Another Trump disappointment: Sessions bringing back the War on Some Drug Users

[Markle]

From the Washington Post:

The Sessions memo marks the first

From the Washington Post:

The Sessions memo marks the first significant criminal justice effort by the Trump administration to bring back the toughest practices of the drug war, which had fallen out of favor in recent years with a bipartisan movement to undo the damaging effects of mass incarceration.
​

Of all the very serious issues out there, THIS is what Sessions puts out there? The stupid, unwinnable, unjust War on Drugs.

BUILD THE FUCKING WALL!!!

SMH

Your quote is not sourced because it came from the DemocratUnderground. Your headline is also a lie as the memo did not call for harsh treatment of recreational users but rather TRAFFICKERS, those dealing drugs.

Oh, the DemocratUnderground is shown as a dangerous site by Malwarebytes or Google itself.

 

[Markle]

Then there is the corrosive effect on our law enforcement the practice has had of asset forfeiture, which grew out of our insane war on an inanimate object. A majority of police departments in the United States now get more than 50% of their annual budgets from the proceeds from armed seizures (robbery) of the property of private citizens. How glaringly stupid can a policy be? Any reasonably bright eight-year-old should be able to see why you don't give the guys with the guns a financial incentive to discover lawbreakers.

I have heard some horror stories on asset forfeiture but that was generally from local law enforcement.

We had a neighborly friend that once upon a time owned a large trucking firm. He'd built it from the ground up. He started running drugs as the money was good. He used to tell me, 'I had a million dollars once, the government stole it and told me I had to like it'. He lost it all, the trucking firm, the money he'd saved up and his beautiful wife. The one thing that he couldn't get over was loosing his beautiful wife. He was doing the 'fly now pay later' when he ran the drugs with his firm. We met him during the time he was very humbly paying the price. He was test driving cigarette boats out of Miami Bay before there ever was a Miami Vice television show.

I think it's gotten really bad in some small towns. The narcs scoop up all the big plums and get used to that lifestyle, but as they get bigger and more decked out with all the latest technology, paid for by their victims, their prey become smaller and smaller until eventually they are seizing the family car from high school kids are caught with a dime bag of meth in it.

I can see within reason someone that used illegal means to gain wealth to have seizure laws for that instance but I have often wondered about abuse that could ensue. If someone borrowed a car or trailer from you could your property be seized. If so would a little person be able to pay attorneys to retrieve it in the courts or would it be worth it since the attorney bill would cost as much as to replace the item. Heck they took an antique clip from my 70 year old mom at the airport claiming it could be used as a weapon when they first started that whole affair. She was already through the gates and couldn't even get back to where we were to give it to me for I could mail it to her. Back when they put all the info on what was going down with pulling over out of stater's in nice vehicles in Louisiana my daughter called me as we were going through there in the next day or two. She wanted me to drive all the way around Louisiana on our way to Florida verses taking a chance on driving through there and them seizing my customized pickup truck. I told her not to get frenzied I'd be fine. Day or two later as we were going through my parents were behind me in their pickup camper when a state police went flying by them and slowed at my bumper. We weren't sure if the guy ran the plates and learned it was corporate own or if it was the big dogs in the cab with me that deterred him. Whichever one it was either the dogs or plates after a brief checking us out going down the road he decided to pass and went on.

I once sold a piece of my artwork (to a cop, interestingly) out of state and the guy paid for it in cash. On the way back home, I was pulled over by a state patrol for tinted windows (but probably because I was driving a Jag with DC plates). I hadn't bothered to stash the cash anywhere so it was in plain sight. The cop sees the cash and takes that as probable cause I'm carrying drugs. So he calls for backup and they search my car and can't find anything except some paraphernalia, but they want that cash ($14,000), so they go ahead and arrest me for the paraphernalia. They take me to jail and inform me they are seizing my cash. They flew in a special car searching team of experts and tore my car apart. Had the entire engine out of the car the guy at the garage told me later. Still couldn't find my drugs, because I didn't have any. Finally, they let me go, but they keep my cash and, as you suspected, it cost me exactly half of it in attorney fees to get it back. Crooks. My car was destroyed. On the way back to DC I hit a rain storm and water just poured out of the roof and when I got home and opened the trunk, there was a foot of water standing in it. I ended up basically junking the car out. I demanded compensation, and was ignored. I explored suing but it would have cost me so much to sue it wasn't worth the risk. Bastards.

Specifically, what was the paraphernalia?

 

[aaronleland]

At least the small government Republicans can show how small government they are.

So... how about those bombs in Syria?

 

[Rustic]

From the Washington Post:

The Sessions memo marks the first significant criminal justice effort by the Trump administration to bring back the toughest practices of the drug war, which had fallen out of favor in recent years with a bipartisan movement to undo the damaging effects of mass incarceration.
​

Of all the very serious issues out there, THIS is what Sessions puts out there? The stupid, unwinnable, unjust War on Drugs.

