Another home invasion caught on video...good thing she didn't have a gun...right?

[rightwinger]

Its always a good idea for women to be armed at all times....you never know

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off killing mom

 

[rightwinger]

Women and guns are always a good idea

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/dangerous-gun-myths.html?_r=0

But there is a more fundamental problem with the idea that guns actually protect the hearth and home. Guns rarely get used that way. In the 1990s, a team headed by Arthur Kellermann of Emory University looked at all injuries involving guns kept in the home in Memphis, Seattle and Galveston, Tex. They found that these weapons were fired far more often in accidents, criminal assaults, homicides or suicide attempts than in self-defense. For every instance in which a gun in the home was shot in self-defense, there were seven criminal assaults or homicides, four accidental shootings, and 11 attempted or successful suicides.
The cost-benefit balance of having a gun in the home is especially negative for women, according to a 2011 review by David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Far from making women safer, a gun in the home is “a particularly strong risk factor” for female homicides and the intimidation of women.

 

[2aguy]

actually, it isn't more likely...for example, studies show that a victim with a gun is the most effective way to stop rape.......above any other measure to stop the rape...guns also have been shown to reduce the risk of injury to the defender during an attack....all from studies on the subject...

Your conjecture is wrong.......

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Monday, May 11, 2015

Armed husband saves pregnant wife and child from rabid fox, WFXT, Boston, Mass. 05/07/15
A pregnant woman was watching over children playing in her backyard in Canton, Mass. when one of the children was attacked by a rabid fox. The woman rushed to the child’s aid, kicked the animal ...

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Friday, May 08, 2015

Employee kills robber armed with shotgun, The Atlanta Journal Constitution, Atlanta, Ga. 05/07/15
A man entered the Paradise Island Smoke Shop in DeKalb, Ga. and requested that an employee retrieve an item from a shelf. When the employee turned to get the item, the man drew a shotgun ...

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Thursday, May 07, 2015

Right-to-Carry permit holder foils carjacking, KSL, Salt Lake City, Utah 05/02/15
A Right-to-Carry permit holder was in a grocery store parking lot in Orem, Utah, when he heard a woman screaming nearby. The woman had been taken out of her vehicle by a carjacker. The permit ...

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Wednesday, April 29, 2015

Armed homeowner expels intruders, KSTU, Salt Lake City, Utah 04/27/15
The family dog alerted a homeowner to a morning break-in at their Holladay, Utah home. The homeowner alerted the authorities, retrieved a pistol, and confronted the criminals; driving the thieves from the residence. Police arrived ...

The Tampa Bay Times, Tampa Bay, Fla. 04/19/15

Tuesday, April 21, 2015

Armed clerk fights off masked robber, The Tampa Bay Times, Tampa Bay, Fla. 04/19/15
A masked and armed man entered an ABC Liquor store in Tampa, Fla. and attempted to rob the store. The thief ordered the two clerks on duty to get on the floor, but one responded ...

WALB, Albany, Ga. 04/07/15

Monday, April 13, 2015

Pizza Deliveryman fights off robber, WALB, Albany, Ga. 04/07/15
A pizza deliveryman was making a delivery in Douglas, Ga. when a criminal armed with a metal bar attempted to rob him. The deliveryman responded to the threat by drawing a gun and pointing it ...

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Thursday, April 02, 2015

Auto sales worker halts masked and armed robber, Chattanooga Times Free Press, Chattanooga, Tenn. 03/28/15
Alan Miller was working at Miller Auto Sales in Chattanooga, Tenn. when a masked and armed man attempted to rob the business. Miller responded by retrieving a gun and shooting the criminal twice, halting the ...

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Friday, March 27, 2015

84-year-old Right-to-Carry permit holder defends himself and his wife from armed attacker, KOTV, Tulsa, Okla. 03/18/15
84-year-old Doug Jandebeur was walking to his vehicle parked outside his business in Tulsa, Okla. when a man approached him from behind, punched him, and robbed him at gunpoint. After taking Jandebeur’s wallet, the criminal ...

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Wednesday, March 25, 2015

Right-to-Carry permit holder fells attacker in barbershop, CBS Philly, Philadelphia, Pa. 03/22/15
An altercation erupted inside Falah Barbershop Inc. in West Philadelphia, Pa., during which one man drew a gun and fired at another person. A Right-to-Carry permit holder was inside the shop at the time of ...

