Another Trump disappointment: Sessions bringing back the War on Some Drug Users

A buddy of mine's wife used to tell him: "don't forget to smoke your birth control"....reefer shrinks your nuts, dumbass. I mean, look at heavy users....they're pretty much female. :gay:

No Tommy, is the real men who smoke cigarettes who have the limp dicks. Pot enhances sex.
 
A buddy of mine's wife used to tell him: "don't forget to smoke your birth control"....reefer shrinks your nuts, dumbass. I mean, look at heavy users....they're pretty much female. :gay:

No Tommy, is the real men who smoke cigarettes who have the limp dicks. Pot enhances sex.

If you need to get high to enjoy sex, you need a new fella or a new toy.
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Gross generalization about young urban blacks but I'll continue. Reefer gateways into hard drugs unless there is some control mechanism in place....why not get REALLY high? That question is answered in one of two ways. Reefer dealers have access to other dope for lean supply times....they don't shut down or they'll lose their customers. I came up through the 60's and 70's and have seen what happened to chronic users....their minds are shot. Lazy, angry, and pretty much useless. Add to that a corporation of any size has been doing random tests for years. Sure, they can be defeated but if they're not, you're gone. Who wants an easily distracted pothead in the middle of your business operation? I'm not talking about weekenders here or a couple who get lit before sex or whatever. I'm talking about dumbasses who've come to believe smoking a plant matter is a "lifestyle". Legalization? don't even think about it.

I don't think smoking that plant as a lifestyle is all that bad when compared to all the death and destruction caused by alcohol. How many highway accidents caused by pot, for example? The war on drugs has been a failure. Can't rescue people from their own stupidity. Not that I like pot one bit. I tried it a couple of times after hearing that glaucoma patients had some success with it. It was a crummy taste and afterward feeling, so I just kept on taking eye drops instead.


From FactCheck.org:

From 2009 to 2012, the “medical marijuana commercialization years,” the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 48 percent compared with the “early medical marijuana era” between 2006 and 2008. In the first two years after the recreational use of marijuana became legal (2013 to 2014), the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by another 41 percent.

Unpacking Pot’s Impact in Colorado - FactCheck.org

While not all these deaths are marijuana only, pot does seem to be a huge contributor to those statistics.

Well, if we're worried about deaths, why not outlaw alcohol too?

Alcohol is social whereas drugs are not. People don't sit around a table trying different forms of Heroin for taste and talk about their day at work. Drugs are used for one thing and one thing only. When we did have prohibition, do you think we had more of a problem with drunk people than we do today or less? When you legalize something that was illegal, more people are going to participate just as what happened after the prohibition of alcohol was lifted.

The problems we have with alcohol does not justify introducing more harmful elements into our society. If anything, we could use the alcohol argument against drug legalization.
Gross generalization about young urban blacks but I'll continue. Reefer gateways into hard drugs unless there is some control mechanism in place....why not get REALLY high? That question is answered in one of two ways. Reefer dealers have access to other dope for lean supply times....they don't shut down or they'll lose their customers. I came up through the 60's and 70's and have seen what happened to chronic users....their minds are shot. Lazy, angry, and pretty much useless. Add to that a corporation of any size has been doing random tests for years. Sure, they can be defeated but if they're not, you're gone. Who wants an easily distracted pothead in the middle of your business operation? I'm not talking about weekenders here or a couple who get lit before sex or whatever. I'm talking about dumbasses who've come to believe smoking a plant matter is a "lifestyle". Legalization? don't even think about it.

I don't think smoking that plant as a lifestyle is all that bad when compared to all the death and destruction caused by alcohol. How many highway accidents caused by pot, for example? The war on drugs has been a failure. Can't rescue people from their own stupidity. Not that I like pot one bit. I tried it a couple of times after hearing that glaucoma patients had some success with it. It was a crummy taste and afterward feeling, so I just kept on taking eye drops instead.


From FactCheck.org:

From 2009 to 2012, the “medical marijuana commercialization years,” the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 48 percent compared with the “early medical marijuana era” between 2006 and 2008. In the first two years after the recreational use of marijuana became legal (2013 to 2014), the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by another 41 percent.

Unpacking Pot’s Impact in Colorado - FactCheck.org

While not all these deaths are marijuana only, pot does seem to be a huge contributor to those statistics.

Well, if we're worried about deaths, why not outlaw alcohol too?

