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Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Well you did win the election so knowing this was your feelings before the election and you still won I say you guys get to end affirmative action. I just think you shouldn't. But that's ok. I'm actually glad you are doing it. Maybe it'll get blacks to vote next time. Remember they said there was no difference between the parties? End AA to prove to them I'm right please.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
1. So, the poor white and bright kid with dreams of an Ivy League education and maybe becoming President someday, gets his dreams ignored because some black student who scored less but has black skin gets the scholarship?
There has been enough of that.
2. ANd what of the effects of discrimination for blacks against whites? What does that reinforce? A sense of racist entitlement among blacks and racial resentment among the whites being screwed.
Your ignorance is astounding. 50 years ago the CUNY (its 18 colleges) had an open admissions program (AA). Was set up to bring blacks into the university system. High school grade requirements were abolished. Any dum dum could be admitted. Classes were watered down to 8th grade levelsEverything you say is a myth
The pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
It is very hard as a privileged white guy to take you seriously. I think you are a very intelligent alt righty and you make a lot of good points and I love it how classy you keep it but you're going to have to convince me that it's not easier for a white guy in America than it is for a black man. In fact it's laughable. Maybe I don't know what it's like to be a 25 year old white competing with a 25 year old black but when you get to be a middle aged white guy you and your buddies pretty much own corporate America.
Sorry, I just don't see enough black hiring managers or even co-workers for that matter to believe blacks have it better than whites.
And besides, they only make up 12% of the population. Now consider all the blacks who aren't even qualified to go to college or compete against you for a job. What are we talking about here? A very very small percentage of the population who's taking up a seat at Harvard or taking your seat in the executive board room.
Remember whites didn't want to play with blacks in baseball or basketball? Now there is an industry where blacks absolutely cost a lot of whites their jobs. LOL
Total mess.
And how can anyone think it to be easier for a white guy than a black ? When blacks are beneficiaries of race discrimination in AA, and get first chances for jobs, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc
You don't know anything.
Total nonsense. What university
Everything you say is a mythThere is no such thing as white privilege. That is a myth that blacks are conned into thinking to get them to vote DemocratIf you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Quite amazing after 50 years of Affirmative Action discrimination against whites, that somebody could not recognize all this black privilege, and massive victimization of whites
How dumb
If you're black and can't make it in America, with all the advantage of Affirmative Action going for you, you're a loser
The pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
Then provide a link.
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.
NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.
https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf
"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."
Life isn't fair and it's a fools errand to demand reparations for every perceived wrong.Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Reparations$$$ will have to be paid to all the whites who have suffered huge losses $$$ from AA. Even in retirement, we still suffer due to reduced social security from all reduced wages for ,50 years
So you support racial discrimination (as long as blacks are beneficiaries & whites are victims) ?Well you did win the election so knowing this was your feelings before the election and you still won I say you guys get to end affirmative action. I just think you shouldn't. But that's ok. I'm actually glad you are doing it. Maybe it'll get blacks to vote next time. Remember they said there was no difference between the parties? End AA to prove to them I'm right please.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
1. So, the poor white and bright kid with dreams of an Ivy League education and maybe becoming President someday, gets his dreams ignored because some black student who scored less but has black skin gets the scholarship?
There has been enough of that.
2. ANd what of the effects of discrimination for blacks against whites? What does that reinforce? A sense of racist entitlement among blacks and racial resentment among the whites being screwed.
Not "every". Just AA, that's all.Life isn't fair and it's a fools errand to demand reparations for every perceived wrong.Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Reparations$$$ will have to be paid to all the whites who have suffered huge losses $$$ from AA. Even in retirement, we still suffer due to reduced social security from all reduced wages for ,50 years
Well, it's not going to happen for AA.Not "every". Just AA, that's all.Life isn't fair and it's a fools errand to demand reparations for every perceived wrong.Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Reparations$$$ will have to be paid to all the whites who have suffered huge losses $$$ from AA. Even in retirement, we still suffer due to reduced social security from all reduced wages for ,50 years
Nonsense! Almost ALL whites suffer losses from AA. Liberals claim the darndest things.Your ignorance is astounding. 50 years ago the CUNY (its 18 colleges) had an open admissions program (AA). Was set up to bring blacks into the university system. High school grade requirements were abolished. Any dum dum could be admitted. Classes were watered down to 8th grade levelsThe pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
It is very hard as a privileged white guy to take you seriously. I think you are a very intelligent alt righty and you make a lot of good points and I love it how classy you keep it but you're going to have to convince me that it's not easier for a white guy in America than it is for a black man. In fact it's laughable. Maybe I don't know what it's like to be a 25 year old white competing with a 25 year old black but when you get to be a middle aged white guy you and your buddies pretty much own corporate America.
