him to make sure the other guys know the cop means business?

No. He shoots the guy because he’s coming at the cop and presents an immediate threat to him.

Unarmed, going through a window is a threat? Coming from a room with far heavier armed police who aren't even aiming their weapons at the other people there?

You are using the "spaghetti on the wall" method of trying to argue this, just throwing things and seeing what sticks.

You talk about not being able to admit when a side is wrong, and you are doing just that right here.

Talk about fucking ignorant.

How was the cop supposed to know she was unarmed? And whether or not she was armed is irrelevant as she was part of a much bigger mob who were making their way through the Capitol, hunting for politicians to murder.

It's amazing how much goalpost moving you do to justify this.

She didn't have a weapon out at all, she could have easily been restrained while in the act of going through the door, and there were other officers there far more heavily armed amongst the crowd that didn't see the need to open fire.

And the more times goes on, the more the "looking for politicians to murder" bullshit gets debunked.

I've moved nothing, ya moron. My position has been solid since the details of her death first emerged.

And nothing's been debunked regarding the potential for murdering politicians. The mob is heard on video, calling to hang the VP.

So far the fire extinguisher hitting the cop who died has been debunked, and now it appears the "plastic handcuff" guy didn't bring them, but found them inside the building.

As for the chanting, I'm sure far more virulent things were chanted at BLM/Anti-fa protests, as well as direct threats at the officers and anyone not part of the protest, but of course you ignore that.

You're an idiot, Marty. The only one claiming Brock found those twist ties is Brock. And that's his defense against charges against him. Meanwhile, he wasn't the only one seen with twist ties and there were surveillance cameras everywhere. If he truly found them, that will likely be proven in court. But even then, that's not to say another insurrectionist that day didn't drop them.

As far as the chanting, it matters not what occurred at any other riots. That's irrelevant to this case and you only mention it to serve as a distraction. It has zero bearing on that mob calling for the death of the VPOTUS while they had the ability to carry that threat out.

 

[Faun]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

It's easy to justify. Imagine you're at home with your family. Your family is hiding behind you in a bedroom while you've got your gun trained on the door to that bedroom because a mob of people had broken into your house, could be heard chanting for the death of your family members, and were breaking in through your bedroom door which you barricaded as extra protection to keep them out. Suddenly, the door is broken down and the mob starts coming in. Tell me you wouldn't shoot the first person coming in....

In all likelihood, you would have already emptied your gun blindly through the door before they even break into your bedroom.

And if you killed any of them, you'd be facing no charges because it would be a justified shoot.

 

[Faun]

How many protesters were in that one hallway? How many officers were in that one hallway?

From the officers vantage point, it could have been dozens and dozens and dozens. He didn’t ask them for a head count. The officer knew hundreds of violent protestors were inside the Capitol. He knew that people were attacking officers.

So that means he was justified in shooting the one woman?

Really?

Try that at any other police interaction and see where that gets you.

He only had to shoot one person to keep the rest out. Had any others tried to gain access to the House chamber at that point, they too would have been shot.

And that isn't justification for a shooting by officers. "Pour encouragement les autres" is a soviet tactic, but not a viable police use of force explanation.

I didn't say that was justification. That was the result. The justification was protecting the lawmakers in the room behind him.

Which really doesn't justify deadly force against an unarmed woman trying to jump through a window.

So he should have just let her break in?

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

They were already in, there were officers on her side of the barricade, and they didn't shoot anyone.

Your argument about other cops not shooting anyone is spurious. You don't know why they were there and you don't know if they knew there were still lawmakers in that chamber and you don't know if they didn't shoot anyone because the cops on the other side of that door were handling keeping the mob out of the chamber.

And the mob wasn't "already in there." They got as far a the entryway leading into the Speaker's Lobby which leads directly into the House chamber. It was the other side of that entryway which was barricaded with stacked furniture and armed police with guns drawn. Ashli Targetpractice ignored all that and got what she deserved. Poor thing. She once proudly served her nation but then dies a traitor.

it shows they didn't see a lethal threat to themselves.

