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ARCHAEOLOGY
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Yeah, big fucking surprise
I thought I knew about anomalies and archaeological sites but what I saw last night on the History channel floored me.
Located near Tiauanco, which is mysterious enough in itself, is a site know as Puma Punku. The stones weigh up to 400 tons and are cut with precision that is far beyond the capabilities of the Geico Caveman.
Again, another civilization that built monolithic structures that show a total disregard for gravity.
The site lays in ruins so it's anyone's guess how old it is. 15,000 years not being unreasonable.
YouTube - Great Pyramids vs Puma Punku
Interesting coincidence, this thread appears on the anniversary of the discovery of the remains of the Kennewick Man.
Kennewick Man is the name for the skeletal remains of a prehistoric man found on a bank of the Columbia River in Kennewick, Washington, USA on July 28, 1996. The discovery of Kennewick Man was accidental: a pair of spectators (Will Thomas and David Deacy) found his skull while attending the annual hydroplane races.[1]
The remains became embroiled in debates about the relationship between Native American religious rights, archaeology and other interested stakeholders.[2][3] Based on the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), five Native American groups (the Nez Perce, Umatilla, Yakama, Wanapum, and Colville) claimed the remains as theirs, to be buried by traditional means. Only the Umatilla tribe continued further court proceedings. In February 2004, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that a cultural link between the tribes and the skeleton was not met, allowing scientific study of the remains to continue.[4] The discovery of Kennewick Man, along with other ancient skeletons, has furthered scientific debate over the exact origin and history of early Native American people."
Kennewick Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The find has interesting political ramifications, as the Native American tribes want the bones buried, and there be no question as to who the first Americans were.
"The remains of one of the oldest North Americans ever found have been recovered in Washington state. The 9,300-year old skeleton is 90% complete and belongs to a Caucasian male about five foot ten inches tall.The Indians had no explanation as to how one of their "ancestors" could be Caucasian. At stake at the center of this controversy is the rewriting of American pre-Columbian history--sooner rather than later. "
Kennewick Man or Dead "Indians" Don't Lie - Essay by Louis Beam
Calling Charlie Bass.
ARCHAEOLOGY
A publication of the Archaeological Institute of America
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Your search for puma punku did not produce any results.
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Yeah, big fucking surprise
ARCHAEOLOGY
A publication of the Archaeological Institute of America
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Yeah, big fucking surprise
Try 'Puma Punku, jstor'
I thought I knew about anomalies and archaeological sites but what I saw last night on the History channel floored me.
Located near Tiauanco, which is mysterious enough in itself, is a site know as Puma Punku. The stones weigh up to 400 tons and are cut with precision that is far beyond the capabilities of the Geico Caveman.
Again, another civilization that built monolithic structures that show a total disregard for gravity.
The site lays in ruins so it's anyone's guess how old it is. 15,000 years not being unreasonable.
YouTube - Great Pyramids vs Puma Punku
Interesting coincidence, this thread appears on the anniversary of the discovery of the remains of the Kennewick Man.
Kennewick Man is the name for the skeletal remains of a prehistoric man found on a bank of the Columbia River in Kennewick, Washington, USA on July 28, 1996. The discovery of Kennewick Man was accidental: a pair of spectators (Will Thomas and David Deacy) found his skull while attending the annual hydroplane races.[1]
The remains became embroiled in debates about the relationship between Native American religious rights, archaeology and other interested stakeholders.[2][3] Based on the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), five Native American groups (the Nez Perce, Umatilla, Yakama, Wanapum, and Colville) claimed the remains as theirs, to be buried by traditional means. Only the Umatilla tribe continued further court proceedings. In February 2004, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that a cultural link between the tribes and the skeleton was not met, allowing scientific study of the remains to continue.[4] The discovery of Kennewick Man, along with other ancient skeletons, has furthered scientific debate over the exact origin and history of early Native American people."
Kennewick Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The find has interesting political ramifications, as the Native American tribes want the bones buried, and there be no question as to who the first Americans were.