Sorry, I just don't see enough black hiring managers or even co-workers for that matter to believe blacks have it better than whites.
And besides, they only make up 12% of the population. Now consider all the blacks who aren't even qualified to go to college or compete against you for a job. What are we talking about here? A very very small percentage of the population who's taking up a seat at Harvard or taking your seat in the executive board room.
Remember whites didn't want to play with blacks in baseball or basketball? Now there is an industry where blacks absolutely cost a lot of whites their jobs. LOL
Total mess.
And how can anyone think it to be easier for a white guy than a black ? When blacks are beneficiaries of race discrimination in AA, and get first chances for jobs, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc
You don't know anything.
Total nonsense. What university
Everything you say is a mythThere is no such thing as white privilege. That is a myth that blacks are conned into thinking to get them to vote Democrat
Quite amazing after 50 years of Affirmative Action discrimination against whites, that somebody could not recognize all this black privilege, and massive victimization of whites
How dumb
If you're black and can't make it in America, with all the advantage of Affirmative Action going for you, you're a loser
The pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
Then provide a link.
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.
NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.
https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf
"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."
I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.
Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.
No ? Who says so ?Well, it's not going to happen for AA.Not "every". Just AA, that's all.Life isn't fair and it's a fools errand to demand reparations for every perceived wrong.Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Reparations$$$ will have to be paid to all the whites who have suffered huge losses $$$ from AA. Even in retirement, we still suffer due to reduced social security from all reduced wages for ,50 years
Your ignorance is astounding. 50 years ago the CUNY (its 18 colleges) had an open admissions program (AA). Was set up to bring blacks into the university system. High school grade requirements were abolished. Any dum dum could be admitted. Classes were watered down to 8th grade levelsThe pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
It is very hard as a privileged white guy to take you seriously. I think you are a very intelligent alt righty and you make a lot of good points and I love it how classy you keep it but you're going to have to convince me that it's not easier for a white guy in America than it is for a black man. In fact it's laughable. Maybe I don't know what it's like to be a 25 year old white competing with a 25 year old black but when you get to be a middle aged white guy you and your buddies pretty much own corporate America.
Sorry, I just don't see enough black hiring managers or even co-workers for that matter to believe blacks have it better than whites.
And besides, they only make up 12% of the population. Now consider all the blacks who aren't even qualified to go to college or compete against you for a job. What are we talking about here? A very very small percentage of the population who's taking up a seat at Harvard or taking your seat in the executive board room.
Remember whites didn't want to play with blacks in baseball or basketball? Now there is an industry where blacks absolutely cost a lot of whites their jobs. LOL
Total mess.
And how can anyone think it to be easier for a white guy than a black ? When blacks are beneficiaries of race discrimination in AA, and get first chances for jobs, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc
You don't know anything.
Total nonsense. What university
Everything you say is a mythThere is no such thing as white privilege. That is a myth that blacks are conned into thinking to get them to vote Democrat
Quite amazing after 50 years of Affirmative Action discrimination against whites, that somebody could not recognize all this black privilege, and massive victimization of whites
How dumb
If you're black and can't make it in America, with all the advantage of Affirmative Action going for you, you're a loser
The pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
Then provide a link.
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.
NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.
https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf
"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."
I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.
Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.
