Amend Florida's 'stand your ground' law, says lawyer for Markeis McGlockton's family

[MacTheKnife]

Saw a man draw a gun on an unarmed man who backed away

Saw a man lining up to finish the attack. As did law enforcement investigators.

He was shot square in the chest, not in the back running away.

The attack was finished when the gun was drawn
The black man was backing away

That is just your opinion. More than likely what finished the attack was the black dude getting shot.

Know one knows nor will now ever know what the black aggressor would do next. He very well may --due to his proven violent nature(arrested before for assault) have been thinking about kicking the white dude in the head while he had him down on the ground. No one knows. The white guy said he was in fear of his life and with good reason. Thus he was not charged, and will not be charged as his actions were all lawful.

Meanwhile, the funeral for the black aggressor is being planned. Most should have learned from the trayvonista affair...apparantly many did not.

If the white guy had not defended his life with deadly force....his family could have been the ones preparing for a funeral.

Too bad your guy is dead. I doubt many care. Violent thugs disappearing from the face of this earth is applauded by all law abiding folks.

 

[OODA_Loop]

While the guy in this case, Michael Drejka, got knocked on his ass for accosting a woman but an unsettling amount of people thinks that justifies him killing the guy who knocked him down. Unless I'm reading the statute incorrectly Drejka's situation also was a simple battery.

There was no accosting - not even contact. If you watch the video he stays a full arm's length from her in the car at all times. He asked her if she an ADA permit and she went ballistic on him. Its why the cops pressed no charges or even made an arrest.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Saw a man draw a gun on an unarmed man who backed away

Saw a man lining up to finish the attack. As did law enforcement investigators.

He was shot square in the chest, not in the back running away.

The attack was finished when the gun was drawn
The black man was backing away

Not according to investigators....fleeing means back turned. Its why there was no arrest or charges.

The investigators did a thorough investigation. And you are correct.....no arrest, no charges. Case closed.

 

[MacTheKnife]

While the guy in this case, Michael Drejka, got knocked on his ass for accosting a woman but an unsettling amount of people thinks that justifies him killing the guy who knocked him down. Unless I'm reading the statute incorrectly Drejka's situation also was a simple battery.

There was no accosting - not even contact. If you watch the video he stays a full arm's length from her in the car at all times. He asked her if she an ADA permit and she went ballistic on him. Its why the cops pressed no charges or even made an arrest.

I figured as much. Thanks for the info.

 

[OODA_Loop]

It would depend on the totality of all of the factors, but I can just about guarantee you that no one would feel that I had the right to shoot a "man" for the "simple" offense of touching me without my consent - the law says this is simple assault/battery meaning it doesn't rise to the level of the forcible felony required to use lethal force.

That is just it. Florida relies on your feelings at the time and totality of the circumstances if you reasonably fear harm or death.

 

[MacTheKnife]

It would depend on the totality of all of the factors, but I can just about guarantee you that no one would feel that I had the right to shoot a "man" for the "simple" offense of touching me without my consent - the law says this is simple assault/battery meaning it doesn't rise to the level of the forcible felony required to use lethal force.

That is just it. Florida relies on your feelings at the time and totality of the circumstances if you reasonably fear harm or death.

Florida like most states has a law of self defense that says one must be in reasonable fear of your life to use deadly force. What 'reasonable' means is that it must be considered reasonable by the investigators or the courts if it goes to trial. Since in this case the investigation revealed that the shooter had a reasonable fear of his life there was no arrest and there will be no trial. case closed

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

the law assumes that the person defending himself is using deadly force in good faith, and the burden rests with the state to demonstrate otherwise.

Yeah so they can do what they want, lie and say 'I was in fear for my life" when most anyone else might have been pissed about being knocked down and may even want to fight but not be in actual fear for their life yet no one ever even looks at the case to see if what the shooter states matchs the evidence.