BUILD THE FUCKING WALL!!!

SMH

So you want violent criminals to get off Scott free? Typical socialist

Where did I mention "violent criminals"?

The vast majority of drug dealers are...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then there is the corrosive effect on our law enforcement the practice has had of asset forfeiture, which grew out of our insane war on an inanimate object. A majority of police departments in the United States now get more than 50% of their annual budgets from the proceeds from armed seizures (robbery) of the property of private citizens. How glaringly stupid can a policy be? Any reasonably bright eight-year-old should be able to see why you don't give the guys with the guns a financial incentive to discover lawbreakers.

I have heard some horror stories on asset forfeiture but that was generally from local law enforcement.

We had a neighborly friend that once upon a time owned a large trucking firm. He'd built it from the ground up. He started running drugs as the money was good. He used to tell me, 'I had a million dollars once, the government stole it and told me I had to like it'. He lost it all, the trucking firm, the money he'd saved up and his beautiful wife. The one thing that he couldn't get over was loosing his beautiful wife. He was doing the 'fly now pay later' when he ran the drugs with his firm. We met him during the time he was very humbly paying the price. He was test driving cigarette boats out of Miami Bay before there ever was a Miami Vice television show.

I think it's gotten really bad in some small towns. The narcs scoop up all the big plums and get used to that lifestyle, but as they get bigger and more decked out with all the latest technology, paid for by their victims, their prey become smaller and smaller until eventually they are seizing the family car from high school kids are caught with a dime bag of meth in it.

I can see within reason someone that used illegal means to gain wealth to have seizure laws for that instance but I have often wondered about abuse that could ensue. If someone borrowed a car or trailer from you could your property be seized. If so would a little person be able to pay attorneys to retrieve it in the courts or would it be worth it since the attorney bill would cost as much as to replace the item. Heck they took an antique clip from my 70 year old mom at the airport claiming it could be used as a weapon when they first started that whole affair. She was already through the gates and couldn't even get back to where we were to give it to me for I could mail it to her. Back when they put all the info on what was going down with pulling over out of stater's in nice vehicles in Louisiana my daughter called me as we were going through there in the next day or two. She wanted me to drive all the way around Louisiana on our way to Florida verses taking a chance on driving through there and them seizing my customized pickup truck. I told her not to get frenzied I'd be fine. Day or two later as we were going through my parents were behind me in their pickup camper when a state police went flying by them and slowed at my bumper. We weren't sure if the guy ran the plates and learned it was corporate own or if it was the big dogs in the cab with me that deterred him. Whichever one it was either the dogs or plates after a brief checking us out going down the road he decided to pass and went on.

I once sold a piece of my artwork (to a cop, interestingly) out of state and the guy paid for it in cash. On the way back home, I was pulled over by a state patrol for tinted windows (but probably because I was driving a Jag with DC plates). I hadn't bothered to stash the cash anywhere so it was in plain sight. The cop sees the cash and takes that as probable cause I'm carrying drugs. So he calls for backup and they search my car and can't find anything except some paraphernalia, but they want that cash ($14,000), so they go ahead and arrest me for the paraphernalia. They take me to jail and inform me they are seizing my cash. They flew in a special car searching team of experts and tore my car apart. Had the entire engine out of the car the guy at the garage told me later. Still couldn't find my drugs, because I didn't have any. Finally, they let me go, but they keep my cash and, as you suspected, it cost me exactly half of it in attorney fees to get it back. Crooks. My car was destroyed. On the way back to DC I hit a rain storm and water just poured out of the roof and when I got home and opened the trunk, there was a foot of water standing in it. I ended up basically junking the car out. I demanded compensation, and was ignored. I explored suing but it would have cost me so much to sue it wasn't worth the risk. Bastards.

What you should have done is call your local news room along with the news agencies in the city you were arrested in.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm not sure that's true. I believe I've read that alcohol consumption went down after Prohibition was repealed. That makes perfect sense to me. Making something illegal is often the best way to make it popular. We humans! In any case, as with alcohol, the lion's share of the negative impact on society of the prohibition of both alcohol and drugs derives from their illegality.

Marijuana use increases in Colorado, according to new federal survey – The Denver Post

I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

• Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
• Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
• Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
• Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
• Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
• Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
• Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
• Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
• Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?

How many overdose related deaths? Let's compare and contrast that metric.

Last year over 50,000 American deaths from overdose.

How many from marijuana overdose?

 

[danielpalos]

A high driver is a safe driver

Studies show habitual smokers have no change in their driving while high. Very different than alcohol.


Researchers said alcohol "significantly increased lane departures/minimum and maximum lateral acceleration; these measures were not sensitive to cannabis." Researchers also concluded Cannabis-influenced drivers "may attempt to drive more cautiously to compensate for impairing effects, whereas alcohol-influenced drivers often underestimate their impairment and take more risk."