Alcohol is social whereas drugs are not. People don't sit around a table trying different forms of Heroin for taste and talk about their day at work. Drugs are used for one thing and one thing only. When we did have prohibition, do you think we had more of a problem with drunk people than we do today or less? When you legalize something that was illegal, more people are going to participate just as what happened after the prohibition of alcohol was lifted.

The problems we have with alcohol does not justify introducing more harmful elements into our society. If anything, we could use the alcohol argument against drug legalization.

But drugs are social. They're the center of so many get togethers and parties. You know, we could probably eliminate drugs but there's too much money in it for everyone, but especially for banks, who never go to jail. Remember the wachovia drug laundering case? They paid a fine which was a small percentage of the profit they made from the mexican drug cartels, then got taken over by wells fargo. Nobody went to jail of course. Obama had been in office a couple years already by then, and of course he wouldn't go against the banks. Everyone makes money on drugs including the cartels, dealers, banks, prison industry and prison guards. But only the little players and the end users go to jail.

Absolutely wrong. Most prison cases that involve drugs are the sales of drugs or using them in the commission of another (and more serious) crime. We have very few inmates in prison for drug usage alone. I believe it's something like less than 4% of our prison population, but if you want, I'll find the statistics and post them for you.
 
Everyone makes money on drugs including the cartels, dealers, banks, prison industry and prison guards. But only the little players go to jail.
Bingo. Not to mention police and lawyers. The little guys are like those victims of spider wasps that are paralyzed and kept alive to serve as incubators and, eventually, food for the spiders offspring
 
On the other hand, if the illegal drugs were legal, there would be no drug pushers, cartels, no need for a trump wall. There would be fewer prisons, guards, overcrowded courts. This is another reason America is in debt. Too much of our money goes to drug enforcement, as well as to our never ending wars for profit.

That's the same argument people made for legalized gambling. State run lotteries would run the mob out of business, same goes for casinos as well. Unfortunately, the mob was one step ahead of the geniuses that came up with that argument. The mob uses state lottery numbers for their numbers game, it's just that their payout is higher than the state, plus there is no tax on winnings, so the mob continues their business as usual. Football tickets are still sold by the mob, and they take bets on all sports games as well; again, offering better payouts than dealing with Vegas or anywhere else.

Legalized pot is highly taxed in states that have legalized pot, and dealers undercutting the state are still around and growing.

Well, I'm just putting my opinion out there. People will get their drugs one way or another and the powers that be will not get rid of the drugs, but will certainly jail the dealers and the little guy. Drug money is laundered through banks. Obama wouldn't go against the banks, and neither will Trump. Banks are too powerful. In the meantime, the little guy will get harassed by the cops and get sent to jail and the kids will go to foster care, on and on.
 
I'm not happy with Sessions' stance on "legal" marijuana, but I don't think he should be criticized for re-focusing on harsh punishments (within the law) for drug offenders. Whatever they have been doing for the past 8 years, it's not working very well, eh? Can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

We've been doing the same thing for more than thirty years. Arrest drug users and send them to prison. That will teach them. Or something. We spend billions on it. We haven't affected drugs at all.

We moved Psudophed behind the counter and locked up old women who bought some for two family members who were sick to try and reduce Crystal Meth. The result? Crystal Meth is now manufactured in factories instead of kitchens. The last numbers I saw showed that production had increased over 800%. That was according to the DEA.

We've been doing the same things. And we act like if we were just a little tougher we could stop drugs. Pfui.
 
Everyone makes money on drugs including the cartels, dealers, banks, prison industry and prison guards. But only the little players go to jail.
Bingo. Not to mention police and lawyers. The little guys are like those victims of spider wasps that are paralyzed and kept alive to serve as incubators and, eventually, food for the spiders offspring

You got that backwards....mud daubers are wasps who sting spiders, haul them into the nest, lay an egg on top of the paralyzed spider, and seal up the nest. The egg hatches, the young wasp eats the spider, bores a hole into the bottom of the nest and escapes.
 
On the other hand, if the illegal drugs were legal, there would be no drug pushers, cartels, no need for a trump wall. There would be fewer prisons, guards, overcrowded courts. This is another reason America is in debt. Too much of our money goes to drug enforcement, as well as to our never ending wars for profit.

