America is not the greatest country...

[Socialist]

I could get protection from any country with a military....

Give it a try, big mouth.

If you want to keep personally gouging, please, continue.

 

[BlackSand]

So if you dont think America is the best country in the world, you are free to pack your Birkenstocks and your Che T-Shirt and hop on the next plane to whatever socialist shithole workers paradise you think is much better than living here.

Sorry to interject here .. But I just had to.




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[BlackSand]

I always hear people praising America for being "the best country in the world" and lots of other bullshit, time to look at some facts:

Healthcare:
The United states is, essentially, the only industrialized country without universal healthcare..
The US "spends" about this much on healthcare per citizen, with laughable results (It's approaching 10k now..)

Millions lack insurance, drugs are expensive as hell, people's lives are ruined if they get cancer, and don't have fancy for profit insurance.
The united states lacks in many areas regarding healthcare:

Let's look at life expectancy:
We rank 34: Global Health Observatory Data Repository
(Cuba is above us) yet, we still spend a MASSIVE amount on healthcare per citizen, with laughable results, as said above.

Education:
The united states education system is underfunded, teachers are underpaid, and a host of other problems are present... especially when it comes to the rising cost of higher education and the lack of access to cheap, affordable higher education. The united states government needs to directly support higher education like many other countries, not simply hand out loans and grants... Obama's community college idea is a great start.
College tuition in the United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

We are, by no measure, #1 at education results, but we are #1 in student debt..

Military:
If there's one thing the united states is #1 at, it's the military. I fail to see how this an achievement when millions lack healthcare, when the infrastructure is falling apart, when child poverty is on the rise, when veterans are homeless by the thousands, but yeah, let's look at the reality:
This is all that needs to be said.. if a nation wants to focus more on funding new weapon research projects and imperialist ventures then giving healthcare to its own citizens, there is a problem.

Corporate profits:
It's no surprise that corporate profits are at an all time high in the united states, and they are rising, I fail to see how this is a good thing when wages are stagnant, with a shrinking middle class, with millions being thrown into poverty.. Then again, the corporations love the government and the government loves the corporations..
Corporate Profits After Tax without IVA and CCAdj - FRED - St. Louis Fed

Wages:

Wages in the united states have been stagnant for decades, and compared to the rising cost of living and productivity, are not rising like they should..

Now, we come to a horrifying fact to relate to this.. affording a two bedroom rental unit..

Overworked America 12 Charts That Will Make Your Blood Boil Mother Jones - Must see.

Homelessness:
Global Homelessness Statistics - Homeless World Cup
National Coalition for Homeless Veterans
Time to piss some people off:
"Well, there is one more way in which Cuba differs from most other poor countries in the world—the tiny island nation has virtually no homeless people. There are many reasons for that accomplishment. First, although housing is not free in Cuba, the government does take steps to keep the cost of housing low. That leads to a high rate of homeownership—around 85%. By way of comparison, the Census Bureau says the rate of homeownership in the United States was 66.9% in 2010."

Paid vacation:
Surprise! America is one of a few countries that does not guarantee paid vacation to workers...

"Nearly a quarter of the American private-sector workforce, some 26 million workers, doesn’t get paid time off, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics — compared with less than one-fifth in the 1990s.The United States is the only advanced economy that doesn’t guarantee paid vacation and one of only 13 countries in the world not to do so, according to the World Policy Analysis Center at the University of California Los Angeles."
"In this regard, the United States falls in line with India, Nepal, Pakistan, Sierra Leone, and a handful of island nations that don’t require employers to offer workers paid time off. France, on the other hand, mandates 30 paid vacation days a year for all workers; Scandinavian countries offer 25. US citizens in Puerto Rico get three weeks off a year.

Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Greece, and Sweden even require employers to pay vacationing workers extra to help with expenses."

Maternity leave:
Many on the right wing consistently talk about "family values" I'd call letting a mother spend time with her child for long periods of time while not having to worry about not getting her wages a family value, not trying to restrict gay marriage or end abortion...

Prison/income inequality/well being/etc..

I have so much more to add, but I think this is enough.. Time to realize america needs to become more "progressive"

Oh ... And the OP just reminded me of this one ...



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[Socialist]

So if you dont think America is the best country in the world, you are free to pack your Birkenstocks and your Che T-Shirt and hop on the next plane to whatever socialist shithole workers paradise you think is much better than living here.

