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“Obedience to specific court orders is what keeps us from being a banana republic or fascist dictatorship. That’s a really big deal.”
It took little more than a week in office for President Donald Trump to thrust the nation to the brink of a constitutional crisis.
Late Friday, Trump issued an executive order forbidding millions of refugees, hundreds of thousands of visitors and 500,000 legal immigrants from seven majority-Muslim countries from entering the United States. Over the following 48 hours, massive protests erupted in cities and airports nationwide, courts temporarily blocked major parts of the order, the administration defied the courts and Democrats called for an investigation into the administration’s defiance. As the weekend drew to a close, an anonymous White House official proclaimed the whole episode a “massive success story.”
The federal courts thought otherwise. On Saturday night, a judge in Brooklynordered the Trump administration to stop deporting refugees and visitors immigration authorities had previously cleared to enter the country. Two judges in Massachusetts ordered that travelers who were legally authorized to be in the United States shouldn’t be detained at or deported from Logan International Airportfor a period of seven days. A judge in Seattle halted the deportation of two travelers. And a judge in Virginia issued an order requiring the administration to allow lawyers access to lawful permanent residents — also known as green card holders — whom Customs and Border Protection agents had detained at Dulles International Airport on Trump’s instructions.
When federal judges rule, government officials — up to and including the president — are supposed to obey or risk being held in contempt of court. A government that ignored the courts would be able to violate the law and the Constitution at will. So for more than two centuries, the nation’s courts have had the last word on what’s legal and constitutional — and what is not. “We are and will remain in compliance with judicial orders,” the Department of Homeland Securitysaid in a statement Sunday evening.
But there was little indication that the Trump administration has fully complied with the court orders — or that Trump’s inner circle even believed the administration had to do so.
Disobeying a court order “is a big deal for any government official — federal, state, local, executive, legislative, whatever,” said Abner Greene, a law professor at Fordham University. “Obedience to specific court orders is what keeps us from being a banana republic or fascist dictatorship. That’s a really big deal.”
The chaos “doesn’t just risk a constitutional crisis,” argued Michael Dorf, a professor at Cornell Law School. “Assuming the report is accurate, it creates one.” If the Trump administration believes that the court orders limiting the president’s executive order are unlawful, it can file an emergency appeal, Dorf noted. But “outright defiance,” he added, “can only be deemed disrespect for the rule of law.”
More: It Took Donald Trump 8 Days To Bring The U.S. To The Brink Of A Constitutional Crisis
Trump obviously believes that he is above the law. He must be quickly and clearly shown that he isn't.
I'm sure many people are openly and silently pondering his impeachment.
RWs on this board will never admit they were wrong about Trump. The time they come close it will be too late for it to even matter.
Like when Holder was held in contempt for refusing to turn over documents in the Fast and Furious scandal? That kind of above the law?
Stop making shit up.
Eric Holder won't be held in contempt over 'Fast and Furious
Making shit up is your forte...not mine:
Yeah, dumbass, but it was dismissed. Get to the bottom line and stop your NaziCon fake news bullshit. Oh, and stop trolling this thread.
We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't. If Trump doesn't obey the laws - why should we?
America On The Brink: It Took Trump 8 Days To Bring The U.S. To The Brink Of A Constitutional Crisis
The usual hysterical ranting from the usual crybabies.
Will these people EVER get over finding out that normal Americans reject their agenda and ideology?
Your foul language suggests you are a Trump follower.Quit changing the subject.We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't. If Trump doesn't obey the laws - why should we?
You weren't worried about your dear leader ignoring the law and Constitution, hell his DOJ lied to judges and his attorney general was held in contempt of congress, that didn't phase you hypocrites a bit. That makes you nothing but a partisan hack with absolutely no proof that Trump has violated anything.
Quit being a fucking hypocrite.
Quit changing the subject.We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't. If Trump doesn't obey the laws - why should we?
You weren't worried about your dear leader ignoring the law and Constitution, hell his DOJ lied to judges and his attorney general was held in contempt of congress, that didn't phase you hypocrites a bit. That makes you nothing but a partisan hack with absolutely no proof that Trump has violated anything.
Quit changing the subject.We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't. If Trump doesn't obey the laws - why should we?
You weren't worried about your dear leader ignoring the law and Constitution, hell his DOJ lied to judges and his attorney general was held in contempt of congress, that didn't phase you hypocrites a bit. That makes you nothing but a partisan hack with absolutely no proof that Trump has violated anything.
