Analyzing The Russia Collusion Myth

If the Trump team asks the Russki's to release some of H's classified emails from her bathroom server to win the election, is that "collusion"? Putin knew that the emails were golden if H won the election. Talk about blackmail...

Not sure. It's a hypothetical. What isn't is that a key advisor knew of Podesta being hacked 6 weeks beforehand

Link? You're saying a Trump advisor knew of Podesta getting hacked 6 weeks prior to it happening? I call BULLSHIT in capital letters cuz I think you're flat out lying.

The fact that Trump's campaign officials met with Russian gov't reps or intermediaries before or after the hacking proves absolutely nothing. It is highly likely the Russkies also met with people in the Clinton camp too. As did reps from most other major players did.

Just a few days ago in St Petersburg:

Megyn Kelly: President Putin, was this possibility ever discussed between the Trump team and your representatives prior to President Trump being inaugurated?

Vladimir Putin: Our ambassador met with someone. What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is what he gets paid for. He should have meetings, discussing current affairs, reaching agreements. What is he supposed to do there? Go to the kind of places that he will be fired for visiting? No. This is his job but he is being accused of meeting with someone. Are you nuts out there or what? This is diplomatic service. This is just amazing.

St Petersburg International Economic Forum plenary meeting

Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.
 
Not sure. It's a hypothetical. What isn't is that a key advisor knew of Podesta being hacked 6 weeks beforehand

Link? You're saying a Trump advisor knew of Podesta getting hacked 6 weeks prior to it happening? I call BULLSHIT in capital letters cuz I think you're flat out lying.

The fact that Trump's campaign officials met with Russian gov't reps or intermediaries before or after the hacking proves absolutely nothing. It is highly likely the Russkies also met with people in the Clinton camp too. As did reps from most other major players did.

Just a few days ago in St Petersburg:

Megyn Kelly: President Putin, was this possibility ever discussed between the Trump team and your representatives prior to President Trump being inaugurated?

Vladimir Putin: Our ambassador met with someone. What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is what he gets paid for. He should have meetings, discussing current affairs, reaching agreements. What is he supposed to do there? Go to the kind of places that he will be fired for visiting? No. This is his job but he is being accused of meeting with someone. Are you nuts out there or what? This is diplomatic service. This is just amazing.

St Petersburg International Economic Forum plenary meeting

Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Antonio, ask your "leaders" that very simple question, I bet a lot of people on USMB would be interested to know that.

But if there is NO law in your country, which forbids talking to Russians, then everything your "leaders" have been doing reminds a theater of political absurd or just a political schizophrenia.

Putin accuses America of 'political schizophrenia'
 
Not sure. It's a hypothetical. What isn't is that a key advisor knew of Podesta being hacked 6 weeks beforehand

Link? You're saying a Trump advisor knew of Podesta getting hacked 6 weeks prior to it happening? I call BULLSHIT in capital letters cuz I think you're flat out lying.

The fact that Trump's campaign officials met with Russian gov't reps or intermediaries before or after the hacking proves absolutely nothing. It is highly likely the Russkies also met with people in the Clinton camp too. As did reps from most other major players did.

Just a few days ago in St Petersburg:

Megyn Kelly: President Putin, was this possibility ever discussed between the Trump team and your representatives prior to President Trump being inaugurated?

Vladimir Putin: Our ambassador met with someone. What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is what he gets paid for. He should have meetings, discussing current affairs, reaching agreements. What is he supposed to do there? Go to the kind of places that he will be fired for visiting? No. This is his job but he is being accused of meeting with someone. Are you nuts out there or what? This is diplomatic service. This is just amazing.

St Petersburg International Economic Forum plenary meeting

Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Well then, it should be no problem for you to provide a link that says it is a FACT that Flynn talked with Kysliak about sanctions. And a link that says it is a FACT that anyone else connected with the Trump campaign talked with Kysliak or any other Russian official that represents the Russian gov't about sanctions or discussed any other illegal subject. So what if they talked, that is not illegal. What have you got that says otherwise, or I'd have to conclude you and Candycorn are both full of crap. You may of course offer your opinions about what was said and who talked to who, but so far as I know nobody from the Trump campaign has committed a crime. And THAT is a FACT.
 
