An Autopsy for the Keyenesians

[PaintMyHouse]

We've been keeping this house of cards alive for decades. We could let it run its course but we don't because the inevitable crash causes too much damage. The reality is capitalism is drunk teenager. Keeping it off the roads at night means its much more likely to be alive in the morning.

But then the alternative is even worse. Regulated capitalism is the only thing we can get to work!

Capitalism requires regulation, period. That's why no country in the world, not a single one, has unregulated capitalism.

Merely because parasites believe that they need friendly bureaucrats willing to steal, loot, plunder and confiscate does not mean that Capitalism needs regulation. The Parasites need the regulation Capitalism does not.

That is just utter nonsense. Go ask your mommy to make you a sandwich while you read the Fountainhead for the tenth time.

And BTW, many capitalist love regulations since they keep them in business. Those aren't capitalists in reality but they make plenty of bank so you'd love them anyway.

You're deliberately confusing the function "capitalist - one who controls and uses capital to produce goods and services" with the doctrine. The people you refer to are crony capitalists. They are socialists, in other words.

No, they are not Socialists. They are not good capitalists either but they make a shitload of dollars.

 

[bripat9643]

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

Do you know how we can easily tell when a statement is not a fact? You claim it's a fact.

Caring for your offspring is acting in your self interest. Your children are the means you use to transmit your genes to future generations. By caring for your children, you are simply protecting your genes. Notice that almost no one stays up all night caring for someone else's children.

Actually lots of people do, one because it's the right thing to do, if you're moral that is but you aren't so you won't get that, and two because lots of children are not carrying the genes of their parents. In your world you protect your biological children but say what the fuck about your adopted and step-children and that's not how it works. You've taken the Selfish Gene argument to the utterly stupid and made a rationalization of it. Even the guy who coined the term would say so.

When people take care of adopted children, it's because of the instinct nature instilled to care for your real children. It gets transferred to your adopted children. However, sociologists have noted that step parents almost never devote the same level of care to step children as they do to their real children. That's a documented fact.

The selfish gene is a fact. The species wouldn't be around if it weren't

The concept is fine, but your rationalization of it is not. There are lots of ways in life to get paid off but decent and moral adults have a balance however you, being an infant, have none. It's all about you and you couldn't care less about anyone else.

If you're getting "paid off" then you are acting selfishly. What is this "balance" you mention between?

I don't rationalize. People who claim they are acting altruistically are the ones doing the rationalizing.

I care about the people I care about. However, I don't give a fuck about a lot of people like you whom I consider to be harmful to my welfare.

 

[jc456]

Society isn't government, and the claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. In fact, it has already been disproven, but I won't go into that here.

Your opinion that being concerned with your own best interests is "immature" lacks any visible means of support.

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Bullshit. Capitalism in this country was almost entirely unregulated until FDR. The USA became the largest economy in the world in 1880.

"almost entirely unregulated" = it was regulated. Not as much as today, but regulated.

However the economy in those days was small compared to today, and a lot of people lost and won. The fact that the Great Depression happened when it did was a sign that the world had entered a new era of the economy.

 

[bripat9643]

But then the alternative is even worse. Regulated capitalism is the only thing we can get to work!

Capitalism requires regulation, period. That's why no country in the world, not a single one, has unregulated capitalism.

Merely because parasites believe that they need friendly bureaucrats willing to steal, loot, plunder and confiscate does not mean that Capitalism needs regulation. The Parasites need the regulation Capitalism does not.

That is just utter nonsense. Go ask your mommy to make you a sandwich while you read the Fountainhead for the tenth time.

And BTW, many capitalist love regulations since they keep them in business. Those aren't capitalists in reality but they make plenty of bank so you'd love them anyway.

You're deliberately confusing the function "capitalist - one who controls and uses capital to produce goods and services" with the doctrine. The people you refer to are crony capitalists. They are socialists, in other words.

No, they are not Socialists. They are not good capitalists either but they make a shitload of dollars.

They're the parasites Contumacious was referring to.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

Only to people who don't bug me for money after I donate, or to those on the streets, not the freeway jobbers. I also tip heavily. When the money flows at the bottom it's good for business.

 

[bripat9643]

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

I donate to political causes I support. I have given money to numerous people I have met who were in a tight spot, but I don't give money to "the community," which just means the local government.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

Do you know how we can easily tell when a statement is not a fact? You claim it's a fact.

Caring for your offspring is acting in your self interest. Your children are the means you use to transmit your genes to future generations. By caring for your children, you are simply protecting your genes. Notice that almost no one stays up all night caring for someone else's children.

Actually lots of people do, one because it's the right thing to do, if you're moral that is but you aren't so you won't get that, and two because lots of children are not carrying the genes of their parents. In your world you protect your biological children but say what the fuck about your adopted and step-children and that's not how it works. You've taken the Selfish Gene argument to the utterly stupid and made a rationalization of it. Even the guy who coined the term would say so.