All the rest is just you masturbating to the death of someone you hate politically, and is fucking sad.

You're an idiot, Marty. Politics have nothing to do with it. Sullivan was standing just a few feet away when that happened. Had he been the one shot while climbing through that broken out window, I'd still be calling it a justified shoot.

And it matter not if those cops didn't feel threatened. They weren't the ones blocking the doors leading into the House chamber. The cops who were, clearly felt an immediate lethal threat as they had their guns drawn.

 

[martybegan]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

Her death is a tragedy that could have been averted a million times before she decided to jump through a window.

I don’t have to justify it, but the facts are that it was almost certainly a rational action given the circumstances.

Actually they have to justify it, that's the whole concept of a "justified use of deadly force"

You getting a hard on over a political enemies death doesn't cut it.

 

[sealybobo]

How many protesters were in that one hallway? How many officers were in that one hallway?

From the officers vantage point, it could have been dozens and dozens and dozens. He didn’t ask them for a head count. The officer knew hundreds of violent protestors were inside the Capitol. He knew that people were attacking officers.

So that means he was justified in shooting the one woman?

Really?

Try that at any other police interaction and see where that gets you.

He only had to shoot one person to keep the rest out. Had any others tried to gain access to the House chamber at that point, they too would have been shot.

And that isn't justification for a shooting by officers. "Pour encouragement les autres" is a soviet tactic, but not a viable police use of force explanation.

I didn't say that was justification. That was the result. The justification was protecting the lawmakers in the room behind him.

Which really doesn't justify deadly force against an unarmed woman trying to jump through a window.

So he should have just let her break in?

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

They were already in, there were officers on her side of the barricade, and they didn't shoot anyone.

Exactly

 

[sealybobo]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

You don’t think that mob was a threat? You don’t think cops and politicians were scared?

Yes there were cops on her side of the barricade. Seems like they were in on the coup.

 

[sealybobo]

How many protesters were in that one hallway? How many officers were in that one hallway?

From the officers vantage point, it could have been dozens and dozens and dozens. He didn’t ask them for a head count. The officer knew hundreds of violent protestors were inside the Capitol. He knew that people were attacking officers.

So that means he was justified in shooting the one woman?

Really?

Try that at any other police interaction and see where that gets you.

He only had to shoot one person to keep the rest out. Had any others tried to gain access to the House chamber at that point, they too would have been shot.

And that isn't justification for a shooting by officers. "Pour encouragement les autres" is a soviet tactic, but not a viable police use of force explanation.

I didn't say that was justification. That was the result. The justification was protecting the lawmakers in the room behind him.

Which really doesn't justify deadly force against an unarmed woman trying to jump through a window.

So he should have just let her break in?

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

They were already in, there were officers on her side of the barricade, and they didn't shoot anyone.

The mobs attitude changed the second it got real.

 

[sealybobo]

That has nothing to do with use of deadly force regulations.

Of course it does. Deadly force is justifiable based on the threat one faces.

It has to be a specific lethal threat or bodily harm threat.

20 black guys robbing a store and one tries to jump out a window towards a cop, the cop can shoot him to make sure the other guys know the cop means business?

No. He shoots the guy because he’s coming at the cop and presents an immediate threat to him.

Unarmed, going through a window is a threat? Coming from a room with far heavier armed police who aren't even aiming their weapons at the other people there?

You are using the "spaghetti on the wall" method of trying to argue this, just throwing things and seeing what sticks.

You talk about not being able to admit when a side is wrong, and you are doing just that right here.

Talk about fucking ignorant.

How was the cop supposed to know she was unarmed? And whether or not she was armed is irrelevant as she was part of a much bigger mob who were making their way through the Capitol, hunting for politicians to murder.

It's amazing how much goalpost moving you do to justify this.