"The remains of one of the oldest North Americans ever found have been recovered in Washington state. The 9,300-year old skeleton is 90% complete and belongs to a Caucasian male about five foot ten inches tall.The Indians had no explanation as to how one of their "ancestors" could be Caucasian. At stake at the center of this controversy is the rewriting of American pre-Columbian history--sooner rather than later. "
Kennewick Man or Dead "Indians" Don't Lie - Essay by Louis Beam
Calling Charlie Bass.
No, he was not European.
Kennewick Man Skeletal Find May Revolutionalize Continent's History
What the experts were able to ascertain from their brief encounter with Kennewick is that he did not look like a Native American. In fact, Berryman says Kennewicks facial features are most similar to those of a Japanese group called the Ainu, who have a different physical makeup and cultural background from the ethnic Japanese.
Some Ainus facial features appear European. Their eyes may lack the Asian almond-shaped appearance, and their hair may be light and curly in color. However, this does not mean that Kennewick Man necessarily was European in origin. His features more closely resemble those of the natives of the Pacific Rim than those of Native Americans
Tiwanaku and PumaPunku are 2 totally different cities. Your article discusses Tiwanaku of which I'm well aware. The OP is about a city that must predate Tiwanku because, well it's it ruins, so whatever disaster befell it would have leveled Tiwanaku as well.
Also, I've been searching to see it anyone can accurately how far back in antiquity you'd have to go to have Titicaca lap on the shoreline of Puma Punku since part of the remaining structure is obviously a dock.
My statement about a "total disregard for gravity" is merely how I continue to express my amazement at how ancient civilizations could handle stone weighing as much as 1,000 tons as they do at Baalbek.
I thought I knew about anomalies and archaeological sites but what I saw last night on the History channel floored me.
Located near Tiauanco, which is mysterious enough in itself, is a site know as Puma Punku. The stones weigh up to 400 tons and are cut with precision that is far beyond the capabilities of the Geico Caveman.
Again, another civilization that built monolithic structures that show a total disregard for gravity.
The site lays in ruins so it's anyone's guess how old it is. 15,000 years not being unreasonable.
YouTube - Great Pyramids vs Puma Punku
Interesting coincidence, this thread appears on the anniversary of the discovery of the remains of the Kennewick Man.
Kennewick Man is the name for the skeletal remains of a prehistoric man found on a bank of the Columbia River in Kennewick, Washington, USA on July 28, 1996. The discovery of Kennewick Man was accidental: a pair of spectators (Will Thomas and David Deacy) found his skull while attending the annual hydroplane races.[1]
The remains became embroiled in debates about the relationship between Native American religious rights, archaeology and other interested stakeholders.[2][3] Based on the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), five Native American groups (the Nez Perce, Umatilla, Yakama, Wanapum, and Colville) claimed the remains as theirs, to be buried by traditional means. Only the Umatilla tribe continued further court proceedings. In February 2004, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that a cultural link between the tribes and the skeleton was not met, allowing scientific study of the remains to continue.[4] The discovery of Kennewick Man, along with other ancient skeletons, has furthered scientific debate over the exact origin and history of early Native American people."
Kennewick Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The find has interesting political ramifications, as the Native American tribes want the bones buried, and there be no question as to who the first Americans were.
"The remains of one of the oldest North Americans ever found have been recovered in Washington state. The 9,300-year old skeleton is 90% complete and belongs to a Caucasian male about five foot ten inches tall.The Indians had no explanation as to how one of their "ancestors" could be Caucasian. At stake at the center of this controversy is the rewriting of American pre-Columbian history--sooner rather than later. "
Kennewick Man or Dead "Indians" Don't Lie - Essay by Louis Beam
Calling Charlie Bass.
Interesting coincidence, this thread appears on the anniversary of the discovery of the remains of the Kennewick Man.