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Tuesday, March 17, 2015

Mother defends herself and daughter from crazed intruder, WTKR, Hampton Roads, Va. 03/12/15
A mother was at home with her young child in Newport News, Va. when a stranger behaving erratically began trying to force his way into the home through a door. Concerned for herself and her ...

You have to do better than that....
Single instances where guns worked does not provide proof

You say the situation in the OP would have been prevented if guns were present
I say guns would more likely lead to death

What we do know is that no guns were present and nobody was killed

Hmm...what fool thanked that stupidity.......we all know when victims don't have guns and wind up raped and murdered and left in shallow graves, or on the floor of convenience stores bleeding out......or stabbed or beaten to death......

We also know of situations where victims do have guns and the situation escallates into a shootout with either the victim, the robber or both ending up shot

Bullets are not the answer to every confrontation

No one said they were........but you guys say guns don't save lives... and that is not true.....you also say normal people can't use guns effectively....and that is absolutely not true......people with little to no training use guns effectively to stop violent criminals all the time....

Again...do the research...speak from knowledge, not fantasy.....

Police have extensive training and they often make the wrong decision in using their gun. Yet you claim that an untrained woman would come out on top

Yes, they often do...why...because the criminal breaks contact as soon as the woman shows she has a gun and will defend herself...most defensive gun uses happen without a shot being fired......where as a police officer has to not only maintain contact with the criminal, but physically subdue them.......creating more room for accidents.....

 

[2aguy]

actually, it isn't more likely...for example, studies show that a victim with a gun is the most effective way to stop rape.......above any other measure to stop the rape...guns also have been shown to reduce the risk of injury to the defender during an attack....all from studies on the subject...

Your conjecture is wrong.......

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Monday, May 11, 2015

Armed husband saves pregnant wife and child from rabid fox, WFXT, Boston, Mass. 05/07/15
A pregnant woman was watching over children playing in her backyard in Canton, Mass. when one of the children was attacked by a rabid fox. The woman rushed to the child’s aid, kicked the animal ...

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Friday, May 08, 2015

Employee kills robber armed with shotgun, The Atlanta Journal Constitution, Atlanta, Ga. 05/07/15
A man entered the Paradise Island Smoke Shop in DeKalb, Ga. and requested that an employee retrieve an item from a shelf. When the employee turned to get the item, the man drew a shotgun ...

Gun Laws

Thursday, May 07, 2015

Right-to-Carry permit holder foils carjacking, KSL, Salt Lake City, Utah 05/02/15
A Right-to-Carry permit holder was in a grocery store parking lot in Orem, Utah, when he heard a woman screaming nearby. The woman had been taken out of her vehicle by a carjacker. The permit ...

Gun Laws

Wednesday, April 29, 2015

Armed homeowner expels intruders, KSTU, Salt Lake City, Utah 04/27/15
The family dog alerted a homeowner to a morning break-in at their Holladay, Utah home. The homeowner alerted the authorities, retrieved a pistol, and confronted the criminals; driving the thieves from the residence. Police arrived ...

The Tampa Bay Times, Tampa Bay, Fla. 04/19/15

Tuesday, April 21, 2015

Armed clerk fights off masked robber, The Tampa Bay Times, Tampa Bay, Fla. 04/19/15
A masked and armed man entered an ABC Liquor store in Tampa, Fla. and attempted to rob the store. The thief ordered the two clerks on duty to get on the floor, but one responded ...

WALB, Albany, Ga. 04/07/15

Monday, April 13, 2015

Pizza Deliveryman fights off robber, WALB, Albany, Ga. 04/07/15
A pizza deliveryman was making a delivery in Douglas, Ga. when a criminal armed with a metal bar attempted to rob him. The deliveryman responded to the threat by drawing a gun and pointing it ...

Gun Laws

Thursday, April 02, 2015

Auto sales worker halts masked and armed robber, Chattanooga Times Free Press, Chattanooga, Tenn. 03/28/15
Alan Miller was working at Miller Auto Sales in Chattanooga, Tenn. when a masked and armed man attempted to rob the business. Miller responded by retrieving a gun and shooting the criminal twice, halting the ...