I will never forget watching Zimmerman being "coached" by the two detectives who were assigned to take his statement and investigate the shooting. They were telling him where the holes in his story were and how to fill them. There are known scientific tools you can use to analyze the probability of whether a person is telling the truth or not. In so many of these cases it seem likes the authorities don't care whether the suspect's story makes sense.

Dispite whatever knowledge you may think you have you are either attempting to deceive or you do not kinow what you are talking about. George Zimmerman has never been convicted of any crime. He was involved in the community...helped black kids and volunteered to protect his community. Before the incident he supported Obama and was a democrat. I do not know all the details regarding the Judge
Bloom case....but when someone decides to steal something they should be aware the outcome may not be something they want.

Anyhow, it is a poor case you cite to explain the stand your ground law. Lastly--statistics prove that most gun owners are law abiding and honorable members of society.

Most gun owners abide law

You are letting your bias show.

And what bias you do think you're seeing? I didn't cite Blooms case as an example of the stand your ground law, I cited it as an example of how stupid some of the people making life and death and personal freedom decisions for others are. Bloom is a federal judge and she doesn't understand the difference between advancing one's position and standing one's ground. She doesn't seem to have a very good grasp of the definition of self-defense either. You and 2A Guy are attempting to chastise me for pointing out some of the flaws in our system and wanting someone to do something about them. And while I know that most CCW holders are law abiding citizens, most doesn't mean all.

And as far as Zimmerman is concerned he is a depraved individual with a history of violence especially towards women. When he told an interviewer that even knowing now what they didn't know the night of the shooting - that Martin was 17 and unarmed and was where he had permission to be, that he still would have taken the exact same course of action and said it was God's plan that Martin died that night. That's the FL CCW holder you are defending

ALECexposed: George Zimmerman's Criminal History Includes Alleged Violence and Temper (Audio and New Documents)
....
On July 16, 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for felony resisting arrest "with violence" and with "battery" of a law enforcement officer, according to the sworn affidavit filed in the case.

The officer, Paul Fleischman, in the summary of his complaint said that Zimmerman interfered with an arrest of an Orlando bar employee who had been handcuffed and sitting on a curb awaiting transport to county jail. The Division of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms officer said Zimmerman was "obstructing justice."

Zimmerman's Response to a Police Request to Walk Away: "Fuck You"
When the undercover officer showed Zimmerman his badge and asked him to step away, Zimmerman reportedly said, "I don't care who you are." When the officer asked him again to leave, Zimmerman reportedly said, "Fuck you."

The officer stated that when he "attempted to escort Zimmerman away from the interview area, he shrugged away from me, and then pushed my arms away with his hands. After a short struggle with Zimmerman he was placed in handcuffs and detained" for transportation to jail.

The officer said several law enforcement officers witnessed the fight, and that Zimmerman "refused medical treatment." (Zimmerman was also identified as a white male in the affidavit.) His bond was set at $1,000.

Zimmerman was initially charged with a felony in county court and in the process of plea negotiations the case was transferred to a lower court and he was then charged with misdemeanor resisting arrest and pleaded not guilty. Later that year he was accepted into a "pre-trial diversion" program that would allow the charges to be dismissed or not prosecuted ("nolle prosequi").

Zimmerman Given "Special Condition" -- "Anger Management" Classes
The court imposed a "special condition" on Zimmerman: that he complete an "Anger Management" class and write an apology to the officer. (Later, however, when Zimmerman applied to a criminal justice program, he claimed the police officer supposedly never said he was a police officer and that Zimmerman was trying to protect his friend from the officer who had arrested the friend.)

The program also required Zimmerman not to violate any other laws and to be under court supervision for six months for $300 in fees, but he sought an extension to complete its 40 hours of required community service, along with a potential fee of $100 for the extension.

While out on Bond for Assault, More Violence by Zimmerman Alleged
In the meantime, on August 8, 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, petitioned for an order of "protection against domestic violence" by him. At the time, Zuazo was living in Orlando and Zimmerman was living in an apartment in Lake Mary, Florida, after they had stopped living together and broken up.