She didn't have a weapon out at all, she could have easily been restrained while in the act of going through the door, and there were other officers there far more heavily armed amongst the crowd that didn't see the need to open fire.

And the more times goes on, the more the "looking for politicians to murder" bullshit gets debunked.

I've moved nothing, ya moron. My position has been solid since the details of her death first emerged.

And nothing's been debunked regarding the potential for murdering politicians. The mob is heard on video, calling to hang the VP.

So far the fire extinguisher hitting the cop who died has been debunked, and now it appears the "plastic handcuff" guy didn't bring them, but found them inside the building.

As for the chanting, I'm sure far more virulent things were chanted at BLM/Anti-fa protests, as well as direct threats at the officers and anyone not part of the protest, but of course you ignore that.

Don’t compare this to blm. Compare it to this

 

[Faun]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

Her death is a tragedy that could have been averted a million times before she decided to jump through a window.

I don’t have to justify it, but the facts are that it was almost certainly a rational action given the circumstances.

Actually they have to justify it, that's the whole concept of a "justified use of deadly force"

You getting a hard on over a political enemies death doesn't cut it.

And he did justify it which is why he's not been charged.

 

[martybegan]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

It's easy to justify. Imagine you're at home with your family. Your family is hiding behind you in a bedroom while you've got your gun trained on the door to that bedroom because a mob of people had broken into your house, could be heard chanting for the death of your family members, and were breaking in through your bedroom door which you barricaded as extra protection to keep them out. Suddenly, the door is broken down and the mob starts coming in. Tell me you wouldn't shoot the first person coming in....

In all likelihood, you would have already emptied your gun blindly through the door before they even break into your bedroom.

And if you killed any of them, you'd be facing no charges because it would be a justified shoot.

Two entirely different situations, and you ignore the fact that in your scenario other police officers would have been mixed in with the "mob"

Every time you try to justify this you have to get more and more retarded doing it.

Also, defense of one's home is a different circumstance than policing, and thus has different rules of use of deadly force.

 

[sealybobo]

How many protesters were in that one hallway? How many officers were in that one hallway?

From the officers vantage point, it could have been dozens and dozens and dozens. He didn’t ask them for a head count. The officer knew hundreds of violent protestors were inside the Capitol. He knew that people were attacking officers.

So that means he was justified in shooting the one woman?

Really?

Try that at any other police interaction and see where that gets you.

He only had to shoot one person to keep the rest out. Had any others tried to gain access to the House chamber at that point, they too would have been shot.

And that isn't justification for a shooting by officers. "Pour encouragement les autres" is a soviet tactic, but not a viable police use of force explanation.

I didn't say that was justification. That was the result. The justification was protecting the lawmakers in the room behind him.

Which really doesn't justify deadly force against an unarmed woman trying to jump through a window.

So he should have just let her break in?

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

They were already in, there were officers on her side of the barricade, and they didn't shoot anyone.

Your argument about other cops not shooting anyone is spurious. You don't know why they were there and you don't know if they knew there were still lawmakers in that chamber and you don't know if they didn't shoot anyone because the cops on the other side of that door were handling keeping the mob out of the chamber.

And the mob wasn't "already in there." They got as far a the entryway leading into the Speaker's Lobby which leads directly into the House chamber. It was the other side of that entryway which was barricaded with stacked furniture and armed police with guns drawn. Ashli Targetpractice ignored all that and got what she deserved. Poor thing. She once proudly served her nation but then dies a traitor.

it shows they didn't see a lethal threat to themselves.

All the rest is just you masturbating to the death of someone you hate politically, and is fucking sad.

You're an idiot, Marty. Politics have nothing to do with it. Sullivan was standing just a few feet away when that happened. Had he been the one shot while climbing through that broken out window, I'd still be calling it a justified shoot.

And it matter not if those cops didn't feel threatened. They weren't the ones blocking the doors leading into the House chamber. The cops who were, clearly felt an immediate lethal threat as they had their guns drawn.