With respect to comparisons between alcohol and marijuana effects, these substances tend to differ in their effects. In contrast to the compensatory behavior exhibited by subjects under marijuana treatment, subjects who have received alcohol tend to drive in a more risky manner. Both substances impair performance; however, the more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.”

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML.org - Working to Reform Marijuana Laws
Study finds impact of marijuana on drivers - CNNPolitics.com

Sorry Aries, I usually agree with you..but any buzz is a high while driving. So is taking Ambien ,or any drug that impairs .

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Don't apologize! You said earlier you're not a pot smoker, here's some insight-
People who don't smoke often, and are driving tend to make more mistakes.
People who smoke daily, and are driving tend to see no change in their abilities.
That's science I can personally confirm from experience. lol

Perhaps it is like the 1 drink an hour rule..your body metabolises it..depending on your weight 2drinks...

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3 hours lol.

You know over the years if these people would have not increased the thc tenfold or more you wouldn't get stoned out of your minds and then try and drive. When I smoked regularly at the end of about 4 hours would go to bed and have a good nights sleep. I never had the desire to drive.

Now when I drank heavy I did have the desire to drive and I drove like a bat out of hell, had several accidents and head on collision all between 18 and 25. My head on was on graduation night from high school at a party where the parents supplied the booze. No one severely injured and that was before seat belts.

I guess I just cannot understand from my experience smoking marijuana why anyone would want to drive? Well maybe to get something to eat and I did a couple time's to a taco joint about 2 blocks from my house, but normally loaded up on snacks before or would grill out after smoking. I have had some Co pot a few times in the past year from someone who drove from east coast out and brought quite a bit back and it was more like what I smoked 40 years ago. He did say that they sold all sort of different strength's out there and he had bought a little and smoked it out there and said it put him out. Now mind you he was not some kid he was 67 at the time. Well anyway I am not for the stronger stuff or anyone driving, but if was lower thc I'd smoke everyday for my severe back pain, that I actually considered asking my doc for oxycontin yesterday, but changed my mind. I had a friend that was up to 8 oxy's a day, driving and 71 years old. I don't know if he died from an overdose or age related.

I drove a couple times on pot and didn't like it one bit. Pot never effected me like it did other people. When I smoked it, all I wanted to do is sit back and listen to music whereas other people who smoked pot got more active and wanted to throw a baseball around or something. Pot made me paranoid and somewhat out of control.

Beer is different. It agrees with me much more than pot. I could probably drink an eight pack and drive like a champ. I don't of course because I have a CDL and I would lose my job if I ever got caught. When I go out now, I don't touch a drop.

It depends on the strain of pot. Some strains can be used a healthier substitute for crank.

 

[danielpalos]

Cutting down crime and the criminal population is good. Sometimes drug dealers don't just deal drugs, they commit violent crames allong with the drugs they sell.

let's end, illegals laws to cut down on crime.

 

[danielpalos]

I personally know two people who moved there for their pot laws. And, a count of pot users when pot is legal is bound to catch many who hid it before.

I don't believe that for a minute. When I was younger and smoked pot, I could care less who knew. That would be especially true if they were strangers only taking a survey.

According to their local CBS station, your assumptions are wrong. Here are the stats:

Here are the highlights in just three years since legalization:

• Marijuana-related traffic deaths increased 48 percent.
• Over 20 percent of all traffic deaths were marijuana related compared to only 10 percent six years ago.
• Marijuana-related emergency department visits increased 49 percent.
• Marijuana-related hospitalizations increased 32 percent.
• Marijuana-related calls to the Rocky Mountain Poison Center increased 100 percent.
• Diversion of Colorado marijuana to other states increased 37 percent by vehicle and 427 percent by parcels.
• Colorado youth now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 74 percent higher than the national average.
• Colorado college-age group now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 62 percent higher than the national average.
• Colorado adults now rank number one in the nation for marijuana use and 104 percent higher than the national average.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/08/31/studies-show-results-of-legal-pot-in-colorado/

We don't have such drastic changes because some pot smokers came out of the closet. What we have is (the obvious) more people using pot. So now picture these results nationwide. Now picture the results if we legalized all drugs nationwide. What kind of country would we have?

Lowered teen use

No change in Colorado teens’ marijuana use before and after legalization, study finds – The Denver Post

Lowered violent crimes

Two Years Later: Has the Legalization of Marijuana Affected Crime in Colorado?

Still the traffic deaths are alarming, but were they also drinking and smoking?
Driving while intoxicated from any drug or alcohol should be treated the same.

What difference would that make? Did you ever drink alone, and then drink while smoking pot? Big difference. If you have more people smoking pot, you're going to have more people driving and smoking pot.

BTW, the article you posted about teens is over three years old.

A high driver is a safe driver

Studies show habitual smokers have no change in their driving while high. Very different than alcohol.


Researchers said alcohol "significantly increased lane departures/minimum and maximum lateral acceleration; these measures were not sensitive to cannabis." Researchers also concluded Cannabis-influenced drivers "may attempt to drive more cautiously to compensate for impairing effects, whereas alcohol-influenced drivers often underestimate their impairment and take more risk."


