Another moment of accidental honesty from a Democrat

[P@triot]

Democrat accidentally admits that Obamacare must redistribute wealth to work...

The main rationale for Obamacare is that the individual-health-care market is dysfunctional. Most people who can’t get group insurance — either through their job or through a government-financed plan, like Medicare — can’t get any insurance at all. Insurers have to make sure they don’t attract sick customers, so they either attach hidden conditions to their insurance to protect against covering expensive care, or else limit their policies to very healthy people. That’s why people with individual insurance are much less satisfied than people with group-based insurance.

It is true that some of those very healthy people can get cheap insurance, as long as they remain healthy. But insurance requires spreading risk from the healthy to the sick. That’s how employer insurance works, and people like that kind of insurance much more. The math is also inescapable. If insurance companies have to charge sick people less than it costs to cover their medical expenses, then the money needs to come from somewhere. Obamacare furnishes some of that money through tax credits, some of it through Medicaid expansions, but a portion comes from higher premiums to people who are healthy.

Clinton Endorses Keep Your Plan, Won't Say How

 

[The T]

Democrat accidentally admits that Obamacare must redistribute wealth to work...

The main rationale for Obamacare is that the individual-health-care market is dysfunctional. Most people who can’t get group insurance — either through their job or through a government-financed plan, like Medicare — can’t get any insurance at all. Insurers have to make sure they don’t attract sick customers, so they either attach hidden conditions to their insurance to protect against covering expensive care, or else limit their policies to very healthy people. That’s why people with individual insurance are much less satisfied than people with group-based insurance.

It is true that some of those very healthy people can get cheap insurance, as long as they remain healthy. But insurance requires spreading risk from the healthy to the sick. That’s how employer insurance works, and people like that kind of insurance much more. The math is also inescapable. If insurance companies have to charge sick people less than it costs to cover their medical expenses, then the money needs to come from somewhere. Obamacare furnishes some of that money through tax credits, some of it through Medicaid expansions, but a portion comes from higher premiums to people who are healthy.

Clinton Endorses Keep Your Plan, Won't Say How

The ONLY way is to trash the law. Good find BTW...

 

[Mac1958]

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The apologists will usually say it without really saying it, especially when you give the example of a 50-year old man having to pay for maternity coverage. It's essentially an extra tax on the middle class and up. They must be punished, and this is a great backdoor way to do it.

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[william the wie]

Actually the loopholes are beginning to bloom so the wealth is redistributing from blue states to red at an ever faster rate. Junk bond status is becoming a blue state worry fast. But other than IL I doubt state defaults will hit takeoff until 2017 when the subsidies end.

 

[velvtacheeze]

Democrat accidentally admits that Obamacare must redistribute wealth to work...

The main rationale for Obamacare is that the individual-health-care market is dysfunctional. Most people who can’t get group insurance — either through their job or through a government-financed plan, like Medicare — can’t get any insurance at all. Insurers have to make sure they don’t attract sick customers, so they either attach hidden conditions to their insurance to protect against covering expensive care, or else limit their policies to very healthy people. That’s why people with individual insurance are much less satisfied than people with group-based insurance.

It is true that some of those very healthy people can get cheap insurance, as long as they remain healthy. But insurance requires spreading risk from the healthy to the sick. That’s how employer insurance works, and people like that kind of insurance much more. The math is also inescapable. If insurance companies have to charge sick people less than it costs to cover their medical expenses, then the money needs to come from somewhere. Obamacare furnishes some of that money through tax credits, some of it through Medicaid expansions, but a portion comes from higher premiums to people who are healthy.

Clinton Endorses Keep Your Plan, Won't Say How

Sorry, but not all redistribution programs can be Medicare D or farm subsidies.

(Cue the usual, eye-rolling, right wing reply: "But I'm agin' them thar socialisms!" Yeah, right, sure you are. )

 

[william the wie]

Democrat accidentally admits that Obamacare must redistribute wealth to work...