How many times has a cop shot a black man after saying stop three times and the guy didn’t listen? So why is it ok for this stupid white bitch to not listen?

 

[colfax_m]

Actually they have to justify it, that's the whole concept of a "justified use of deadly force"

You getting a hard on over a political enemies death doesn't cut it.

Fair enough, I didn't use the right language.

The use of force is justified by the rational threat to the life and safety of the police and their protectees.

She's not my political enemy. She's a tragedy that is the result of years of indoctrination.

 

[Faun]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

It's easy to justify. Imagine you're at home with your family. Your family is hiding behind you in a bedroom while you've got your gun trained on the door to that bedroom because a mob of people had broken into your house, could be heard chanting for the death of your family members, and were breaking in through your bedroom door which you barricaded as extra protection to keep them out. Suddenly, the door is broken down and the mob starts coming in. Tell me you wouldn't shoot the first person coming in....

In all likelihood, you would have already emptied your gun blindly through the door before they even break into your bedroom.

And if you killed any of them, you'd be facing no charges because it would be a justified shoot.

Two entirely different situations, and you ignore the fact that in your scenario other police officers would have been mixed in with the "mob"

Every time you try to justify this you have to get more and more retarded doing it.

Also, defense of one's home is a different circumstance than policing, and thus has different rules of use of deadly force.

Not entirely different in terms of it being a justified shoot.

 

[martybegan]

That has nothing to do with use of deadly force regulations.

Of course it does. Deadly force is justifiable based on the threat one faces.

It has to be a specific lethal threat or bodily harm threat.

20 black guys robbing a store and one tries to jump out a window towards a cop, the cop can shoot him to make sure the other guys know the cop means business?

No. He shoots the guy because he’s coming at the cop and presents an immediate threat to him.

Unarmed, going through a window is a threat? Coming from a room with far heavier armed police who aren't even aiming their weapons at the other people there?

You are using the "spaghetti on the wall" method of trying to argue this, just throwing things and seeing what sticks.

You talk about not being able to admit when a side is wrong, and you are doing just that right here.

Talk about fucking ignorant.

How was the cop supposed to know she was unarmed? And whether or not she was armed is irrelevant as she was part of a much bigger mob who were making their way through the Capitol, hunting for politicians to murder.

It's amazing how much goalpost moving you do to justify this.

She didn't have a weapon out at all, she could have easily been restrained while in the act of going through the door, and there were other officers there far more heavily armed amongst the crowd that didn't see the need to open fire.

And the more times goes on, the more the "looking for politicians to murder" bullshit gets debunked.

I've moved nothing, ya moron. My position has been solid since the details of her death first emerged.

And nothing's been debunked regarding the potential for murdering politicians. The mob is heard on video, calling to hang the VP.

So far the fire extinguisher hitting the cop who died has been debunked, and now it appears the "plastic handcuff" guy didn't bring them, but found them inside the building.

As for the chanting, I'm sure far more virulent things were chanted at BLM/Anti-fa protests, as well as direct threats at the officers and anyone not part of the protest, but of course you ignore that.

You're an idiot, Marty. The only one claiming Brock found those twist ties is Brock. And that's his defense against charges against him. Meanwhile, he wasn't the only one seen with twist ties and there were surveillance cameras everywhere. If he truly found them, that will likely be proven in court. But even then, that's not to say another insurrectionist that day didn't drop them.

As far as the chanting, it matters not what occurred at any other riots. That's irrelevant to this case and you only mention it to serve as a distraction. It has zero bearing on that mob calling for the death of the VPOTUS while they had the ability to carry that threat out.

So far no evidence has been shown him having them on his way in, and there were cameras fucking everywhere, it's the same issue they are having trying to find the phantom fire extinguisher strike on the dead officer.

It matters that you blow this out of proportion and take literal this chanting will dismissing the others as just rhetoric solely because it fits your narrative.

