Almost half of Americans work in low paid jobs

[Mac-7]

Thats an interesting idea

But the left is unwilling to give anything in return for amnesty

They are greedy scum.

Amnesty is simply the intelligent thing to do along with a goddamn ID card. As opposed to all your right-wing idiocy ...

Well, you convinced me with your logic. You said it is "intelligent".


What could I possibly say to that?


Mmm, how about, IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT.

the GOP gave them forever to an open invitation to come into this country work pay taxes on homes everything but vote and get driver's licenses I suppose. It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong. it is never going to happen wake up and smell the coffee. So stop kicking the immigration problem down the road and allowing them to keep coming in. And no the wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. Pass amnesty and ID card and enforcement and get this God damn thing over and done with.

It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong.

Illegal entry, employment fraud, identity theft.

Give 'em the boot.

Absolutely

Illegal aliens are fundamentally dishonest

 

[Questioner]

On this, I'd argue just enforce the laws or change them, simple as that. Doesn't have to be complicated.

"Hispanic" shouldn't be an issue here. Sadly, for many it is.

 

[Mac-7]

On this, I'd argue just enforce the laws or change them, simple as that. Doesn't have to be complicated.

I can live with that since the law says if are here illegally they have to go

 

[Questioner]

On this, I'd argue just enforce the laws or change them, simple as that. Doesn't have to be complicated.

I can live with that since the law says if are here illegally they have to go

True, that also means if some want amnesty programs, they will have to implement that.

Ideally, a meritocratic system which ignore race, sex, and things of purely physical or emotional sentiment as much as possible - as far as how that would "work", I wouldn't know.

 

[Mac-7]

On this, I'd argue just enforce the laws or change them, simple as that. Doesn't have to be complicated.

I can live with that since the law says if are here illegally they have to go

True, that also means if some want amnesty programs, they will have to implement that.

Ideally, a meritocratic system which ignore race, sex, and things of purely physical or emotional sentiment as much as possible - as far as how that would "work", I wouldn't know.

The first specific about amnesty should be that the illegal alien if approved may have a green card but NEVER citizenship for as long as they live

 

[MAGAman]

Heres OPs title, made more clear:

Almost half of Americans make less than average wages.

 

[Slyhunter]

Hey! Give us a repeal of birthright citizen ship, "UP FRONT", and we'll give you amnesty is 5 years.


PROMISE!

Thats an interesting idea

But the left is unwilling to give anything in return for amnesty

They are greedy scum.

Amnesty is simply the intelligent thing to do along with a goddamn ID card. As opposed to all your right-wing idiocy ...

Well, you convinced me with your logic. You said it is "intelligent".


What could I possibly say to that?


Mmm, how about, IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT.

the GOP gave them forever to an open invitation to come into this country work pay taxes on homes everything but vote and get driver's licenses I suppose. It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong. it is never going to happen wake up and smell the coffee. So stop kicking the immigration problem down the road and allowing them to keep coming in. And no the wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. Pass amnesty and ID card and enforcement and get this God damn thing over and done with.

How do you stop them from coming in without a wall? Maybe we should line the military up on the border with shoot to kill orders.

 

[Slyhunter]

On this, I'd argue just enforce the laws or change them, simple as that. Doesn't have to be complicated.

I can live with that since the law says if are here illegally they have to go

True, that also means if some want amnesty programs, they will have to implement that.

Ideally, a meritocratic system which ignore race, sex, and things of purely physical or emotional sentiment as much as possible - as far as how that would "work", I wouldn't know.

The first specific about amnesty should be that the illegal alien if approved may have a green card but NEVER citizenship for as long as they live

End birthright citizenship unless birthed by Actual Americans.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How do you stop them from coming in without a wall? Maybe we should line the military up on the border with shoot to kill orders.

Take way their reason for coming.

But, yes we should have our military defending our border, national defense is their purpose.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Heres OPs title, made more clear:

Almost half of Americans make less than average wages.

No, that is not correct.

 

[Dick Foster]

Shows how hollow the Trump economy is

Almost half of Americans work in low-wage jobs

America's unemployment rate is at a half-century low, but it also has a job-quality problem that affects nearly half the population, with a study finding 44% of U.S. workers are employed in low-wage jobs that pay median annual wages of $18,000.