Gun Laws

Friday, March 27, 2015

84-year-old Right-to-Carry permit holder defends himself and his wife from armed attacker, KOTV, Tulsa, Okla. 03/18/15
84-year-old Doug Jandebeur was walking to his vehicle parked outside his business in Tulsa, Okla. when a man approached him from behind, punched him, and robbed him at gunpoint. After taking Jandebeur’s wallet, the criminal ...

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Wednesday, March 25, 2015

Right-to-Carry permit holder fells attacker in barbershop, CBS Philly, Philadelphia, Pa. 03/22/15
An altercation erupted inside Falah Barbershop Inc. in West Philadelphia, Pa., during which one man drew a gun and fired at another person. A Right-to-Carry permit holder was inside the shop at the time of ...

Gun Laws

Tuesday, March 17, 2015

Mother defends herself and daughter from crazed intruder, WTKR, Hampton Roads, Va. 03/12/15
A mother was at home with her young child in Newport News, Va. when a stranger behaving erratically began trying to force his way into the home through a door. Concerned for herself and her ...

You have to do better than that....
Single instances where guns worked does not provide proof

You say the situation in the OP would have been prevented if guns were present
I say guns would more likely lead to death

What we do know is that no guns were present and nobody was killed

I never said it would have been prevented, I said she likely could have stopped the robbery, and had more control over the outcome......instead of relying on the good will of home invaders and pure dumb luck.......and we also know that when criminals have guns and victims do not, victims are often raped, beaten, robbed and murdered......while victims with guns often drive off violent criminals and save lives....

Maybe...maybe not

I say, a woman in that situation who attempts to draw a gun is more likely to escallate a robbery into a shootout

and you are saying that from a position of ignorance....not from an informed opinion from actual research into the topic....I have listed just some of the times where women, surprised and outnumbered by larger males, often armed, have driven off the attackers....

One in particular was the one where two men tried to kidnap a woman walking her dog.....they had a baseball bat and when they told her they were taking her...she pulled her gun and they ran away....

Do some actual research....learn the subject....then comment from knowledge, not fantasy.....

Again you respond with single instances

We have 32,000 instances a year where a gun in the equation results in death

Again....accidental gun deaths 2013....505, gun murder 2013......8,454...

The rest did not require a gun as shown by the Japanese and the South Koreans who have no access to guns but kill themselves at 2 times our rate

So, minus gun accidents and gun murder gives us....23, 041 suicides......in Japan we multiply that by 2 and we get 46, 082 suicides that did not use a gun......

 

[2aguy]

Women and guns are always a good idea

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/dangerous-gun-myths.html?_r=0

But there is a more fundamental problem with the idea that guns actually protect the hearth and home. Guns rarely get used that way. In the 1990s, a team headed by Arthur Kellermann of Emory University looked at all injuries involving guns kept in the home in Memphis, Seattle and Galveston, Tex. They found that these weapons were fired far more often in accidents, criminal assaults, homicides or suicide attempts than in self-defense. For every instance in which a gun in the home was shot in self-defense, there were seven criminal assaults or homicides, four accidental shootings, and 11 attempted or successful suicides.
The cost-benefit balance of having a gun in the home is especially negative for women, according to a 2011 review by David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Far from making women safer, a gun in the home is “a particularly strong risk factor” for female homicides and the intimidation of women.

Kellerman is lying...and his study actually was debunked.......the actual determining factor wasn't the gun in the home....but wether or not there was alcohol, or drug abuse or an actual criminal living in the home........

hemenway is a hack too.....he has been proven to be dishonest and a liar many times over in my posts....

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...this looks at what a hack kellerman is....

Public Health Pot Shots - Reason.com

But that's not the story told by Dr. Arthur Kellermann, director of Emory University's Center for Injury Control and the CDC's favorite gun researcher. In a 1988 New England Journal of Medicine article, Kellermann and his co-authors cite Wright and Rossi's book Under the Gun to support the notion that "restricting access to handguns could substantially reduce our annual rate of homicide." What they actually said was: "There is no persuasive evidence that supports this view." In a 1992 New England Journal of Medicine article, Kellermann cites an American Journal of Psychiatry study to back up the claim "that limiting access to firearms could prevent many suicides." But the study actually found just the opposite--i.e., that people who don't have guns find other ways to kill themselves.