Link? You're saying a Trump advisor knew of Podesta getting hacked 6 weeks prior to it happening? I call BULLSHIT in capital letters cuz I think you're flat out lying.

The fact that Trump's campaign officials met with Russian gov't reps or intermediaries before or after the hacking proves absolutely nothing. It is highly likely the Russkies also met with people in the Clinton camp too. As did reps from most other major players did.

Just a few days ago in St Petersburg:

Megyn Kelly: President Putin, was this possibility ever discussed between the Trump team and your representatives prior to President Trump being inaugurated?

Vladimir Putin: Our ambassador met with someone. What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is what he gets paid for. He should have meetings, discussing current affairs, reaching agreements. What is he supposed to do there? Go to the kind of places that he will be fired for visiting? No. This is his job but he is being accused of meeting with someone. Are you nuts out there or what? This is diplomatic service. This is just amazing.

St Petersburg International Economic Forum plenary meeting

Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".

Get it moron? Or will we have to go over this a few more times?
 
Just a few days ago in St Petersburg:

Megyn Kelly: President Putin, was this possibility ever discussed between the Trump team and your representatives prior to President Trump being inaugurated?

Vladimir Putin: Our ambassador met with someone. What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is what he gets paid for. He should have meetings, discussing current affairs, reaching agreements. What is he supposed to do there? Go to the kind of places that he will be fired for visiting? No. This is his job but he is being accused of meeting with someone. Are you nuts out there or what? This is diplomatic service. This is just amazing.

St Petersburg International Economic Forum plenary meeting

Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".


Get it moron?

Asshole, where's your proof that the Logan Act was broken? An unnamed source? Please. An act for which nobody has ever been prosecuted in over 200 effing years? Please.
 
Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".


Get it moron?

Asshole, where's your proof that the Logan Act was broken? An unnamed source? Please. An act for which nobody has ever been prosecuted in over 200 effing years? Please.


How many times do we have to go over the fact that Flynn was caught lying about discussing sanctions and it was illegal to do so?

Maybe 5 more times?

Flynn

RECORDED

Speaking

to Kysliak

about Sanctions.

What the fuck don't you understand?
 
You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".


Get it moron?

Asshole, where's your proof that the Logan Act was broken? An unnamed source? Please. An act for which nobody has ever been prosecuted in over 200 effing years? Please.


How many times do we have to go over the fact that Flynn was caught lying about discussing sanctions and it was illegal to do so?

Maybe 5 more times?

Flynn

RECORDED

Speaking

to Kysliak

about Sanctions.

What the fuck don't you understand?

You don't have a link, do you? Clearly you are taking an unsupported charge and labeling it as fact. I understand that much.
 
YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".


Get it moron?

Asshole, where's your proof that the Logan Act was broken? An unnamed source? Please. An act for which nobody has ever been prosecuted in over 200 effing years? Please.


How many times do we have to go over the fact that Flynn was caught lying about discussing sanctions and it was illegal to do so?

Maybe 5 more times?

Flynn

RECORDED

Speaking

to Kysliak

about Sanctions.

What the fuck don't you understand?

You don't have a link, do you? Clearly you are taking an unsupported charge and labeling it as fact. I understand that much.

YES I DO HAVE LINK retard, just as anyone with basic google skizzles does:

National security adviser Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador, despite denials, officials say
 
Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".


Get it moron?

Asshole, where's your proof that the Logan Act was broken? An unnamed source? Please. An act for which nobody has ever been prosecuted in over 200 effing years? Please.


How many times do we have to go over the fact that Flynn was caught lying about discussing sanctions and it was illegal to do so?

Maybe 5 more times?

Flynn

RECORDED

Speaking

to Kysliak

about Sanctions.

What the fuck don't you understand?

You don't have a link, do you? Clearly you are taking an unsupported charge and labeling it as fact. I understand that much.

YES I DO HAVE LINK retard, just as anyone with basic google skizzles does:

National security adviser Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador, despite denials, officials say

Couldn't open the link, but other links including the NY Times around the same time write about 9 current or former gov't officials. UNNAMED current and former gov't officials, coulda been 9 democrats or anti-Trumpers lying their asses off. That doesn't make it a fact that Flynn violated the Logan Act. You are very careless with that FACT word.
 