With respect to comparisons between alcohol and marijuana effects, these substances tend to differ in their effects. In contrast to the compensatory behavior exhibited by subjects under marijuana treatment, subjects who have received alcohol tend to drive in a more risky manner. Both substances impair performance; however, the more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.”

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence - NORML.org - Working to Reform Marijuana Laws
Study finds impact of marijuana on drivers - CNNPolitics.com

The Denver study doesn't show that. What it shows is that there are more pot related auto deaths since it's legalization. I don't think that after pot became legal, everybody started to drive smoking and drinking whereas they were only smoking before.

It makes a good case for using pot revenue for public transportation.

 

[danielpalos]

3 hours lol.

You know over the years if these people would have not increased the thc tenfold or more you wouldn't get stoned out of your minds and then try and drive. When I smoked regularly at the end of about 4 hours would go to bed and have a good nights sleep. I never had the desire to drive.

Now when I drank heavy I did have the desire to drive and I drove like a bat out of hell, had several accidents and head on collision all between 18 and 25. My head on was on graduation night from high school at a party where the parents supplied the booze. No one severely injured and that was before seat belts.

I guess I just cannot understand from my experience smoking marijuana why anyone would want to drive? Well maybe to get something to eat and I did a couple time's to a taco joint about 2 blocks from my house, but normally loaded up on snacks before or would grill out after smoking. I have had some Co pot a few times in the past year from someone who drove from east coast out and brought quite a bit back and it was more like what I smoked 40 years ago. He did say that they sold all sort of different strength's out there and he had bought a little and smoked it out there and said it put him out. Now mind you he was not some kid he was 67 at the time. Well anyway I am not for the stronger stuff or anyone driving, but if was lower thc I'd smoke everyday for my severe back pain, that I actually considered asking my doc for oxycontin yesterday, but changed my mind. I had a friend that was up to 8 oxy's a day, driving and 71 years old. I don't know if he died from an overdose or age related.

I drove a couple times on pot and didn't like it one bit. Pot never effected me like it did other people. When I smoked it, all I wanted to do is sit back and listen to music whereas other people who smoked pot got more active and wanted to throw a baseball around or something. Pot made me paranoid and somewhat out of control.

Beer is different. It agrees with me much more than pot. I could probably drink an eight pack and drive like a champ. I don't of course because I have a CDL and I would lose my job if I ever got caught. When I go out now, I don't touch a drop.

Yea, I never because very active if at a party we all just talked and laughed, if just my wife and I we would listen to music with the tv on and the sound down, or if a good comedy was on watch it. The different strains today are different, hell I was even reading there is one you can function damn near normal and also lose weight.

Here's an idea, if someone over 65 wants to grow their own and do it in the privacy of their home, let them.

I don't care if the law leaves people alone who want to smoke pot, but where it's legal, they have pot shops, television commercials, and coupons in the newspaper and things like that I don't care for. I think pot should be isolated from children and not made so socially acceptable. If they want to smoke pot when they get older, that's their business, but it shouldn't be promoted.

Coupons?

It should be isolated from children but so should alcohol and it's not.

Can't get over the coupon's. I wonder if the corner dealer would accept them? lol

buy a dime, get one free

how often do you hear that, in the black market.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Trashy, low-life filth smoking weed while pregnant and giving birth to stoner babies. Doctors are saying these babies respond like a baby with brain damage would....Hmmm, FUCKING BOTTOM FEEDERS!
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/marijuana-pregnant-thc-positive-babies-colorado/

 

[danielpalos]

3 hours lol.

You know over the years if these people would have not increased the thc tenfold or more you wouldn't get stoned out of your minds and then try and drive. When I smoked regularly at the end of about 4 hours would go to bed and have a good nights sleep. I never had the desire to drive.

Now when I drank heavy I did have the desire to drive and I drove like a bat out of hell, had several accidents and head on collision all between 18 and 25. My head on was on graduation night from high school at a party where the parents supplied the booze. No one severely injured and that was before seat belts.

I guess I just cannot understand from my experience smoking marijuana why anyone would want to drive? Well maybe to get something to eat and I did a couple time's to a taco joint about 2 blocks from my house, but normally loaded up on snacks before or would grill out after smoking. I have had some Co pot a few times in the past year from someone who drove from east coast out and brought quite a bit back and it was more like what I smoked 40 years ago. He did say that they sold all sort of different strength's out there and he had bought a little and smoked it out there and said it put him out. Now mind you he was not some kid he was 67 at the time. Well anyway I am not for the stronger stuff or anyone driving, but if was lower thc I'd smoke everyday for my severe back pain, that I actually considered asking my doc for oxycontin yesterday, but changed my mind. I had a friend that was up to 8 oxy's a day, driving and 71 years old. I don't know if he died from an overdose or age related.