At the same time that he misuses other people's work, Kellermann refuses to provide the full data for any of his studies so that scholars can evaluate his findings. His critics therefore can judge his results only from the partial data he chooses to publish. Consider a 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study that, according to press reports, "showed that keeping a gun in the home nearly triples the likelihood that someone in the household will be slain there." This claim cannot be verified because Kellerman will not release the data. Relying on independent sources to fill gaps in the published data, SUNY-Buffalo's Lawrence Southwick has speculated that Kellermann's full data set would actually vindicate defensive gun ownership. Such issues cannot be resolved without Kellermann's cooperation, but the CDC has refused to require its researchers to part with their data as a condition for taxpayer funding.


Even without access to secret data, it's clear that many of Kellermann's inferences are not justified. In a 1995 JAMA study that was funded by the CDC, he and his colleagues examined 198 incidents in which burglars entered occupied homes in Atlanta. They found that "only three individuals (1.5%) employed a firearm in self-defense"--from which they concluded that guns are rarely used for self-defense. On closer examination, however, Kellermann et al.'s data do not support that conclusion. In 42 percent of the incidents, there was no confrontation between victim and offender because "the offender(s) either left silently or fled when detected." When the burglar left silently, the victim was not even aware of the crime, so he did not have the opportunity to use a gun in self-defense (or to call the police, for that matter). The intruders who "fled when detected" show how defensive gun ownership can protect all victims, armed and unarmed alike, since the possibility of confronting an armed resident encourages burglars to flee.


These 83 no-confrontation incidents should be dropped from Kellermann et al.'s original list of 198 burglaries. Similarly, about 50 percent of U.S. homes do not contain guns, and in 70 percent of the homes that do, the guns are kept unloaded. After eliminating the burglaries where armed self-defense was simply not feasible, Kellermann's 198 incidents shrink to 17, and his 1.5 percent figure for defensive use rises to 17 percent. More important, this study covers only burglaries reported to the police. Since police catch only about 10 percent of home burglars, the only good reason to report a burglary is that police documentation is required to file an insurance claim. But if no property was lost because the burglar fled when the householder brandished a gun, why report the incident? And, aside from the inconvenience, there are strong reasons not to report: The gun may not be registered, or the householder may not be certain that guns can legally be used to repel unarmed burglars. Thus, for all Kellermann knows, successful gun use far exceeds the three incidents reported to police in his Atlanta study.


Similar sins of omission invalidate the conclusion of a 1986 New England Journal of Medicine study that Kellermann co-authored with University of Washington pathologist Donald T. Reay, another gun researcher who has enjoyed the CDC's support. (This particular study was funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.) Examining gunshot deaths in King County, Washington, from 1978 to 1983, Kellermann and Reay found that, of 398 people killed in a home where a gun was kept, only two were intruders shot while trying to get in. "We noted 43 suicides, criminal homicides, or accidental gunshot deaths involving a gun kept in the home for every case of homicide for self-protection," they wrote, concluding that "the advisability of keeping firearms in the home for protection must be questioned."

 

[2aguy]

And actual research instead of fantasy....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

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So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

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http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

 

[2aguy]

brain....quite the gun grabber aren't you......

 

[Brain357]

And actual research instead of fantasy....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

********************

So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

***********************

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

The vast majority of rapes aren't even defendable with a gun. As I have proven to you several times.

 

[2aguy]

And actual research instead of fantasy....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

********************

So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

***********************

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

Actual research into the subject....not cherry picked, isolated stories..........you gun grabbers...you never quit.....

 

[2aguy]

And actual research instead of fantasy....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

********************

So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

***********************

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

The vast majority of rapes aren't even defendable with a gun. As I have proven to you several times.

Except the ones that are......stranger rape actually happens brain...all the time........ask the woman who are raped if they just imagined it........

 

[Brain357]

brain....quite the gun grabber aren't you......

You still haven't posted where I have ever suggested banning guns. I'm just interested in the facts.

 

[2aguy]

brain....quite the gun grabber aren't you......

You still haven't posted where I have ever suggested banning guns. I'm just interested in the facts.

Which always support the worst case scenarios with guns.........you are a smart gun banner....but a gun banner none the less......

 

[Brain357]

And actual research instead of fantasy....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

********************

So, again a woman's best chance for stopping the rape and ultimately surviving the situation is to use a gun.....