Kennewick Man is the name for the skeletal remains of a prehistoric man found on a bank of the Columbia River in Kennewick, Washington, USA on July 28, 1996. The discovery of Kennewick Man was accidental: a pair of spectators (Will Thomas and David Deacy) found his skull while attending the annual hydroplane races.[1]
The remains became embroiled in debates about the relationship between Native American religious rights, archaeology and other interested stakeholders.[2][3] Based on the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), five Native American groups (the Nez Perce, Umatilla, Yakama, Wanapum, and Colville) claimed the remains as theirs, to be buried by traditional means. Only the Umatilla tribe continued further court proceedings. In February 2004, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that a cultural link between the tribes and the skeleton was not met, allowing scientific study of the remains to continue.[4] The discovery of Kennewick Man, along with other ancient skeletons, has furthered scientific debate over the exact origin and history of early Native American people."
Kennewick Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The find has interesting political ramifications, as the Native American tribes want the bones buried, and there be no question as to who the first Americans were.
"The remains of one of the oldest North Americans ever found have been recovered in Washington state. The 9,300-year old skeleton is 90% complete and belongs to a Caucasian male about five foot ten inches tall.The Indians had no explanation as to how one of their "ancestors" could be Caucasian. At stake at the center of this controversy is the rewriting of American pre-Columbian history--sooner rather than later. "
Kennewick Man or Dead "Indians" Don't Lie - Essay by Louis Beam
Calling Charlie Bass.
No, he was not European.
Kennewick Man Skeletal Find May Revolutionalize Continent's History
What the experts were able to ascertain from their brief encounter with Kennewick is that he did not look like a Native American. In fact, Berryman says Kennewicks facial features are most similar to those of a Japanese group called the Ainu, who have a different physical makeup and cultural background from the ethnic Japanese.
Some Ainus facial features appear European. Their eyes may lack the Asian almond-shaped appearance, and their hair may be light and curly in color. However, this does not mean that Kennewick Man necessarily was European in origin. His features more closely resemble those of the natives of the Pacific Rim than those of Native Americans
UPDATE:
We have been informed that the bones were, in fact, not buried with the remaining artifacts and have been handed over to the safekeeping of a University until the petitions for further study can be heard and a decision on their ultimate use will made. The Clinton administration, keeping a very low profile, has been trying to align itself with the Native American concerns, but also now has been made aware of the importance of Kennewick Man to science. Inside sources tell Viewzone that the eventual examination of these remains will prove that it is Caucasian and, as such, DNA analyses and detailed forensic research now looks hopeful.
Kennewick Man: caught in the middle again.
and this from July 2007:
If Kennewick Man had the features of a Mongoloid (Asian), then little doubt would remain but he didnt have Mongoloid features, he had the features of a Caucasian which begs future testing. The Indian tribes could have a lot at stake here if it was ultimately proven Caucasians had been in America first... or even if they arrived about the same time. Perhaps this suggests the real reason behind the tribes claim... they want to 'bury the evidence'. If, however, testable samples were extracted and preserved for future DNA testing, and if the results substantiated the Kennewick Man was Caucasian... then the exasperated soul could be destined to another re-burial somewhere else. Surely not permanently however, with the snowballing effect of politically correctness, those of English heritage will soon be buried all in one place, those of Germans heritage in another, and so on and so forth. Of course then, cowboys would be forced into being buried with city-slickers and Democrats with Republicans. At any rate, the business of grave-moving is sure to flourish in the coming years.
The Caveman from Washington State
and from your post, dated 2006:
"Some Ainus facial features appear European. Their eyes may lack the Asian almond-shaped appearance, and their hair may be light and curly in color. However, this does not mean that Kennewick Man necessarily was European in origin."
So, he could be Caucasian? Then why your answer in bold? What makes you so incensed that he could be a whitey?
I get such a kick out of libs.
Did you note the reference to 380 bones in the article?
Did you know that human adults have 206 bones?
BTW, was the hypothesis based on DNA analysis or facial reconstruction?
Important because facial reconstrution is a 'guess.'