I drove a couple times on pot and didn't like it one bit. Pot never effected me like it did other people. When I smoked it, all I wanted to do is sit back and listen to music whereas other people who smoked pot got more active and wanted to throw a baseball around or something. Pot made me paranoid and somewhat out of control.

Beer is different. It agrees with me much more than pot. I could probably drink an eight pack and drive like a champ. I don't of course because I have a CDL and I would lose my job if I ever got caught. When I go out now, I don't touch a drop.

Yea, I never because very active if at a party we all just talked and laughed, if just my wife and I we would listen to music with the tv on and the sound down, or if a good comedy was on watch it. The different strains today are different, hell I was even reading there is one you can function damn near normal and also lose weight.

Here's an idea, if someone over 65 wants to grow their own and do it in the privacy of their home, let them.

I don't care if the law leaves people alone who want to smoke pot, but where it's legal, they have pot shops, television commercials, and coupons in the newspaper and things like that I don't care for. I think pot should be isolated from children and not made so socially acceptable. If they want to smoke pot when they get older, that's their business, but it shouldn't be promoted.

Do you feel the same about alcohol, which is a much more dangerous drug?

No because alcohol is a beverage used in social settings from weddings to bars. People enjoy some of the various brands of alcohol for taste, but nobody using drugs does so for taste. They use drugs for one purpose and one purpose only.

If alcohol was commonly used to get drunk only, then yes, I would feel the same way.

dear, kool aid is refreshing.

 

[danielpalos]

Idiotic potheads dare to talk about caring for the poor while ignoring the devastation drugs cause in the poorest neighborhoods. Self-indulgent fucking hypocrites.

Did you know that more Americans die from prescription drugs from the FDA than street drugs, especially pot?

....

Did you know I don't give a shit about your transparent attempt at diversion? People die falling in the shower too. Street drugs still destroy lives and communities, and self-indulgent potheads don't really care about anything but getting high.

Idiotic potheads dare to talk about caring for the poor while ignoring the devastation drugs cause in the poorest neighborhoods. Self-indulgent fucking hypocrites.

Did you know that more Americans die from prescription drugs from the FDA than street drugs, especially pot?

....

Did you know I don't give a shit about your transparent attempt at diversion? People die falling in the shower too. Street drugs still destroy lives and communities, and self-indulgent potheads don't really care about anything but getting high.

Potheads don't care about anything but getting high? Bold, unk. Bold and more ignorant than your usual posts.

It's true...I employ a number of people and I know exactly who my stoners are...they're the ones who move like snails, have no ability to retain information, lack drive and motivation to do and be better. They're my lifer fork lift operators and warehouse workers.
Stoners are always easy to pick out of a crowd.

I have several smart, dedicated, and hard working stoners.
Responsible stoners don't come to work STONED!
Looks like you got some folks to fire.

I do. Drugs are not an excuse for a lousy job. I try to be euphoric when about my chores.

 

[danielpalos]

I am not a drinker. My body doesn't take it well, I am a woman with a very small frame and it usually makes me sick. I don't like the feeling of being drunk and I feel out of control.
Marijuana has always been my vice.
It calms my anxiety, lightens my mood, lessens panic attacks, helps my appetite, and gives me some great sleep.

So that's what's wrong with you! That clears up a lot.

yup you caught me...... Now, more importantly, WTF is wrong with you?!!?!?!?

I am perfect. I have no vices. I don't drink, smoke, use drugs, gamble look at porn and I don't like sex. I am an angel upon the earth.

yet you fantasize about the mass murder of pot heads, and when you see a fellow american in distress you pass them without a second thought. Angel from hell maybe.

Drug addicts aren't human. They can and should die in the streets.

You have anxieties and need drugs to lighten your mood. You can't get through your feelings without being high. You can't face being you. Hide behind your drugs.

It is my, "anti-hypocrisy" medication. We have a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge, but no anti-hypocrisy laws on the books; coincidence or conspiracy?

 

[danielpalos]

I drove a couple times on pot and didn't like it one bit. Pot never effected me like it did other people. When I smoked it, all I wanted to do is sit back and listen to music whereas other people who smoked pot got more active and wanted to throw a baseball around or something. Pot made me paranoid and somewhat out of control.

Beer is different. It agrees with me much more than pot. I could probably drink an eight pack and drive like a champ. I don't of course because I have a CDL and I would lose my job if I ever got caught. When I go out now, I don't touch a drop.

I am not a drinker. My body doesn't take it well, I am a woman with a very small frame and it usually makes me sick. I don't like the feeling of being drunk and I feel out of control.
Marijuana has always been my vice.
It calms my anxiety, lightens my mood, lessens panic attacks, helps my appetite, and gives me some great sleep.

So that's what's wrong with you! That clears up a lot.

yup you caught me...... Now, more importantly, WTF is wrong with you?!!?!?!?

Tipsycatlover thinks no one else can see the name she chose for herself on this board.