That's the same argument people made for legalized gambling. State run lotteries would run the mob out of business, same goes for casinos as well. Unfortunately, the mob was one step ahead of the geniuses that came up with that argument. The mob uses state lottery numbers for their numbers game, it's just that their payout is higher than the state, plus there is no tax on winnings, so the mob continues their business as usual. Football tickets are still sold by the mob, and they take bets on all sports games as well; again, offering better payouts than dealing with Vegas or anywhere else.

Legalized pot is highly taxed in states that have legalized pot, and dealers undercutting the state are still around and growing.

Well, I'm just putting my opinion out there. People will get their drugs one way or another and the powers that be will not get rid of the drugs, but will certainly jail the dealers and the little guy. Drug money is laundered through banks. Obama wouldn't go against the banks, and neither will Trump. Banks are too powerful. In the meantime, the little guy will get harassed by the cops and get sent to jail and the kids will go to foster care, on and on.

I have no idea what you consider the "little guy." If by the little guy you mean users who are not selling or committing other crimes, that's completely false. However if you mean the "little guy" who is selling small amounts of drugs, then yes, we do lock those people up.
 
wow, the massive abusive hand of government is now supported by the far right. damn.
 
The law figures if you need a firearm handy to stay in the dope business, they want you off the streets.
 
Okay, just to settle some urban legends about drugs; from Politifact.org.

Prisoner data

What the figures show is that possession itself isn’t usually enough to land someone in jail. Rather, those sentenced to prison for marijuana offenses were typically found to be committing crimes more serious than just possessing marijuana (or "smoking" it, as Sanders put it). Often, this means selling it or trafficking it.

The Justice Department estimated that 3.6 percent of state inmates in 2013 had drug possession as their most serious offense. That includes possession charges for all drugs, not just marijuana. To gauge the marijuana-only percentage, we have to go back to data that’s about a decade old.

The Justice Department periodically carries out surveys of inmates in state and federal correctional facilities, the last of which was from 2004. According to this study, only about three-tenths of 1 percent of state prison inmates were there because of marijuana possession alone, without a more serious charge.

Meanwhile, the statistics for federal inmates paint a similar picture.

The data shows that among the roughly 67,600 offenders sentenced to prison in federal criminal cases between Oct. 1, 2011 and Sept. 30, 2012, only 28 of them were incarcerated on drug-possession charges alone -- roughly four one-hundredths of 1 percent of all incarcerations. And that includes all drugs, not just marijuana.

Bernie Sanders says people are getting prison sentences for smoking marijuana
 
From the Washington Post:

The Sessions memo marks the first significant criminal justice effort by the Trump administration to bring back the toughest practices of the drug war, which had fallen out of favor in recent years with a bipartisan movement to undo the damaging effects of mass incarceration.
Of all the very serious issues out there, THIS is what Sessions puts out there? The stupid, unwinnable, unjust War on Drugs.

BUILD THE FUCKING WALL!!!

SMH
I agree the wall needs built but I also agree drug pushers should be thrown in prison. Personally I prefer users to be given 1 chance at rehab then 10 years labor for a 2nd offense and then execution for third offense. Dealers automatic execution.

On the other hand, if the illegal drugs were legal, there would be no drug pushers, cartels, no need for a trump wall. There would be fewer prisons, guards, overcrowded courts. This is another reason America is in debt. Too much of our money goes to drug enforcement, as well as to our never ending wars for profit.
Under your ideas... this is what most Americans given your ideas would look like.

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Under this country's ideals, people are free to go their own way as long as they don't harm others. Nobody forced drugs on these folks.
 
I don't think smoking that plant as a lifestyle is all that bad when compared to all the death and destruction caused by alcohol. How many highway accidents caused by pot, for example? The war on drugs has been a failure. Can't rescue people from their own stupidity. Not that I like pot one bit. I tried it a couple of times after hearing that glaucoma patients had some success with it. It was a crummy taste and afterward feeling, so I just kept on taking eye drops instead.


From FactCheck.org:

From 2009 to 2012, the “medical marijuana commercialization years,” the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 48 percent compared with the “early medical marijuana era” between 2006 and 2008. In the first two years after the recreational use of marijuana became legal (2013 to 2014), the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by another 41 percent.

Unpacking Pot’s Impact in Colorado - FactCheck.org

While not all these deaths are marijuana only, pot does seem to be a huge contributor to those statistics.

Well, if we're worried about deaths, why not outlaw alcohol too?

Alcohol is social whereas drugs are not. People don't sit around a table trying different forms of Heroin for taste and talk about their day at work. Drugs are used for one thing and one thing only. When we did have prohibition, do you think we had more of a problem with drunk people than we do today or less? When you legalize something that was illegal, more people are going to participate just as what happened after the prohibition of alcohol was lifted.