Well, it's just my opinion and I'm certainly not always right; however, I believe I'm on pretty firm ground with this opinion. If you think you can help make it happen, go for it.No ? Who says so ?Well, it's not going to happen for AA.Not "every". Just AA, that's all.Life isn't fair and it's a fools errand to demand reparations for every perceived wrong.Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Reparations$$$ will have to be paid to all the whites who have suffered huge losses $$$ from AA. Even in retirement, we still suffer due to reduced social security from all reduced wages for ,50 years
Actually there were quite a few Whites who spoke up, and acted, in opposition to slavery and Jim Crow exclusions, all of whom suffered some level of retribution, most notably one John Brown and his entire family. There were names for these individuals -- abolitionists and integrationists, but we never hear a word about them.Not apologizing for my skin color, which none of us chose. Not apologizing for any particular act I have done. Simply for the fact that so much bigotry still exists here. Maybe if white had spoken up and fought for justice and equality long ago, things would be better now. If there are bitter Africans here, I believe they are no more bitter than white people would be if we had been victims of institutional racism, discrimination and segregation.
Nonsense! Almost ALL whites suffer losses from AA. Liberals claim the darndest things.Your ignorance is astounding. 50 years ago the CUNY (its 18 colleges) had an open admissions program (AA). Was set up to bring blacks into the university system. High school grade requirements were abolished. Any dum dum could be admitted. Classes were watered down to 8th grade levelsIt is very hard as a privileged white guy to take you seriously. I think you are a very intelligent alt righty and you make a lot of good points and I love it how classy you keep it but you're going to have to convince me that it's not easier for a white guy in America than it is for a black man. In fact it's laughable. Maybe I don't know what it's like to be a 25 year old white competing with a 25 year old black but when you get to be a middle aged white guy you and your buddies pretty much own corporate America.
Sorry, I just don't see enough black hiring managers or even co-workers for that matter to believe blacks have it better than whites.
And besides, they only make up 12% of the population. Now consider all the blacks who aren't even qualified to go to college or compete against you for a job. What are we talking about here? A very very small percentage of the population who's taking up a seat at Harvard or taking your seat in the executive board room.
Remember whites didn't want to play with blacks in baseball or basketball? Now there is an industry where blacks absolutely cost a lot of whites their jobs. LOL
Total mess.
And how can anyone think it to be easier for a white guy than a black ? When blacks are beneficiaries of race discrimination in AA, and get first chances for jobs, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc
You don't know anything.
Total nonsense. What university
Everything you say is a myth
The pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
Then provide a link.
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.
NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.
https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf
"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."
I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.
Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.
Your ignorance is astounding. 50 years ago the CUNY (its 18 colleges) had an open admissions program (AA). Was set up to bring blacks into the university system. High school grade requirements were abolished. Any dum dum could be admitted. Classes were watered down to 8th grade levelsIt is very hard as a privileged white guy to take you seriously. I think you are a very intelligent alt righty and you make a lot of good points and I love it how classy you keep it but you're going to have to convince me that it's not easier for a white guy in America than it is for a black man. In fact it's laughable. Maybe I don't know what it's like to be a 25 year old white competing with a 25 year old black but when you get to be a middle aged white guy you and your buddies pretty much own corporate America.
Sorry, I just don't see enough black hiring managers or even co-workers for that matter to believe blacks have it better than whites.
And besides, they only make up 12% of the population. Now consider all the blacks who aren't even qualified to go to college or compete against you for a job. What are we talking about here? A very very small percentage of the population who's taking up a seat at Harvard or taking your seat in the executive board room.
Remember whites didn't want to play with blacks in baseball or basketball? Now there is an industry where blacks absolutely cost a lot of whites their jobs. LOL
Total mess.
And how can anyone think it to be easier for a white guy than a black ? When blacks are beneficiaries of race discrimination in AA, and get first chances for jobs, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc
You don't know anything.
Total nonsense. What university
Everything you say is a myth
The pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
Then provide a link.
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.
NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.
https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf
"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."
I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.
Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.
THe study covered different issues, but the fact that the number for athletes and legacies are listed there does not change teh fact that the effective sat bonus for black skin was 230 points.
Indeed, even if you don't about it, it gives you a sense of the size of the problem when having black skin is 15 % more valuable than being a competitive athlete?