She used to have a different name but she CHOSE to change it to Drunk Cat Lady.

drunkkitty is very judgey, for a drunk.

she probably just, "need a good scratch", so she can, purr like a good pussy.

 

[danielpalos]

I drove a couple times on pot and didn't like it one bit. Pot never effected me like it did other people. When I smoked it, all I wanted to do is sit back and listen to music whereas other people who smoked pot got more active and wanted to throw a baseball around or something. Pot made me paranoid and somewhat out of control.

Beer is different. It agrees with me much more than pot. I could probably drink an eight pack and drive like a champ. I don't of course because I have a CDL and I would lose my job if I ever got caught. When I go out now, I don't touch a drop.

I am not a drinker. My body doesn't take it well, I am a woman with a very small frame and it usually makes me sick. I don't like the feeling of being drunk and I feel out of control.
Marijuana has always been my vice.
It calms my anxiety, lightens my mood, lessens panic attacks, helps my appetite, and gives me some great sleep.

So that's what's wrong with you! That clears up a lot.

yup you caught me...... Now, more importantly, WTF is wrong with you?!!?!?!?

Tipsycatlover thinks no one else can see the name she chose for herself on this board.

She used to have a different name but she CHOSE to change it to Drunk Cat Lady.

drunkkitty is very judgey, for a drunk.

she probably just, "need a good scratch", so she can, purr like a good pussy.

 

[cnelsen]

Worse yet now is ten grand ain't near worth what it was twenty years ago so if you want to take the money you need on a trip you are forced to get one of the f'ing bankers to handle your money as if you were a child and couldn't handle those big dollars all by yourself.

You are playing my song, brother. Every year that passes, the amount of time we could survive without electricity gets shorter.

We live in the sticks now but drug addicts are a problem here too. I met a guy last year waiting outside the grocery store for a friend to finish shopping. I'd taken the dog out to potty and got to talking with a former Meth addict. He was getting help through therapeutic drugs but from what he told me he'd gone through a lot of misery prior to that trying to find relief. Like I stated earlier there were a lot who got involved early on into the drug scene. Some ended up on the streets and other simply did not survive it at all, only a few I know of ended up with a semi normal life if that is what you would call it when they have to have a lot of prescription drugs to cope everyday. And the crime is outrageous in those areas of the cities now I used to drive through without a second thought. They are full with a lot of half brain dead people shooting at each other, raping, pillaging, beating one another to death or other despicable behaviors. Where do you start to clean all that up? We've tried to help people over the years but addicts have very little consciousness when they get on a roll and my temperament isn't what it used to be with them. Maybe more chemical lobotomies for the people that can't or are unwilling to help themselves get out of those terrible situations will be the answer long term. I don't know at this point. I do think I would rather see them be able to get legal doses of something from a pharmacy more than from a thug type that has no conscious when it comes to those who are not involved.

I think a key insight is it isn't a drug problem we have. Drug abuse is just a symptom of a deeper problem, and ALL of our drug laws only make the symptom worse.

If I were king, I'd remove all drug laws immediately and let the chips fall where they may. Those who are determined to commit suicide will anyway, but we would begin to be able to treat the real problem as a society once we could get past the glare of the "War on Drugs". We could say, oh, look, well, obviously our young people are going to hate themselves if we have a movie industry beating them over the head with the message of how despicable they are year after year after year. That puts us in a much stronger position than if, as we sit looking around at our collapsing civilization and all the horrors that that will unleash, we throw up our hands and say, "What can we do? It's the drugs. Let's ramp up the war on them."

 

[BrokeLoser]

Idiotic potheads dare to talk about caring for the poor while ignoring the devastation drugs cause in the poorest neighborhoods. Self-indulgent fucking hypocrites.

Did you know that more Americans die from prescription drugs from the FDA than street drugs, especially pot?

....

Did you know I don't give a shit about your transparent attempt at diversion? People die falling in the shower too. Street drugs still destroy lives and communities, and self-indulgent potheads don't really care about anything but getting high.

Did you know that more Americans die from prescription drugs from the FDA than street drugs, especially pot?

....

Did you know I don't give a shit about your transparent attempt at diversion? People die falling in the shower too. Street drugs still destroy lives and communities, and self-indulgent potheads don't really care about anything but getting high.

Potheads don't care about anything but getting high? Bold, unk. Bold and more ignorant than your usual posts.

It's true...I employ a number of people and I know exactly who my stoners are...they're the ones who move like snails, have no ability to retain information, lack drive and motivation to do and be better. They're my lifer fork lift operators and warehouse workers.
Stoners are always easy to pick out of a crowd.

I have several smart, dedicated, and hard working stoners.
Responsible stoners don't come to work STONED!
Looks like you got some folks to fire.

I do. Drugs are not an excuse for a lousy job. I try to be euphoric when about my chores.

