Americas Rape Culture

[Dhara]

Unless you have personal knowledge of these kinds of situations, and a lot of them, you should stop fantasizing about what you THINK is going on. No girl is going to allege rape and go through all the bullshit of dealing with attitudes like yours unless she has been seriously affronted.

That's bullshit. False accusations DO happen.

A lot.

And plenty of women ARE raped and don't report it.

So you agree, false accusations do happen, a lot. Good.

Old Lady was saying the opposite. Thinking which, if not challenged, leads to the presumption of guilt on the man, and thus many innocent lives destroyed.

It used to be that the women were presumed liars, and had consented. There is also the gray area of subtance abuse.

Which has what to do with today?

Why did you bring that up?

It has to do with my contention that the field is NOT unfairly in the woman's accuser's court. If someone lies under oath and makes a false accusation of rape there should be consequences.

What do you think of date rape, Correll?

 

[PK1]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

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Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

 

[westwall]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

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Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

No, silly person, tommy taint has a low opinion of the USA so voices his displeasure at every opportunity. Why the hell would I care what a ignorant twat like taint would have to say about a country he's clearly never been too?

 

[Correll]

That's bullshit. False accusations DO happen.

A lot.

And plenty of women ARE raped and don't report it.

So you agree, false accusations do happen, a lot. Good.

Old Lady was saying the opposite. Thinking which, if not challenged, leads to the presumption of guilt on the man, and thus many innocent lives destroyed.

It used to be that the women were presumed liars, and had consented. There is also the gray area of subtance abuse.

Which has what to do with today?

Why did you bring that up?

It has to do with my contention that the field is NOT unfairly in the woman's accuser's court. If someone lies under oath and makes a false accusation of rape there should be consequences.

What do you think of date rape, Correll?

Then you are kidding yourself.

To many libs have adopted Old Lady's and Hillary's assumption that women never lie about rape and men have been paying for that.

The Duke Lacross Scandal is a well known example.

WHat do I think of Date Rape? I think that it has been expanded from actual rape to include, as others have pointed out, regret sex, and mutual sex and mutual intoxication.

And of course, is sometimes a cover for a false accusation.

Have you addressed the question of mutual intoxication and why it is that only the man is held responsible?

 

[Dhara]

So, from your post I gather you think if a woman gets drunk on a date or is slipped a mickie it's on her if the guy has sex when she's passed out or unconscious.

 

[Correll]

So, from your post I gather you think if a woman gets drunk on a date or is slipped a mickie it's on her if the guy has sex when she's passed out or unconscious.

Nothing in my post said that.

Mutual intoxication means they both get drunk and both drunkenly decide to have sex.

That should have been clear.

It is a HUGE Leap from that to deciding I was supporting men who drug women unknowingly and then rape their unconscious bodies.

But it is a leap you made.

And the important thing here is that you are not alone in that mindset. Indeed, that type of liberal mindset IS the Conventional Wisdom.

And thousands of men are brought up on charges by prosecutors who think that way, and/or have judges and/or people in their jury who think that way.


AND that shows that the field is titled unfairly in the woman's accuser's favor.

 

[PK1]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

---
Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

No, silly person, tommy taint has a low opinion of the USA so voices his displeasure at every opportunity. Why the hell would I care what a ignorant twat like taint would have to say about a country he's clearly never been too?

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Do you have same opinion of others who criticize USA without visiting it, like those Russkies, etc?

BTW, how do we know there's more rape in UK than USA?
According to the UN, in 2009, there were more frequent rapes (per 100,000 pop) in USA (29) than in England/Wales (27.5).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/CTS12_Sexual_violence.xls
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[Anathema]

I don't know about that. Some years back I took a week long training in advocating for DV and rape survivors. We spent a whole afternoon looking at films and magazine advertisement and discussing how they are reflective of a culture of rape and violence against women.

I am the husband of and primary emotional support for a rape survivor. The films, books, etc... don't always go far enough.