Sorry to interject here .. But I just had to.




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More meangingless nonsense, I find it funny how no one wants to actually address the facts in the OP.

 

[BlackSand]

More meangingless nonsense, I find it funny how no one wants to actually address the facts in the OP.

Hey ... You can post all the meaningless nonsense you want ... Doesn't mean anyone has to take you seriously ... Lighten up sticky britches.

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[Socialist]

More meangingless nonsense, I find it funny how no one wants to actually address the facts in the OP.

Hey ... You can post all the meaningless nonsense you want ... Doesn't mean anyone has to take you seriously ... Lighten up sticky britches.

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I've posted factual information that you clearly don't want to bother addressing. It's pathetic.

 

[Unkotare]

You do realize we have mass starvation under capitalism? ...

Where and when on anything remotely like the scale of death that mao and stalin brought about?

If we use the same standards used by those who blame every single death in the famine period directly on stalin/mao, let's see what we arrive at..

1. Hunger and World Poverty. About 21,000 people die every day of hunger or hunger-related causes...

In which country, specifically?

 

[Unkotare]

I know this isn't a honest method to determine deaths and blame them on capitalism...

But you tried it anyway.

 

[Unkotare]

go back to dissing immigrants.

I've never done that, you lying sack of crap.

I figured I'd start throwing out some lies....

And you got called on it.

 

[Votto]

... people like you are the reason we can't have political discussions....

You want to believe that "have political discussions" means clapping politely while you prance around in your lefty dress trying to impress yourself. Too fucking bad.

I'm not trying to impress myself, what would lead you to that conclusion? I don't enjoy personally attacking the poster, attack the information, find its flaws, something you don't seem able to do.

Do you think socialist Nazi Germany was the greatest country on earth?

After all, they had the most Progressive tax code in the world, taxing the top 4% at higher levels than anyone.

Hitler rounded up all the guns for himself.

They were environmentalists and were the first to create national park reserves and protect endanger species and protect animals from scientific experimentation. Hell, Hitler loves animals so much he was a vegetarian.

The Nazi regime had the best nanny state in the world. In fact, the German people had a higher standard of living than their Ally counterparts. What they would do is take gold from Jews, and the ship them off to death camps to help pay for it all. Then their troops would ravage countries they conquered and send their plunder back home by the train loads. Then they would create a currency in these countries to inflate their economies into oblivion. And lastly, they would tell the leaders of these conquered countries to round up the Jews and take their gold to help stabilize their economies.

It worked like a charm.

Of course it wasn't, but your argumentation is pathetic. Sure, nazi germany did some things right, but your argument essentially says we should not bother with progressive taxes or anything else because nazi germany did them. That is weak.

What I'm suggesting is that Nazi Germany was the Prog model that we follow today.

Economists today worship at the foot of the socialist economist Keynes. Before the war broke out, Keynes was impressed with Hitler and said he proved all of his economic theories before being published. Keynes even noted that his theories work best under a dictatorship and that free economies were unworkable in comparison.

Hitler amassed so much debt that he was almost forced into war or face economic ruin. He was essentially burning all their bridges so that they would be forced into war. In 1938, Hitler forbad the government from even passing a budget for fear of criticism of running such large deficits. Sound familiar?

Hitler once said that there was no need to take over industry. He said why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?

This is exactly the models we see today.

Essentially, Hitler bought off a war weary populace steeped in genocide. Now lets compare this with today. Are we not war weary? Are we not continually lured back to the same political figures and political families like the Clintons and Bush families with promises of economic perks and entitlements?

As far as genocide goes, there have been about 50 million unborn children murdered, all in the name of economic convenience, much like the Jews were rounded up as their wealth was stripped from them. And like the fetus is viewed as a parasite today, the Jew was not human either. They were like vermin.

 

[Socialist]

I know this isn't a honest method to determine deaths and blame them on capitalism...

But you tried it anyway.

You did the same
I'm using the standard of those who determine the deaths under mao/stalin. LOL.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm sorry, but other countries have elections that aren't funded by super pacs, billionaires..
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Yeah, they're funded and controlled by the same people in power already. Europe abandoned even the pretense of democracy years ago.

Seriously? Name one european country with a more fucked up political system.

V clav Klaus warns that the destruction of Europe s democracy may be in its final phase - Telegraph

 

[Socialist]

... people like you are the reason we can't have political discussions....