Haha...so typical...you Liberals are always dependent of something...haha
"I can do a better job when I'm impaired."
Funny shit!
I guess that's one nice thing about being a Leftie....most don't have and can't retain a "real job" that requires employees to be quick, sharp, enthusiastic and motivated...I suppose I could trim the fuck out of a bush while stoned without issue...haha

 

[cnelsen]

So you want violent criminals to get off Scott free? Typical socialist

Where did I mention "violent criminals"?

The vast majority of drug dealers are...[/QUOTE]
Wrong

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I am not a drinker. My body doesn't take it well, I am a woman with a very small frame and it usually makes me sick. I don't like the feeling of being drunk and I feel out of control.
Marijuana has always been my vice.
It calms my anxiety, lightens my mood, lessens panic attacks, helps my appetite, and gives me some great sleep.

So that's what's wrong with you! That clears up a lot.

yup you caught me...... Now, more importantly, WTF is wrong with you?!!?!?!?

Tipsycatlover thinks no one else can see the name she chose for herself on this board.

She used to have a different name but she CHOSE to change it to Drunk Cat Lady.

drunkkitty is very judgey, for a drunk.

she probably just, "need a good scratch", so she can, purr like a good pussy.

I love men who think like you. They bleed real good.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Worse yet now is ten grand ain't near worth what it was twenty years ago so if you want to take the money you need on a trip you are forced to get one of the f'ing bankers to handle your money as if you were a child and couldn't handle those big dollars all by yourself.

You are playing my song, brother. Every year that passes, the amount of time we could survive without electricity gets shorter.

We live in the sticks now but drug addicts are a problem here too. I met a guy last year waiting outside the grocery store for a friend to finish shopping. I'd taken the dog out to potty and got to talking with a former Meth addict. He was getting help through therapeutic drugs but from what he told me he'd gone through a lot of misery prior to that trying to find relief. Like I stated earlier there were a lot who got involved early on into the drug scene. Some ended up on the streets and other simply did not survive it at all, only a few I know of ended up with a semi normal life if that is what you would call it when they have to have a lot of prescription drugs to cope everyday. And the crime is outrageous in those areas of the cities now I used to drive through without a second thought. They are full with a lot of half brain dead people shooting at each other, raping, pillaging, beating one another to death or other despicable behaviors. Where do you start to clean all that up? We've tried to help people over the years but addicts have very little consciousness when they get on a roll and my temperament isn't what it used to be with them. Maybe more chemical lobotomies for the people that can't or are unwilling to help themselves get out of those terrible situations will be the answer long term. I don't know at this point. I do think I would rather see them be able to get legal doses of something from a pharmacy more than from a thug type that has no conscious when it comes to those who are not involved.

I think a key insight is it isn't a drug problem we have. Drug abuse is just a symptom of a deeper problem, and ALL of our drug laws only make the symptom worse.

If I were king, I'd remove all drug laws immediately and let the chips fall where they may. Those who are determined to commit suicide will anyway, but we would begin to be able to treat the real problem as a society once we could get past the glare of the "War on Drugs". We could say, oh, look, well, obviously our young people are going to hate themselves if we have a movie industry beating them over the head with the message of how despicable they are year after year after year. That puts us in a much stronger position than if, as we sit looking around at our collapsing civilization and all the horrors that that will unleash, we throw up our hands and say, "What can we do? It's the drugs. Let's ramp up the war on them."

The problem is allowing drugs to enter this country in the first place. Stop that, and you reduce the amount of people that are addicted. Increase that, and you increase the problem.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Why does Singapore not have the drug problem we do?

They have a liberally applied death penalty and the use of corporal punishment.

Cane a few of the potheads the problem will go away.

 

[rightwinger]

Back to the OP -

The whole point of the do-called "war on drugs" is to increase profit to the 1%.

Building duh donuld's idiotic wall has the same goal - enriching trumps cronies and owners. It will do nothing to slow or stop drug traffic. As long as there as there is a demand, the cartels will get the drugs in.

We know quite a few things that have not worked. Isn't it time we tried other modes of attack?

We tried building a wall?

DumBama spent over 8 billion dollars for trains to nowhere that nobody will take; you know, to make those one-percenters happy. At least with a wall, we will have something to show for our money.

It will be a big, beautiful wall.....Believe me
People will come from miles around to gaze at the majesty of the Great Wall of Trump

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Back to the OP -

The whole point of the do-called "war on drugs" is to increase profit to the 1%.

Building duh donuld's idiotic wall has the same goal - enriching trumps cronies and owners. It will do nothing to slow or stop drug traffic. As long as there as there is a demand, the cartels will get the drugs in.

We know quite a few things that have not worked. Isn't it time we tried other modes of attack?

We tried building a wall?

DumBama spent over 8 billion dollars for trains to nowhere that nobody will take; you know, to make those one-percenters happy. At least with a wall, we will have something to show for our money.

It will be a big, beautiful wall.....Believe me
People will come from miles around to gaze at the majesty of the Great Wall of Trump

It isn't going to be built for beauty, it will be built to help control the problem we have with illegals now. That's the real beauty.