On a 1600 point scale, 160 points is ten percent. 230 points?That's a big hill for a poor white kid hoping for a scholarship to climb.
No dreams for you, stupid white kid. Go work in the mills. Oops, they are all closed. While, whatever.
Your ignorance is astounding. 50 years ago the CUNY (its 18 colleges) had an open admissions program (AA). Was set up to bring blacks into the university system. High school grade requirements were abolished. Any dum dum could be admitted. Classes were watered down to 8th grade levels
Total mess.
And how can anyone think it to be easier for a white guy than a black ? When blacks are beneficiaries of race discrimination in AA, and get first chances for jobs, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc
You don't know anything.
Total nonsense. What university
The pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
Then provide a link.
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.
NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.
https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf
"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."
I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.
Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.
THe study covered different issues, but the fact that the number for athletes and legacies are listed there does not change teh fact that the effective sat bonus for black skin was 230 points.
Indeed, even if you don't about it, it gives you a sense of the size of the problem when having black skin is 15 % more valuable than being a competitive athlete?
On a 1600 point scale, 160 points is ten percent. 230 points?That's a big hill for a poor white kid hoping for a scholarship to climb.
No dreams for you, stupid white kid. Go work in the mills. Oops, they are all closed. While, whatever.
Or go to another school. I don't know why I didn't get into UofM. How many white kids don't get into these colleges because of AA? A very small number. But how many blacks who should have got hired didn't just because they are black? Lots. You seem to not care to fix that problem. I guess why should you care? You aren't black.
I think/hope Republicans end it. I want blacks to know definitively that conservatives and Republicans are much worse than liberals and Democrats.
Fix the problem? How?Or go to another school. I don't know why I didn't get into UofM. How many white kids don't get into these colleges because of AA? A very small number. But how many blacks who should have got hired didn't just because they are black? Lots. You seem to not care to fix that problem. I guess why should you care? You aren't black.
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Being white doesn't enable admission, it DISables the admission. That's why Trump & Sessions are seeking to abolish Affirmative Action.Fix the problem? How?Or go to another school. I don't know why I didn't get into UofM. How many white kids don't get into these colleges because of AA? A very small number. But how many blacks who should have got hired didn't just because they are black? Lots. You seem to not care to fix that problem. I guess why should you care? You aren't black.
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What should a White person who is admitted to a university do if he/she believes his/her race enabled the admission? Complain?
Would you? How many Blacks in a similar situation would jeopardize his/her own position to start trouble in the interest of some Black he/she doesn't even know?
Trump & Sessions are already working to put a stop to it, but that's not enough.Myth 1 is not a Myth; however, it takes time. Over time, years or perhaps over 2 or 3 generations a color-blind society can be reached by adopting color-blind policies. Policies such as AA may help in the short term, but in the long term if continued will prevent having a color-blind society.If you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Your lack of compassion for tens of millions of poor whites is noted and held against you.
The field has not been tilted in our favor in my lifetime.
Myth 1: The only way to create a color-blind society is to adopt color-blind policies.
Although this statement sounds intuitively plausible, the reality is that color-blind policies often put racial minorities at a disadvantage. For instance, all else being equal, color-blind seniority systems tend to protect White workers against job layoffs, because senior employees are usually White (Ezorsky, 1991). Likewise, color-blind college admissions favor White students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice -- they reinforce it.
It's time to end AA and adopt color-blind policies now.
Reparations$$$ will have to be paid to all the whites who have suffered huge losses $$$ from AA. Even in retirement, we still suffer due to reduced social security from all reduced wages
Deep in denial, huh ? Well Affirmative Action is no myth. Blacks are the beneficiaries; Whites are the victims. Been that way for 56 years.Everything you say is a mythThere is no such thing as white privilege. That is a myth that blacks are conned into thinking to get them to vote DemocratIf you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Quite amazing after 50 years of Affirmative Action discrimination against whites, that somebody could not recognize all this black privilege, and massive victimization of whites
How dumb
If you're black and can't make it in America, with all the advantage of Affirmative Action going for you, you're a loser
Welcome to the real world.
