And to think that left continues to demand MORE government

[P@triot]

Sure it creates positive results.

Oh yeah....just ask Venezuela! I would tell you to ask the U.S.S.R. but they don’t exist anymore. The entire society collapsed from paying people not to work. Everyone stopped working (like you). Idiot.

 

[P@triot]

People eat, have a place to sleep, get medical care

Yeah...people have all of those things when they work too. Plus they have a work ethic. A sense of pride. A purpose. And they actually play a part in producing the products and services necessary to keep society functioning.

 

[Billo_Really]

Unimaginable and inexcusable ineptitude by our federal government.

An audit conducted by Ernst & Young found that the agency’s accounting procedures are so flawed that there is no reliable way to track how it uses its $40 billion annual budget.

If a private organization was this inept, the left would take to the streets with violence. They would demand all kinds of “regulatory” reforms and legislation. And yet when it happens with tax payer dollars, all they do is shrug and insist that we need more government.

Major Pentagon agency can’t account for $800 million — but still may get a budget increase

At least the left doesn't nominate corrupt Cabinet members like Pruitt and Mnuchin.

 

[P@triot]

Rush Limbaugh is a moron.

Says the board moron.

Increasing the suffering of the poor does nothing to help them

Bullshit. It’s the ultimate motivation to get out of poverty. Just ask Chris Gardner. See, all you have is immature and absurd progressive theory. We have real world results.

 

[P@triot]

At least the left doesn't nominate corrupt Cabinet members like Pruitt and Mnuchin.

No...instead they nominate corrupt, self-admitted communists like Van Jones and John Brennan.

Don’t play this game with me Billy. You’re going to lose. Badly.

 

[rightwinger]

Wasted?

Americans were fed, housed, received medical care, education, jobs programs

What have we gotten out of the money we have spent on wars in the last 60 years. How about money spent on the military?

The War on Poverty: 50 years of failure

People ate, people had housing, people had medical care
How can that be a failure?

Because it didn't produce any positive results.

"If you pay people not to work, don't be too surprised when they don't."
Rush Limbaugh

Or the way I always phrase it, if you pay people to be irresponsible, don't be surprised when you create more irresponsible people.

Sure it creates positive results. People eat, have a place to sleep, get medical care

We also created jobs training, job placement, small business funding, education funding.

Rush Limbaugh is a moron. Increasing the suffering of the poor does nothing to help them

Sure it does. If being irresponsible and doing irresponsible things means you have to pay a price for it, then of course it does great good. It's called Tough Love.

When you reward people for failure, they don't care if they fail or not. No effort to avoid it.

And this is what our social programs do. Why? Because with Democrats, it's all about politics. It's not about helping the populous in general, it's about getting votes and power. So they do the wrong things for people.

Blame the victim

Good thing we just gave tax cuts to billionaires

 

[rightwinger]

Rush Limbaugh is a moron.

Says the board moron.

Increasing the suffering of the poor does nothing to help them

Bullshit. It’s the ultimate motivation to get out of poverty. Just ask Chris Gardner. See, all you have is immature and absurd progressive theory. We have real world results.

Nowhere on earth have the poor done better by cutting their assistance

 

[P@triot]

People ate, people had housing, people had medical care How can that be a failure?

Because it cost $22 trillion and those people are still in the same poverty they were $22 trillion ago. Did you really need that explained to you or were you just trolling?

 

[P@triot]

Nowhere on earth have the poor done better by cutting their assistance

Actually, everywhere it has ever been done it has resulted in the poor doing better. What a shame that you are so misinformed. But, that’s exactly how your master’s prefer you.

 

[P@triot]

And... yeah... you're correct... feeding and housing and educating and helping our own people ends-up paying much bigger dividends...

Regardless of the fact that it's simply the Right Thing To Do...

So do it!!! What’s stopping you?

Why is it that idiot progressives always cry “X is the ‘right’ thing to do” but then they refuse to do “X”?

 

[Kondor3]

And... yeah... you're correct... feeding and housing and educating and helping our own people ends-up paying much bigger dividends...

Regardless of the fact that it's simply the Right Thing To Do...

So do it!!! What’s stopping you?

Why is it that idiot progressives always cry “X is the ‘right’ thing to do” but then they refuse to do “X”?

Are you saying that feeding and housing and educating and training and helping our own people is NOT the 'right thing to do' ?

 

[rightwinger]

People ate, people had housing, people had medical care How can that be a failure?

Because it cost $22 trillion and those people are still in the same poverty they were $22 trillion ago. Did you really need that explained to you or were you just trolling?

Different people over a 50 year period

We help those who need help. Why wouldn’t we?

 

[rightwinger]

And... yeah... you're correct... feeding and housing and educating and helping our own people ends-up paying much bigger dividends...

Regardless of the fact that it's simply the Right Thing To Do...

So do it!!! What’s stopping you?

Why is it that idiot progressives always cry “X is the ‘right’ thing to do” but then they refuse to do “X”?

Are you saying that feeding and housing and educating and training and helping our own people is NOT the 'right thing to do' ?

We have spent more on our military and yet, we still have wars
If military spending works......why are we still fighting?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And... yeah... you're correct... feeding and housing and educating and helping our own people ends-up paying much bigger dividends...

Regardless of the fact that it's simply the Right Thing To Do...