The problems we have with alcohol does not justify introducing more harmful elements into our society. If anything, we could use the alcohol argument against drug legalization.
I don't think smoking that plant as a lifestyle is all that bad when compared to all the death and destruction caused by alcohol. How many highway accidents caused by pot, for example? The war on drugs has been a failure. Can't rescue people from their own stupidity. Not that I like pot one bit. I tried it a couple of times after hearing that glaucoma patients had some success with it. It was a crummy taste and afterward feeling, so I just kept on taking eye drops instead.


From FactCheck.org:

From 2009 to 2012, the “medical marijuana commercialization years,” the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 48 percent compared with the “early medical marijuana era” between 2006 and 2008. In the first two years after the recreational use of marijuana became legal (2013 to 2014), the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by another 41 percent.

Unpacking Pot’s Impact in Colorado - FactCheck.org

While not all these deaths are marijuana only, pot does seem to be a huge contributor to those statistics.

Well, if we're worried about deaths, why not outlaw alcohol too?

Alcohol is social whereas drugs are not. People don't sit around a table trying different forms of Heroin for taste and talk about their day at work. Drugs are used for one thing and one thing only. When we did have prohibition, do you think we had more of a problem with drunk people than we do today or less? When you legalize something that was illegal, more people are going to participate just as what happened after the prohibition of alcohol was lifted.

The problems we have with alcohol does not justify introducing more harmful elements into our society. If anything, we could use the alcohol argument against drug legalization.

But drugs are social. They're the center of so many get togethers and parties. You know, we could probably eliminate drugs but there's too much money in it for everyone, but especially for banks, who never go to jail. Remember the wachovia drug laundering case? They paid a fine which was a small percentage of the profit they made from the mexican drug cartels, then got taken over by wells fargo. Nobody went to jail of course. Obama had been in office a couple years already by then, and of course he wouldn't go against the banks. Everyone makes money on drugs including the cartels, dealers, banks, prison industry and prison guards. But only the little players and the end users go to jail.

Absolutely wrong. Most prison cases that involve drugs are the sales of drugs or using them in the commission of another (and more serious) crime. We have very few inmates in prison for drug usage alone. I believe it's something like less than 4% of our prison population, but if you want, I'll find the statistics and post them for you.
That's one of the many lunacies of the drug laws, that somehow, it's ok to prosecute just the sale and not the purchase of the same illegal product. The only reason that absurdity has developed is because the sellers generally will have more cash on hand than the buyers, and that's what the narcs are really after. They couldn't care less if Tommy or T'Neekwa are getting high. Why should they? What business is it of theirs?
 
From the Washington Post:

The Sessions memo marks the first significant criminal justice effort by the Trump administration to bring back the toughest practices of the drug war, which had fallen out of favor in recent years with a bipartisan movement to undo the damaging effects of mass incarceration.
Of all the very serious issues out there, THIS is what Sessions puts out there? The stupid, unwinnable, unjust War on Drugs.

BUILD THE FUCKING WALL!!!

SMH
I agree the wall needs built but I also agree drug pushers should be thrown in prison. Personally I prefer users to be given 1 chance at rehab then 10 years labor for a 2nd offense and then execution for third offense. Dealers automatic execution.
The federal government is the largest purchaser of drugs, in the entire world.
 
I don't think smoking that plant as a lifestyle is all that bad when compared to all the death and destruction caused by alcohol. How many highway accidents caused by pot, for example? The war on drugs has been a failure. Can't rescue people from their own stupidity. Not that I like pot one bit. I tried it a couple of times after hearing that glaucoma patients had some success with it. It was a crummy taste and afterward feeling, so I just kept on taking eye drops instead.


From FactCheck.org:

From 2009 to 2012, the “medical marijuana commercialization years,” the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 48 percent compared with the “early medical marijuana era” between 2006 and 2008. In the first two years after the recreational use of marijuana became legal (2013 to 2014), the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by another 41 percent.

Unpacking Pot’s Impact in Colorado - FactCheck.org

While not all these deaths are marijuana only, pot does seem to be a huge contributor to those statistics.

Well, if we're worried about deaths, why not outlaw alcohol too?