The main rationale for Obamacare is that the individual-health-care market is dysfunctional. Most people who can’t get group insurance — either through their job or through a government-financed plan, like Medicare — can’t get any insurance at all. Insurers have to make sure they don’t attract sick customers, so they either attach hidden conditions to their insurance to protect against covering expensive care, or else limit their policies to very healthy people. That’s why people with individual insurance are much less satisfied than people with group-based insurance.

It is true that some of those very healthy people can get cheap insurance, as long as they remain healthy. But insurance requires spreading risk from the healthy to the sick. That’s how employer insurance works, and people like that kind of insurance much more. The math is also inescapable. If insurance companies have to charge sick people less than it costs to cover their medical expenses, then the money needs to come from somewhere. Obamacare furnishes some of that money through tax credits, some of it through Medicaid expansions, but a portion comes from higher premiums to people who are healthy.

Clinton Endorses Keep Your Plan, Won't Say How

Sorry, but not all redistribution programs can be Medicare D or farm subsidies.

(Cue the usual, eye-rolling, right wing reply: "But I'm agin' them thar socialisms!" Yeah, right, sure you are. )

Thanks for summarizing why I am a Libertarian but a better answer is to go back to Nixon and the Penn-Central nationalization then document the pink nature of at least the country club Republicans. If you want more examples PM me.

 

[P@triot]

Democrat accidentally admits that Obamacare must redistribute wealth to work...

The main rationale for Obamacare is that the individual-health-care market is dysfunctional. Most people who can’t get group insurance — either through their job or through a government-financed plan, like Medicare — can’t get any insurance at all. Insurers have to make sure they don’t attract sick customers, so they either attach hidden conditions to their insurance to protect against covering expensive care, or else limit their policies to very healthy people. That’s why people with individual insurance are much less satisfied than people with group-based insurance.

It is true that some of those very healthy people can get cheap insurance, as long as they remain healthy. But insurance requires spreading risk from the healthy to the sick. That’s how employer insurance works, and people like that kind of insurance much more. The math is also inescapable. If insurance companies have to charge sick people less than it costs to cover their medical expenses, then the money needs to come from somewhere. Obamacare furnishes some of that money through tax credits, some of it through Medicaid expansions, but a portion comes from higher premiums to people who are healthy.

Clinton Endorses Keep Your Plan, Won't Say How

Sorry, but not all redistribution programs can be Medicare D or farm subsidies.

(Cue the usual, eye-rolling, right wing reply: "But I'm agin' them thar socialisms!" Yeah, right, sure you are. )

Not sure who you intended that for V, but it certainly can't be me. I vehemently oppose Medicare (yes Part D as well), Medicaid, Social Security, any government subsidy.

 

[The T]

Democrat accidentally admits that Obamacare must redistribute wealth to work...

The main rationale for Obamacare is that the individual-health-care market is dysfunctional. Most people who can’t get group insurance — either through their job or through a government-financed plan, like Medicare — can’t get any insurance at all. Insurers have to make sure they don’t attract sick customers, so they either attach hidden conditions to their insurance to protect against covering expensive care, or else limit their policies to very healthy people. That’s why people with individual insurance are much less satisfied than people with group-based insurance.

It is true that some of those very healthy people can get cheap insurance, as long as they remain healthy. But insurance requires spreading risk from the healthy to the sick. That’s how employer insurance works, and people like that kind of insurance much more. The math is also inescapable. If insurance companies have to charge sick people less than it costs to cover their medical expenses, then the money needs to come from somewhere. Obamacare furnishes some of that money through tax credits, some of it through Medicaid expansions, but a portion comes from higher premiums to people who are healthy.

Clinton Endorses Keep Your Plan, Won't Say How

Sorry, but not all redistribution programs can be Medicare D or farm subsidies.

(Cue the usual, eye-rolling, right wing reply: "But I'm agin' them thar socialisms!" Yeah, right, sure you are. )

Not sure who you intended that for V, but it certainly can't be me. I vehemently oppose Medicare (yes Part D as well), Medicaid, Social Security, any government subsidy.

ALL of which are matters of personal responsibility. Government has NO business in ANY of it.