 

[sealybobo]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

It's easy to justify. Imagine you're at home with your family. Your family is hiding behind you in a bedroom while you've got your gun trained on the door to that bedroom because a mob of people had broken into your house, could be heard chanting for the death of your family members, and were breaking in through your bedroom door which you barricaded as extra protection to keep them out. Suddenly, the door is broken down and the mob starts coming in. Tell me you wouldn't shoot the first person coming in....

In all likelihood, you would have already emptied your gun blindly through the door before they even break into your bedroom.

And if you killed any of them, you'd be facing no charges because it would be a justified shoot.

Two entirely different situations, and you ignore the fact that in your scenario other police officers would have been mixed in with the "mob"

Every time you try to justify this you have to get more and more retarded doing it.

Also, defense of one's home is a different circumstance than policing, and thus has different rules of use of deadly force.

You keep reminding me of this

The police at the capitol were more afraid than this cop was

 

[Faun]

How many protesters were in that one hallway? How many officers were in that one hallway?

From the officers vantage point, it could have been dozens and dozens and dozens. He didn’t ask them for a head count. The officer knew hundreds of violent protestors were inside the Capitol. He knew that people were attacking officers.

So that means he was justified in shooting the one woman?

Really?

Try that at any other police interaction and see where that gets you.

He only had to shoot one person to keep the rest out. Had any others tried to gain access to the House chamber at that point, they too would have been shot.

And that isn't justification for a shooting by officers. "Pour encouragement les autres" is a soviet tactic, but not a viable police use of force explanation.

I didn't say that was justification. That was the result. The justification was protecting the lawmakers in the room behind him.

Which really doesn't justify deadly force against an unarmed woman trying to jump through a window.

So he should have just let her break in?

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

They were already in, there were officers on her side of the barricade, and they didn't shoot anyone.

Your argument about other cops not shooting anyone is spurious. You don't know why they were there and you don't know if they knew there were still lawmakers in that chamber and you don't know if they didn't shoot anyone because the cops on the other side of that door were handling keeping the mob out of the chamber.

And the mob wasn't "already in there." They got as far a the entryway leading into the Speaker's Lobby which leads directly into the House chamber. It was the other side of that entryway which was barricaded with stacked furniture and armed police with guns drawn. Ashli Targetpractice ignored all that and got what she deserved. Poor thing. She once proudly served her nation but then dies a traitor.

it shows they didn't see a lethal threat to themselves.

All the rest is just you masturbating to the death of someone you hate politically, and is fucking sad.

You're an idiot, Marty. Politics have nothing to do with it. Sullivan was standing just a few feet away when that happened. Had he been the one shot while climbing through that broken out window, I'd still be calling it a justified shoot.

And it matter not if those cops didn't feel threatened. They weren't the ones blocking the doors leading into the House chamber. The cops who were, clearly felt an immediate lethal threat as they had their guns drawn.

How many times has a cop shot a black man after saying stop three times and the guy didn’t listen? So why is it ok for this stupid white bitch to not listen?

Because she was a conservative. No other reason.

 

[sealybobo]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

It's easy to justify. Imagine you're at home with your family. Your family is hiding behind you in a bedroom while you've got your gun trained on the door to that bedroom because a mob of people had broken into your house, could be heard chanting for the death of your family members, and were breaking in through your bedroom door which you barricaded as extra protection to keep them out. Suddenly, the door is broken down and the mob starts coming in. Tell me you wouldn't shoot the first person coming in....

In all likelihood, you would have already emptied your gun blindly through the door before they even break into your bedroom.

And if you killed any of them, you'd be facing no charges because it would be a justified shoot.

Two entirely different situations, and you ignore the fact that in your scenario other police officers would have been mixed in with the "mob"

Every time you try to justify this you have to get more and more retarded doing it.

Also, defense of one's home is a different circumstance than policing, and thus has different rules of use of deadly force.

Not entirely different in terms of it being a justified shoot.

If it were black men storming the capitol he’d get it

 

[martybegan]

How many protesters were in that one hallway? How many officers were in that one hallway?