You want to believe that "have political discussions" means clapping politely while you prance around in your lefty dress trying to impress yourself. Too fucking bad.

I'm not trying to impress myself, what would lead you to that conclusion? I don't enjoy personally attacking the poster, attack the information, find its flaws, something you don't seem able to do.

Do you think socialist Nazi Germany was the greatest country on earth?

After all, they had the most Progressive tax code in the world, taxing the top 4% at higher levels than anyone.

They were environmentalists and were the first to create national park reserves and protect endanger species and protect animals from scientific experimentation. Hell, Hitler loves animals so much he was a vegetarian.

The Nazi regime had the best nanny state in the world. In fact, the German people had a higher standard of living than their Ally counterparts. What they would do is take gold from Jews, and the ship them off to death camps to help pay for it all. Then their troops would ravage countries they conquered and send their plunder back home by the train loads. Then they would create a currency in these countries to inflate their economies into oblivion. And lastly, they would tell the leaders of these conquered countries to round up the Jews and take their gold to help stabilize their economies.

It worked like a charm.

Of course it wasn't, but your argumentation is pathetic. Sure, nazi germany did some things right, but your argument essentially says we should not bother with progressive taxes or anything else because nazi germany did them. That is weak.

What I'm suggesting is that Nazi Germany was the Prog model that we follow today.

Economists today worship at the foot of the socialist economist Keynes. Before the war broke out, Keynes was impressed with Hitler and said he proved all of his economic theories before being published. Keynes even noted that his theories work best under a dictatorship and that free economies were unworkable in comparison.

Hitler amassed so much debt that he was almost forced into war or face economic ruin. He was essentially burning all their bridges so that they would be forced into war. In 1938, Hitler forbad the government from even passing a budge for fear of criticism of running such large deficits. Sound familiar?

Hitler once said that there was no need to take over industry. He said why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?

This is exactly the models we see today.

Essentially, Hitler bought off a war weary populace steeped in genocide. Now lets compare this with today. Are we not war weary? Are we not continually lured back to the same political figures and political families like the Clintons and Bush families with promises of economic perks and entitlements?

As far as genocide goes, there have been about 50 million unborn children murdered, all in the name of economic convenience, much like the Jews were rounded up as their wealth was stripped from them. And like the fetus is viewed as a parasite today, the Jew was not human either. They were like vermin.

Then you're a moron. Despite the fact that the majority of industrialized countries allow abortion, progressive taxes, welfare.. I guess they're all secretly nazi's. Jesus, people like you are.. nutty.

 

[BlackSand]

I've posted factual information that you clearly don't want to bother addressing. It's pathetic.

Uh-Huh ... You posted a lot of stuff alright ... And I did address it ... Just not necessarily the way you wanted me to.
This is America ... Where freedom comes with responsibility ... Your responsibility to do what you need to do in order to succeed in life ... Not to the freedom to decide what everyone else is going to do.


I am not really sure we agree on who the pathetic one is either ... But hey, there is always tomorrow.

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[Socialist]

I'm sorry, but other countries have elections that aren't funded by super pacs, billionaires..
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Yeah, they're funded and controlled by the same people in power already. Europe abandoned even the pretense of democracy years ago.

Seriously? Name one european country with a more fucked up political system.

V clav Klaus warns that the destruction of Europe s democracy may be in its final phase - Telegraph

"The new push for a European Union federation, complete with its own head of state and army, is the "final phase" of the destruction of democracy and the nation state, the president of the Czech Republic has warned."
2012, european democracy still existing, fear mongering hogwash.

 

[Socialist]

I've posted factual information that you clearly don't want to bother addressing. It's pathetic.

Uh-Huh ... You posted a lot of stuff alright ... And I did address it ... Just not necessarily the way you wanted me to.
This is America ... Where freedom comes with responsibility ... Your responsibility to do what you need to do in order to succeed in life ... Not to the freedom to decide what everyone else is going to do.


I am not really sure we agree on who the pathetic one is either ... But hey, there is always tomorrow.

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You didn't address any of it, you simply posted meaningless rhetoric. Yes, yes, "freedom" how do you define freedom? Is a man free if he has to work 3 minimum wage jobs to scrape by enough to provide for his family? I'd call that wage slavery, but none the less.. I keep hearing the "responsibility" line. I assume you're using this to reference universal healthcare, maternity leave, etc.. Almost every other industrialized country provides these things, unfortunately, people like you will never grow up.