Zimmerman Hung Out Near Ex's House and Reportedly Insisted on Staying There
According to Zuazo's petition, on her way home that night around 10:30 pm, she spotted Zimmerman's car near her home and called him on the phone to ask why he was there. According to Zuazo, Zimmerman replied that he was "checking on me."

She said he asked if he could come in and talk. She said she agreed they could talk for a "little bit," and he stayed for an hour. When she told Zimmerman he had to go home, she said he "insisted on staying."

Zimmerman "Got Upset" When Asked to Leave, said Ex, and "Pushed" Her
When she told him he could not stay, Zuazo said Zimmerman "got upset" and demanded some photos and papers.

When she said she would find them tomorrow and drop them off, Zuazo said Zimmerman "got more upset." She said he also grabbed her cell phone and tried to leave with it. She said she stood in front of the door and asked for it back.

She said Zimmerman then told her the phone was not hers and then "pushed" her.

She said she told him "not to touch me" and to give it back, and she said it then "became a pushing match." She said she got the cell phone from him and they continued pushing each other as she tried to push him out of the door of her home.

In the midst of this fight, she said her dog jumped up and marred his cheek by biting at it. She said the dog's response to his fighting with her "freaked me out" and she reiterated her demand that he leave.

She said she then ran up the stairs, and locked the door and called 9-1-1 on her phone. She said that as he walked out the door he yelled, "I can't believe you'd do this to me."

When the police came, she says they recommended she file for an injunction to protect herself from him the next day.

She did; on August 9, 2005, Zuazo requested a temporary restraining order.

Ex Alleged Other Acts of Violence by Zimmerman
In her request for an order of protection against Zimmerman, his ex detailed other times she says Zimmerman acted violently and that she had reported them to the Orlando Police Department.

She said there was a previous violent incident when he was upset because she got home late and then he started "sexually groping me." When she objected she said he said he could treat her that way because "I was his woman." She said when she "asked him to leave me alone," he picked her up and threw her on the bed. She said when she got up to leave "he grabbed" her and threw her down again. She admitted she smacked him in response and then he left.

She said that another time he had "smacked my mouth" with an open hand during an argument in the car on their way back from a counseling session. She said she decided to stay at a friend's house that night.

Court Issued Domestic Violence Injunction against Zimmerman
On August 9 of that year, a court granted her restraining order against Zimmerman. That injunction barred him from contacting her or hurting her and from possessing a firearm while the order was in effect.

Zimmerman Responded to Domestic Violence Injunction by Claiming Ex Attacked
The next day, on August 10, Zimmerman filed a petition asking the court to protect him from his ex-girlfriend, Zuazo. In that petition, he acknowledged that she had already sought a restraining order against him. That is, he did not call 9-1-1 as she did immediately following the violent fight and he did not report any claim of violence the following day, as she did. He pursued an order only after a court ordered him to stay away from her. In his petition, he lists the name of his criminal defense attorney in the case involving the violent incident with a law enforcement officer as his counsel.

Zimmerman Claimed He Was just in Ex-Girlfriend's Neighborhood, not Watching
In his petition, Zimmerman claimed that on August 8 he was dropping a friend off when Zuazo called to ask what he was doing on her "side" of town. He says she asked him if he "wanted to spend the night."

In his statement, he says he "proceeded to her house" and watched TV. He said he told her he "was not interested in spending the night" because he had an interview the next morning. He claims his ex accused him of wanting to leave to see another woman or go party.

Zimmerman Blamed Ex-Girlfriend for Starting Fight
According to Zimmerman, "we started arguing and she started to get upset and violent."

He said he told her he "wanted nothing more to do with her" and asked for any belongings that remained at her house. He said she refused and said she would give them to him in the morning, the only point of agreement in their two versions of events.

