Another Lie debunked-IG report concludes FBI did not spy on trump campaign

[Redfish]

You might have a point if Joe Biden hadn't gone on camera and bragged about making the Ukrainians a deal "they couldn't refuse"!

You're being disingenuous again.

Did Biden NOT do that? Why am I being "disingenuous" when I point out that he did?

because that's exactly what he did. he told them that they had six hours to fire the prosecutor or they would not get the money, then "son of a bitch, they fired him".

if that's not bribery, WTF is it?

Actually that is not bribery , that is extortion. Same result, but slightly different crime.

maybe, but paying or not paying someone for a specific action is bribery, black mail is extortion, I think.

 

[Redfish]

( "Russia if you're listening ") That was a joke, are you so dumb that you think it was serious?

So now Trump is a jokester?? A real comic ?? He has been I agree ,as a president but he wasn't trying to be funny

the whole russia thing was so ridiculous, why not make a joke of it? the entire dem party has become a joke and thats too bad for the country, the party of Kennedy and Truman has been murdered by the clintons and obamas

Red you still don't get it?? What are people with brains in their heads supposed to think of Trump holding back documents, holding back 5 or 6 witnesses who have been under subpoena? No other president held back so much from congress as trump On another note the schmuck even held back showing his taxes like all others since Nixon have You must think we're all stupid not to know that dishonesty has followed trump throughout his lifetime

Ok eddie, lets go slow so you can possibly understand.

Executive privilege is in our constitution, there is no legal requirement for the president's inner circle to testify in a kangaroo court proceeding being held by partisan democrats who cannot get over Trump winning in 2016.

This whole impeachment bullshit is nothing but the dems looking for a talking point for the 2020 campaign because they know that Trump cannot be beat in a fair election, so this is their way of cheating. They know that it will never pass the senate but they want to be able to scream 24/4/7/365 next year "Trump was impeached" !!! Thats all it has ever been about.

On his taxes: His returns are hundreds of pages long, if he released them some idiot on MSNBC would pull out one line on one page and make up lies about what it says and the country would waste thousands of hours refuting that claim. Everyone with a brain knows thats what would happen, probably even you.

If he was cheating on his taxes (which are prepared by some of the best tax lawyers in the country) why didnt the obama IRS find it and make an issue of it?

Trump had russian help in 2016 ILLEGAL help ,,,and he's trying to do it again without getting slapped down Try to be honest now IF this was Obama obstructing and abusing like trump is doing now you wouldn't be tearing your hair out??

what exactly did the Russians do that caused Trump to win in 2016? What specifically did they do, where did they do it, and which votes were changed because of it?

 

[Redfish]

That there was anything wrong or political in the origins of the FISA request on Carter Page...for starters

That Sztrok and Page while no fans of Trump...engaged in no official acts that were politically motivated

the report details 17 errors, omissions, or falsehoods in the FISA applications. those were not official acts? lying to a FISA court is not a crime?

for FBI employees to plot to destroy a president is not a crime?

 

[edward37]

So now Trump is a jokester?? A real comic ?? He has been I agree ,as a president but he wasn't trying to be funny

the whole russia thing was so ridiculous, why not make a joke of it? the entire dem party has become a joke and thats too bad for the country, the party of Kennedy and Truman has been murdered by the clintons and obamas

Red you still don't get it?? What are people with brains in their heads supposed to think of Trump holding back documents, holding back 5 or 6 witnesses who have been under subpoena? No other president held back so much from congress as trump On another note the schmuck even held back showing his taxes like all others since Nixon have You must think we're all stupid not to know that dishonesty has followed trump throughout his lifetime

Ok eddie, lets go slow so you can possibly understand.

Executive privilege is in our constitution, there is no legal requirement for the president's inner circle to testify in a kangaroo court proceeding being held by partisan democrats who cannot get over Trump winning in 2016.

This whole impeachment bullshit is nothing but the dems looking for a talking point for the 2020 campaign because they know that Trump cannot be beat in a fair election, so this is their way of cheating. They know that it will never pass the senate but they want to be able to scream 24/4/7/365 next year "Trump was impeached" !!! Thats all it has ever been about.

On his taxes: His returns are hundreds of pages long, if he released them some idiot on MSNBC would pull out one line on one page and make up lies about what it says and the country would waste thousands of hours refuting that claim. Everyone with a brain knows thats what would happen, probably even you.