 

[MaryL]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

OK. Men aren't in rut all the bloody time, now it's the internet to blame for feeding inherent male lust? Cheap cameras on cell phones and the lack of compassion, technology has gotten ahead of morality. same thing with terrorist, if you think about it.

 

[westwall]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

---
Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

No, silly person, tommy taint has a low opinion of the USA so voices his displeasure at every opportunity. Why the hell would I care what a ignorant twat like taint would have to say about a country he's clearly never been too?

---
Do you have same opinion of others who criticize USA without visiting it, like those Russkies, etc?

BTW, how do we know there's more rape in UK than USA?
According to the UN, in 2009, there were more frequent rapes (per 100,000 pop) in USA (29) than in England/Wales (27.5).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/CTS12_Sexual_violence.xls
.

Police in the UK have been falsifying crime statistics for years. This is the most recent release and shows just how inaccurate their reporting was.

The official crime figures were stripped of their quality "kitemark" by a watchdog last year followingwidespread concerns over police "fiddling", and the increases suggest forces are now beginning to record the true level of crime for the first time in years.


Violent crime surges 16pc in new figures

 

[Vigilante]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

OK. Men aren't in rut all the bloody time, now it's the internet to blame for feeding inherent male lust? Cheap cameras on cell phones and the lack of compassion, technology has gotten ahead of morality. same thing with terrorist, if you think about it.

Terrorists.....

 

[PK1]

the field is titled unfairly in the woman's accuser's favor.

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Unfairly?
Most rapes supposedly go unreported, and those that are brought to trial must have solid evidence or the defending attorney will have a lot of fun at the woman's expense.
.

 

[Tilly]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

---
Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

No, silly person, tommy taint has a low opinion of the USA so voices his displeasure at every opportunity. Why the hell would I care what a ignorant twat like taint would have to say about a country he's clearly never been too?

---
Do you have same opinion of others who criticize USA without visiting it, like those Russkies, etc?

BTW, how do we know there's more rape in UK than USA?
According to the UN, in 2009, there were more frequent rapes (per 100,000 pop) in USA (29) than in England/Wales (27.5).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/CTS12_Sexual_violence.xls
.

Police in the UK have been falsifying crime statistics for years. This is the most recent release and shows just how inaccurate their reporting was.

The official crime figures were stripped of their quality "kitemark" by a watchdog last year followingwidespread concerns over police "fiddling", and the increases suggest forces are now beginning to record the true level of crime for the first time in years.


Violent crime surges 16pc in new figures

Organised rape rings have been covered up by the police and government , BBC covered up for rapists and paedophile like Jimmy Saville, etc etc. Those who are interested can look up Rotherham rape ring.

 

[Correll]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

---
Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

No, silly person, tommy taint has a low opinion of the USA so voices his displeasure at every opportunity. Why the hell would I care what a ignorant twat like taint would have to say about a country he's clearly never been too?

---
Do you have same opinion of others who criticize USA without visiting it, like those Russkies, etc?

BTW, how do we know there's more rape in UK than USA?
According to the UN, in 2009, there were more frequent rapes (per 100,000 pop) in USA (29) than in England/Wales (27.5).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/CTS12_Sexual_violence.xls
.

Police in the UK have been falsifying crime statistics for years. This is the most recent release and shows just how inaccurate their reporting was.

The official crime figures were stripped of their quality "kitemark" by a watchdog last year followingwidespread concerns over police "fiddling", and the increases suggest forces are now beginning to record the true level of crime for the first time in years.


Violent crime surges 16pc in new figures

Jesus Christ! More and more I can't believe that british mobs aren't burning Parliament right now!

 

[westwall]

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

---
Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

No, silly person, tommy taint has a low opinion of the USA so voices his displeasure at every opportunity. Why the hell would I care what a ignorant twat like taint would have to say about a country he's clearly never been too?

---
Do you have same opinion of others who criticize USA without visiting it, like those Russkies, etc?