 

[BlackSand]

You didn't address any of it, you simply posted meaningless rhetoric. Yes, yes, "freedom" how do you define freedom? Is a man free if he has to work 3 minimum wage jobs to scrape by enough to provide for his family? I'd call that wage slavery, but none the less.. I keep hearing the "responsibility" line. I assume you're using this to reference universal healthcare, maternity leave, etc.. Almost every other industrialized country provides these things, unfortunately, people like you will never grow up.

No ... You posted meaningless rhetoric any half-baked shill could come up with.
I mean face it ... You should have taken a clue from Rabbi on page one.
Your graphics ... Your shtick ... Your editorial commentary ... We have seen them all before.

If a man is not free by his own standards (whatever they may be) ... Then he has the responsibility to improve his condition.
I don't give a damn what you assume ... Nor what the other countries are doing ... They all have problems and many of them are associated with the same old tired worn out crud you are trying to dump on us ... And they know it.

And ... Last but not least ... I am grown up enough I don't have to beg my neighbors to pay my bills, I earn enough money to support my needs and desires, could pay for my healthcare cost out of pocket if I had to and won't get knocked up until I can handle that as well ... Don't give me your silly version of what you think is grown up, because I don't care what it is.

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[Socialist]

You didn't address any of it, you simply posted meaningless rhetoric. Yes, yes, "freedom" how do you define freedom? Is a man free if he has to work 3 minimum wage jobs to scrape by enough to provide for his family? I'd call that wage slavery, but none the less.. I keep hearing the "responsibility" line. I assume you're using this to reference universal healthcare, maternity leave, etc.. Almost every other industrialized country provides these things, unfortunately, people like you will never grow up.

No ... You posted meaningless rhetoric any half-baked shill could come up with.
I mean face it ... You should have taken a clue from Rabbi on page one.
Your graphics ... Your shtick ... Your editorial commentary ... We have seen them all before.

If a man is not free by his own standards (whatever they may be) ... Then he has the responsibility to improve his condition.
I don't give a damn what you assume ... Nor what the other countries are doing ... They all have problems and many of them are associated with the same old tired old worn out crud you are trying to dump on us ... And they know it.

And ... Last but not least ... I am grown up enough I don't have to beg my neighbors to pay my bills, I earn enough money to support my needs and desires, could pay for my healthcare cost out of pocket if I had to and won't get knocked up until I can handle that as well ... Don't give me your silly version of what you think is grown up, because I don't care what it is.

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Seriously? That's the best you have? You do realize my entire OP is factual information that you can fact check on your own. Every country has problems, but tell me, how much debt is britain/canada/denmark etc in? How many unemployed people do they have? What's the cost of healthcare? You follow the idea that people need to be pushed into wage slavery to scrape up enough for braces, to that I say, fuck you. Congratulations, you earn enough money, and can afford healthcare if it pops up, tell that to the millions without insurance and those whose lives would be ruined financially if they got a severe illness.

 

[BlackSand]

Seriously? That's the best you have? You do realize my entire OP is factual information that you can fact check on your own. Every country has problems, but tell me, how much debt is britain/canada/denmark etc in? How many unemployed people do they have? What's the cost of healthcare? You follow the idea that people need to be pushed into wage slavery to scrape up enough for braces, to that I say, fuck you. Congratulations, you earn enough money, and can afford healthcare if it pops up, tell that to the millions without insurance and those whose lives would be ruined financially if they got a severe illness.

Technically ... I didn't argue with your OP ... I just posted something along the lines of the fact it reminded me of a baby crapping his diaper.
Now do I need to explain that to you ... Again?

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[Socialist]

Seriously? That's the best you have? You do realize my entire OP is factual information that you can fact check on your own. Every country has problems, but tell me, how much debt is britain/canada/denmark etc in? How many unemployed people do they have? What's the cost of healthcare? You follow the idea that people need to be pushed into wage slavery to scrape up enough for braces, to that I say, fuck you. Congratulations, you earn enough money, and can afford healthcare if it pops up, tell that to the millions without insurance and those whose lives would be ruined financially if they got a severe illness.

Technically ... I didn't argue with your OP ... I just posted something along the lines of the fact it reminded me of a baby crapping his diaper.
Now do I need to explain that to you ... Again?

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Facts don't exist in your world, I understand now.