Zimmerman claims he then said he would not stay the night and would be leaving with what he called his cell phone that she had been using. He said he had allowed her to use it "as insurance" "to receive valuable paperwork that she had in her possession," like loan documents.

He said when he headed to the door to leave Zuazo slapped him and said he was not leaving. He said he told her she was losing control and that she responded by saying, "Fine, f-ing leave then."

However, then he claims she "physically assaulted me about the face and upper chest, at one point trying to choke" him. He said he then gave her the phone.

He said she then threatened to call the police and "put me away forever" based on the pending charge of assaulting a law enforcement officer. He then claimed that he went to a friend's house and "cleaned up the blood, patched my eye, and iced my bruises." He did not seek medical treatment.

When Zimmerman filed his counter-claim against her restraining order, he included a photo of scratches on his cheek he claimed she caused; she had claimed her dog had jumped on him and caused that. The abrasions on his cheek in the photo could have been caused by a dog's teeth or paws or by nails or by a woman's fingernails.

Zimmerman Claimed Ex Was Aggressor and Attacked Him Previously
In his petition, Zimmerman also claimed that previously Zuazo had been upset that he had gone to a concert without her and then hit him in the face and with a baseball bat. He claimed that when he locked her out of the house during that argument, she beat on the door and then vandalized his car with a pair of scissors. There is no indication that he sought medical treatment for the alleged bat attack or called the police that night claiming she was a vandal.

Court Issued Injunction Barring Zimmerman and Ex from Contact
On August 24, a Florida court issued two final judgments on the petitions that enjoined Zimmerman and his ex from contact with each other for a year and barred them both from possessing firearms during the year the injunction was in force.

Criminal Case against Zimmerman Later Dismissed
The domestic violence case appears to have had no effect on Zimmerman's case for battering a law enforcement officer. He ultimately completed the requirements of the criminal diversion program, and in the summer of 2006 the state of Florida dismissed the case under the "nolle prosequi" provision of the program.

These records about violent acts Zimmerman is alleged to have committed took place a few years ago and there appear to have been no other charges against him until he killed Trayvon Martin last year.​

 

[rightwinger]

Saw a man draw a gun on an unarmed man who backed away

Saw a man lining up to finish the attack. As did law enforcement investigators.

He was shot square in the chest, not in the back running away.

The attack was finished when the gun was drawn
The black man was backing away

That is just your opinion. Know one knows nor will now ever know what the black aggressor would do next. He very well may --due to his proven violent nature(arrested before for assault) have been thinking about kicking the white dude in the head while he had him down on the ground. No one knows. The white guy said he was in fear of his life and with good reason. Thus he was not charged, and will not be charged as his actions were all lawful.

Meanwhile, the funeral for the black aggressor is being planned. Most should have learned from the trayvonista affair...apparantly many did not.

If the white guy had not defended his life with deadly force....his family could have been the ones preparing for a funeral.

Too bad your guy is dead. I doubt many care. Violent thugs disappearing from the face of this earth is applauded by all law abiding folks.

We know what is on the tape
He was backing away
We know he was unarmed

The white guy was the aggressor at that time
The violent thug had the gun

 

[rightwinger]

the law assumes that the person defending himself is using deadly force in good faith, and the burden rests with the state to demonstrate otherwise.

Yeah so they can do what they want, lie and say 'I was in fear for my life" when most anyone else might have been pissed about being knocked down and may even want to fight but not be in actual fear for their life yet no one ever even looks at the case to see if what the shooter states matchs the evidence.

I will never forget watching Zimmerman being "coached" by the two detectives who were assigned to take his statement and investigate the shooting. They were telling him where the holes in his story were and how to fill them. There are known scientific tools you can use to analyze the probability of whether a person is telling the truth or not. In so many of these cases it seem likes the authorities don't care whether the suspect's story makes sense.