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http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Data/Crime/Florida/Gun Ownership Stops Rape/

The vast majority of rapes aren't even defendable with a gun. As I have proven to you several times.

Except the ones that are......stranger rape actually happens brain...all the time........ask the woman who are raped if they just imagined it........

They are rare. Guns aren't the answer when the majority aren't even defendable with a gun.

 

[Brain357]

brain....quite the gun grabber aren't you......

You still haven't posted where I have ever suggested banning guns. I'm just interested in the facts.

Which always support the worst case scenarios with guns.........you are a smart gun banner....but a gun banner none the less......

I simply give the other side of the story. It's important when interested in the truth.

 

[Brain357]

brain....quite the gun grabber aren't you......

You still haven't posted where I have ever suggested banning guns. I'm just interested in the facts.

Which always support the worst case scenarios with guns.........you are a smart gun banner....but a gun banner none the less......

I hear the pro gun side then find the anti gun side and decide for myself which is more accurate. Listening to you one would think anyone not carrying is doomed. I think the facts show we are all pretty safe if you are not involved in criminal activity. I don't know anyone who has ever been murdered.

 

[2aguy]

And some truth....

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

 

[2aguy]

brain....quite the gun grabber aren't you......

You still haven't posted where I have ever suggested banning guns. I'm just interested in the facts.

Which always support the worst case scenarios with guns.........you are a smart gun banner....but a gun banner none the less......

I hear the pro gun side then find the anti gun side and decide for myself which is more accurate. Listening to you one would think anyone not carrying is doomed. I think the facts show we are all pretty safe if you are not involved in criminal activity. I don't know anyone who has ever been murdered.

there are people who were attacked by violent criminals and they didn't have a gun...and they were butchered.....and if you can guarantee people that they will never be the victim chosen by violent criminals...you should set up a business....you could make billions of dollars telling people that......

 

[2aguy]

I think all of these people may have re thought carrying a gun.....

Wichita Massacre - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


The Carr brothers, 22-year-old Reginald and 20-year-old Jonathan, already had lengthy criminal records when they began their spree.[4] On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died three days later.

Their crime spree culminated on December 14, when they invaded a home and subjected five young men and women to robbery, sexual abuse, and murder. The brothers broke into a house chosen nearly at random where Brad Heyka, Heather Muller, Aaron Sander, Jason Befort and his girlfriend, a young woman identified as 'H.G.', all in their twenties, were spending the night. They initially scoured the house for valuables. In a much-remarked point of tragedy, H.G. learned of Befort's intent to propose marriage when the Carrs, by chance, discovered the engagement ring hidden in a can of popcorn. After the search, the Carrs forced their hostages to strip naked, bound and detained them, and subjected them to various forms of sexual humiliation, including rape andoral sex.[4] They also forced the men to engage in sexual acts with the women, and the women with each other. They then drove the victims to ATMs to empty their bank accounts, before finally taking them to a snowy deserted soccer complex on the outskirts of town and shooting them execution-style in the backs of their heads, leaving them for dead. The Carr brothers then drove Befort's truck over the bodies.

They returned to the house to ransack it for more valuables, and in the process killed Nikki, H.G.'s muzzled dog. H.G. survived because her metal barrette deflected the bullet, and ran naked for more than a mile in freezing weather to report the attack and seek medical attention.

The Carr brothers, who took few precautions, were captured by the police the next day, and Reginald was identified by Schreiber and the dying Walenta. The District Attorney stated that the Carrs' motive was robbery.[5]

 

[Brain357]

brain....quite the gun grabber aren't you......

You still haven't posted where I have ever suggested banning guns. I'm just interested in the facts.

Which always support the worst case scenarios with guns.........you are a smart gun banner....but a gun banner none the less......

I hear the pro gun side then find the anti gun side and decide for myself which is more accurate. Listening to you one would think anyone not carrying is doomed. I think the facts show we are all pretty safe if you are not involved in criminal activity. I don't know anyone who has ever been murdered.

there are people who were attacked by violent criminals and they didn't have a gun...and they were butchered.....and if you can guarantee people that they will never be the victim chosen by violent criminals...you should set up a business....you could make billions of dollars telling people that......

And many people carrying have shot themselves dead accidently or some innocent person. More people are shot accidently than are killed purposely. If you own a gun the person most likely to be shot and killed by it is yourself. It's all individual choice. I think people need all the facts.