flacaltenn
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- Jun 9, 2011
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Did you ever stop to think the two choices you have are the two choices they want you to have? The only other option you have that would even allow your approach would be a military take over.The problem you have here is the cause may well have set the effect in motion here. The emails pissed somebody off. Don't know where or who but they are out there.We have been driven and prepared for this sh#t storm for the last eight years. It is the natural conclusion to the "grooming" we have undergone.The country needs a mediation team to detoxify the political environment. To separate the rapidly descending childish fights. pranks, gaffs and hissy fits and put the rabid partisans in "time out". I would say 4 years with a leadership team that will FOCUS ALL Americans on the issues and not on the side show.
The intervention is not only for the partisans, it is also for the media, who seem to thrive on baiting, trolling, and polarizing the public with tantalizing scandals and gaffes. Each one more outrageous than the previous.
Where are we going? We're headed straight to partisan HELL if either of the Dem/Rep candidates win. That would be like hitting the accelerator, when we should be braking and slowing down the inevitable meltdown. This is actually a National Leadership crisis. America just does not know it yet.
We are facing a ClinTrump victory that would seal America's demise as a "great country" -- regardless of the rhetoric. Because EITHER candidate is MORTALLY flawed, completely arrogant, unpredictable, and LARGELY disliked and not trusted.
What kind of mediation team would defuse the situation? A team like Johnson/Weld. Get America desensitized to partisan cross-blaming. Refuse to use the words :" they hit me first". Step into the middle of fights with a calm 3rd voice that solves problems --- not throw fuel on the fire. Two experienced "moderate" Governors that are ASKING for your vote -- not EXPECTING it. A team that only wants to see AMERICA win.
Four years of that would restore some calm to the shit storm we wake up to everyday now. Expecting both candidates to WIN or eventually go down in flames. And at the end of those four years -- you are welcome to start the brawl all over again. AFTER the intervention shows the love and respect that is DUE to this cherished process.
I don't see how a vote for anybody is going to quell this. Thanks to Wiki we know elections can and more importantly HAVE been fixed. That not only throws a cloud over this election but all future elections.
The seed of doubt is always stronger then fact but as in this case the seed of doubt is rooted in FACT making it that much more harmful. Does refusing to point the finger of blame help when the burden of proof is met? No, no it does not. And the refusal to do so may bring cause to some to harm others.
That is the part you want to mediate as soon as possible. That task is daunting however when the side who is caught red handed does little to nothing to mediate it. That is where the real failing is and can ignite the feeling of need for retribution.
Because when you get down to it you are talking one little guy VS the "elite" and even when the elite are caught they not only walk away but laugh about it. That is a taunt. The crime committed may piss the person off but the taunt lights the fuse.
Right now I think we have a chance at 50/50 at best. 50% somewhat peaceful and 50% chance of the most violent post election violence in history. And with the seed of doubt rooted in fact? Not good in a "civilized" country.
Citing the fact that side #1 "gets caught redhanded" and still "the burden of proof is not met". THAT is the problem. Because as part of that interaction, all the similar instances of side #2 are cited as precedent. With that cross-blaming -- you can only go LOWER into deception and unaccountability.
Put in a "mediation team" -- let them appoint and AG and Dir FBI that are NOT raving partisans and VOILA ..
You have an instant Independent Counsel for EVERY issue that is presented to them. And they report not to a highly partisan Presidential team, but to a team that will NEVER accept the excuse "that the other side did this before".
Every one of these slippery slope deals ends up in a National 1 to 1 stalemate. With the party in power winning the case. That's what a mediation team DOES. It breaks the stalemate between TWO warring parties, it solves problems without the built up biases and hate.
Those five cops in Dallas died as a reaction to a death in an entirely different part of the nation. In this case I feel the only way to lessen the chance of violence is if the main player recuses her self from the running.
And given the ego involved that is simply not going to happen. Thus the possible future is cast in stone.
It's OK.. That's what this intervention is all about. You just illustrated the cross-blaming. Never got beyond "what the other side did". Didn't consider how to FIX anything. Just driven by hate of the other side.
Put America in Time-out. What happened in the past won't dictate what we do in the future.
A LOT of folks are not sit gonna idly by and watch you 2 warring tribes destroy yourselves and America. Time to give it up. Put it in trust for a bit. Ain't gonna be any worse than electing EITHER of those arrogant lunatics and continuing the Epic struggle to the death. Give the parties time to re-design themselves. WITHOUT the emphasis being on winning power..
Not understanding that. There are 3 choices on the ballot. Only ONE offers a break from the partisan poo-flinging. OF COURSE the 2 corporate parties fucked up. They crossed their fingers and hoped you duped party animals would vote for them anyway. Folks like you would say "Hey, the only other choice is a military coupe"..
ONE of the 3 is ASKING for your vote. The other 2 --- EXPECT your vote. That's the difference.