"This method is often used as a last resort to identify the skeletal remains of an unidentified person, and it suffers from an ongoing skepticism caused by the advent of the personal computer and modern software technology. There are numerous techniques to sculpture a face onto the skull, all of which rely on the reproduction of a potentially recognizable face using the published soft tissue thicknesses in different racial groups (Phillips and Smuts 1996; Rhine and Campbell 1980; Rhine, Moore, and Weston 1982; Suzuki 1948).
"For liberals, feeling passes for knowing." (Me)
Spare me the insults, I read the whole fucking article. It's like calling New York and New Jersey the same place because they're close by each other.
Well, he did answer it. He suggests that anyone who sees chinese and afrcians and elephants are all crackpots because it's not there. Today's vocabulary word is "pareidolia". People "see" aliens and spaceships in ancient writing or drawing all the time. It's what they want to see, like Jesus cheetos or the many faces (and even Kermit the Frog) on MarsBut you notice, she does not address the question! How do you account for images of Chinese and Africans in pre-historic Bolivia?
Also, when, oh when, oh when, was Titcaca 10 miles bigger to put Puma Punku on the its shoreline? I've not seen an answer to that yet, but I'm still looking.
Oh my! You're right! Just like Michigan Central Station in Detroit could not be part of the city of Detroit. Just look at it, it's falling apart while Detroit is still an actively occupied city. And look, MCS was a huge structure.They have to be 2 different sites because one is in total ruins and the other isn't! How many times must I state the 2 big facts about Puma Punku:
1. It's a megalithic site, but it is in ruins so something REALLY BIG must have happened, ahs
2. It's a dock so it must have been built when Titicaca was 10 miles bigger! When was that?
Thank you for proving my point. This picture from the Museum of Hoaxes presented as evidence for claims that are keeping company with these ideas about Tiwanaku. They were presented together.
I looked at several sites, and the only one that I saw that dated the structure had it dated at 500 AD. Since it seems to be a wharf of some sort, dating the time that it would have been on the lake shore would provide a aproximate date for the structure. Looking at some of the pictures, I noted depressions in the stones where they would have set on top of each other much like those at the Partheon. Form and function. As far as the weight of the stones, there are many megalithic structures in the world that have stones of this size. But only a few where the finish is this nice.
That area of Bolivia is extremely geologically active, many large earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions. There should be some associated ash falls that would provide a date for this structure.
Thank you for posting this information, this is a structure that I was not previously aware of.
This is a pretty interesting book that covers quite a bit about ancient structures, Amazon.com: Fingerprints of the Gods (0045863887290): Graham Hancock: Books it's worth reading if you are interested in this sort of thing.
I didn't even see this post when I posted my own comment just a minute ago
I looked at several sites, and the only one that I saw that dated the structure had it dated at 500 AD. Since it seems to be a wharf of some sort, dating the time that it would have been on the lake shore would provide a aproximate date for the structure. Looking at some of the pictures, I noted depressions in the stones where they would have set on top of each other much like those at the Partheon. Form and function. As far as the weight of the stones, there are many megalithic structures in the world that have stones of this size. But only a few where the finish is this nice.
That area of Bolivia is extremely geologically active, many large earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions. There should be some associated ash falls that would provide a date for this structure.
Thank you for posting this information, this is a structure that I was not previously aware of.
I have a book at home, I'll have to pull it out tonight to quote the relevent portions about dating, it's called Fingerprint of the Gods. It agrees with the dating that Frank brought up. It is fascinating.
I looked at several sites, and the only one that I saw that dated the structure had it dated at 500 AD. Since it seems to be a wharf of some sort, dating the time that it would have been on the lake shore would provide a aproximate date for the structure. Looking at some of the pictures, I noted depressions in the stones where they would have set on top of each other much like those at the Partheon. Form and function. As far as the weight of the stones, there are many megalithic structures in the world that have stones of this size. But only a few where the finish is this nice.
That area of Bolivia is extremely geologically active, many large earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions. There should be some associated ash falls that would provide a date for this structure.
Thank you for posting this information, this is a structure that I was not previously aware of.