BTW, how do we know there's more rape in UK than USA?
According to the UN, in 2009, there were more frequent rapes (per 100,000 pop) in USA (29) than in England/Wales (27.5).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/CTS12_Sexual_violence.xls
.

Police in the UK have been falsifying crime statistics for years. This is the most recent release and shows just how inaccurate their reporting was.

The official crime figures were stripped of their quality "kitemark" by a watchdog last year followingwidespread concerns over police "fiddling", and the increases suggest forces are now beginning to record the true level of crime for the first time in years.


Violent crime surges 16pc in new figures

Organised rape rings have been covered up by the police and government , BBC covered up for rapists and paedophile like Jimmy Saville, etc etc. Those who are interested can look up Rotherham rape ring.

Yep. It is all starting to come out now. Any twit who thinks the UK is all brightness and light is living in a dream world. They are 5 times more violent than the USA is.

 

[MisterBeale]

I agree with you, but we aren't talking about rape here.

The feminist culture is redefining the terms.

What we are talking about is girls going to parties, getting drunk, and sleeping with guys. In the morning, they feel shame about what they did, and when the guy they like doesn't call them back or want to have anything to do with them, they turn around and call it rape because they are hurt.

In some instances, yes, it is forced sex, but in many others, it is murky at best. Neither the guy or girl can actually remember what happened. So you tell me, who can be blamed? Can anyone?

All I am saying is, if the girl was drunk, there IS NO RAPE. If she was binge drinking and partying so hard, and the guy she was with was doing the same thing, then neither can be held criminally liable for anything.

If they can be, why can't the man say he was raped?

It's like folks don't remember college, have never been, or went to a lame school.

Absolute shite. If the woman is too drunk to say yes then it is rape. Women have a right to get drunk without having to worry about some pervert climbing all over her.

YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY LIBERAL MEDIA CRAP.

In all instances where the woman has been too drunk to remember what she did the night before? She did say yes. How does she know what went on? How does he know what went on?

Just because when she is sober she swears up and down she would never want that, doesn't mean she didn't when she was sloshed.

You don't know what you are going on about. You have obviously never been to a party school or met one of these types of girls. They hide behind booze as an excuse to act like flirts and promiscuous sluts when the weekend comes. When they go home to mom and dad, and go to church for holiday, it's a different story though.

Don't give me any of your liberal sanctimonious bullshit. There isn't any rape going on here. It's a cover.

Half of these boys are too wasted to be able to force themselves onto a sheep. They can't even walk straight.


You don't have a clue about what you are going on about.


This topic is about saving face for these girls, it isn't about dignity, violence, rights or any of that crap.

They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want permission to be bad in societies eyes, and they want to ruin the reputation and lives of boys trying to make their way in the world in the process.

I'll tell you who the perverts are. . . .

Unless you have personal knowledge of these kinds of situations, and a lot of them, you should stop fantasizing about what you THINK is going on. No girl is going to allege rape and go through all the bullshit of dealing with attitudes like yours unless she has been seriously affronted.

That's bullshit. False accusations DO happen.

A lot.

And plenty of women ARE raped and don't report it.

I absolutely agree with that.

When I was a student at a Big Ten School, I was a crises counselor at a phone hot line for crises intervention. We dealt with all sorts of problems, i.e. suicides, depression, loneliness, eating disorders, etc. and we had a special section for dealing specifically with rape. 9 times out of 10, the victims of rape had to be coaxed into going to the emergency room, getting a rape kit, and pressing charges.


With REAL rape, there is a certain amount of shame coming forward. They do not want the stigma or the publicity.

With the sort of incidents we are talking about here, the "victims" are making these accusations out of a need to justify their drunken behavior the night before. I find it sickening after everything I have been privy to with my training in dealing with survivors of the violence of actual rape that these selfish women would use this term as an excuse for what they have been doing. For them to use this crime as a cover for their irresponsible decision making I find abhorrent.

