America's greatness is its working classes not "wealth" creators

[Bush92]

Does someone have their hands tied behind their backs and a cloth in their mouths holding them hostage??????

Stop the whining. I know so many people who've pulled themselves up by the boot straps that would laugh you out of the room it's not funny.

As for "TOLD THEY DON'T DESERVE".....did your socialist friends invite you to the Board to help them with their socialist rants? No one of any seriousness tells workers to not strive for more, except maybe some Democrat or Union hustler. Stop your hyperbole.

I'll take Overreactions for $1000, Alex.

I'm sorry if it's whining to want a full-time job to provide a basic standard of living for people.

Actually, I'm not sorry. And that's not hyperbole.

Washington Post, note the sentence in BOLD:

People at the bottom aren’t well-off, but they’re better off than they once were. Among the official poor, half have computers, 43 percent have central air conditioning and 36 percent have dishwashers, report Meyer and Sullivan. These advances are especially impressive because the massive immigration of unskilled Hispanic workers inflated the ranks of the poor. From 1990 to 2007, the entire increase in official poverty was among Hispanics.​

This will come back to bite Democrats on the ass. Hispanics will be Republicans after a generation. They work and start businesses, and will be first to reject Democratic Party socialism.

 

[ricechickie]

Washington Post, note the sentence in BOLD:

People at the bottom aren’t well-off, but they’re better off than they once were. Among the official poor, half have computers, 43 percent have central air conditioning and 36 percent have dishwashers, report Meyer and Sullivan. These advances are especially impressive because the massive immigration of unskilled Hispanic workers inflated the ranks of the poor. From 1990 to 2007, the entire increase in official poverty was among Hispanics.​

That's absolutely correct. The poor of America are the richest "poor" in the world. Then again, when you think of the debt some of those people are in, how well off are they?

Ever hear the one about most lower-income people being only a missed paycheck or two from homelessness? I wonder if that's changed any.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Does someone have their hands tied behind their backs and a cloth in their mouths holding them hostage??????

Stop the whining. I know so many people who've pulled themselves up by the boot straps that would laugh you out of the room it's not funny.

As for "TOLD THEY DON'T DESERVE".....did your socialist friends invite you to the Board to help them with their socialist rants? No one of any seriousness tells workers to not strive for more, except maybe some Democrat or Union hustler. Stop your hyperbole.

I'll take Overreactions for $1000, Alex.

I'm sorry if it's whining to want a full-time job to provide a basic standard of living for people.

Actually, I'm not sorry. And that's not hyperbole.

Washington Post, note the sentence in BOLD:

People at the bottom aren’t well-off, but they’re better off than they once were. Among the official poor, half have computers, 43 percent have central air conditioning and 36 percent have dishwashers, report Meyer and Sullivan. These advances are especially impressive because the massive immigration of unskilled Hispanic workers inflated the ranks of the poor. From 1990 to 2007, the entire increase in official poverty was among Hispanics.​

This will come back to bite Democrats on the ass. Hispanics will be Republicans after a generation. They work and start businesses, and will be first to reject Democratic Party socialism.

No, the won't.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Washington Post, note the sentence in BOLD:

People at the bottom aren’t well-off, but they’re better off than they once were. Among the official poor, half have computers, 43 percent have central air conditioning and 36 percent have dishwashers, report Meyer and Sullivan. These advances are especially impressive because the massive immigration of unskilled Hispanic workers inflated the ranks of the poor. From 1990 to 2007, the entire increase in official poverty was among Hispanics.​

That's absolutely correct. The poor of America are the richest "poor" in the world. Then again, when you think of the debt some of those people are in, how well off are they?

Ever hear the one about most lower-income people being only a missed paycheck or two from homelessness? I wonder if that's changed any.

I'm not disputing the hardship. I want the days when a working man could support a family on one income. That can't work via redistribution. The solution is more fundamental, it has to happen at the point of value creation and the only way forward is to create labor shortages and the effects of this will ripple through the economy, driving up wages and also spurring on innovation where machinery replaces labor, thus giving us international cost advantages in international trade. We need to be moving steadily upwards on the value creation ladder and importing dumb peasants is simply putting an anchor around our necks.

 

[usmcstinger]

My father stressed the importance of education and hard work. After a tour of Duty in Vietnam as a USMC Grunt,I got my 4 Year Degree. Before I entered my career, I worked factory and retail jobs. None of those jobs were beneath me and I was happy to have each one. I survived 4 Recessions. I worked a second job to help me get me through them. I never begrudged those who did much better than me.
I realized the American Dream by never forgetting what my father told me.
It is rough out there, but education and a strong work ethic can't hurt you.

