Another cop accidentally shoots himself

[2aguy]

Glocks and S&W M&Ps don't have safeties.

The M&P has a safety...but the new models can be had without safeties.....

The only hint of a safety on my M&P .40 is the trigger latch...(the trigger is hinged in the middle and the lower part must be pulled back before the main trigger mechanism moves.) That is not a true safety.

Also, mine can be fired with the magazine removed. Police issue M&Ps will not fire with the magazine removed.

Yes, you can now get M & Ps without the external safety.....

 

[Brain357]

Off-duty cop out mistakenly shoots himself in elevator while adjusting his belt after returning from a dinner date with his wife

• Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, PD was headed back to his car when he tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster
• The gun fired; a bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him
• Jouett was taken to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center with non life-threatening injuries
• It is unclear if he had the gun safety on

By Associated Press

Published: 14:14 EST, 4 January 2015 | Updated: 17:37 EST, 4 January 2015
An off-duty police officer out to dinner with his wife in Cincinnati accidentally shot himself in the stomach inside a parking garage elevator.

Cincinnati police say Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, Police Department had just finished dinner with his wife Saturday night and was heading back to his car.

He tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster — and it discharged.

The bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him in the stomach, police says


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If supposedly well trained cops can't control their weapons, why are we surprised when civilians can't either?

Because that is a false premise. Cops are not well trained. A typical CC holder is actually FAR better trained than any police officer.

You really should look at the training requirements for those wonderful police. Your false assumptions are really leading to a lot of false conclusions. Tangential to this, military members are not well trained either for the most part. the government does a piss poor job at ensuring proficiency.

Can you back that up? For most states it seems pretty easy to get a carry license. To claim far better trained seems extremely unlikely.

I don't think an actual study has been done on how often people fire their weapons who also have a concealed carry. I do know that without fail, every single person I have ever met with a concealed carry permit fires more often than I do and I am active duty military. Every single one has also fired more often than the police are required to as well. However, that does not mean that police do not take it upon themselves to fire more than qualification requirements. I know a fair number of people that carry as well because of the area I currently live in.

I don't know anyone that is willing to put a weapon in a holster and walk around with it without being comfortable with that firearm. I am positive there are people like that out there but the average person that gets a concealed carry, from my experience, is a LOT more competent than government requirements for police or even military.

There was a study done by Force Science Institute that showed criminals practiced a LOT more than cops (I believe around 10 times as much) but I cant find the original paper - just a few random mentions of it. Of course, the quality if practice might have been quite different You also cannot compile complete date here because the government DOES NOT REPORT how many innocent bystanders the police kill. I guess they don't want that data revealed. It is equally hard to find put how many innocent bystanders are killed by concealed carry holders.

I dont think you can make your claim based on that. While some might, there are no requirements for concealed carry. And there are quite a few of them shooting themselves or others accidently each year so there are for sure some bad apples. So you cannot claim they are far better trained than police without more info.

We can point out that most police are not well trained with their firearms....call up your local P.D. and ask the how often they require their officers to practice with their weapons.....

And concealed carry holders have no requirements.

 

[Brain357]

Off-duty cop out mistakenly shoots himself in elevator while adjusting his belt after returning from a dinner date with his wife

• Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, PD was headed back to his car when he tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster
• The gun fired; a bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him
• Jouett was taken to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center with non life-threatening injuries
• It is unclear if he had the gun safety on

By Associated Press

Published: 14:14 EST, 4 January 2015 | Updated: 17:37 EST, 4 January 2015
An off-duty police officer out to dinner with his wife in Cincinnati accidentally shot himself in the stomach inside a parking garage elevator.

Cincinnati police say Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, Police Department had just finished dinner with his wife Saturday night and was heading back to his car.

He tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster — and it discharged.

The bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him in the stomach, police says


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If supposedly well trained cops can't control their weapons, why are we surprised when civilians can't either?

Carrying is a dangerous game.

based on zero facts maybe.

Based on reality - no it is not.

Based on all the accidental shootings. That is reality.

No Brain, it isn't.....there are 11.1 million people with concealed carry permits today....and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths....put that on a calculator.....not even close to a problem.....drowning....now that is more of a problem.....

I'd call 6-700 deaths dangerous. Are you suggesting it isn't? People should take no care with their guns? Receive no training? Not be cautious when carrying? Or are those things required because carrying is dangerous?