Real rape victims tend to hide in the shadows. Only after they find out that the only way to true healing is to confront their attackers do they acknowledge what happened and seek justice, for themselves, and for society. This is an act of violence, not sex.

What this thread is discussing is drunken sex and women that feel remorse afterwards.

 

[Correll]

the field is titled unfairly in the woman's accuser's favor.

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Unlikely ... unless the victim has solid evidence.

Most rapes supposedly go unreported, and those that are brought to trial must have solid evidence or the defending attorney will have a lot of fun at the woman's expense.
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Unreported rapes have nothing to do with the issue of men not getting a fair trial once accused.

And plenty of trials are just His Word vs Her word.

And as demonstrated in this thread, plenty of people assume that the woman will never lie.

 

[Correll]

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

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Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

No, silly person, tommy taint has a low opinion of the USA so voices his displeasure at every opportunity. Why the hell would I care what a ignorant twat like taint would have to say about a country he's clearly never been too?

---
Do you have same opinion of others who criticize USA without visiting it, like those Russkies, etc?

BTW, how do we know there's more rape in UK than USA?
According to the UN, in 2009, there were more frequent rapes (per 100,000 pop) in USA (29) than in England/Wales (27.5).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/CTS12_Sexual_violence.xls
.

Police in the UK have been falsifying crime statistics for years. This is the most recent release and shows just how inaccurate their reporting was.

The official crime figures were stripped of their quality "kitemark" by a watchdog last year followingwidespread concerns over police "fiddling", and the increases suggest forces are now beginning to record the true level of crime for the first time in years.


Violent crime surges 16pc in new figures

Organised rape rings have been covered up by the police and government , BBC covered up for rapists and paedophile like Jimmy Saville, etc etc. Those who are interested can look up Rotherham rape ring.

FOR YEARS. With hundreds of girls, if not thousands paying the price, in individual cases.

 

[MaryL]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

OK. Men aren't in rut all the bloody time, now it's the internet to blame for feeding inherent male lust? Cheap cameras on cell phones and the lack of compassion, technology has gotten ahead of morality. same thing with terrorist, if you think about it.

Terrorists.....

Rape culture and Islam, kidnap little girls, rape them, or make them sex slaves, or make them suicide bombers. Islam is phallocentric, and anything Muslim males do is justifiable. And then they preach about denying your sex urges, kill apostates, go to the afterlife and get a zillion virgins? Wow, what a bunch of twaddle. And those hard up males buy this malarkey, it is depressing to think how gullible the human race can be.

 

[PK1]

Will This Strategy Finally Put an End to Sexual Assault on US College Campuses?
Why are women treated like this ?

Is it because of pornography or how people are brought up ?

There's more rape in the UK than here buckwheat. I suggest you concern yourself with your own backyard.

---
Hey buckwheat, rape is universal and the Q is why it happens when it does, if i understand the OP correctly.
Any insight from you ... other than buckwheat?

BTW, why would a USMB mod not want foreign opinions?
.

No, silly person, tommy taint has a low opinion of the USA so voices his displeasure at every opportunity. Why the hell would I care what a ignorant twat like taint would have to say about a country he's clearly never been too?

---
Do you have same opinion of others who criticize USA without visiting it, like those Russkies, etc?

BTW, how do we know there's more rape in UK than USA?
According to the UN, in 2009, there were more frequent rapes (per 100,000 pop) in USA (29) than in England/Wales (27.5).

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/CTS12_Sexual_violence.xls
.

Police in the UK have been falsifying crime statistics for years. This is the most recent release and shows just how inaccurate their reporting was.

The official crime figures were stripped of their quality "kitemark" by a watchdog last year followingwidespread concerns over police "fiddling", and the increases suggest forces are now beginning to record the true level of crime for the first time in years.
Violent crime surges 16pc in new figures

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Perhaps police forces in USA also have reporting "issues" in the rape area. Hard to really know; most rapes may not be reported and that variable varies by culture.
Besides culture, i think the perp's personality has a lot to do with the likelihood of rape.
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