Just a few days ago in St Petersburg:

Megyn Kelly: President Putin, was this possibility ever discussed between the Trump team and your representatives prior to President Trump being inaugurated?

Vladimir Putin: Our ambassador met with someone. What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is what he gets paid for. He should have meetings, discussing current affairs, reaching agreements. What is he supposed to do there? Go to the kind of places that he will be fired for visiting? No. This is his job but he is being accused of meeting with someone. Are you nuts out there or what? This is diplomatic service. This is just amazing.

St Petersburg International Economic Forum plenary meeting

Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".

Get it moron? Or will we have to go over this a few more times?


So...since obama, the candidate, sent his people to talk with Iran, before he was elected...Andy told them not to make an agreement with Bush...because Obama would give them a better deal.........you are saying he broke the Loan act and should be arrested...right? ANd that actually did happen......genius.
 
Just a few days ago in St Petersburg:

Megyn Kelly: President Putin, was this possibility ever discussed between the Trump team and your representatives prior to President Trump being inaugurated?

Vladimir Putin: Our ambassador met with someone. What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is what he gets paid for. He should have meetings, discussing current affairs, reaching agreements. What is he supposed to do there? Go to the kind of places that he will be fired for visiting? No. This is his job but he is being accused of meeting with someone. Are you nuts out there or what? This is diplomatic service. This is just amazing.

St Petersburg International Economic Forum plenary meeting

Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".

Get it moron? Or will we have to go over this a few more times?


So....you are saying obama and his people need to be arrested for violating the Logan Act...right? Since they actually did...

How Barack Obama Undercut Bush Administration's Nuclear Negotiations With Iran

The Iranians held firm to their position, perhaps because they knew that help was on the way, in the form of a new president. Barack Obama had clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3. At some point either before or after that date, but prior to the election, he secretly let the Iranians know that he would be much easier to bargain with than President Bush. Michael Ledeen reported the story last year:

During his first presidential campaign in 2008, Mr. Obama used a secret back channel to Tehran to assure the mullahs that he was a friend of the Islamic Republic, and that they would be very happy with his policies. The secret channel was Ambassador William G. Miller, who served in Iran during the shah’s rule, as chief of staff for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and as ambassador to Ukraine. Ambassador Miller has confirmed to me his conversations with Iranian leaders during the 2008 campaign.

So Obama secretly told the mullahs not to make a deal until he assumed the presidency, when they would be able to make a better agreement. Which is exactly what happened: Obama abandoned the requirement that Iran stop enriching uranium, so that Iran’s nuclear program has sped ahead over the months and years that negotiations have dragged on. When an interim agreement in the form of a “Joint Plan of Action” was announced in late 2013, Iran’s leaders exulted in the fact that the West had acknowledged its right to continue its uranium enrichment program:
 
Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".


Get it moron?

Asshole, where's your proof that the Logan Act was broken? An unnamed source? Please. An act for which nobody has ever been prosecuted in over 200 effing years? Please.


How many times do we have to go over the fact that Flynn was caught lying about discussing sanctions and it was illegal to do so?

Maybe 5 more times?

Flynn

RECORDED

Speaking

to Kysliak

about Sanctions.

What the fuck don't you understand?

You don't have a link, do you? Clearly you are taking an unsupported charge and labeling it as fact. I understand that much.

YES I DO HAVE LINK retard, just as anyone with basic google skizzles does:

National security adviser Flynn discussed sanctions with Russian ambassador, despite denials, officials say

Couldn't open the link, but other links including the NY Times around the same time write about 9 current or former gov't officials. UNNAMED current and former gov't officials, coulda been 9 democrats or anti-Trumpers lying their asses off. That doesn't make it a fact that Flynn violated the Logan Act. You are very careless with that FACT word.


And if this did happen.......he has no idea what was said.....the odds are? The Russian broached the subject and Flynn declined to respond...perhaps like comey, he didn't know what to say....felt queasy, and just stared lovingly into the eyes of the Russian Ambassador....over the phone....the way comey did to Trump....Right?
 
Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.

You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".

Get it moron? Or will we have to go over this a few more times?


So....you are saying obama and his people need to be arrested for violating the Logan Act...right? Since they actually did...