 

[ricechickie]

Then start speaking up about deporting 20 million infiltrators and stopping all legal immigration until some labor market benchmark, agreed to by politicians, is reached. Maybe a labor force participation rate of 70% once again opens up legal immigration.

Until liberals start demanding deportations, they don't have legitimacy do claim a desire to close income inequality. Do job one and then move to job two.

How funny. Carry YOUR particular water bucket, and then we'll get around to mine?

 

[ricechickie]

I appreciate how you thought through and connected immigration to income inequality in your post.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Then start speaking up about deporting 20 million infiltrators and stopping all legal immigration until some labor market benchmark, agreed to by politicians, is reached. Maybe a labor force participation rate of 70% once again opens up legal immigration.

Until liberals start demanding deportations, they don't have legitimacy do claim a desire to close income inequality. Do job one and then move to job two.

How funny. Carry YOUR particular water bucket, and then we'll get around to mine?

What do you see as funny?

Am I to understand that you expect me to fight for deportations while you fight against me on that issue and simultaneously yammer on about the need to close the income inequality gap?

I'm carrying my own water bucket, but unlike liberals I'm not advocating for two mutually exclusive propositions.

 

[Bush92]

Does someone have their hands tied behind their backs and a cloth in their mouths holding them hostage??????

Stop the whining. I know so many people who've pulled themselves up by the boot straps that would laugh you out of the room it's not funny.

As for "TOLD THEY DON'T DESERVE".....did your socialist friends invite you to the Board to help them with their socialist rants? No one of any seriousness tells workers to not strive for more, except maybe some Democrat or Union hustler. Stop your hyperbole.

I'll take Overreactions for $1000, Alex.

I'm sorry if it's whining to want a full-time job to provide a basic standard of living for people.

Actually, I'm not sorry. And that's not hyperbole.

Washington Post, note the sentence in BOLD:

People at the bottom aren’t well-off, but they’re better off than they once were. Among the official poor, half have computers, 43 percent have central air conditioning and 36 percent have dishwashers, report Meyer and Sullivan. These advances are especially impressive because the massive immigration of unskilled Hispanic workers inflated the ranks of the poor. From 1990 to 2007, the entire increase in official poverty was among Hispanics.​

This will come back to bite Democrats on the ass. Hispanics will be Republicans after a generation. They work and start businesses, and will be first to reject Democratic Party socialism.

No, the won't.

I can only hope.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I appreciate how you thought through and connected immigration to income inequality in your post.

Thank you, but try to spread that idea amongst your friends. I don't see any movement on deportations from the Left.

 

[ricechickie]

Then start speaking up about deporting 20 million infiltrators and stopping all legal immigration until some labor market benchmark, agreed to by politicians, is reached. Maybe a labor force participation rate of 70% once again opens up legal immigration.

Until liberals start demanding deportations, they don't have legitimacy do claim a desire to close income inequality. Do job one and then move to job two.

How funny. Carry YOUR particular water bucket, and then we'll get around to mine?

What do you see as funny?

Am I to understand that you expect me to fight for deportations while you fight against me on that issue and simultaneously yammer on about the need to close the income inequality gap?

I'm carrying my own water bucket, but unlike liberals I'm not advocating for two mutually exclusive propositions.

I find it funny, because you're saying that fighting against immigration will automatically make wages rise.

As I said to your next post, I appreciate that you took the thought and time to show how it's connected. I'm still not completely convinced, but I appreciate the argument.

 

[NYcarbineer]

America's greatness is its working classes not "wealth" creators—Jake Starkey

You can't have one without the other.....

Sure you can. No one needs the Rich to have a prosperous society, except to the extent that one might need to get one's money back from them.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Does someone have their hands tied behind their backs and a cloth in their mouths holding them hostage??????

Stop the whining. I know so many people who've pulled themselves up by the boot straps that would laugh you out of the room it's not funny.

As for "TOLD THEY DON'T DESERVE".....did your socialist friends invite you to the Board to help them with their socialist rants? No one of any seriousness tells workers to not strive for more, except maybe some Democrat or Union hustler. Stop your hyperbole.

I'll take Overreactions for $1000, Alex.

I'm sorry if it's whining to want a full-time job to provide a basic standard of living for people.

Actually, I'm not sorry. And that's not hyperbole.