 

[Brain357]

Off-duty cop out mistakenly shoots himself in elevator while adjusting his belt after returning from a dinner date with his wife

• Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, PD was headed back to his car when he tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster
• The gun fired; a bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him
• Jouett was taken to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center with non life-threatening injuries
• It is unclear if he had the gun safety on

By Associated Press

Published: 14:14 EST, 4 January 2015 | Updated: 17:37 EST, 4 January 2015
An off-duty police officer out to dinner with his wife in Cincinnati accidentally shot himself in the stomach inside a parking garage elevator.

Cincinnati police say Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, Police Department had just finished dinner with his wife Saturday night and was heading back to his car.

He tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster — and it discharged.

The bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him in the stomach, police says


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If supposedly well trained cops can't control their weapons, why are we surprised when civilians can't either?

Because that is a false premise. Cops are not well trained. A typical CC holder is actually FAR better trained than any police officer.

You really should look at the training requirements for those wonderful police. Your false assumptions are really leading to a lot of false conclusions. Tangential to this, military members are not well trained either for the most part. the government does a piss poor job at ensuring proficiency.

Can you back that up? For most states it seems pretty easy to get a carry license. To claim far better trained seems extremely unlikely.

Do you know how often cops are required to go to the range with their guns....once a year...to qualify....and some departments....the cops are self qualified each year.....When not in combat how often do the military fire their weapons.....at least once a year....maybe 2....an those are the regular combat arms....some regular peacetime military will have to let us know about the clerks, air traffic controllers, and truck drivers in the military and how often they fire their weapons....

I know this last few months...I have fired more rounds than most cops do in a lifetime.....

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

 

[theHawk]

Evidently Luddy is monitoring every single incident involving a cop or a gun in a nation of 320 million people.

Please do us all a favor and GET A JOB.

 

[2aguy]

Off-duty cop out mistakenly shoots himself in elevator while adjusting his belt after returning from a dinner date with his wife

• Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, PD was headed back to his car when he tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster
• The gun fired; a bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him
• Jouett was taken to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center with non life-threatening injuries
• It is unclear if he had the gun safety on

By Associated Press

Published: 14:14 EST, 4 January 2015 | Updated: 17:37 EST, 4 January 2015
An off-duty police officer out to dinner with his wife in Cincinnati accidentally shot himself in the stomach inside a parking garage elevator.

Cincinnati police say Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, Police Department had just finished dinner with his wife Saturday night and was heading back to his car.

He tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster — and it discharged.

The bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him in the stomach, police says


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If supposedly well trained cops can't control their weapons, why are we surprised when civilians can't either?

Carrying is a dangerous game.

based on zero facts maybe.

Based on reality - no it is not.

Based on all the accidental shootings. That is reality.

No Brain, it isn't.....there are 11.1 million people with concealed carry permits today....and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths....put that on a calculator.....not even close to a problem.....drowning....now that is more of a problem.....

If call 6-700 deaths dangerous. Are you suggesting it isn't? People should take no care with their guns? Receive no training? Not be cautious when carrying? Or are those things required because carrying is dangerous?

No, I would call them a tiny number in the face of 11.1 concealed carry permit holders.....no, people should be very careful with their guns, they are dangerous when used carelessly, I have 16 hours of training just to get a permit....but until they make it free, I won't step on someones right to carry a gun for protection, if they can't afford lessons...they should get lessons from someone...be very cautious when carrying.....they aren't required because it is dangerous...again...6-700 accidental gun deaths vs. 310 million people in the U.S. vs. over 310 million guns in circulation, vs. 11.1 concealed carry permit holders....vs. 1.6 million times a year a gun is used to stop violent criminal attack and save lives.....

Again....6-700 accidental gun deaths are a tiny, tiny number...it should and can be lower....but that would take gun safety programs in public schools....and the anti gunners fight that tooth and nails.....dead kids help their cause too much....

 

[2aguy]

Off-duty cop out mistakenly shoots himself in elevator while adjusting his belt after returning from a dinner date with his wife

• Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, PD was headed back to his car when he tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster
• The gun fired; a bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him
• Jouett was taken to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center with non life-threatening injuries
• It is unclear if he had the gun safety on

By Associated Press

Published: 14:14 EST, 4 January 2015 | Updated: 17:37 EST, 4 January 2015
An off-duty police officer out to dinner with his wife in Cincinnati accidentally shot himself in the stomach inside a parking garage elevator.

Cincinnati police say Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, Police Department had just finished dinner with his wife Saturday night and was heading back to his car.

He tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster — and it discharged.

The bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him in the stomach, police says


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If supposedly well trained cops can't control their weapons, why are we surprised when civilians can't either?

Because that is a false premise. Cops are not well trained. A typical CC holder is actually FAR better trained than any police officer.

You really should look at the training requirements for those wonderful police. Your false assumptions are really leading to a lot of false conclusions. Tangential to this, military members are not well trained either for the most part. the government does a piss poor job at ensuring proficiency.

Can you back that up? For most states it seems pretty easy to get a carry license. To claim far better trained seems extremely unlikely.

Do you know how often cops are required to go to the range with their guns....once a year...to qualify....and some departments....the cops are self qualified each year.....When not in combat how often do the military fire their weapons.....at least once a year....maybe 2....an those are the regular combat arms....some regular peacetime military will have to let us know about the clerks, air traffic controllers, and truck drivers in the military and how often they fire their weapons....

I know this last few months...I have fired more rounds than most cops do in a lifetime.....

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

I have a relative who is a police officer...they are required to qualify with their pistols once a year...I asked....and they simply go down to their range and shoot, they can do it on their own, it is an honor system....

I was in the National Guard for 7 years, we live fired for qualification with our rifles once a year....and I was in the infantry.....

Regular military....depends on the job...but ammo costs...you'll have to get responses from them...but one of our Platoon Sargeants was stationed in Korea in the 80s....they also live fired once a year.....and not on a range.....

I have some knowledge Brain...call up your local P.D. and ask them....

 

[Brain357]

Carrying is a dangerous game.

based on zero facts maybe.

Based on reality - no it is not.

Based on all the accidental shootings. That is reality.

No Brain, it isn't.....there are 11.1 million people with concealed carry permits today....and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths....put that on a calculator.....not even close to a problem.....drowning....now that is more of a problem.....

If call 6-700 deaths dangerous. Are you suggesting it isn't? People should take no care with their guns? Receive no training? Not be cautious when carrying? Or are those things required because carrying is dangerous?

No, I would call them a tiny number in the face of 11.1 concealed carry permit holders.....no, people should be very careful with their guns, they are dangerous when used carelessly, I have 16 hours of training just to get a permit....but until they make it free, I won't step on someones right to carry a gun for protection, if they can't afford lessons...they should get lessons from someone...be very cautious when carrying.....they aren't required because it is dangerous...again...6-700 accidental gun deaths vs. 310 million people in the U.S. vs. over 310 million guns in circulation, vs. 11.1 concealed carry permit holders....vs. 1.6 million times a year a gun is used to stop violent criminal attack and save lives.....

Again....6-700 accidental gun deaths are a tiny, tiny number...it should and can be lower....but that would take gun safety programs in public schools....and the anti gunners fight that tooth and nails.....dead kids help their cause too much....

So while carrying is dangerous, guns can be carried safely with the proper training? That is the way I look at it and think you might agree. But based on the accidents that do happen it is certainly dangerous to carry.

The problem with spending time on gun safety in schools is that most people will never need a gun for anything in their life. It would be like teaching latin in school now.

 

[Papageorgio]

Luddy is afraid of guns therefore no one should have them.

He is also afraid of kids with Bibles! He lives in very scary times.

 

[Brain357]

Off-duty cop out mistakenly shoots himself in elevator while adjusting his belt after returning from a dinner date with his wife

• Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, PD was headed back to his car when he tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster
• The gun fired; a bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him
• Jouett was taken to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center with non life-threatening injuries
• It is unclear if he had the gun safety on

By Associated Press

Published: 14:14 EST, 4 January 2015 | Updated: 17:37 EST, 4 January 2015
An off-duty police officer out to dinner with his wife in Cincinnati accidentally shot himself in the stomach inside a parking garage elevator.

Cincinnati police say Officer Darryl Jouett of the Erlanger, Kentucky, Police Department had just finished dinner with his wife Saturday night and was heading back to his car.

He tried to adjust his department-issued weapon in his holster — and it discharged.

The bullet ricocheted off the elevator walls and struck him in the stomach, police says


Read more: Off-duty cop out mistakenly shoots himself in elevator while adjusting his belt after returning from a dinner date with his wife Daily Mail Online
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If supposedly well trained cops can't control their weapons, why are we surprised when civilians can't either?

Because that is a false premise. Cops are not well trained. A typical CC holder is actually FAR better trained than any police officer.