From the officers vantage point, it could have been dozens and dozens and dozens. He didn’t ask them for a head count. The officer knew hundreds of violent protestors were inside the Capitol. He knew that people were attacking officers.

So that means he was justified in shooting the one woman?

Really?

Try that at any other police interaction and see where that gets you.

He only had to shoot one person to keep the rest out. Had any others tried to gain access to the House chamber at that point, they too would have been shot.

And that isn't justification for a shooting by officers. "Pour encouragement les autres" is a soviet tactic, but not a viable police use of force explanation.

I didn't say that was justification. That was the result. The justification was protecting the lawmakers in the room behind him.

Which really doesn't justify deadly force against an unarmed woman trying to jump through a window.

So he should have just let her break in?

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

They were already in, there were officers on her side of the barricade, and they didn't shoot anyone.

Your argument about other cops not shooting anyone is spurious. You don't know why they were there and you don't know if they knew there were still lawmakers in that chamber and you don't know if they didn't shoot anyone because the cops on the other side of that door were handling keeping the mob out of the chamber.

And the mob wasn't "already in there." They got as far a the entryway leading into the Speaker's Lobby which leads directly into the House chamber. It was the other side of that entryway which was barricaded with stacked furniture and armed police with guns drawn. Ashli Targetpractice ignored all that and got what she deserved. Poor thing. She once proudly served her nation but then dies a traitor.

it shows they didn't see a lethal threat to themselves.

All the rest is just you masturbating to the death of someone you hate politically, and is fucking sad.

You're an idiot, Marty. Politics have nothing to do with it. Sullivan was standing just a few feet away when that happened. Had he been the one shot while climbing through that broken out window, I'd still be calling it a justified shoot.

And it matter not if those cops didn't feel threatened. They weren't the ones blocking the doors leading into the House chamber. The cops who were, clearly felt an immediate lethal threat as they had their guns drawn.

Politics has everything to do with it for you, just like every other leftist.

Sorry, but your attempted justifications of this are just sad and pathetic, just like you.

 

[martybegan]

How many protesters were in that one hallway? How many officers were in that one hallway?

From the officers vantage point, it could have been dozens and dozens and dozens. He didn’t ask them for a head count. The officer knew hundreds of violent protestors were inside the Capitol. He knew that people were attacking officers.

So that means he was justified in shooting the one woman?

Really?

Try that at any other police interaction and see where that gets you.

He only had to shoot one person to keep the rest out. Had any others tried to gain access to the House chamber at that point, they too would have been shot.

And that isn't justification for a shooting by officers. "Pour encouragement les autres" is a soviet tactic, but not a viable police use of force explanation.

I didn't say that was justification. That was the result. The justification was protecting the lawmakers in the room behind him.

Which really doesn't justify deadly force against an unarmed woman trying to jump through a window.

So he should have just let her break in?

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

They were already in, there were officers on her side of the barricade, and they didn't shoot anyone.

Exactly
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Wow, one picture with no context, what a fucking hack you are.

 

[martybegan]

So the only two choices were let her proceed or shoot her dead?

It wasn’t necessarily the only choice but it was probably a reasonable one.

A handful of officers were all that stood in between a violent mob and members of Congress whom they have a duty to protect.

This shouldn’t be controversial. If a horde of people were running through the White House and they were breaking into a door outside the Oval Office, no one would question secret service shooting someone.

It's amazing how far you will go to justify this woman dying because you hate her politics and you see her death as a political victory.

Her death is a tragedy that could have been averted a million times before she decided to jump through a window.

I don’t have to justify it, but the facts are that it was almost certainly a rational action given the circumstances.

Actually they have to justify it, that's the whole concept of a "justified use of deadly force"

You getting a hard on over a political enemies death doesn't cut it.

And he did justify it which is why he's not been charged.

Investigation still ongoing, and I have a feeling it hasn't closed out because they know the shoot was bad.