So do it!!! What’s stopping you?

Why is it that idiot progressives always cry “X is the ‘right’ thing to do” but then they refuse to do “X”?

Are you saying that feeding and housing and educating and training and helping our own people is NOT the 'right thing to do' ?

We have spent more on our military and yet, we still have wars
If military spending works......why are we still fighting?

There has never been a time in history where there was not war somewhere in this world. The difference between war and poverty is we really don't do anything to encourage or promote war.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

People ate, people had housing, people had medical care How can that be a failure?

Because it cost $22 trillion and those people are still in the same poverty they were $22 trillion ago. Did you really need that explained to you or were you just trolling?

Different people over a 50 year period

We help those who need help. Why wouldn’t we?

Because we also help people who don't need help--just a job and not having kids they can't support.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Rush Limbaugh is a moron.

Says the board moron.

Increasing the suffering of the poor does nothing to help them

Bullshit. It’s the ultimate motivation to get out of poverty. Just ask Chris Gardner. See, all you have is immature and absurd progressive theory. We have real world results.

Nowhere on earth have the poor done better by cutting their assistance

Sure there has; right here in this country. If you'd like, I can post links of what Maine did with their food stamp program that caused most of the people with no dependents to drop out of it. Other states like Georgia have done the same. Would you like links to that too?

Welfare Reform in the 90's was considered a great success by the right and the left. Telling people they actually have to work to receive benefits got people off the couch and into the workforce.

It's worked many times over, so you are incorrect in your statement. It does work.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The War on Poverty: 50 years of failure

People ate, people had housing, people had medical care
How can that be a failure?

Because it didn't produce any positive results.

"If you pay people not to work, don't be too surprised when they don't."
Rush Limbaugh

Or the way I always phrase it, if you pay people to be irresponsible, don't be surprised when you create more irresponsible people.

Sure it creates positive results. People eat, have a place to sleep, get medical care

We also created jobs training, job placement, small business funding, education funding.

Rush Limbaugh is a moron. Increasing the suffering of the poor does nothing to help them

Sure it does. If being irresponsible and doing irresponsible things means you have to pay a price for it, then of course it does great good. It's called Tough Love.

When you reward people for failure, they don't care if they fail or not. No effort to avoid it.

And this is what our social programs do. Why? Because with Democrats, it's all about politics. It's not about helping the populous in general, it's about getting votes and power. So they do the wrong things for people.

Blame the victim

Good thing we just gave tax cuts to billionaires

Yes, good thing they did because several companies gave raises to their working people; some bonuses, some both.

It lowered our unemployment rate to a 50 year low, and more and more are getting off of the dole to work instead of sitting home and collecting money.

Now if you know of any jobs created by poor people, please let me know what they are. Until that time, those evil billionaires and millionaires are the people who create jobs so the rest of us have a way to make a living.

 

[Billo_Really]

No...instead they nominate corrupt, self-admitted communists like Van Jones and John Brennan.

Don’t play this game with me Billy. You’re going to lose. Badly.

Boy, you fuckers really like to make shit up. I, on the other hand, didn't.

 

[Kondor3]

...There has never been a time in history where there was not war somewhere in this world...

True.

The world is a dangerous place.

I, for one, am in favor of a military sufficiently strong to counter any threat that we perceive to be within the realm of practical possibility.

After all, the first and highest duty of any government, including ours, is to protect The People.

But I, for one, am also in favor of routine and vigorous audits and analysis of DoD spending to foster efficiency and a good yield for the investment.

That implies spankings for military management and suppliers and contractors when they fall too far below acceptable standards.

...The difference between war and poverty is...

Vast, and multi-faceted.

...we really don't do anything to encourage or promote war.

I wish-to-Christ that were true.

There was a time within Living Memory when that was almost true, with a handful of historical exceptions.

We have a tendency to over-build or over-do our own military force structure and equipage and we funnel arms in vast quantities to friends (and sometimes, foes).

And, we have in recent times developed a nasty tendency to go to war at the drop of a hat, even on glaringly false premises, and that really needs to stop.

We need to find our equilibrium again in such matters, and the past couple of Presidents, and the present one, are not (or have not been) of much help with that.

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Personally, I would not mind an added measure of fiscal accountability imposed upon All Things DoD.

If we can attain substantive savings, while retaining our fighting edge (and, yeah, I think that might very well be possible), that would have multiple benefits...

Fewer low-yield knee-jerk-reaction wars, more money in taxpayer pockets, some new money available for the needy and schools and infrastructure.

But, given that we've allowed the so-called Military-Industrial Complex to entrench itself - ignoring Eisenhower's warning - that sea change would prove difficult.

 

[rightwinger]

And... yeah... you're correct... feeding and housing and educating and helping our own people ends-up paying much bigger dividends...

Regardless of the fact that it's simply the Right Thing To Do...

So do it!!! What’s stopping you?

Why is it that idiot progressives always cry “X is the ‘right’ thing to do” but then they refuse to do “X”?

Are you saying that feeding and housing and educating and training and helping our own people is NOT the 'right thing to do' ?

We have spent more on our military and yet, we still have wars
If military spending works......why are we still fighting?

There has never been a time in history where there was not war somewhere in this world. The difference between war and poverty is we really don't do anything to encourage or promote war.

Interesting point

There has never been a time in history when we didn’t have poverty