 

[OnePercenter]

Democrat accidentally admits that Obamacare must redistribute wealth to work...

The main rationale for Obamacare is that the individual-health-care market is dysfunctional. Most people who can’t get group insurance — either through their job or through a government-financed plan, like Medicare — can’t get any insurance at all. Insurers have to make sure they don’t attract sick customers, so they either attach hidden conditions to their insurance to protect against covering expensive care, or else limit their policies to very healthy people. That’s why people with individual insurance are much less satisfied than people with group-based insurance.

It is true that some of those very healthy people can get cheap insurance, as long as they remain healthy. But insurance requires spreading risk from the healthy to the sick. That’s how employer insurance works, and people like that kind of insurance much more. The math is also inescapable. If insurance companies have to charge sick people less than it costs to cover their medical expenses, then the money needs to come from somewhere. Obamacare furnishes some of that money through tax credits, some of it through Medicaid expansions, but a portion comes from higher premiums to people who are healthy.

Clinton Endorses Keep Your Plan, Won't Say How

The ONLY way is to trash the law. Good find BTW...

To what end?

 

[OnePercenter]

Sorry, but not all redistribution programs can be Medicare D or farm subsidies.

(Cue the usual, eye-rolling, right wing reply: "But I'm agin' them thar socialisms!" Yeah, right, sure you are. )

Not sure who you intended that for V, but it certainly can't be me. I vehemently oppose Medicare (yes Part D as well), Medicaid, Social Security, any government subsidy.

ALL of which are matters of personal responsibility. Government has NO business in ANY of it.

What has brought us to this point is deregulation (HMO act) so you may have a point.

 

[The T]

Democrat accidentally admits that Obamacare must redistribute wealth to work...

The main rationale for Obamacare is that the individual-health-care market is dysfunctional. Most people who can’t get group insurance — either through their job or through a government-financed plan, like Medicare — can’t get any insurance at all. Insurers have to make sure they don’t attract sick customers, so they either attach hidden conditions to their insurance to protect against covering expensive care, or else limit their policies to very healthy people. That’s why people with individual insurance are much less satisfied than people with group-based insurance.

It is true that some of those very healthy people can get cheap insurance, as long as they remain healthy. But insurance requires spreading risk from the healthy to the sick. That’s how employer insurance works, and people like that kind of insurance much more. The math is also inescapable. If insurance companies have to charge sick people less than it costs to cover their medical expenses, then the money needs to come from somewhere. Obamacare furnishes some of that money through tax credits, some of it through Medicaid expansions, but a portion comes from higher premiums to people who are healthy.

Clinton Endorses Keep Your Plan, Won't Say How

The ONLY way is to trash the law. Good find BTW...

To what end?

Let the private sector and Competition do what it does. Sure the industry has a few leaks in the roof...and WHY does government come along and blow up the building to fix a few leaks?

DO YOU really want government running 1/6th of the US economy? Like losing your choice? Your Liberty TO choose what's best for YOU and your family? THINK government has your best interest at heart?

*THINK*

 

[OnePercenter]

The ONLY way is to trash the law. Good find BTW...

To what end?

Let the private sector and Competition do what it does. Sure the industry has a few leaks in the roof...and WHY does government come along and blow up the building to fix a few leaks?

DO YOU really want government running 1/6th of the US economy? Like losing your choice? Your Liberty TO choose what's best for YOU and your family? THINK government has your best interest at heart?

*THINK*

What competition? You have three companies controlling 95% of the market who charge almost exactly the same.

 

[The T]

To what end?

Let the private sector and Competition do what it does. Sure the industry has a few leaks in the roof...and WHY does government come along and blow up the building to fix a few leaks?

DO YOU really want government running 1/6th of the US economy? Like losing your choice? Your Liberty TO choose what's best for YOU and your family? THINK government has your best interest at heart?

*THINK*

What competition? You have three companies controlling 95% of the market who charge almost exactly the same.