The law specifically states that it is the CONGRESS aka the Legislative branch of Government that is WHOLLY in charge of immigration in this country. Presidential powers do not extend BEYOND refugees.
Immigration
So Trump is in violation of the U.S. Constitution by usurping the constitutional authority of CONGRESS. He did NOT have the constitutional authority to issue a ban.
All past Presidents have conferred with the U.S. Attorney general before making decisions like this. Because it is the Attorney General of this country that advises the Presidents on which actions they can take and which ones they can't. Instead, Comrade Trump FIRED her for her refusal to break the law, and she advised all DOJ personal to NOT DEFEND his executive order because it was unlawful.
You have elected a fucking lunatic loose cannon, that doesn't know jack shit, and will not seek the advice from others that do. Trump should be impeached for this. Trump took an oath to protect & defend the U.S. Constitution, and he's already broken that oath.
Trump is creating chaos, as I predicted after I first heard him speak, because, instead of the Congress passing legislation, he is ruling by strokes of the pen. The Constitution of the United States does not envisage a government by issuing Executive Orders (EOs) or diktat. No-one needs a lesson in middle school social studies American Government to remind them of the three branches of government, I hope.When will Trump be impeached?
See Post # 69 for an explanation of your error.Quit changing the subject.We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't. If Trump doesn't obey the laws - why should we?
You weren't worried about your dear leader ignoring the law and Constitution, hell his DOJ lied to judges and his attorney general was held in contempt of congress, that didn't phase you hypocrites a bit. That makes you nothing but a partisan hack with absolutely no proof that Trump has violated anything.
The law specifically states that it is the CONGRESS aka the Legislative branch of Government that is WHOLLY in charge of immigration in this country. Presidential powers do not extend BEYOND refugees.
Immigration
So Trump is in violation of the U.S. Constitution by usurping the constitutional authority of CONGRESS. He did NOT have the constitutional authority to issue a ban.
All past Presidents have conferred with the U.S. Attorney general before making decisions like this. Because it is the Attorney General of this country that advises the Presidents on which actions they can take and which ones they can't. Instead, Comrade Trump FIRED her for her refusal to break the law, and she advised all DOJ personal to NOT DEFEND his executive order because it was unlawful.
You have elected a fucking lunatic loose cannon, that doesn't know jack shit, and will not seek the advice from others that do. Trump should be impeached for this. Trump took an oath to protect & defend the U.S. Constitution, and he's already broken that oath.
First it's not a ban and he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him.
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Sucks to be so wrong so often, doesn't it?
“Obedience to specific court orders is what keeps us from being a banana republic or fascist dictatorship. That’s a really big deal.”
It took little more than a week in office for President Donald Trump to thrust the nation to the brink of a constitutional crisis.
Late Friday, Trump issued an executive order forbidding millions of refugees, hundreds of thousands of visitors and 500,000 legal immigrants from seven majority-Muslim countries from entering the United States. Over the following 48 hours, massive protests erupted in cities and airports nationwide, courts temporarily blocked major parts of the order, the administration defied the courts and Democrats called for an investigation into the administration’s defiance. As the weekend drew to a close, an anonymous White House official proclaimed the whole episode a “massive success story.”
The federal courts thought otherwise. On Saturday night, a judge in Brooklynordered the Trump administration to stop deporting refugees and visitors immigration authorities had previously cleared to enter the country. Two judges in Massachusetts ordered that travelers who were legally authorized to be in the United States shouldn’t be detained at or deported from Logan International Airportfor a period of seven days. A judge in Seattle halted the deportation of two travelers. And a judge in Virginia issued an order requiring the administration to allow lawyers access to lawful permanent residents — also known as green card holders — whom Customs and Border Protection agents had detained at Dulles International Airport on Trump’s instructions.
When federal judges rule, government officials — up to and including the president — are supposed to obey or risk being held in contempt of court. A government that ignored the courts would be able to violate the law and the Constitution at will. So for more than two centuries, the nation’s courts have had the last word on what’s legal and constitutional — and what is not. “We are and will remain in compliance with judicial orders,” the Department of Homeland Securitysaid in a statement Sunday evening.
But there was little indication that the Trump administration has fully complied with the court orders — or that Trump’s inner circle even believed the administration had to do so.