Deep in denial, huh ? Well Affirmative Action is no myth. Blacks are the beneficiaries; Whites are the victims. Been that way for 56 years.Everything you say is a mythThere is no such thing as white privilege. That is a myth that blacks are conned into thinking to get them to vote DemocratIf you're white and can't make it in America you're a loser. The fact you want reparations tells me all I need to know.If any blacks (or white liberals) were to apologize to me for 50 years of Affirmative Action racial discrimination against me (& millions of whites), I would not accept their apologies. Apologies are for the benefit of the apologizers
Let blacks & their white Libby buddies pay me reparations$$ for the millions$$ that their racist Affirmative Action has cost me over 50 years. That I'll accept.
White people haven't traditionally needed reparations since the playing field is tipped in their favor. Do you deny you benefit from white privilege? Have all your bosses been white?
Quite amazing after 50 years of Affirmative Action discrimination against whites, that somebody could not recognize all this black privilege, and massive victimization of whites
How dumb
If you're black and can't make it in America, with all the advantage of Affirmative Action going for you, you're a loser
Welcome to the real world.
Your posts are crazy. The opposite of what's true. ALL whites are discriminated against by AA.Nonsense! Almost ALL whites suffer losses from AA. Liberals claim the darndest things.Your ignorance is astounding. 50 years ago the CUNY (its 18 colleges) had an open admissions program (AA). Was set up to bring blacks into the university system. High school grade requirements were abolished. Any dum dum could be admitted. Classes were watered down to 8th grade levels
Total mess.
And how can anyone think it to be easier for a white guy than a black ? When blacks are beneficiaries of race discrimination in AA, and get first chances for jobs, job promotion, college admissions, college financial aid, business loans, etc
You don't know anything.
Total nonsense. What university
The pro-black discrimination has been documented in studies and reverse discrimination cases over and over again.
TO deny it is increasingly irrational.
Then provide a link.
Here the one to a study that was able to give a nice hard number to HOW MUCH discrimination is found in Ivy League college admissions.
NOrmally I would like to link to a report about the article, to make it more readable, BUT all the ones I find that are NOT found conservative sites, seem solely concerned with the impact on Asians, without reference to whites.
https://www.princeton.edu/~tje/files/webAdmission Preferences Espenshade Chung Walling Dec 2004.pdf
"Based on complete data for three applicant cohorts to three of the most academically selective research universities, we show that admission bonuses for athletes and legacies rival, and sometimes even exceed, the size of preferences for underrepresented minority applicants. Being African American instead of white is worth an average of 230 additional SAT points on a 1600-point scale, but recruited athletes reap an advantage equivalent to 200 SAT points. Other things equal, Hispanic applicants gain the equivalent of 185 points, which is only slightly more than the legacy advantage, which is worth 160 points. Coming from an Asian background, however, is comparable to the loss of 50 SAT points. As sizeable as these preferences are, we provide evidence that their magnitudes are biased down by relying on SAT scores as the sole indicator of academic merit. When such additional measures as high school GPA and class rank are included, being a recruited athlete has an even greater impact on one’s chances of admission. The African-American and Hispanic advantage also increases, as does the disadvantage if one has an Asian background."
I don't want to hear about athletes and legacies. I want to strictly talk about blacks. Because adding in athletes taints the results big time! And I'm sorry but people want to go to UofM because they have a good football program.
Fact is, less than 1% of whites are affected by aa. I'm guessing MUCH less than 1%. What about the small minority that suffers? It's worth the price. But I'll never convince you guys that so do away with it and show black people how fair you are going to be to them after AA is gone.
How is this possible? I just explained to you the number of blacks is so small that way less than 1% of whites would be affected by it. And the purpose is to make up for all the whites who won't hire blacks. There are way more blacks that are affected by racist hiring managers than there are whites who've been hurt by affirmative action.
I bet none of you have been hurt by AA. I haven't.
By the way, I just got a huge raise today. I thought I would get it in January but the president said he wants to reward me for all the great work I'm doing now, not next year.