If he was cheating on his taxes (which are prepared by some of the best tax lawyers in the country) why didnt the obama IRS find it and make an issue of it?

Trump had russian help in 2016 ILLEGAL help ,,,and he's trying to do it again without getting slapped down Try to be honest now IF this was Obama obstructing and abusing like trump is doing now you wouldn't be tearing your hair out??

what exactly did the Russians do that caused Trump to win in 2016? What specifically did they do, where did they do it, and which votes were changed because of it?

For one they posted in FB and other places lies about Hillary, and in states where they felt were close enough to bring change to Repub Like Wiscon Mich and Penn

 

[Redfish]

In order to make that statute apply you need to assume that an investigaton into Joe and Hunter Biden's little Ukrainian "Quid Pro Quo A Rama" is a "thing of value" to Donald Trump's election campaign...an assumption that is one hell of a big stretch! That statute is written to preclude foreign governments from financing politicians here in the United States. They're talking about money and other things of value...like a plane...or freebies to be distributed to buy votes...not an investigation into corruption!

Oppo research costs money and would be covered as an in kind expense.

Gee, now how did Hillary have that extra cash lying around to pay Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS all that money to smear Donald Trump, IM2? Oh, that's right...she took in "donations" from foreign governments and individuals to the Clinton Foundation and then used part of THAT money to help pay the salaries of her campaign staff! Wait a second!!! Isn't that EXACTLY why that statute was written prohibiting foreigners from contributing to US politicians?

You might want to ask the Washington Examiner that question. Hillary didn't use Clinton Foundation money to pay staff. She ran in 2008 and since you can't use campaign funds for anything else, it is apparent she had money left over on top of the money she was getting in donations in 2016.

But hey we just can't help but to keep trying making a Clinton a criminal. Do ya got something on the grandchild now? Did he drink illegal milk?

Actually that's exactly what Hillary did! Key staff members who worked on her reelection campaign were also getting paid salaries from the Clinton Foundation. It's a rather slick way to get around campaign finance laws.

So something illegal or not? The Clinton Foundation is still in operation and the Clintons aren't barred from charity work...unlike Trump.

yes, it was illegal and the clinton foundation is NOT still in operation.

 

[Redfish]

the whole russia thing was so ridiculous, why not make a joke of it? the entire dem party has become a joke and thats too bad for the country, the party of Kennedy and Truman has been murdered by the clintons and obamas

Red you still don't get it?? What are people with brains in their heads supposed to think of Trump holding back documents, holding back 5 or 6 witnesses who have been under subpoena? No other president held back so much from congress as trump On another note the schmuck even held back showing his taxes like all others since Nixon have You must think we're all stupid not to know that dishonesty has followed trump throughout his lifetime

Ok eddie, lets go slow so you can possibly understand.

Executive privilege is in our constitution, there is no legal requirement for the president's inner circle to testify in a kangaroo court proceeding being held by partisan democrats who cannot get over Trump winning in 2016.

This whole impeachment bullshit is nothing but the dems looking for a talking point for the 2020 campaign because they know that Trump cannot be beat in a fair election, so this is their way of cheating. They know that it will never pass the senate but they want to be able to scream 24/4/7/365 next year "Trump was impeached" !!! Thats all it has ever been about.

On his taxes: His returns are hundreds of pages long, if he released them some idiot on MSNBC would pull out one line on one page and make up lies about what it says and the country would waste thousands of hours refuting that claim. Everyone with a brain knows thats what would happen, probably even you.

If he was cheating on his taxes (which are prepared by some of the best tax lawyers in the country) why didnt the obama IRS find it and make an issue of it?

Trump had russian help in 2016 ILLEGAL help ,,,and he's trying to do it again without getting slapped down Try to be honest now IF this was Obama obstructing and abusing like trump is doing now you wouldn't be tearing your hair out??

what exactly did the Russians do that caused Trump to win in 2016? What specifically did they do, where did they do it, and which votes were changed because of it?

For one they posted in FB and other places lies about Hillary, and in states where they felt were close enough to bring change to Repub Like Wiscon Mich and Penn

LOL, but the FB lies about Trump didn't affect any votes? there were more negative Trump posts on FB than there were on hillary.

sorry, fail, got anything else?

 

[edward37]

That there was anything wrong or political in the origins of the FISA request on Carter Page...for starters

That Sztrok and Page while no fans of Trump...engaged in no official acts that were politically motivated

the report details 17 errors, omissions, or falsehoods in the FISA applications. those were not official acts? lying to a FISA court is not a crime?

for FBI employees to plot to destroy a president is not a crime?

