Americans have had over 200 years to prove democracy can work, but...

[cnm]

However yes, there's a problem with democracy, especially the FPTP system the US currently has. The solution is to change to Proportional Representation.

That would help to make representation more representative, which is the soul of representative democracy. Other measures that would be required are to increase the number of representatives per capita and to remove the Electoral College and the Senate.

Good luck with any of that.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Yep, it only made us rise to the most powerful planet on earth. Democracy sucks.

This post sums up the leftist’s understanding of our representative republic quite nicely.

 

[gipper]

Except that it is totally wrong and absolutelly stupid nonsense to call the USA a military dictatorship.

Not really for those of us informed.

 

[zaangalewa]

The US Has Been at war 225 out of 243 years since 1776

The American history of overt and covert foreign interventions dates back to 1811, when it had invaded Chile, just a year after this South American country had gained independence from...

www.thenews.com.pk

We Germans often say "US-Americans don't know what is war". Reason: Your wars are in very most cases kindergarten games for you. On the other side did we "teach" the Russians what is war. And they started now again a war on Europe. So it looks like to know what war really is helps not really. Looks like the resistance against incessant propaganda and mendacious appeals is not very high and brainwash the most normal situation in the world.

 

[cnm]

This post sums up the leftist’s understanding of our representative republic quite nicely.

While that post of yours encapsulates your ignorance of dictionaries.

Democracy is a system of government in which people choose their rulers by voting for them in elections.​

[...]​

Synonyms: self-government, republic, commonwealth, autonomy​

 

[zaangalewa]

Not really for those of us informed.

... of you desinformed from yourselve. ... Or are you a Russian?

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

While that post of yours encapsulates your ignorance of dictionaries.

Democracy is a system of government in which people choose their rulers by voting for them in elections.​

[...]​

Synonyms: self-government, republic, commonwealth, autonomy​

What are you babbling about?

 

[cnm]

What are you babbling about?

Nothing you can comprehend. Don't worry about it. Believe in your southern home schooling.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That would help to make representation more representative, which is the soul of representative democracy. Other measures that would be required are to increase the number of representatives per capita and to remove the Electoral College and the Senate.

Good luck with any of that.

Number of representatives per capita doesn't matter in PR.

What matters is the cut off point.
In Germany if you get below 5% you don't get seats (unless you get seats through constituency votes, they vote twice on the same day, once FPTP once PR, but PR leads to the final number of seats), in Denmark it's 2%.
So, if the US were to do a 2% cut off point, then any political party which gets 2% of the vote, will get at least one representative in Congress.

Essentially you don't need loads of representatives, you could literally have 100, you get 2.5% of the vote, you get 2 representatives, you get 65% you get 65 representatives.

Obviously there would be more, in Germany they have something like 700, which works well, but the reality is that a political party will work as a team anyway. You could have one representative and 20 people working for you, it amounts to the same as 21 representatives, and they do the same thing.

If the US went for a PR system, it would also go for a President/Prime Minister system, or just a President system, or like the Swiss, a multiple person presidency.

The first would mean the President is elected by Congress to be the ceremonial head of state, the PM would be the leader of the party which can get a coalition of 50.1% or more of the seats. The President system could be a President who is simply elected by the party or coalition with the most seats. And Swiss system would see Congress electing people, by consensus, to be on the executive council. This means that crazies, those with Alzheimer's would never get on, it'd be sensible people, and the head of state rotates every year among the seven.

 

[gipper]

... of you desinformed from yourselve. ... Or are you a Russian?

Please read and logically dispute the following.


America is a stratocracy, a form of government dominated by the military. It is axiomatic among the two ruling parties that there must be a constant preparation for war. The war machine’s massive budgets are sacrosanct. Its billions of dollars in waste and fraud are ignored. Its military fiascos in Southeast Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East have disappeared into the vast cavern of historical amnesia. This amnesia, which means there is never accountability, licenses the war machine to economically disembowel the country and drive the Empire into one self-defeating conflict after another. The militarists win every election. They cannot lose. It is impossible to vote against them. The war state is a Götterdämmerung, as Dwight Macdonald writes, “without the gods.”
America is a stratocracy, a form of government dominated by the military. It is axiomatic among the two ruling parties that there must be a constant preparation for war. The war machine’s massive budgets are sacrosanct. Its billions of dollars in waste and fraud are ignored. Its military fiascos in Southeast Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East have disappeared into the vast cavern of historical amnesia. This amnesia, which means there is never accountability, licenses the war machine to economically disembowel the country and drive the Empire into one self-defeating conflict after another. The militarists win every election. They cannot lose. It is impossible to vote against them. The war state is a Götterdämmerung, as Dwight Macdonald writes, “without the gods.”
Since the end of the Second World War, the federal government has spent more than half its tax dollars on past, current and future military operations. It is the largest single sustaining activity of the government. Military systems are sold before they are produced with guarantees that huge cost overruns will be covered. Foreign aid is contingent on buying U.S. weapons. Egypt, which receives some $1.3 billion in foreign military financing, is required to devote it to buying and maintaining U.S. weapons systems. Israel has received $158 billion in bilateral assistance from the U.S. since 1949, almost all of it since 1971 in the form of military aid, with most of it going towards arms purchases from U.S. weapons manufacturers. The American public funds the research, development and building of weapons systems and then buys these same weapons systems on behalf of foreign governments. It is a circular system of corporate welfare.
Between October 2021 and September 2022, the U.S. spent $877 billion on the military, that’s more than the next 10 countries, including China, Russia, Germany, France and the United Kingdom combined. These huge military expenditures, along with the rising costs of a for-profit healthcare system, have driven the U.S. national debt to over $31 trillion, nearly $5 trillion more than the U.S.’s entire Gross Domestic Product (GDP). This imbalance is not sustainable, especially once the dollar is no longer the world’s reserve currency.