 

[cnelsen]

Worse yet now is ten grand ain't near worth what it was twenty years ago so if you want to take the money you need on a trip you are forced to get one of the f'ing bankers to handle your money as if you were a child and couldn't handle those big dollars all by yourself.

You are playing my song, brother. Every year that passes, the amount of time we could survive without electricity gets shorter.

We live in the sticks now but drug addicts are a problem here too. I met a guy last year waiting outside the grocery store for a friend to finish shopping. I'd taken the dog out to potty and got to talking with a former Meth addict. He was getting help through therapeutic drugs but from what he told me he'd gone through a lot of misery prior to that trying to find relief. Like I stated earlier there were a lot who got involved early on into the drug scene. Some ended up on the streets and other simply did not survive it at all, only a few I know of ended up with a semi normal life if that is what you would call it when they have to have a lot of prescription drugs to cope everyday. And the crime is outrageous in those areas of the cities now I used to drive through without a second thought. They are full with a lot of half brain dead people shooting at each other, raping, pillaging, beating one another to death or other despicable behaviors. Where do you start to clean all that up? We've tried to help people over the years but addicts have very little consciousness when they get on a roll and my temperament isn't what it used to be with them. Maybe more chemical lobotomies for the people that can't or are unwilling to help themselves get out of those terrible situations will be the answer long term. I don't know at this point. I do think I would rather see them be able to get legal doses of something from a pharmacy more than from a thug type that has no conscious when it comes to those who are not involved.

I think a key insight is it isn't a drug problem we have. Drug abuse is just a symptom of a deeper problem, and ALL of our drug laws only make the symptom worse.

If I were king, I'd remove all drug laws immediately and let the chips fall where they may. Those who are determined to commit suicide will anyway, but we would begin to be able to treat the real problem as a society once we could get past the glare of the "War on Drugs". We could say, oh, look, well, obviously our young people are going to hate themselves if we have a movie industry beating them over the head with the message of how despicable they are year after year after year. That puts us in a much stronger position than if, as we sit looking around at our collapsing civilization and all the horrors that that will unleash, we throw up our hands and say, "What can we do? It's the drugs. Let's ramp up the war on them."

The problem is allowing drugs to enter this country in the first place. Stop that, and you reduce the amount of people that are addicted. Increase that, and you increase the problem.

Worse yet now is ten grand ain't near worth what it was twenty years ago so if you want to take the money you need on a trip you are forced to get one of the f'ing bankers to handle your money as if you were a child and couldn't handle those big dollars all by yourself.

You are playing my song, brother. Every year that passes, the amount of time we could survive without electricity gets shorter.

We live in the sticks now but drug addicts are a problem here too. I met a guy last year waiting outside the grocery store for a friend to finish shopping. I'd taken the dog out to potty and got to talking with a former Meth addict. He was getting help through therapeutic drugs but from what he told me he'd gone through a lot of misery prior to that trying to find relief. Like I stated earlier there were a lot who got involved early on into the drug scene. Some ended up on the streets and other simply did not survive it at all, only a few I know of ended up with a semi normal life if that is what you would call it when they have to have a lot of prescription drugs to cope everyday. And the crime is outrageous in those areas of the cities now I used to drive through without a second thought. They are full with a lot of half brain dead people shooting at each other, raping, pillaging, beating one another to death or other despicable behaviors. Where do you start to clean all that up? We've tried to help people over the years but addicts have very little consciousness when they get on a roll and my temperament isn't what it used to be with them. Maybe more chemical lobotomies for the people that can't or are unwilling to help themselves get out of those terrible situations will be the answer long term. I don't know at this point. I do think I would rather see them be able to get legal doses of something from a pharmacy more than from a thug type that has no conscious when it comes to those who are not involved.

I think a key insight is it isn't a drug problem we have. Drug abuse is just a symptom of a deeper problem, and ALL of our drug laws only make the symptom worse.

If I were king, I'd remove all drug laws immediately and let the chips fall where they may. Those who are determined to commit suicide will anyway, but we would begin to be able to treat the real problem as a society once we could get past the glare of the "War on Drugs". We could say, oh, look, well, obviously our young people are going to hate themselves if we have a movie industry beating them over the head with the message of how despicable they are year after year after year. That puts us in a much stronger position than if, as we sit looking around at our collapsing civilization and all the horrors that that will unleash, we throw up our hands and say, "What can we do? It's the drugs. Let's ramp up the war on them."

The problem is allowing drugs to enter this country in the first place. Stop that, and you reduce the amount of people that are addicted. Increase that, and you increase the problem.

In the 20s, little kids could buy opiates over the counter in any general store. Why wasn't there a drug problem then?

 

[Aries]

Why does Singapore not have the drug problem we do?

They have a liberally applied death penalty and the use of corporal punishment.

Cane a few of the potheads the problem will go away.

Forget heroin crack and narcotics
Get the pot heads!!