Alcohol is social whereas drugs are not. People don't sit around a table trying different forms of Heroin for taste and talk about their day at work. Drugs are used for one thing and one thing only. When we did have prohibition, do you think we had more of a problem with drunk people than we do today or less? When you legalize something that was illegal, more people are going to participate just as what happened after the prohibition of alcohol was lifted.

The problems we have with alcohol does not justify introducing more harmful elements into our society. If anything, we could use the alcohol argument against drug legalization.
I don't think smoking that plant as a lifestyle is all that bad when compared to all the death and destruction caused by alcohol. How many highway accidents caused by pot, for example? The war on drugs has been a failure. Can't rescue people from their own stupidity. Not that I like pot one bit. I tried it a couple of times after hearing that glaucoma patients had some success with it. It was a crummy taste and afterward feeling, so I just kept on taking eye drops instead.


From FactCheck.org:

From 2009 to 2012, the “medical marijuana commercialization years,” the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by 48 percent compared with the “early medical marijuana era” between 2006 and 2008. In the first two years after the recreational use of marijuana became legal (2013 to 2014), the average yearly marijuana-related traffic deaths increased by another 41 percent.

Unpacking Pot’s Impact in Colorado - FactCheck.org

While not all these deaths are marijuana only, pot does seem to be a huge contributor to those statistics.

Well, if we're worried about deaths, why not outlaw alcohol too?

Alcohol is social whereas drugs are not. People don't sit around a table trying different forms of Heroin for taste and talk about their day at work. Drugs are used for one thing and one thing only. When we did have prohibition, do you think we had more of a problem with drunk people than we do today or less? When you legalize something that was illegal, more people are going to participate just as what happened after the prohibition of alcohol was lifted.

The problems we have with alcohol does not justify introducing more harmful elements into our society. If anything, we could use the alcohol argument against drug legalization.

But drugs are social. They're the center of so many get togethers and parties. You know, we could probably eliminate drugs but there's too much money in it for everyone, but especially for banks, who never go to jail. Remember the wachovia drug laundering case? They paid a fine which was a small percentage of the profit they made from the mexican drug cartels, then got taken over by wells fargo. Nobody went to jail of course. Obama had been in office a couple years already by then, and of course he wouldn't go against the banks. Everyone makes money on drugs including the cartels, dealers, banks, prison industry and prison guards. But only the little players and the end users go to jail.

Absolutely wrong. Most prison cases that involve drugs are the sales of drugs or using them in the commission of another (and more serious) crime. We have very few inmates in prison for drug usage alone. I believe it's something like less than 4% of our prison population, but if you want, I'll find the statistics and post them for you.

But Ray, if you want to regulate what people do because it might harm them, then that opens up whole new careers for people wanting to make sure people won't do certain things that could maybe harm them. Start with hill climbing and martial arts?
 
If these drug addicts worked a job and paid for their own drugs fine, but they don't, they rob and steal and commit crimes against law abiding citizens to feed their habits. So tough shit, go to jail, go directly to jail.
Rob and steal? Go to jail for robbing and stealing. Where's the problem? (Btw, if drugs were legalized and sold at CVS next to the aspirin, that might have a positive impact on the crime rate, don't you think?)

I don't see why. If a person doesn't have money for their drugs because they are too Fd up to work or can't pass drug tests, what's stopping them from robbing and staling to get legal drugs instead of illegal drugs?
But the same argument could be used to make alcohol, expensive sneakers, and a host of things people kill other people for, illegal. Moreover, if a $100/day illegal heroin habit equaled in quantity of heroin $3 worth of legal farm - raised heroin, processed by Del Monte, packaged and sold next to the cigarettes, it's easy to see, to the extent crime is driven by addicts feeding their habits, the massively positive impact on the crime rate legalizing heroin would have.
 
Most marijuana users use very much like Michael Brown. All he did was smoke some weed. Not mentioning roughing up the store clerk or fighting with a cop.

They forget. All they did was smoke a roach, then find out that they shot three people.
 
Most marijuana users use very much like Michael Brown. All he did was smoke some weed. Not mentioning roughing up the store clerk or fighting with a cop.

They forget. All they did was smoke a roach, then find out that they shot three people.

It's usually alcohol that makes people aggressive, not pot. Pot users usually sit around and act dopey and stupid. That's maybe why they call it dope. Best kept secret is why alcoholic beverages are not outlawed. Probably seagrams and other companies buying off politicians, plus the last war on alcohol decades ago wasn't too successful. People want their fixes. If they don't harm others, let them do it.
 

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