Dispite whatever knowledge you may think you have you are either attempting to deceive or you do not kinow what you are talking about. George Zimmerman has never been convicted of any crime. He was involved in the community...helped black kids and volunteered to protect his community. Before the incident he supported Obama and was a democrat. I do not know all the details regarding the Judge
Bloom case....but when someone decides to steal something they should be aware the outcome may not be something they want.

Anyhow, it is a poor case you cite to explain the stand your ground law. Lastly--statistics prove that most gun owners are law abiding and honorable members of society.

Most gun owners abide law

You are letting your bias show.

And what bias you do think you're seeing? I didn't cite Blooms case as an example of the stand your ground law, I cited it as an example of how stupid some of the people making life and death and personal freedom decisions for others are. Bloom is a federal judge and she doesn't understand the difference between advancing one's position and standing one's ground. She doesn't seem to have a very good grasp of the definition of self-defense either. You and 2A Guy are attempting to chastise me for pointing out some of the flaws in our system and wanting someone to do something about them. And while I know that most CCW holders are law abiding citizens, most doesn't mean all.

And as far as Zimmerman is concerned he is a depraved individual with a history of violence especially towards women. When he told an interviewer that even knowing now what they didn't know the night of the shooting - that Martin was 17 and unarmed and was where he had permission to be, that he still would have taken the exact same course of action and said it was God's plan that Martin died that night. That's the FL CCW holder you are defending

ALECexposed: George Zimmerman's Criminal History Includes Alleged Violence and Temper (Audio and New Documents)
....
On July 16, 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for felony resisting arrest "with violence" and with "battery" of a law enforcement officer, according to the sworn affidavit filed in the case.

The officer, Paul Fleischman, in the summary of his complaint said that Zimmerman interfered with an arrest of an Orlando bar employee who had been handcuffed and sitting on a curb awaiting transport to county jail. The Division of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms officer said Zimmerman was "obstructing justice."

Zimmerman's Response to a Police Request to Walk Away: "Fuck You"
When the undercover officer showed Zimmerman his badge and asked him to step away, Zimmerman reportedly said, "I don't care who you are." When the officer asked him again to leave, Zimmerman reportedly said, "Fuck you."

The officer stated that when he "attempted to escort Zimmerman away from the interview area, he shrugged away from me, and then pushed my arms away with his hands. After a short struggle with Zimmerman he was placed in handcuffs and detained" for transportation to jail.

The officer said several law enforcement officers witnessed the fight, and that Zimmerman "refused medical treatment." (Zimmerman was also identified as a white male in the affidavit.) His bond was set at $1,000.

Zimmerman was initially charged with a felony in county court and in the process of plea negotiations the case was transferred to a lower court and he was then charged with misdemeanor resisting arrest and pleaded not guilty. Later that year he was accepted into a "pre-trial diversion" program that would allow the charges to be dismissed or not prosecuted ("nolle prosequi").

Zimmerman Given "Special Condition" -- "Anger Management" Classes
The court imposed a "special condition" on Zimmerman: that he complete an "Anger Management" class and write an apology to the officer. (Later, however, when Zimmerman applied to a criminal justice program, he claimed the police officer supposedly never said he was a police officer and that Zimmerman was trying to protect his friend from the officer who had arrested the friend.)

The program also required Zimmerman not to violate any other laws and to be under court supervision for six months for $300 in fees, but he sought an extension to complete its 40 hours of required community service, along with a potential fee of $100 for the extension.

While out on Bond for Assault, More Violence by Zimmerman Alleged
In the meantime, on August 8, 2005, Zimmerman's ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, petitioned for an order of "protection against domestic violence" by him. At the time, Zuazo was living in Orlando and Zimmerman was living in an apartment in Lake Mary, Florida, after they had stopped living together and broken up.

Zimmerman Hung Out Near Ex's House and Reportedly Insisted on Staying There
According to Zuazo's petition, on her way home that night around 10:30 pm, she spotted Zimmerman's car near her home and called him on the phone to ask why he was there. According to Zuazo, Zimmerman replied that he was "checking on me."