When people take care of adopted children, it's because of the instinct nature instilled to care for your real children. It gets transferred to your adopted children. However, sociologists have noted that step parents almost never devote the same level of care to step children as they do to their real children. That's a documented fact.

The selfish gene is a fact. The species wouldn't be around if it weren't

The concept is fine, but your rationalization of it is not. There are lots of ways in life to get paid off but decent and moral adults have a balance however you, being an infant, have none. It's all about you and you couldn't care less about anyone else.

If you're getting "paid off" then you are acting selfishly. What is this "balance" you mention between?

I don't rationalize. People who claim they are acting altruistically are the ones doing the rationalizing.

I care about the people I care about. However, I don't give a fuck about a lot of people like you whom I consider to be harmful to my welfare.

You don't care about anything or anyone who you don't think can do you any good. You think like an infant. That's common here.

 

[bripat9643]

Do you know how we can easily tell when a statement is not a fact? You claim it's a fact.

Caring for your offspring is acting in your self interest. Your children are the means you use to transmit your genes to future generations. By caring for your children, you are simply protecting your genes. Notice that almost no one stays up all night caring for someone else's children.

Actually lots of people do, one because it's the right thing to do, if you're moral that is but you aren't so you won't get that, and two because lots of children are not carrying the genes of their parents. In your world you protect your biological children but say what the fuck about your adopted and step-children and that's not how it works. You've taken the Selfish Gene argument to the utterly stupid and made a rationalization of it. Even the guy who coined the term would say so.

When people take care of adopted children, it's because of the instinct nature instilled to care for your real children. It gets transferred to your adopted children. However, sociologists have noted that step parents almost never devote the same level of care to step children as they do to their real children. That's a documented fact.

The selfish gene is a fact. The species wouldn't be around if it weren't

The concept is fine, but your rationalization of it is not. There are lots of ways in life to get paid off but decent and moral adults have a balance however you, being an infant, have none. It's all about you and you couldn't care less about anyone else.

If you're getting "paid off" then you are acting selfishly. What is this "balance" you mention between?

I don't rationalize. People who claim they are acting altruistically are the ones doing the rationalizing.

I care about the people I care about. However, I don't give a fuck about a lot of people like you whom I consider to be harmful to my welfare.

You don't care about anything or anyone who you don't think can do you any good. You think like an infant. That's common here.

hmmm, no, that's how a mature adult thinks. Why should I care about people who are totally irrelevant to my life?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Actually lots of people do, one because it's the right thing to do, if you're moral that is but you aren't so you won't get that, and two because lots of children are not carrying the genes of their parents. In your world you protect your biological children but say what the fuck about your adopted and step-children and that's not how it works. You've taken the Selfish Gene argument to the utterly stupid and made a rationalization of it. Even the guy who coined the term would say so.

When people take care of adopted children, it's because of the instinct nature instilled to care for your real children. It gets transferred to your adopted children. However, sociologists have noted that step parents almost never devote the same level of care to step children as they do to their real children. That's a documented fact.

The selfish gene is a fact. The species wouldn't be around if it weren't

The concept is fine, but your rationalization of it is not. There are lots of ways in life to get paid off but decent and moral adults have a balance however you, being an infant, have none. It's all about you and you couldn't care less about anyone else.

If you're getting "paid off" then you are acting selfishly. What is this "balance" you mention between?

I don't rationalize. People who claim they are acting altruistically are the ones doing the rationalizing.

I care about the people I care about. However, I don't give a fuck about a lot of people like you whom I consider to be harmful to my welfare.

You don't care about anything or anyone who you don't think can do you any good. You think like an infant. That's common here.

hmmm, no, that's how a mature adult thinks. Why should I care about people who are totally irrelevant to my life?

Case in point, the thinking of an infant. Nothing matters beyond what does you some good, nothing at all.

 

[mudwhistle]

The OP misspelled Kenyan.....

 

[Contumacious]

I agree with most of what you say, however maybe you don't understand what I'm getting at. We can have an impact on the economy, and we do. However instead of trying to keep the economy stable, we let it rumble ahead and then it hits the wall and breaks. We could stop this happening, but we don't.

We've been keeping this house of cards alive for decades. We could let it run its course but we don't because the inevitable crash causes too much damage. The reality is capitalism is drunk teenager. Keeping it off the roads at night means its much more likely to be alive in the morning.

But then the alternative is even worse. Regulated capitalism is the only thing we can get to work!

Capitalism requires regulation, period. That's why no country in the world, not a single one, has unregulated capitalism.

Merely because parasites believe that they need friendly bureaucrats willing to steal, loot, plunder and confiscate does not mean that Capitalism needs regulation. The Parasites need the regulation Capitalism does not.

That is just utter nonsense. Go ask your mommy to make you a sandwich while you read the Fountainhead for the tenth time.

And BTW, many capitalist love regulations since they keep them in business. Those aren't capitalists in reality but they make plenty of bank so you'd love them anyway.

Merely because parasites believe that they need friendly bureaucrats willing to steal, loot, plunder and confiscate does not mean that Capitalism needs regulation. The Parasites need the regulation Capitalism does not.