Washington Post, note the sentence in BOLD:

People at the bottom aren’t well-off, but they’re better off than they once were. Among the official poor, half have computers, 43 percent have central air conditioning and 36 percent have dishwashers, report Meyer and Sullivan. These advances are especially impressive because the massive immigration of unskilled Hispanic workers inflated the ranks of the poor. From 1990 to 2007, the entire increase in official poverty was among Hispanics.​

This will come back to bite Democrats on the ass. Hispanics will be Republicans after a generation. They work and start businesses, and will be first to reject Democratic Party socialism.

No, the won't.

I can only hope.

Don't spend energy on hoping for the impossible. Republicans can never win a majority of Hispanic votes. Delve deep into the data and you see that despite being Catholics, Hispanics are not living the life that Christian fundamentalists assume is the desired life. They have higher out of wedlock births, higher crime, lower income, higher welfare dependency. They're a natural fit for Democrats and they benefit from income redistribution. There's nothing that Republicans can really offer to the majority. We can capture some of the middle class due to economic self-interests if only they'd let go of ethnic allegiance but even that is a tough nut to crack.

 

[ricechickie]

I appreciate how you thought through and connected immigration to income inequality in your post.

Thank you, but try to spread that idea amongst your friends. I don't see any movement on deportations from the Left.

If we're going to be condescending about it, then try to spread the idea amongst your friends that you don't have to make arguments against immigrants based on the fact that people have to Press 1 for English.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Then start speaking up about deporting 20 million infiltrators and stopping all legal immigration until some labor market benchmark, agreed to by politicians, is reached. Maybe a labor force participation rate of 70% once again opens up legal immigration.

Until liberals start demanding deportations, they don't have legitimacy do claim a desire to close income inequality. Do job one and then move to job two.

How funny. Carry YOUR particular water bucket, and then we'll get around to mine?

What do you see as funny?

Am I to understand that you expect me to fight for deportations while you fight against me on that issue and simultaneously yammer on about the need to close the income inequality gap?

I'm carrying my own water bucket, but unlike liberals I'm not advocating for two mutually exclusive propositions.

I find it funny, because you're saying that fighting against immigration will automatically make wages rise.

As I said to your next post, I appreciate that you took the thought and time to show how it's connected. I'm still not completely convinced, but I appreciate the argument.

Do you understand how supply/demand work in markets? I'm not trying to be rude or condescending, I just don't know how familiar you are with economics.

 

[ricechickie]

Do you understand how supply/demand work in markets? I'm not trying to be rude or condescending, I just don't know how familiar you are with economics.

Yes, I am somewhat familiar with the theory of supply and demand.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I appreciate how you thought through and connected immigration to income inequality in your post.

Thank you, but try to spread that idea amongst your friends. I don't see any movement on deportations from the Left.

If we're going to be condescending about it, then try to spread the idea amongst your friends that you don't have to make arguments against immigrants based on the fact that people have to Press 1 for English.

Actually, that's an entirely legitimate argument. The nation which welcomes immigrants has no obligation to change to suit the tastes of immigrants. The obligation to change falls entirely on the immigrant for it is the immigrant who is choosing to settle in a new culture.

Citizens have every right to be upset when change is forced upon them, change that they didn't ask for and don't want.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Do you understand how supply/demand work in markets? I'm not trying to be rude or condescending, I just don't know how familiar you are with economics.

Yes, I am somewhat familiar with the theory of supply and demand.

So, what effect do you see arising from increasing labor supply?

 

[ricechickie]

Actually, that's an entirely legitimate argument. The nation which welcomes immigrants has no obligation to change to suit the tastes of immigrants. The obligation to change falls entirely on the immigrant for it is the immigrant who is choosing to settle in a new culture.

Citizens have every right to be upset when change is forced upon them, change that they didn't ask for and don't want.

Sorry, being afraid of change (that comes with an accent) is not a valid argument. Not when I see people who come here, who obey the law, beyond the initial entry, work hard and try to better themselves.

 

[ricechickie]

Do you understand how supply/demand work in markets? I'm not trying to be rude or condescending, I just don't know how familiar you are with economics.

Yes, I am somewhat familiar with the theory of supply and demand.

So, what effect do you see arising from increasing labor supply?

This is why I'm not entirely convinced. "Labor" isn't a static entity. There are many different kinds of labor, from manual labor, skilled labor, technical labor, professional labor, etc.

I know what you're getting at, however. If the labor supply increases, then the price that employers are willing to pay will decrease.