Contrary to popular opinion, these workers aren't teenagers or young adults just starting their careers,

Hey you, dumb ass! For there to be high paying jobs there first has to be low paying jobs. What about basic finance do you understand other than apparently nothing?
Let me guess, you're on the low paying end and likely always will be.

 

[Slyhunter]

How do you stop them from coming in without a wall? Maybe we should line the military up on the border with shoot to kill orders.

Take way their reason for coming.

But, yes we should have our military defending our border, national defense is their purpose.

Because we have it good and they don't, hell no. Shoot them at the border.Make them stay in their own shit holes and fix their own damn problems.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How do you stop them from coming in without a wall? Maybe we should line the military up on the border with shoot to kill orders.

Take way their reason for coming.

But, yes we should have our military defending our border, national defense is their purpose.

Because we have it good and they don't, hell no. Shoot them at the border.Make them stay in their own shit holes and fix their own damn problems.

If you get a chance could you actually respond to what I wrote?

Thanks!

 

[beagle9]

Hey! Give us a repeal of birthright citizen ship, "UP FRONT", and we'll give you amnesty is 5 years.


PROMISE!

Thats an interesting idea

But the left is unwilling to give anything in return for amnesty

They are greedy scum.

Amnesty is simply the intelligent thing to do along with a goddamn ID card. As opposed to all your right-wing idiocy ...

Well, you convinced me with your logic. You said it is "intelligent".


What could I possibly say to that?


Mmm, how about, IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT.

the GOP gave them forever to an open invitation to come into this country work pay taxes on homes everything but vote and get driver's licenses I suppose. It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong. it is never going to happen wake up and smell the coffee. So stop kicking the immigration problem down the road and allowing them to keep coming in. And no the wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. Pass amnesty and ID card and enforcement and get this God damn thing over and done with.

No one is doing the illegals wrong, nor do they want to do any of them wrong, but we mustn't give the exploiters of cheap labor easy access to such a thing as cheap labor. They are the ones doing them wrong, and doing American's wrong in the process.

 

[Flopper]

I agree we don't need more jobs but we do need better jobs with better pay, and better benefits. We have far too many American workers who have to rely on government help to support their families. The problem of course, is that American workers are no longer the most skilled workers in the world and thus it is hard to justify higher pay without higher productivity.

There are good jobs around, but the real problem are the drugs we have in this country. Better jobs usually have drug screening as a condition of employment, and lower paying jobs don't. So people opt to work for less money so they can continue smoking pot.

I had tenants like that a few years ago. It was a young couple. Good kids, paid rent albeit late which I didn't care about. But they both worked fast food jobs because they loved their pot and couldn't give it up for anything. When my employer looks for new employees, the same thing. People are interested in the job, but can't pass a drug test. It's the same story at just about any company. I talk to people from many different industries.

To add insult to injury, states are legalizing pot, but just because it's legal doesn't mean companies don't do drug testing.

Where Pot is legal, most companies drop their zero tolerance and just disregard Pot use. However, they draw the line with hard drugs such cocaine, heroin, and crystal meth. With 34 states allowing medical use, which just requires a form filled out by a doctor and 10 allowing unrestricted use by adults, Pot is fast becoming accepted on the same level as alcohol.

Most people can control the use of Pot, alcohol, tobacco, gambling, etc so it does not interfere with their work. However, some people have addictive personalities and they are very likely to become addicted. Hard drugs are in a different category all together. Continuous use almost guarantees addiction for most people.

And I worry about that.

Let me ask you directly..... do you, yes or no, think that those on pot are as productive as those who are not?

Your question can't be answered yes or no because it depends on the person and the situation. I have a son in Florida who suffered from chronic back pain for several years such that he could not hold down a steady job. His doctor put him on a narcotics which relieved the plain but was leading him into addiction. His doctor suggested he start Marijuana and phase out the narcotic which he was able to do. For several years he used Marijuana to reduce the pain such that he was able to work. Last year he had an operation that fixed his back. He has now almost completed phased out the use Marijuana except for an occasion party or gathering with friends. So in the case of my son, the answer is an absolute yes. It literally saved his life. I have a neighbor that abuses Marijuana, stays high most of time and drifts from job to job. In his case, the answer is no.

It's just like alcohol. Some people can drink moderately their entire life with no real ill effect. For others, it's deadly. Some people are easily addicted and other aren't.