 

[zaangalewa]

Please read and logically dispute the following. ...

No. The USA is no military dictatorship. That's nonsense. By the way: We never had here in Germany any big problem with your soldiers. They are all honorable men and women - and the extremely seldom exceptions (soldiers are no sissies) confirm only this rule. You have reasons to be proud on your army.

 

[j-mac]

So, nothing. But you like that they tell you other people who don’t look like you are your biggest problem. Did you know they manipulate you to vote against your betterment because they know you can be swayed to hate?

Lol, you need a big mirror pal.

 

[cnm]

Democracy has worked for 200 yrars - we are something like the longest lasting nation / empire in history.

For white male property owners, maybe.

 

[cnm]

Number of representatives per capita doesn't matter in PR.

It matters in a democracy.

 

[cnm]

I don't usually respond to such noobs, but the mandate of the USA has never been about proving democracy can work because democracy was exactly what the Founders broke away from in England and were sick of and did not want to see emulated here again!

What an ignoranimus...

The subsequent Reform Act of 1832 increased voter suffrage from only about five percent to seven percent by broadening the property qualifications to include small landowners, tenant farmers, and shopkeepers. By creating 67 constituencies, the passing of this bill marks the start of democracy in the UK.​

UK Democracy | History & Timeline - Lesson | Study.com

Explore the history of democracy in the United Kingdom. Learn when England became a constitutional monarchy and view a timeline of UK democratization.

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[gipper]

No. The USA is no military dictatorship. That's nonsense. By the way: We never had here in Germany any big problem with your soldiers. They are all honorable men and women - and the extremely seldom exceptions (soldiers are no sissies) confirm only this rule. You have reasons to be proud on your army.

You aren’t informed. What Chris Hedges outlines is a military dictatorship. It may not fit your childish view of a military dictatorship, but that means nothing.

 

[Dragonlady]

Leftists, like Nazis cannot be reasoned with.

Sorry to break it to ya.

How would you ever know since you refuse to try?

The problem is, you don’t don’t deal in “reason” or facts. You’re lying media has brainwashed you into believing so many things that aren’t true, that you no longer live in the real world.

I’ve read your posts. Insane rants filled with lies, misinformation, and outright bullshit.

Right wing media continues to tell you that mainstream media is so biased that you can’t believe anything they tell you.

First, we have to care enough, and that just isn't happening. But on the off chance it did...

....we have to change a political/electoral system that incentivizes and rewards the VERY WORST behaviors of its participants. Incentives and rewards should be directed towards collaboration, communication, cooperation, innovation, so that both ends have real skin in the game.

• Get money out of politics - publicly-funded national elections
• Strict term limits for Congress and the Supreme Court
• Ranked Choice Voting
• Bipartisan Redistricting Commissions
• Non-Partisan Primaries

Are these ideas perfect, flawless? Nope. No such thing. But they change the incentives for the system.

But again, I don't think the country overall gives a shit. We're more concerned with who won "Dancing with the Stars", and in "beating" the other tribe.

In addition to getting the money out of politics, I would also suggest setting a time limit for campaigns. It used to be that the election season was confined to the election year.

You’re are more than 18 months away from the next federal election from the general election and the campaigns are in full swing. The Republicans took over the House six months ago and already they’re in campaign mode for 2024.

How can anything done if election campaigns are running for a year and a half years in the House is elected every two years?

And the money spent on elections is obscene. There needs to be spending limits in addition to donation limits.

We had a government funded elections for a time in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s. I think the total cost per taxpayer was something like two or three dollars each, to fund the parties. Funding was based on how many votes they received in the last election.

Of course the Conservative Party eliminated that law the moment they got into power. But the system was great while we had it.

In Canada, our election campaigns last seven weeks or less by law. No political ads or campaign rallies before the writ is dropped (election called and date set), although riding associates can meet and pick candidates at any time.

 

[lennypartiv]

Americans have had over 200 years to prove democracy can work​

It did work until Democrats stole the 2020 election.

 

[gipper]

How would you ever know since you refuse to try?

The problem is, you don’t don’t deal in “reason” or facts. You’re lying media has brainwashed you into believing so many things that aren’t true, that you no longer live in the real world.

I’ve read your posts. Insane rants filled with lies, misinformation, and outright bullshit.

Right wing media continues to tell you that mainstream media is so biased that you can’t believe anything they tell you.



In addition to getting the money out of politics, I would also suggest setting a time limit for campaigns. It used to be that the election season was confined to the election year.

You’re are more than 18 months away from the next federal election from the general election and the campaigns are in full swing. The Republicans took over the House six months ago and already they’re in campaign mode for 2024.

How can anything done if election campaigns are running for a year and a half years in the House is elected every two years?

And the money spent on elections is obscene. There needs to be spending limits in addition to donation limits.

We had a government funded elections for a time in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s. I think the total cost per taxpayer was something like two or three dollars each, to fund the parties. Funding was based on how many votes they received in the last election.

Of course the Conservative Party eliminated that law the moment they got into power. But the system was great while we had it.

In Canada, our election campaigns last seven weeks or less by law. No political ads or campaign rallies before the writ is dropped (election called and date set), although riding associates can meet and pick candidates at any time.

In the US, far too many fall for the divisive tactics utilized against them by government, media, academia, and Hollywood. These Americans hate their fellow Americans when we should all unite and focus that hate where it belongs.

 

[zaangalewa]

You aren’t informed. ...

About what? It is as I said. From my German perspective all US-Americans have good reasons to be proud on their army. The problems of the superidiot Donald Trump are not our problems. When your army will leave one day then we will make hopefully a big festival and remember the good old times - which are still existing today.