She said he asked if he could come in and talk. She said she agreed they could talk for a "little bit," and he stayed for an hour. When she told Zimmerman he had to go home, she said he "insisted on staying."

Zimmerman "Got Upset" When Asked to Leave, said Ex, and "Pushed" Her
When she told him he could not stay, Zuazo said Zimmerman "got upset" and demanded some photos and papers.

When she said she would find them tomorrow and drop them off, Zuazo said Zimmerman "got more upset." She said he also grabbed her cell phone and tried to leave with it. She said she stood in front of the door and asked for it back.

She said Zimmerman then told her the phone was not hers and then "pushed" her.

She said she told him "not to touch me" and to give it back, and she said it then "became a pushing match." She said she got the cell phone from him and they continued pushing each other as she tried to push him out of the door of her home.

In the midst of this fight, she said her dog jumped up and marred his cheek by biting at it. She said the dog's response to his fighting with her "freaked me out" and she reiterated her demand that he leave.

She said she then ran up the stairs, and locked the door and called 9-1-1 on her phone. She said that as he walked out the door he yelled, "I can't believe you'd do this to me."

When the police came, she says they recommended she file for an injunction to protect herself from him the next day.

She did; on August 9, 2005, Zuazo requested a temporary restraining order.

Ex Alleged Other Acts of Violence by Zimmerman
In her request for an order of protection against Zimmerman, his ex detailed other times she says Zimmerman acted violently and that she had reported them to the Orlando Police Department.

She said there was a previous violent incident when he was upset because she got home late and then he started "sexually groping me." When she objected she said he said he could treat her that way because "I was his woman." She said when she "asked him to leave me alone," he picked her up and threw her on the bed. She said when she got up to leave "he grabbed" her and threw her down again. She admitted she smacked him in response and then he left.

She said that another time he had "smacked my mouth" with an open hand during an argument in the car on their way back from a counseling session. She said she decided to stay at a friend's house that night.

Court Issued Domestic Violence Injunction against Zimmerman
On August 9 of that year, a court granted her restraining order against Zimmerman. That injunction barred him from contacting her or hurting her and from possessing a firearm while the order was in effect.

Zimmerman Responded to Domestic Violence Injunction by Claiming Ex Attacked
The next day, on August 10, Zimmerman filed a petition asking the court to protect him from his ex-girlfriend, Zuazo. In that petition, he acknowledged that she had already sought a restraining order against him. That is, he did not call 9-1-1 as she did immediately following the violent fight and he did not report any claim of violence the following day, as she did. He pursued an order only after a court ordered him to stay away from her. In his petition, he lists the name of his criminal defense attorney in the case involving the violent incident with a law enforcement officer as his counsel.

Zimmerman Claimed He Was just in Ex-Girlfriend's Neighborhood, not Watching
In his petition, Zimmerman claimed that on August 8 he was dropping a friend off when Zuazo called to ask what he was doing on her "side" of town. He says she asked him if he "wanted to spend the night."

In his statement, he says he "proceeded to her house" and watched TV. He said he told her he "was not interested in spending the night" because he had an interview the next morning. He claims his ex accused him of wanting to leave to see another woman or go party.

Zimmerman Blamed Ex-Girlfriend for Starting Fight
According to Zimmerman, "we started arguing and she started to get upset and violent."

He said he told her he "wanted nothing more to do with her" and asked for any belongings that remained at her house. He said she refused and said she would give them to him in the morning, the only point of agreement in their two versions of events.

Zimmerman claims he then said he would not stay the night and would be leaving with what he called his cell phone that she had been using. He said he had allowed her to use it "as insurance" "to receive valuable paperwork that she had in her possession," like loan documents.

He said when he headed to the door to leave Zuazo slapped him and said he was not leaving. He said he told her she was losing control and that she responded by saying, "Fine, f-ing leave then."