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Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report, which examined the conduct of the FBI toward President Donald Trump’s campaign, uncovered text messages from agents celebrating Trump’s 2016 victory.

“In our review, we also learned that, in 2016, the FBI had several other CHSs [Confidential Human Sources] with either a connection to candidate Trump or a role in the Trump campaign. Some of these sources were known to and available for use by the Crossfire Hurricane team during the ...

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[Redfish]

That there was anything wrong or political in the origins of the FISA request on Carter Page...for starters

That Sztrok and Page while no fans of Trump...engaged in no official acts that were politically motivated

the report details 17 errors, omissions, or falsehoods in the FISA applications. those were not official acts? lying to a FISA court is not a crime?

for FBI employees to plot to destroy a president is not a crime?

1313





Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report, which examined the conduct of the FBI toward President Donald Trump’s campaign, uncovered text messages from agents celebrating Trump’s 2016 victory.

“In our review, we also learned that, in 2016, the FBI had several other CHSs [Confidential Human Sources] with either a connection to candidate Trump or a role in the Trump campaign. Some of these sources were known to and available for use by the Crossfire Hurricane team during the ...

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Ok, so what? did it find any FBI employees actively plotting to overthrow hillary like Strzok and Page were doing to Trump? NO, it did not.

 

[edward37]

does that satisfy your curiosity?

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

trump lied to you. And you fell for it. There are at least 8 heads that need to roll Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, Energy Secretary Rick Perry, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, ex-national security adviser John Bolton, acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, Vice President Mike Pence, trump and I am including William Barr. There was no deep state. There was no coup. There is no witch hunt or hoax.

There was nothing but a bunch of trumps lies.

The time has come for trump.

In a huge blow to Trump, the DOJ watchdog found no evidence to support the claim that the FBI spied on his 2016 campaign
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Sonam Sheth and Eliza Relman

The Justice Department's inspector general found no evidence to support President Donald Trump's claim that the FBI inserted spies in his 2016 presidential campaign, The New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with a draft of the report.

Trump has repeatedly and baselessly alleged that the FBI inserted covert operators in his campaign.

He also alleged, without evidence, that former President Barack Obama had intelligence officials tap his phones, a claim the report is also expected to undercut.

Sources told The Times and The Washington Post that while the report undermines Trump's most extreme claims, it also faults the FBI for making bureaucratic mistakes when applying for a warrant to surveil Carter Page, a former Trump campaign aide.

The Justice Department's inspector general found no evidence to support President Donald Trump's claim that the FBI spied on his 2016 presidential campaign while investigating whether the campaign was conspiring with the Russian government to interfere in the election, The New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with a draft of the report.

In a huge blow to Trump, the DOJ watchdog found no evidence to support the claim that the FBI spied on his 2016 campaign

Poor Don, evabody always be pickin' on him.

 

[Redfish]

does that satisfy your curiosity?

not even close. You claimed that the Russians helped Trump win, but you can't tell us exactly how they did that, where they did it, or which votes were changed because of it.

What the Russians were successful at doing was planting BS about both sides in order to get this country divided and angry at each other. Why are you libs unable to understand that?

 

[Oldstyle]

( "Russia if you're listening ") That was a joke, are you so dumb that you think it was serious?

So now Trump is a jokester?? A real comic ?? He has been I agree ,as a president but he wasn't trying to be funny

the whole russia thing was so ridiculous, why not make a joke of it? the entire dem party has become a joke and thats too bad for the country, the party of Kennedy and Truman has been murdered by the clintons and obamas

Red you still don't get it?? What are people with brains in their heads supposed to think of Trump holding back documents, holding back 5 or 6 witnesses who have been under subpoena? No other president held back so much from congress as trump On another note the schmuck even held back showing his taxes like all others since Nixon have You must think we're all stupid not to know that dishonesty has followed trump throughout his lifetime

Ok eddie, lets go slow so you can possibly understand.

Executive privilege is in our constitution, there is no legal requirement for the president's inner circle to testify in a kangaroo court proceeding being held by partisan democrats who cannot get over Trump winning in 2016.

This whole impeachment bullshit is nothing but the dems looking for a talking point for the 2020 campaign because they know that Trump cannot be beat in a fair election, so this is their way of cheating. They know that it will never pass the senate but they want to be able to scream 24/4/7/365 next year "Trump was impeached" !!! Thats all it has ever been about.