You really should look at the training requirements for those wonderful police. Your false assumptions are really leading to a lot of false conclusions. Tangential to this, military members are not well trained either for the most part. the government does a piss poor job at ensuring proficiency.

Can you back that up? For most states it seems pretty easy to get a carry license. To claim far better trained seems extremely unlikely.

Do you know how often cops are required to go to the range with their guns....once a year...to qualify....and some departments....the cops are self qualified each year.....When not in combat how often do the military fire their weapons.....at least once a year....maybe 2....an those are the regular combat arms....some regular peacetime military will have to let us know about the clerks, air traffic controllers, and truck drivers in the military and how often they fire their weapons....

I know this last few months...I have fired more rounds than most cops do in a lifetime.....

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

I have a relative who is a police officer...they are required to qualify with their pistols once a year...I asked....and they simply go down to their range and shoot, they can do it on their own, it is an honor system....

I was in the National Guard for 7 years, we live fired for qualification with our rifles once a year....and I was in the infantry.....

Regular military....depends on the job...but ammo costs...you'll have to get responses from them...but one of our Platoon Sargeants was stationed in Korea in the 80s....they also live fired once a year.....and not on a range.....

I have some knowledge Brain...call up your local P.D. and ask them....

If you base it on requirements then carry owners have none. You can't say that there aren't lots of police who practice regularly regardless of the requirements. They are the most likely people to have to safe a life so I am certain many are very good with their guns.

 

[2aguy]

based on zero facts maybe.

Based on reality - no it is not.

Based on all the accidental shootings. That is reality.

No Brain, it isn't.....there are 11.1 million people with concealed carry permits today....and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths....put that on a calculator.....not even close to a problem.....drowning....now that is more of a problem.....

If call 6-700 deaths dangerous. Are you suggesting it isn't? People should take no care with their guns? Receive no training? Not be cautious when carrying? Or are those things required because carrying is dangerous?

No, I would call them a tiny number in the face of 11.1 concealed carry permit holders.....no, people should be very careful with their guns, they are dangerous when used carelessly, I have 16 hours of training just to get a permit....but until they make it free, I won't step on someones right to carry a gun for protection, if they can't afford lessons...they should get lessons from someone...be very cautious when carrying.....they aren't required because it is dangerous...again...6-700 accidental gun deaths vs. 310 million people in the U.S. vs. over 310 million guns in circulation, vs. 11.1 concealed carry permit holders....vs. 1.6 million times a year a gun is used to stop violent criminal attack and save lives.....

Again....6-700 accidental gun deaths are a tiny, tiny number...it should and can be lower....but that would take gun safety programs in public schools....and the anti gunners fight that tooth and nails.....dead kids help their cause too much....

So while carrying is dangerous, guns can be carried safely with the proper training? That is the way I look at it and think you might agree. But based on the accidents that do happen it is certainly dangerous to carry.

The problem with spending time on gun safety in schools is that most people will never need a gun for anything in their life. It would be like teaching latin in school now.

Most people are never involved in a burning building either....yet all kids recieve that training in our public schools....and gun safety training, as developed by the NRA, might save more kid's lives.....

 

[2aguy]

Because that is a false premise. Cops are not well trained. A typical CC holder is actually FAR better trained than any police officer.

You really should look at the training requirements for those wonderful police. Your false assumptions are really leading to a lot of false conclusions. Tangential to this, military members are not well trained either for the most part. the government does a piss poor job at ensuring proficiency.

Can you back that up? For most states it seems pretty easy to get a carry license. To claim far better trained seems extremely unlikely.

Do you know how often cops are required to go to the range with their guns....once a year...to qualify....and some departments....the cops are self qualified each year.....When not in combat how often do the military fire their weapons.....at least once a year....maybe 2....an those are the regular combat arms....some regular peacetime military will have to let us know about the clerks, air traffic controllers, and truck drivers in the military and how often they fire their weapons....

I know this last few months...I have fired more rounds than most cops do in a lifetime.....

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

I have a relative who is a police officer...they are required to qualify with their pistols once a year...I asked....and they simply go down to their range and shoot, they can do it on their own, it is an honor system....

I was in the National Guard for 7 years, we live fired for qualification with our rifles once a year....and I was in the infantry.....

Regular military....depends on the job...but ammo costs...you'll have to get responses from them...but one of our Platoon Sargeants was stationed in Korea in the 80s....they also live fired once a year.....and not on a range.....