However, then he claims she "physically assaulted me about the face and upper chest, at one point trying to choke" him. He said he then gave her the phone.

He said she then threatened to call the police and "put me away forever" based on the pending charge of assaulting a law enforcement officer. He then claimed that he went to a friend's house and "cleaned up the blood, patched my eye, and iced my bruises." He did not seek medical treatment.

When Zimmerman filed his counter-claim against her restraining order, he included a photo of scratches on his cheek he claimed she caused; she had claimed her dog had jumped on him and caused that. The abrasions on his cheek in the photo could have been caused by a dog's teeth or paws or by nails or by a woman's fingernails.

Zimmerman Claimed Ex Was Aggressor and Attacked Him Previously
In his petition, Zimmerman also claimed that previously Zuazo had been upset that he had gone to a concert without her and then hit him in the face and with a baseball bat. He claimed that when he locked her out of the house during that argument, she beat on the door and then vandalized his car with a pair of scissors. There is no indication that he sought medical treatment for the alleged bat attack or called the police that night claiming she was a vandal.

Court Issued Injunction Barring Zimmerman and Ex from Contact
On August 24, a Florida court issued two final judgments on the petitions that enjoined Zimmerman and his ex from contact with each other for a year and barred them both from possessing firearms during the year the injunction was in force.

Criminal Case against Zimmerman Later Dismissed
The domestic violence case appears to have had no effect on Zimmerman's case for battering a law enforcement officer. He ultimately completed the requirements of the criminal diversion program, and in the summer of 2006 the state of Florida dismissed the case under the "nolle prosequi" provision of the program.

These records about violent acts Zimmerman is alleged to have committed took place a few years ago and there appear to have been no other charges against him until he killed Trayvon Martin last year.​

tl;dr

 

[MacTheKnife]

It appears the media is failing to get much traction in their rather feeble effort to make this into another trayvon affair. Even though the shyster lawyer from the trayvon event is here trying his best to get some publicity. What a piece of crap that guy is. Last I heard he took most of the trayvon familys money and what he didnt take the old man blew at local casinoes. They had got a rather big sum from the apt. complex who paid up to quick thinking Z would be found guilty and they would be liable.

 

[rightwinger]

Saw a man draw a gun on an unarmed man who backed away

Saw a man lining up to finish the attack. As did law enforcement investigators.

He was shot square in the chest, not in the back running away.

The attack was finished when the gun was drawn
The black man was backing away

Not according to investigators....fleeing means back turned. Its why there was no arrest or charges.

That is ridiculous

 

[OODA_Loop]

Yeah so they can do what they want, lie and say 'I was in fear for my life" when most anyone else might have been pissed about being knocked down and may even want to fight but not be in actual fear for their life yet no one ever even looks at the case to see if what the shooter states matchs the evidence.

Let that one marinate for minute.

 

[OODA_Loop]

That is ridiculous

If you have ever been in a fight you know when your opponent is stepping back to line you up and when they are fleeing.

If you haven't been in such situation you really can not comment from any frame of experience - just feelings.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Saw a man draw a gun on an unarmed man who backed away

Saw a man lining up to finish the attack. As did law enforcement investigators.

He was shot square in the chest, not in the back running away.

The attack was finished when the gun was drawn
The black man was backing away

That is just your opinion. Know one knows nor will now ever know what the black aggressor would do next. He very well may --due to his proven violent nature(arrested before for assault) have been thinking about kicking the white dude in the head while he had him down on the ground. No one knows. The white guy said he was in fear of his life and with good reason. Thus he was not charged, and will not be charged as his actions were all lawful.

Meanwhile, the funeral for the black aggressor is being planned. Most should have learned from the trayvonista affair...apparantly many did not.

If the white guy had not defended his life with deadly force....his family could have been the ones preparing for a funeral.