Really? CARE to back that up with credible sources? I DOUBT you can. HOW do you explain that 80% of people were happy with what they had, and now are pushed to higher premiums and so forth to comply with a GOVERNMENT DICTATE to pay for things that they don't need?

I WILL BE WAITING for your synopsis, OBJECTIVE response.

 

[The T]

I won't hold my breath, either.

 

[OnePercenter]

Let the private sector and Competition do what it does. Sure the industry has a few leaks in the roof...and WHY does government come along and blow up the building to fix a few leaks?

DO YOU really want government running 1/6th of the US economy? Like losing your choice? Your Liberty TO choose what's best for YOU and your family? THINK government has your best interest at heart?

*THINK*

What competition? You have three companies controlling 95% of the market who charge almost exactly the same.

Really? CARE to back that up with credible sources? I DOUBT you can. HOW do you explain that 80% of people were happy with what they had, and now are pushed to higher premiums and so forth to comply with a GOVERNMENT DICTATE to pay for things that they don't need?

I WILL BE WAITING for your synopsis, OBJECTIVE response.

Hope I haven't kept you waiting!

Here's a link to the top 25 healthcare insurance companies in the US. Tell me how many of the 4-25 that the top 3 own.

http://health.usnews.com/health-plans/national-insurance-companies

I'll get you started:

No.1 owns No.10

HOW do you explain that 80% of people were happy with what they had

Who are these 80%? People that have employer paid health? People that go to the Doctor on the taxpayers dime?

 

[The T]

What competition? You have three companies controlling 95% of the market who charge almost exactly the same.

Really? CARE to back that up with credible sources? I DOUBT you can. HOW do you explain that 80% of people were happy with what they had, and now are pushed to higher premiums and so forth to comply with a GOVERNMENT DICTATE to pay for things that they don't need?

I WILL BE WAITING for your synopsis, OBJECTIVE response.

Hope I haven't kept you waiting!

Here's a link to the top 25 healthcare insurance companies in the US. Tell me how many of the 4-25 that the top 3 own.

I'll get you started:

No.1 owns No.10

HOW do you explain that 80% of people were happy with what they had

Who are these 80%? People that have employer paid health? People that go to the Doctor on the taxpayers dime?

NOT what I asked of you is it?

*DENIED*

 

[OnePercenter]

Really? CARE to back that up with credible sources? I DOUBT you can. HOW do you explain that 80% of people were happy with what they had, and now are pushed to higher premiums and so forth to comply with a GOVERNMENT DICTATE to pay for things that they don't need?

I WILL BE WAITING for your synopsis, OBJECTIVE response.

Hope I haven't kept you waiting!

Here's a link to the top 25 healthcare insurance companies in the US. Tell me how many of the 4-25 that the top 3 own.

I'll get you started:

No.1 owns No.10

HOW do you explain that 80% of people were happy with what they had

Who are these 80%? People that have employer paid health? People that go to the Doctor on the taxpayers dime?

NOT what I asked of you is it?

*DENIED*

You

 

[Politico]

Nothing accidental about it. Everyone knew it was a Ponzi scheme to begin with.

 

[P@triot]

To what end?

Let the private sector and Competition do what it does. Sure the industry has a few leaks in the roof...and WHY does government come along and blow up the building to fix a few leaks?

DO YOU really want government running 1/6th of the US economy? Like losing your choice? Your Liberty TO choose what's best for YOU and your family? THINK government has your best interest at heart?

*THINK*

What competition? You have three companies controlling 95% of the market who charge almost exactly the same.

So then why don't you start the fourth company and charge exponentially less [MENTION=43400]OnePercenter[/MENTION]? That's the beauty of the free market. If you don't like something, you are empowered to change it.

That's the funny thing about the left - they demand that someone else provide them with a job, but they are never willing to create their own or create one for someone else. They demand that someone provide them with a salary which they determine as "living wage" but they are never willing to provide their own salary or provide a salary to someone else.

If everyone was like a liberal, nobody would have a job in this country and everyone would be living off of the government which wouldn't exist because it would have no income. Sorry OnePercenter - you can't ask someone else to do what you yourself are not willing to do.