How Barack Obama Undercut Bush Administration's Nuclear Negotiations With Iran

The Iranians held firm to their position, perhaps because they knew that help was on the way, in the form of a new president. Barack Obama had clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3. At some point either before or after that date, but prior to the election, he secretly let the Iranians know that he would be much easier to bargain with than President Bush. Michael Ledeen reported the story last year:

During his first presidential campaign in 2008, Mr. Obama used a secret back channel to Tehran to assure the mullahs that he was a friend of the Islamic Republic, and that they would be very happy with his policies. The secret channel was Ambassador William G. Miller, who served in Iran during the shah’s rule, as chief of staff for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and as ambassador to Ukraine. Ambassador Miller has confirmed to me his conversations with Iranian leaders during the 2008 campaign.

So Obama secretly told the mullahs not to make a deal until he assumed the presidency, when they would be able to make a better agreement. Which is exactly what happened: Obama abandoned the requirement that Iran stop enriching uranium, so that Iran’s nuclear program has sped ahead over the months and years that negotiations have dragged on. When an interim agreement in the form of a “Joint Plan of Action” was announced in late 2013, Iran’s leaders exulted in the fact that the West had acknowledged its right to continue its uranium enrichment program:

Yea, totally. Sue him.....now where were we before this deflection?
 
You don't now that, you and Candycorn are both full of crap. So they met and talked, how the hell would either of you know what was discussed? Answer: you don't, so you make shit up.

YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".

Get it moron? Or will we have to go over this a few more times?


So....you are saying obama and his people need to be arrested for violating the Logan Act...right? Since they actually did...

How Barack Obama Undercut Bush Administration's Nuclear Negotiations With Iran

The Iranians held firm to their position, perhaps because they knew that help was on the way, in the form of a new president. Barack Obama had clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3. At some point either before or after that date, but prior to the election, he secretly let the Iranians know that he would be much easier to bargain with than President Bush. Michael Ledeen reported the story last year:

During his first presidential campaign in 2008, Mr. Obama used a secret back channel to Tehran to assure the mullahs that he was a friend of the Islamic Republic, and that they would be very happy with his policies. The secret channel was Ambassador William G. Miller, who served in Iran during the shah’s rule, as chief of staff for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and as ambassador to Ukraine. Ambassador Miller has confirmed to me his conversations with Iranian leaders during the 2008 campaign.

So Obama secretly told the mullahs not to make a deal until he assumed the presidency, when they would be able to make a better agreement. Which is exactly what happened: Obama abandoned the requirement that Iran stop enriching uranium, so that Iran’s nuclear program has sped ahead over the months and years that negotiations have dragged on. When an interim agreement in the form of a “Joint Plan of Action” was announced in late 2013, Iran’s leaders exulted in the fact that the West had acknowledged its right to continue its uranium enrichment program:

Yea, totally. Sue him.....now where were we before this deflection?



The evidence is that Putin wanted the career criminal to win....not Trump.

Evidence.
 
The evidence is that Putin wanted the career criminal to win....not Trump.

Evidence.

You are fucking crazy.

That's what it takes to know, what I know you know somewhere in that crazy mousetrap that is your head and say what you just did about Putin preferring Clinton to win.

Putin hated Clinton's guts for riling up opposition against him in his elections and for smashing Russian economy into recession with the economic sanctions for their Ukrainian adventures.
 
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Clearly there was meetings between Trump’s administration and high level Russian official at a time when Russia was clearly trying to influence our elections.

Does it rise to the level of collusion… Probably. They investigation continues. If I was this new FBI director though, I’d keep the rental and not buy a house yet; he may have to be fired too.
If the Trump team asks the Russki's to release some of H's classified emails from her bathroom server to win the election, is that "collusion"? Putin knew that the emails were golden if H won the election. Talk about blackmail...

Not sure. It's a hypothetical. What isn't is that a key advisor knew of Podesta being hacked 6 weeks beforehand

Link? You're saying a Trump advisor knew of Podesta getting hacked 6 weeks prior to it happening? I call BULLSHIT in capital letters cuz I think you're flat out lying.

The fact that Trump's campaign officials met with Russian gov't reps or intermediaries before or after the hacking proves absolutely nothing. It is highly likely the Russkies also met with people in the Clinton camp too. As did reps from most other major players did.