Too bad your guy is dead. I doubt many care. Violent thugs disappearing from the face of this earth is applauded by all law abiding folks.

We know what is on the tape
He was backing away
We know he was unarmed

The white guy was the aggressor at that time
The violent thug had the gun

What is on the tape is open to interpetation....especially the part where he took a step backward no doubt in regards to suddenly seeing a pistol in his face. Unfortunately for him the white guy most likely did not see that small backwards step which is irrelevant anyhow ....as in one can take a backward step and then lunge forward. What the black dude should have done was raise his hands and say please, please do not shoot. Either that or took off running. Taking a backward step was of no help to him at all. Also...being unarmed is irrelevant...many peeps have been beaten or stomped to death. You simply have a huge lack of knowledge of the law and how it is applied.

 

[saveliberty]

This wouldn't be happening if Pam Bondi filed charges.

Personally, I don't think that was a righteous shooting.

Why not? Granted it was a short clip of an incident, but I saw an assault by the party that was later shot. I also saw a second party approach him just before the shot. That was about as self defense as it gets.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Nonsense ....your comments are highly prejudicial. It is shown by statistics that blacks though a minority in this nation kill more white folks than whites kill black. Blacks are fortunate that most whites do not know that. But they are waking up.

Can you explain how and why it wasn't until the year 2017 that the first white person was executed in the state of Florida for the murder of a black person? How is that possible when hundreds of black people where lynched there?
Florida Lynched More Black People Per Capita Than Any Other State, According to Report

 

[MacTheKnife]

That is ridiculous

If you have ever been in a fight you know when your opponent is stepping back to line you up and when they are fleeing.

If you haven't been in such situation you really can not comment from any frame of experience - just feelings.

I agree absolutely. The guy whose life was in danger had to make the decision. It is easy to second guess these cases with a 20/20 hindsight. But in order to properly understand this event you have to place yourself in the position of the white dude. He had to make a decision very,very quickly or perhaps have his life taken from him or suffer grievious bodily harm. You can tell by looking at him he is not agile, it even appears he might be handicapped by his awkward stance and the difficulty he has getting up off the ground...certainly not very capable of defending himself...he is fortunate he had a 'equalizer' in his pocket.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Crump was never the sharpest knife in the drawer. I have no idea how he passed the bar.

Under what circumstances an aggressor can claim self defense is first year criminal law stuff.

Stand your ground means might makes right

Once a fight starts, you can use your gun to resolve it

And..... Are you going to pull that "real men use their fist" bullshit.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Nonsense ....your comments are highly prejudicial. It is shown by statistics that blacks though a minority in this nation kill more white folks than whites kill black. Blacks are fortunate that most whites do not know that. But they are waking up.

Can you explain how and why it wasn't until the year 2017 that the first white person was executed in the state of Florida for the murder of a black person? How is that possible when hundreds of black people where lynched there?
Florida Lynched More Black People Per Capita Than Any Other State, According to Report

Well, no doubt the primary factor for lynching was that blacks committed so many horrendous crimes especially rapes. Say what you will about vigilante justice: the crime rate was much lower in those days and one could walk down any street in America day or night without fear.

 

[beagle9]

Letting the shooter off the hook without even a full investigation or possible charges of manslaughter being brought, is what challenges our laws that are used inappropriately to justify such a thing.

Is this little parking lot stalker worth it in the end ??

His life is as valuable as anyone’s!

He must not think so when going around starting crap, and especially with someone's girlfriend while her kids was in the car... I know, I know, but whose dead and whose still alive right, and in that lay the justification for it huh ?? Don't try to defend the indefensible, because if I were a bettin man, I'd be willing to lay money down on the fact that most in the country can see the wrong in this situation.

Remember it was a push, but the guy didn't advance him any further, otherwise to take advantage of the cat in his vulnerable state while on the ground. But the one on the ground had time to slowly collect himself draw his weapon, and then took the shot as the victim was in retreat when saw that weapon.