Parasites are any individuals or entities which depends on government largesse for their subsistence.

such as war profiteers, ENRON, etc.

.

 

[bripat9643]

When people take care of adopted children, it's because of the instinct nature instilled to care for your real children. It gets transferred to your adopted children. However, sociologists have noted that step parents almost never devote the same level of care to step children as they do to their real children. That's a documented fact.

The selfish gene is a fact. The species wouldn't be around if it weren't

The concept is fine, but your rationalization of it is not. There are lots of ways in life to get paid off but decent and moral adults have a balance however you, being an infant, have none. It's all about you and you couldn't care less about anyone else.

If you're getting "paid off" then you are acting selfishly. What is this "balance" you mention between?

I don't rationalize. People who claim they are acting altruistically are the ones doing the rationalizing.

I care about the people I care about. However, I don't give a fuck about a lot of people like you whom I consider to be harmful to my welfare.

You don't care about anything or anyone who you don't think can do you any good. You think like an infant. That's common here.

hmmm, no, that's how a mature adult thinks. Why should I care about people who are totally irrelevant to my life?

Case in point, the thinking of an infant. Nothing matters beyond what does you some good, nothing at all.

You have failed to explain your theory that being selfish is immature.

 

[jc456]

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

Only to people who don't bug me for money after I donate, or to those on the streets, not the freeway jobbers. I also tip heavily. When the money flows at the bottom it's good for business.

do you donate time, clothes, or services?

 

[jc456]

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

Only to people who don't bug me for money after I donate, or to those on the streets, not the freeway jobbers. I also tip heavily. When the money flows at the bottom it's good for business.

BTW, who are those on the streets, Pan handlers? If that is your reference, you do them no good subsidizing their needs, that is a pure misconception. Are you of the belief that there do not have to be poor people? If you do, ask those from the slovakian nations how all that worked out. Regulation is nothing but a way to force balance, and forcing balance is a form of socialism. It is not capitalizm IMO

 

[PaintMyHouse]

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

Only to people who don't bug me for money after I donate, or to those on the streets, not the freeway jobbers. I also tip heavily. When the money flows at the bottom it's good for business.

do you donate time, clothes, or services?

All three, and I don't bother writing it off. For somebody who thinks humanity is a disease I'm a heck of a nice guy however, I'm a very honest one and that upsets people, like the morons here.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

Only to people who don't bug me for money after I donate, or to those on the streets, not the freeway jobbers. I also tip heavily. When the money flows at the bottom it's good for business.

BTW, who are those on the streets, Pan handlers? If that is your reference, you do them no good subsidizing their needs, that is a pure misconception. Are you of the belief that there do not have to be poor people? If you do, ask those from the slovakian nations how all that worked out. Regulation is nothing but a way to force balance, and forcing balance is a form of socialism. It is not capitalizm IMO

The poor will always be with us, capitalism guarantees that, and handing a buck to a guy on the street who needs a drink very worthy. He needs it more than you do.

 

[jc456]

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

Only to people who don't bug me for money after I donate, or to those on the streets, not the freeway jobbers. I also tip heavily. When the money flows at the bottom it's good for business.

do you donate time, clothes, or services?

All three, and I don't bother writing it off. For somebody who thinks humanity is a disease I'm a heck of a nice guy however, I'm a very honest one and that upsets people, like the morons here.

got it. You just come off brash and seem pompous because that is your intent!

 

[jc456]

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and fuck everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

curious if you donate, or give to your community, other than taxes?

Only to people who don't bug me for money after I donate, or to those on the streets, not the freeway jobbers. I also tip heavily. When the money flows at the bottom it's good for business.

BTW, who are those on the streets, Pan handlers? If that is your reference, you do them no good subsidizing their needs, that is a pure misconception. Are you of the belief that there do not have to be poor people? If you do, ask those from the slovakian nations how all that worked out. Regulation is nothing but a way to force balance, and forcing balance is a form of socialism. It is not capitalizm IMO

The poor will always be with us, capitalism guarantees that, and handing a buck to a guy on the street who needs a drink very worthy. He needs it more than you do.

but it's for your gratification, not his/ her.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The concept is fine, but your rationalization of it is not. There are lots of ways in life to get paid off but decent and moral adults have a balance however you, being an infant, have none. It's all about you and you couldn't care less about anyone else.

If you're getting "paid off" then you are acting selfishly. What is this "balance" you mention between?

I don't rationalize. People who claim they are acting altruistically are the ones doing the rationalizing.

I care about the people I care about. However, I don't give a fuck about a lot of people like you whom I consider to be harmful to my welfare.

You don't care about anything or anyone who you don't think can do you any good. You think like an infant. That's common here.

hmmm, no, that's how a mature adult thinks. Why should I care about people who are totally irrelevant to my life?

Case in point, the thinking of an infant. Nothing matters beyond what does you some good, nothing at all.

You have failed to explain your theory that being selfish is immature.

Moralists did that a few thousand years ago, you simply aren't moral so you reject their teachings.