Disobeying a court order “is a big deal for any government official — federal, state, local, executive, legislative, whatever,” said Abner Greene, a law professor at Fordham University. “Obedience to specific court orders is what keeps us from being a banana republic or fascist dictatorship. That’s a really big deal.”
The chaos “doesn’t just risk a constitutional crisis,” argued Michael Dorf, a professor at Cornell Law School. “Assuming the report is accurate, it creates one.” If the Trump administration believes that the court orders limiting the president’s executive order are unlawful, it can file an emergency appeal, Dorf noted. But “outright defiance,” he added, “can only be deemed disrespect for the rule of law.”
More: It Took Donald Trump 8 Days To Bring The U.S. To The Brink Of A Constitutional Crisis
Trump obviously believes that he is above the law. He must be quickly and clearly shown that he isn't.
See Post # 69 for an explanation of your error.Quit changing the subject.We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't. If Trump doesn't obey the laws - why should we?
You weren't worried about your dear leader ignoring the law and Constitution, hell his DOJ lied to judges and his attorney general was held in contempt of congress, that didn't phase you hypocrites a bit. That makes you nothing but a partisan hack with absolutely no proof that Trump has violated anything.
The law specifically states that it is the CONGRESS aka the Legislative branch of Government that is WHOLLY in charge of immigration in this country. Presidential powers do not extend BEYOND refugees.
Immigration
So Trump is in violation of the U.S. Constitution by usurping the constitutional authority of CONGRESS. He did NOT have the constitutional authority to issue a ban.
All past Presidents have conferred with the U.S. Attorney general before making decisions like this. Because it is the Attorney General of this country that advises the Presidents on which actions they can take and which ones they can't. Instead, Comrade Trump FIRED her for her refusal to break the law, and she advised all DOJ personal to NOT DEFEND his executive order because it was unlawful.
You have elected a fucking lunatic loose cannon, that doesn't know jack shit, and will not seek the advice from others that do. Trump should be impeached for this. Trump took an oath to protect & defend the U.S. Constitution, and he's already broken that oath.
First it's not a ban and he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him.
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Sucks to be so wrong so often, doesn't it?
There is no Left in the USA.Actually the Left can whine and protest all they want, it will only get worse for them from here. Trump won the election and he is keeping his campaign promises. This is not like the "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, and everyone will save about $2,500 a year on healthcare premiums" lies. The MSM is trying to make moutains out of molehills and Trump's supporters aren't biting. The Left can whine all day and all night and the voters will still support Trump. We've been seeing this shit for two years now, constantly....
See Post # 69 for an explanation of your error.Quit changing the subject.We are either a nation of laws - or we aren't. If Trump doesn't obey the laws - why should we?
You weren't worried about your dear leader ignoring the law and Constitution, hell his DOJ lied to judges and his attorney general was held in contempt of congress, that didn't phase you hypocrites a bit. That makes you nothing but a partisan hack with absolutely no proof that Trump has violated anything.
The law specifically states that it is the CONGRESS aka the Legislative branch of Government that is WHOLLY in charge of immigration in this country. Presidential powers do not extend BEYOND refugees.
Immigration
So Trump is in violation of the U.S. Constitution by usurping the constitutional authority of CONGRESS. He did NOT have the constitutional authority to issue a ban.
All past Presidents have conferred with the U.S. Attorney general before making decisions like this. Because it is the Attorney General of this country that advises the Presidents on which actions they can take and which ones they can't. Instead, Comrade Trump FIRED her for her refusal to break the law, and she advised all DOJ personal to NOT DEFEND his executive order because it was unlawful.
You have elected a fucking lunatic loose cannon, that doesn't know jack shit, and will not seek the advice from others that do. Trump should be impeached for this. Trump took an oath to protect & defend the U.S. Constitution, and he's already broken that oath.
First it's not a ban and he does have the authority when congress delegates the powers to him.
View attachment 109731
Sucks to be so wrong so often, doesn't it?
There is no Left in the USA.Actually the Left can whine and protest all they want, it will only get worse for them from here. Trump won the election and he is keeping his campaign promises. This is not like the "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, and everyone will save about $2,500 a year on healthcare premiums" lies. The MSM is trying to make moutains out of molehills and Trump's supporters aren't biting. The Left can whine all day and all night and the voters will still support Trump. We've been seeing this shit for two years now, constantly....