On his taxes: His returns are hundreds of pages long, if he released them some idiot on MSNBC would pull out one line on one page and make up lies about what it says and the country would waste thousands of hours refuting that claim. Everyone with a brain knows thats what would happen, probably even you.

If he was cheating on his taxes (which are prepared by some of the best tax lawyers in the country) why didnt the obama IRS find it and make an issue of it?

And ONE more thing Red Do you think all those under subpoena that trump refuses to let testify can clear him or bury him if allowed to speak?? And what about all the hidden documents ?? Think they'd clear that stinkin sob in our WH??

The White House is under no obligation to share with Congress the intimate discussions that take place during meetings at the White House. That's established law and WAS long before Trump took office! You liberals are a lynch mob in search of something you can hang Trump with and after nearly three long years of trying...you haven't come up with anything! Obstruction of justice charges simply because Trump won't cave on Executive Privilege shows how desperate you are! Bribery for asking for an investigation into Quid Pro Quo by Biden is laughable!

This trial in the Senate is going to be a hoot! Bring it on, Democrats! Just remember that in the Senate...you won't be able to pick who testifies and exclude those you don't want to hear from. You think you got your nose bloodied in the House hearings? Wait until the subpoenas start going out from the Senate!

 

[Oldstyle]

the whole russia thing was so ridiculous, why not make a joke of it? the entire dem party has become a joke and thats too bad for the country, the party of Kennedy and Truman has been murdered by the clintons and obamas

Red you still don't get it?? What are people with brains in their heads supposed to think of Trump holding back documents, holding back 5 or 6 witnesses who have been under subpoena? No other president held back so much from congress as trump On another note the schmuck even held back showing his taxes like all others since Nixon have You must think we're all stupid not to know that dishonesty has followed trump throughout his lifetime

Ok eddie, lets go slow so you can possibly understand.

Executive privilege is in our constitution, there is no legal requirement for the president's inner circle to testify in a kangaroo court proceeding being held by partisan democrats who cannot get over Trump winning in 2016.

This whole impeachment bullshit is nothing but the dems looking for a talking point for the 2020 campaign because they know that Trump cannot be beat in a fair election, so this is their way of cheating. They know that it will never pass the senate but they want to be able to scream 24/4/7/365 next year "Trump was impeached" !!! Thats all it has ever been about.

On his taxes: His returns are hundreds of pages long, if he released them some idiot on MSNBC would pull out one line on one page and make up lies about what it says and the country would waste thousands of hours refuting that claim. Everyone with a brain knows thats what would happen, probably even you.

If he was cheating on his taxes (which are prepared by some of the best tax lawyers in the country) why didnt the obama IRS find it and make an issue of it?

Trump had russian help in 2016 ILLEGAL help ,,,and he's trying to do it again without getting slapped down Try to be honest now IF this was Obama obstructing and abusing like trump is doing now you wouldn't be tearing your hair out??

what exactly did the Russians do that caused Trump to win in 2016? What specifically did they do, where did they do it, and which votes were changed because of it?

For one they posted in FB and other places lies about Hillary, and in states where they felt were close enough to bring change to Repub Like Wiscon Mich and Penn

What lies were posted about Hillary? The things that brought down Clinton weren't "lies"...they were the unvarnished truth! The lies were what Hillary paid Glenn Simpson at Fusion GPS to come up with to smear Trump!

 

[Oldstyle]

What makes it illegal? The President is calling for an investigation into what appears to be Quid Pro Quo between a former Vice President and a foreign corporation that was under investigation for corruption. How does THAT become illegal? Because Biden is running for the Democratic nomination?

This is what makes it illegal....

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

In order to make that statute apply you need to assume that an investigaton into Joe and Hunter Biden's little Ukrainian "Quid Pro Quo A Rama" is a "thing of value" to Donald Trump's election campaign...an assumption that is one hell of a big stretch! That statute is written to preclude foreign governments from financing politicians here in the United States. They're talking about money and other things of value...like a plane...or freebies to be distributed to buy votes...not an investigation into corruption!

Oppo research costs money and would be covered as an in kind expense.

Gee, now how did Hillary have that extra cash lying around to pay Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS all that money to smear Donald Trump, IM2? Oh, that's right...she took in "donations" from foreign governments and individuals to the Clinton Foundation and then used part of THAT money to help pay the salaries of her campaign staff! Wait a second!!! Isn't that EXACTLY why that statute was written prohibiting foreigners from contributing to US politicians?