I have some knowledge Brain...call up your local P.D. and ask them....

If you base it on requirements then carry owners have none. You can't say that there aren't lots of police who practice regularly regardless of the requirements. They are the most likely people to have to safe a life so I am certain many are very good with their guns.

How much time do you think cops have to go to the range? If you know some ask them.....

And how many officers are shooting people on accident...? I am not criticizing police, just your notion that they are safer than concealed carry permit holders....some cops haven't had any training since the academy.....in a 25 year career....

 

[Brain357]

Can you back that up? For most states it seems pretty easy to get a carry license. To claim far better trained seems extremely unlikely.

Do you know how often cops are required to go to the range with their guns....once a year...to qualify....and some departments....the cops are self qualified each year.....When not in combat how often do the military fire their weapons.....at least once a year....maybe 2....an those are the regular combat arms....some regular peacetime military will have to let us know about the clerks, air traffic controllers, and truck drivers in the military and how often they fire their weapons....

I know this last few months...I have fired more rounds than most cops do in a lifetime.....

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

You know that based on no facts bill. You are talking out of your butt.

I have a relative who is a police officer...they are required to qualify with their pistols once a year...I asked....and they simply go down to their range and shoot, they can do it on their own, it is an honor system....

I was in the National Guard for 7 years, we live fired for qualification with our rifles once a year....and I was in the infantry.....

Regular military....depends on the job...but ammo costs...you'll have to get responses from them...but one of our Platoon Sargeants was stationed in Korea in the 80s....they also live fired once a year.....and not on a range.....

I have some knowledge Brain...call up your local P.D. and ask them....

If you base it on requirements then carry owners have none. You can't say that there aren't lots of police who practice regularly regardless of the requirements. They are the most likely people to have to safe a life so I am certain many are very good with their guns.

How much time do you think cops have to go to the range? If you know some ask them.....

And how many officers are shooting people on accident...? I am not criticizing police, just your notion that they are safer than concealed carry permit holders....some cops haven't had any training since the academy.....in a 25 year career....

I would think just as much time as you do.

Officers have a lot more opportunities to shoot people by accident. It isn't a fair comparison. I have not made the notion they are safer, I have just been keeping the debate honest.

 

[Brain357]

Based on all the accidental shootings. That is reality.

No Brain, it isn't.....there are 11.1 million people with concealed carry permits today....and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths....put that on a calculator.....not even close to a problem.....drowning....now that is more of a problem.....

If call 6-700 deaths dangerous. Are you suggesting it isn't? People should take no care with their guns? Receive no training? Not be cautious when carrying? Or are those things required because carrying is dangerous?

No, I would call them a tiny number in the face of 11.1 concealed carry permit holders.....no, people should be very careful with their guns, they are dangerous when used carelessly, I have 16 hours of training just to get a permit....but until they make it free, I won't step on someones right to carry a gun for protection, if they can't afford lessons...they should get lessons from someone...be very cautious when carrying.....they aren't required because it is dangerous...again...6-700 accidental gun deaths vs. 310 million people in the U.S. vs. over 310 million guns in circulation, vs. 11.1 concealed carry permit holders....vs. 1.6 million times a year a gun is used to stop violent criminal attack and save lives.....

Again....6-700 accidental gun deaths are a tiny, tiny number...it should and can be lower....but that would take gun safety programs in public schools....and the anti gunners fight that tooth and nails.....dead kids help their cause too much....

So while carrying is dangerous, guns can be carried safely with the proper training? That is the way I look at it and think you might agree. But based on the accidents that do happen it is certainly dangerous to carry.

The problem with spending time on gun safety in schools is that most people will never need a gun for anything in their life. It would be like teaching latin in school now.

Most people are never involved in a burning building either....yet all kids recieve that training in our public schools....and gun safety training, as developed by the NRA, might save more kid's lives.....

And there is a study that shows you are more likely to be shot if you carry. Schools should promote that? You are certainly more likely to be accidently shot of you own a gun.

 

[2aguy]

Here, for your enjoyment Brain....

 

[Papageorgio]

I dont think you can make your claim based on that. While some might, there are no requirements for concealed carry. And there are quite a few of them shooting themselves or others accidently each year so there are for sure some bad apples. So you cannot claim they are far better trained than police without more info.

And, equally, you cannot claim that the cops are better trained either so the OP's point is false under that reasoning.

YOU cant claim they are better trained. I will go with what I know unless actual data refutes it. It is the best any of us can do. I don't really expect you to take my experiences and agree with them but you certainly should go out there and take a look yourself.