Just a few days ago in St Petersburg:

Megyn Kelly: President Putin, was this possibility ever discussed between the Trump team and your representatives prior to President Trump being inaugurated?

Vladimir Putin: Our ambassador met with someone. What should an ambassador do? That is his job. That is what he gets paid for. He should have meetings, discussing current affairs, reaching agreements. What is he supposed to do there? Go to the kind of places that he will be fired for visiting? No. This is his job but he is being accused of meeting with someone. Are you nuts out there or what? This is diplomatic service. This is just amazing.

St Petersburg International Economic Forum plenary meeting

Putin is perhaps ignorant of American law that makes it ILLEGAL for campaigns and President-elects to undermine current president's foreign policy.

Ambassadors can meet BUT NOT TO DISCUSS AMERICAN SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA.

The lying, the coverup and recorded conversation of Flynn and Kysliak suggests that's EXACTLY what they were discussing.
and Director Mueller will get to the bottom of it contrary to what PoliSpice (OP) says
 
You have no proof of collusions not in sworn testimony or physical evidence. It's time to accept the fact once again you have nothing!

They said the same thing about Einsteins theory of relativity, Peter Higgs and his boson. GIve Mueller and the intelligence committees finish their investigation before declaring no evidence.
yeah Too 14 sheesh!!! :eusa_doh: This is why he and PoliSpice (OP) want to cut the investigation early
 
YES I DO KNOW THAT.

ILLEGAL to negotiate on sanctions - thats a FACT.
Flynn was lying about conversation with Kysliak about sanctions - that too is a FACT.
Others around Trump getting caught lying about talking to Russians - again, FACT.

Try to post something sane as a response.

Since when talking to Russians has become a sin and a violation of a law?

Retard, what part of Logan's act don't you understand?

The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

Trump's campaign, prior to Jan 21, 2017 were such 'unauthorized citizens" for whom it was illegal to "negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.".

Get it moron? Or will we have to go over this a few more times?


So....you are saying obama and his people need to be arrested for violating the Logan Act...right? Since they actually did...

How Barack Obama Undercut Bush Administration's Nuclear Negotiations With Iran

The Iranians held firm to their position, perhaps because they knew that help was on the way, in the form of a new president. Barack Obama had clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3. At some point either before or after that date, but prior to the election, he secretly let the Iranians know that he would be much easier to bargain with than President Bush. Michael Ledeen reported the story last year:

During his first presidential campaign in 2008, Mr. Obama used a secret back channel to Tehran to assure the mullahs that he was a friend of the Islamic Republic, and that they would be very happy with his policies. The secret channel was Ambassador William G. Miller, who served in Iran during the shah’s rule, as chief of staff for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and as ambassador to Ukraine. Ambassador Miller has confirmed to me his conversations with Iranian leaders during the 2008 campaign.

So Obama secretly told the mullahs not to make a deal until he assumed the presidency, when they would be able to make a better agreement. Which is exactly what happened: Obama abandoned the requirement that Iran stop enriching uranium, so that Iran’s nuclear program has sped ahead over the months and years that negotiations have dragged on. When an interim agreement in the form of a “Joint Plan of Action” was announced in late 2013, Iran’s leaders exulted in the fact that the West had acknowledged its right to continue its uranium enrichment program:

Yea, totally. Sue him.....now where were we before this deflection?



The evidence is that Putin wanted the career criminal to win....not Trump.

Evidence.
whats the big diff between a criminal and a grifter PoliSpice? Donnie has left many middle class workers holding- the- bag when his developments don't go as planned. He's also known for threatening to sue when people tell the truth about him but he ever follows- through w/his threats.
 
The evidence is that Putin wanted the career criminal to win....not Trump.

Evidence.

You are fucking crazy.

That's what it takes to know, what I know you know somewhere in that crazy mousetrap that is your head and say what you just did about Putin preferring Clinton to win.

Putin hated Clinton's guts for riling up opposition against him in his elections and for smashing Russian economy into recession with the economic sanctions for their Ukrainian adventures.



And, the famed Liberal white flag: vulgarity.

Clearly, I've hit a nerve.
 

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