Hillary hired a U.S. company.

She hired a US company to hire foreign nationals to create and distribute phony "dossiers" about Donald Trump right before the election! My guess is she and her little brain trust thought smearing Trump like that would distract voters from all of the sleazy things about her that had been revealed when her emails were exposed!

 

[Toro]

It looks like Trump was right to fire Comey.

 

[Faun]

This is what makes it illegal....

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

In order to make that statute apply you need to assume that an investigaton into Joe and Hunter Biden's little Ukrainian "Quid Pro Quo A Rama" is a "thing of value" to Donald Trump's election campaign...an assumption that is one hell of a big stretch! That statute is written to preclude foreign governments from financing politicians here in the United States. They're talking about money and other things of value...like a plane...or freebies to be distributed to buy votes...not an investigation into corruption!

Oppo research costs money and would be covered as an in kind expense.

Gee, now how did Hillary have that extra cash lying around to pay Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS all that money to smear Donald Trump, IM2? Oh, that's right...she took in "donations" from foreign governments and individuals to the Clinton Foundation and then used part of THAT money to help pay the salaries of her campaign staff! Wait a second!!! Isn't that EXACTLY why that statute was written prohibiting foreigners from contributing to US politicians?

Hillary hired a U.S. company.

She hired a US company to hire foreign nationals to create and distribute phony "dossiers" about Donald Trump right before the election! My guess is she and her little brain trust thought smearing Trump like that would distract voters from all of the sleazy things about her that had been revealed when her emails were exposed!

To this day, you have offered zero evidence she was involved with, or knew of, Fusion GPS hiring Steele.

All you do is spout bullshit.

 

[Oldstyle]

In order to make that statute apply you need to assume that an investigaton into Joe and Hunter Biden's little Ukrainian "Quid Pro Quo A Rama" is a "thing of value" to Donald Trump's election campaign...an assumption that is one hell of a big stretch! That statute is written to preclude foreign governments from financing politicians here in the United States. They're talking about money and other things of value...like a plane...or freebies to be distributed to buy votes...not an investigation into corruption!

Oppo research costs money and would be covered as an in kind expense.

Gee, now how did Hillary have that extra cash lying around to pay Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS all that money to smear Donald Trump, IM2? Oh, that's right...she took in "donations" from foreign governments and individuals to the Clinton Foundation and then used part of THAT money to help pay the salaries of her campaign staff! Wait a second!!! Isn't that EXACTLY why that statute was written prohibiting foreigners from contributing to US politicians?

Hillary hired a U.S. company.

She hired a US company to hire foreign nationals to create and distribute phony "dossiers" about Donald Trump right before the election! My guess is she and her little brain trust thought smearing Trump like that would distract voters from all of the sleazy things about her that had been revealed when her emails were exposed!

To this day, you have offered zero evidence she was involved with, or knew of, Fusion GPS hiring Steele.

All you do is spout bullshit.

Involved with it? SHE FUNDED IT, YOU COLOSSAL BUFFOON!!!

 

[Oldstyle]

Claiming that Hillary Clinton didn't "know" about what Fusion GPS was doing is the last refuge of a lying partisan hack, Faun! It's almost as laughable as claiming she didn't "understand" that running the State Department on two servers hidden in her home was against the law!

 

[basquebromance]

i can definitively say Trump is not a liar.

/thread

 

[Faun]

Oppo research costs money and would be covered as an in kind expense.

Gee, now how did Hillary have that extra cash lying around to pay Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS all that money to smear Donald Trump, IM2? Oh, that's right...she took in "donations" from foreign governments and individuals to the Clinton Foundation and then used part of THAT money to help pay the salaries of her campaign staff! Wait a second!!! Isn't that EXACTLY why that statute was written prohibiting foreigners from contributing to US politicians?

Hillary hired a U.S. company.

She hired a US company to hire foreign nationals to create and distribute phony "dossiers" about Donald Trump right before the election! My guess is she and her little brain trust thought smearing Trump like that would distract voters from all of the sleazy things about her that had been revealed when her emails were exposed!

To this day, you have offered zero evidence she was involved with, or knew of, Fusion GPS hiring Steele.

All you do is spout bullshit.

Involved with it? SHE FUNDED IT, YOU COLOSSAL BUFFOON!!!

Your nonsense fails to show she knew Fusion GPS hired Steele.

Keep lying, lying con tool.