I'm not prepared to make that claim, but they do have required training that concealed carry people do not. Your experience is not that important as you don't know a significant percent of carry holders. Do you know any who have shot themselves? Cause I've seen many examples in the news. Many police and carry holders accidently shoot themselves or others. So carrying is dangerous.

You are joking right?

Statistically driving is more dangerous, do you still drive?

What about a kitchen, do you go into your kitchen? It is the most dangerous room in the home.

Hell, kitchen knife injuries are more common than a gunshot injury.

Knife injuries and other kitchen mishaps afflict both top chefs and everyday cooks - The Washington Post

Chef Accidentally Stabs Herself to Death With Kitchen Knife The Stir

 

[Brain357]

Here, for your enjoyment Brain....

oh I've posted that one before.

 

[2aguy]

No Brain, it isn't.....there are 11.1 million people with concealed carry permits today....and only 6-700 accidental gun deaths....put that on a calculator.....not even close to a problem.....drowning....now that is more of a problem.....

If call 6-700 deaths dangerous. Are you suggesting it isn't? People should take no care with their guns? Receive no training? Not be cautious when carrying? Or are those things required because carrying is dangerous?

No, I would call them a tiny number in the face of 11.1 concealed carry permit holders.....no, people should be very careful with their guns, they are dangerous when used carelessly, I have 16 hours of training just to get a permit....but until they make it free, I won't step on someones right to carry a gun for protection, if they can't afford lessons...they should get lessons from someone...be very cautious when carrying.....they aren't required because it is dangerous...again...6-700 accidental gun deaths vs. 310 million people in the U.S. vs. over 310 million guns in circulation, vs. 11.1 concealed carry permit holders....vs. 1.6 million times a year a gun is used to stop violent criminal attack and save lives.....

Again....6-700 accidental gun deaths are a tiny, tiny number...it should and can be lower....but that would take gun safety programs in public schools....and the anti gunners fight that tooth and nails.....dead kids help their cause too much....

So while carrying is dangerous, guns can be carried safely with the proper training? That is the way I look at it and think you might agree. But based on the accidents that do happen it is certainly dangerous to carry.

The problem with spending time on gun safety in schools is that most people will never need a gun for anything in their life. It would be like teaching latin in school now.

Most people are never involved in a burning building either....yet all kids recieve that training in our public schools....and gun safety training, as developed by the NRA, might save more kid's lives.....

And there is a study that shows you are more likely to be shot if you carry. Schools should promote that? You are certainly more likely to be accidently shot of you own a gun.

And there is a study that shows you are more likely to be shot if you carry. Schools should promote that?

I didn't say that....I said the NRA child safety program.....which is basically this...if a kid sees a gun in a home, his own or a freinds....they are taught to:

1) Stop
2) Don't touch
3) Leave the room
4) Find an adult....

And yet.....that is what the anti gunners fight...

 

[2aguy]

Here, for your enjoyment Brain....

oh I've posted that one before.

What homer doesn't know.....5 days isn't that long......

 

[Brain357]

I dont think you can make your claim based on that. While some might, there are no requirements for concealed carry. And there are quite a few of them shooting themselves or others accidently each year so there are for sure some bad apples. So you cannot claim they are far better trained than police without more info.

And, equally, you cannot claim that the cops are better trained either so the OP's point is false under that reasoning.

YOU cant claim they are better trained. I will go with what I know unless actual data refutes it. It is the best any of us can do. I don't really expect you to take my experiences and agree with them but you certainly should go out there and take a look yourself.

I'm not prepared to make that claim, but they do have required training that concealed carry people do not. Your experience is not that important as you don't know a significant percent of carry holders. Do you know any who have shot themselves? Cause I've seen many examples in the news. Many police and carry holders accidently shoot themselves or others. So carrying is dangerous.

You are joking right?

Statistically driving is more dangerous, do you still drive?

What about a kitchen, do you go into your kitchen? It is the most dangerous room in the home.

Hell, kitchen knife injuries are more common than a gunshot injury.

Knife injuries and other kitchen mishaps afflict both top chefs and everyday cooks - The Washington Post

No not joking. Guns are no joke. Oh is it more dangerous? Most people never need a gun for anything yet they do kill a lot of people. On the other hand cars are used daily by most people. So it would seem guns are more dangerous. You might be more likely to be killed in a car, but they are also being used drastically more.