I've seen people who drank sometimes, drank all the time, drank constantly. Never at work, and it had no effect whatsoever on their performance.

Yes there are exceptions to every rule.

However, if you look at an over all view.... do you, yes or not, think that those on pot, over all, are as productive as those who are not?

Every single person I know that is a hard worker, is someone who is clean.

Equally, every single person I know, that barely does jack squat.... is a pot user.

Now I don't know about everyone. There are many the do an average job, and maybe they use pot, I don't know.

But I typically get to know the people who are top tier, because I want those people working with me. I also tend to get to know the people who are garbage, because I have to figure out how to have them removed or fired.

I can think of maybe 5 people off the top of my head, that I guessed, based on the fact they were terrible employees, that they were pot users, and they all were. All of them. Nice thing about pot being legalized most places, is that now the garbage in our society tend to admit it.

Now if people come in and do an average job, and use pot now and then, I don't know. If they are not at the top of the game, or the bottom, I tend to not deal with them.

Now all of this is just my personal experience. So it's possible I'm having the most luck of any person in meeting pot users and non-pot users. It could be. I don't know.

From what I have seen in my family and a number of other people, those that use it to extreme do so for one of two reason:

• Physical, mental, or emotional disorders that causes problems in personal relationships, jobs, and school. There have been a number of studies that show pot does help but there are also studies that show while the drug may solve problems it also creates problems. So it becomes difficult to determine whether poor performance on the job or school is caused by the drug or the underlying problem. Addiction in this group is much higher than recreational users.
• Few recreational users become addicted but are more likely use pot throughout their life.

Looking at drugs that lead to addiction, 6% of people who use alcohol at least once a week, will eventually become addicted. For Marijuana users it's 9%, 15% for cocaine, and 24% for heroin. However, the most likely substance to cause addiction is tobacco. Thirty-three percent reported symptoms of addiction when smoking at a rate of only one day a month, 49 percent by the time they were smoking one day a week, and 70 percent before they became daily smokers.

 

[francoHFW]

Thats an interesting idea

But the left is unwilling to give anything in return for amnesty

They are greedy scum.

Amnesty is simply the intelligent thing to do along with a goddamn ID card. As opposed to all your right-wing idiocy ...

Well, you convinced me with your logic. You said it is "intelligent".


What could I possibly say to that?


Mmm, how about, IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT.

the GOP gave them forever to an open invitation to come into this country work pay taxes on homes everything but vote and get driver's licenses I suppose. It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong. it is never going to happen wake up and smell the coffee. So stop kicking the immigration problem down the road and allowing them to keep coming in. And no the wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. Pass amnesty and ID card and enforcement and get this God damn thing over and done with.

How do you stop them from coming in without a wall? Maybe we should line the military up on the border with shoot to kill orders.

ID card and enforcement so they cannot work. The wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing they can get over it under it around it. Brainwashed idiocy to distract the Chumps of the greedy idiot GOP rich.

 

[Correll]

Hey! Give us a repeal of birthright citizen ship, "UP FRONT", and we'll give you amnesty is 5 years.


PROMISE!

Thats an interesting idea

But the left is unwilling to give anything in return for amnesty

They are greedy scum.

Amnesty is simply the intelligent thing to do along with a goddamn ID card. As opposed to all your right-wing idiocy ...

Well, you convinced me with your logic. You said it is "intelligent".


What could I possibly say to that?


Mmm, how about, IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT.

the GOP gave them forever to an open invitation to come into this country work pay taxes on homes everything but vote and get driver's licenses I suppose. It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong. it is never going to happen wake up and smell the coffee. So stop kicking the immigration problem down the road and allowing them to keep coming in. And no the wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. Pass amnesty and ID card and enforcement and get this God damn thing over and done with.

1. The GOP, did not invite them. THat is you just talking shit.


2. The GOP, does not have the Authority to just ignore the law, so even if they did invite them, that would not justify their being here. You know that, so that is just you talking shit.

3. Deporting people who are here illegally, is completely humane and civilized. It is absurd for you to claim it is not. That is just you talking shit.


4. It might not happen. That is not a reason for me to not demand it of my government, and our leaders. It is only their fucking jobs. You know that, but your pretense otherwise, is just you talking shit.


5. The wall would work, which is why your rich leadership, is so against it. You know that, that is just you talking shit.