I have a book at home, I'll have to pull it out tonight to quote the relevent portions about dating, it's called Fingerprint of the Gods. It agrees with the dating that Frank brought up. It is fascinating.
Yeah, that book has a giggle factor among actual archaeologists, geologists, and scientific researchers. You see, Hancock makes statements in it like, "we were just beginning to make headway with the deciphering of their (Mayan) intricate heiroglyphics". But actual researchers had already translated about 90% of Mayan heiroglyphics. Just a quick glance at a book published 3 years before Fingerprints called Breaking the Mayan Code would have informed Mr. Hancock of this.
Additionally, his crustal shift theory has been discredited. At first he was given some consideration, but geological testing demonstrated that antarctica has been near the south pole for the last 100 million years or so, and antarctica has been covered with ice for an bare minimum of 160,000 years. Evidence of flora and fauna do not match his predictions either.
Hancock has also written books about a martian civilization that built the famous "face" on Mars along with Hoagland. Despite NASA saying from the beginning that the face was simply an illusion due to shadows and poor resolution, these guys took the photos and constructed an elaborate Martian culture which communicated with ancient earth. Of course, when we sent better instruments to photograph Mars, it was proven to be just a hill- like NASA claimed in the first place.
It's ok to find these guys interesting- just like the history channel, or discovery channel- just realize they are out to make a profit through sensationalism and are not really interested in quality, accurate scientific investigation. That's why Hancock states concerning updates in his later edition of Fingerprints,
Writing new books, rather than going back to tamper with books already written, is also the way I prefer to respond to criticisms of my work. . . . I am proud of this book and continue to stand by it despite the unremitting hostility and criticisms of academics.
A good scientists would either address the criticisms with detailed data and analysis or alter their hypothesis if the criticisms were valid. Of course, a good scientist would have submitted his hypotheses to peer reviewed journals first to have them critiqued, rather than reaching for a public audience with limited knowledge in the field.
The funny thing about these many archeologic dig sites that quote about precision fitting stones is this:
There is no evidence of technology as far as metalurgy, cutting tools of very precise and advanced construction.......?
The Great pyramid's multi-ton blocks fit together with a precision that baffles archeologists.
Folks, the Romans invented concrete over 2,000 years ago, and then the formula was lost until the last few hundred years. Did the Romans have cars, and flying machines.............Nada!
Man is quite adept at making some precision carvings, and stone chipping with very crude tools. It just takes longer or requires a lot more stone masons per block.
Evidence that literally thousands of workers were housed near the Great Pyramids during their construction has been evidenced.
Ever wonder how Michael Angelo turned out his beautiful hand carved sculptures several hundred years ago. Just one look at the "MaDonna and Child" Sculpture, the wrinkles in her clothing, all done with such perfection...........
I have no qualms about folks thousands of years ago chipping away at heavy granite and other stones and making them very precise.
Look what the American Indian does with a deer antler, when making obsidian based arrow heads. Have you ever wondered how them made such beautiful arrow heads by just heating and cooling obsidian and chipping away at it with a deer antler?
Craftsmen and women have been around for thousands of years.
Knowing how to move heavy objects has been worked out by ancient man thousands of years ago. It might have taken much more manpower to accomplish the feats, but they had learned from trial and error. Man's been around long enough to develop some pretty good techniques.
Even cave paintings show pretty good artistic skills.
The mystery of how these big old Egyptian monoliths were placed in the ground was solved. I saw that on the history channel. They simply filled the hole with sand or dirt and slowly removed the stuff, and the monolith gradually settled into a vertical position with the help of gravity. Wa La! Might have lost a few shovelers in the process when those heavy monoliths settled unexpectedly, but what the hey, labor was cheap.
Sometimes answers are so simple that they escape our notice.
I know that he's a giggle factor for them; however, they are not always completely credible themselves. I've seen them ignore evidence that doesn't fit in with their theory.
I for one seriously doubt they found a way to combine llama skins and dried grass into rebars.