6. Passing amnesty and id cards will not end anything. IT will just be a step forward into the turning of this country into a Third World shithole. YOu know that. You are just talking shit.

 

[francoHFW]

Thats an interesting idea

But the left is unwilling to give anything in return for amnesty

They are greedy scum.

Amnesty is simply the intelligent thing to do along with a goddamn ID card. As opposed to all your right-wing idiocy ...

Well, you convinced me with your logic. You said it is "intelligent".


What could I possibly say to that?


Mmm, how about, IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT.

the GOP gave them forever to an open invitation to come into this country work pay taxes on homes everything but vote and get driver's licenses I suppose. It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong. it is never going to happen wake up and smell the coffee. So stop kicking the immigration problem down the road and allowing them to keep coming in. And no the wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. Pass amnesty and ID card and enforcement and get this God damn thing over and done with.

1. The GOP, did not invite them. THat is you just talking shit.


2. The GOP, does not have the Authority to just ignore the law, so even if they did invite them, that would not justify their being here. You know that, so that is just you talking shit.

3. Deporting people who are here illegally, is completely humane and civilized. It is absurd for you to claim it is not. That is just you talking shit.


4. It might not happen. That is not a reason for me to not demand it of my government, and our leaders. It is only their fucking jobs. You know that, but your pretense otherwise, is just you talking shit.


5. The wall would work, which is why your rich leadership, is so against it. You know that, that is just you talking shit.


6. Passing amnesty and id cards will not end anything. IT will just be a step forward into the turning of this country into a Third World shithole. YOu know that. You are just talking shit.

It works in every other modern country that has this problem, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[Correll]

They are greedy scum.

Amnesty is simply the intelligent thing to do along with a goddamn ID card. As opposed to all your right-wing idiocy ...

Well, you convinced me with your logic. You said it is "intelligent".


What could I possibly say to that?


Mmm, how about, IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT.

the GOP gave them forever to an open invitation to come into this country work pay taxes on homes everything but vote and get driver's licenses I suppose. It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong. it is never going to happen wake up and smell the coffee. So stop kicking the immigration problem down the road and allowing them to keep coming in. And no the wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. Pass amnesty and ID card and enforcement and get this God damn thing over and done with.

1. The GOP, did not invite them. THat is you just talking shit.


2. The GOP, does not have the Authority to just ignore the law, so even if they did invite them, that would not justify their being here. You know that, so that is just you talking shit.

3. Deporting people who are here illegally, is completely humane and civilized. It is absurd for you to claim it is not. That is just you talking shit.


4. It might not happen. That is not a reason for me to not demand it of my government, and our leaders. It is only their fucking jobs. You know that, but your pretense otherwise, is just you talking shit.


5. The wall would work, which is why your rich leadership, is so against it. You know that, that is just you talking shit.


6. Passing amnesty and id cards will not end anything. IT will just be a step forward into the turning of this country into a Third World shithole. YOu know that. You are just talking shit.

It works in every other modern country that has this problem, brainwashed functional moron.

Cool the way you just dropped all your other points.


Give me your best example of another "modern country" that used amnesty to "works" this problem.

 

[francoHFW]

Thats an interesting idea

But the left is unwilling to give anything in return for amnesty

They are greedy scum.

Amnesty is simply the intelligent thing to do along with a goddamn ID card. As opposed to all your right-wing idiocy ...

Well, you convinced me with your logic. You said it is "intelligent".


What could I possibly say to that?


Mmm, how about, IT IS NOT INTELLIGENT.

the GOP gave them forever to an open invitation to come into this country work pay taxes on homes everything but vote and get driver's licenses I suppose. It is totally inhumane and uncivilized to throw out hard-working illegals who have done nothing wrong. it is never going to happen wake up and smell the coffee. So stop kicking the immigration problem down the road and allowing them to keep coming in. And no the wall is stupid and won't do a damn thing. Pass amnesty and ID card and enforcement and get this God damn thing over and done with.

No one is doing the illegals wrong, nor do they want to do any of them wrong, but we mustn't give the exploiters of cheap labor easy access to such a thing as cheap labor. They are the ones doing them wrong, and doing American's wrong in the process.

whatever you can go on forever with all this crap. Pass the goddamn 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with an ID card and end this ridiculous GOP scam forever. Just like every other modern country that has this problem. You're a bunch of brainwashed functional morons who only care about a ridiculously expensive un American wall that will do nothing.