Anti-abortion fanatics

[aris2chat]

We call ourselves "pro-life". If you're going to label the pro-aborts "pro-choice" then you should use our preferred name as well.

I prefer pro-choice or anti-choice.

The right to choose what is right for the woman is also choosing to keep the fetus if she wants.

No one should take that choice and freedom away from her. We do not have sharia type laws and restrict woman to a sub-servant status. It is the woman's body and her life. It should be her choice, either way.

I'm glad our Supreme Court already appreciates the fact that it is problematic to abortion supporters for a person's rights to begin when their life does.

That's why I long for the day when our court will have to reconcile their ruling in Roe with our more recent fetal HOMICIDE laws which establishes the fact that it is a child in the womb which is worthy of each their own Constitutional rights and protections.

Till the last trimester if the mother dies in an accident you are not charged with two deaths. You have to know she is pregnant or it is visible that she is pregnant. Does not apply in the first trimester at all.

Till it is out of her body, or old enough that it might survive outside, it is not a person. It is a parasite feeding off her, making her sick, deforming her body, causing pain, making breathing difficult, even moving and standing up can be a obstacle. It cannot live without her, it is a part of her and her body so she has all say over it.
When it can take it's first breath apart from her, it become its own person.

Some women enjoy being pregnant, good for them, some are afraid, don't want or have had a problem and are unwilling to try again. Some are told they should not due to preconditions and o

No one has a right to her medical records or her conversations with her doctor. no one should even know she is pregnant or of her choice.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

versus pro-choice fanatics.

Interdependent.

What's the difference really?

A significant difference.

Those hostile to privacy rights seek to increase the size and authority of government at the expense of individual liberty – the issue is much more than just abortion.

And defending the privacy rights of all Americans doesn't constitute 'fanaticism.'

The analogy to slavery is what strkes me the most. Slaves didn't have a right to or control over their bodies. They were forced to breed.

The right to privacy is settled and accepted – the Constitution places limits on government, safeguarding a realm personal liberty immune from attack by the state – the right to decide whether to have a child or not is one of the many protected liberties acknowledged by the Constitution.

I'm sure that you agree (even if you don't appreciate it) that no-one has the right to violate the rights of another and then Hide that act behind a so called "right to privacy."

Abortions are essentially an act of non sexual molestation. It's a fact that No aborted children escape unmolested from their abortion procedure.

I'm willing to bet that you agree that no-one has the right to molest a child and then to hide that act behind their own so called "right to privacy"(sic).

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

As a fact of Constitutional law an embryo/fetus is not a 'child,' nor is it a 'person' entitled to Constitutional protections:

'The Court in Roe carefully considered, and rejected, the State's argument "that the fetus is a `person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment." 410 U. S., at 156. After analyzing the usage of "person" in the Constitution, the Court concluded that that word "has application only postnatally." Id., at 157. Commenting on the contingent property interests of the unborn that are generally represented by guardians ad litem, the Court noted: "Perfection of the interests involved, again, has generally been contingent upon live birth. In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense." Id., at 162. Accordingly, an abortion is not "the termination of life entitled to Fourteenth Amendment protection." Id., at 159. From this holding, there was no dissent, see id., at 173; indeed, no member of the Court has ever questioned this fundamental proposition. Thus, as a matter of federal constitutional law, a developing organism that is not yet a "person" does not have what is sometimes described as a "right to life."'

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992)

We are all in agreement that the practice of abortion must end – the conflict concerns how to bring about its end, where any solution to the problem of abortion must comport with the Constitution and its case law – and that does not include propagating the lie that abortion is 'murder,' or seeking to 'ban' abortion in violation of the 14th Amendment.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy she does not want OR force her to terminate a pregnancy she wants violates the basic human right of a woman's reproductive health.

In as much as I am respectful of women's rights. . . I have to remind myself that a woman's rights begin when her life does.

At conception.

In your subjective opinion, not as a fact of law.

Therefore, in the context of the law, what is your solution to the problem of abortion that comports with the Constitution and its case law.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy she does not want OR force her to terminate a pregnancy she wants violates the basic human right of a woman's reproductive health.

In as much as I am respectful of women's rights. . . I have to remind myself that a woman's rights begin when her life does.

At conception.

And that would be incorrect.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Pro abortion is defined as anti life.

 

[Blackrook]

We call ourselves "pro-life". If you're going to label the pro-aborts "pro-choice" then you should use our preferred name as well.

I prefer pro-choice or anti-choice.

The right to choose what is right for the woman is also choosing to keep the fetus if she wants.

No one should take that choice and freedom away from her. We do not have sharia type laws and restrict woman to a sub-servant status. It is the woman's body and her life. It should be her choice, either way.

I'm glad our Supreme Court already appreciates the fact that it is problematic to abortion supporters for a person's rights to begin when their life does.

That's why I long for the day when our court will have to reconcile their ruling in Roe with our more recent fetal HOMICIDE laws which establishes the fact that it is a child in the womb which is worthy of each their own Constitutional rights and protections.

Till the last trimester if the mother dies in an accident you are not charged with two deaths. You have to know she is pregnant or it is visible that she is pregnant. Does not apply in the first trimester at all.

Till it is out of her body, or old enough that it might survive outside, it is not a person. It is a parasite feeding off her, making her sick, deforming her body, causing pain, making breathing difficult, even moving and standing up can be a obstacle. It cannot live without her, it is a part of her and her body so she has all say over it.
When it can take it's first breath apart from her, it become its own person.

Some women enjoy being pregnant, good for them, some are afraid, don't want or have had a problem and are unwilling to try again. Some are told they should not due to preconditions and o

No one has a right to her medical records or her conversations with her doctor. no one should even know she is pregnant or of her choice.

I misjudged you, I thought you were a nice person and could be persuaded.

Now I look upon you with horror. What happened to you that made you such a horrible person?

 

[BreezeWood]

What's the difference really?

one could stretch the above against the pro-life movement as to what is the difference between abortion and any other form of contraceptive including simply not having sex as all similarly being made as a choice independent of government intervention which was the SCOTUS ruling made in the case of Roe vs Wade. -

against fanatics who would dictate their own beliefs onto others as the present case of the Texas H.B. 2 law passed by the interventionist state legislature.

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[Dhara]

Pro abortion is defined as anti life.

Anti fetal life but pro-woman's life.

 

[Dhara]

Zygotes deserve more rights than adult women.

 

[Chuz Life]

Till the last trimester if the mother dies in an accident you are not charged with two deaths. You have to know she is pregnant or it is visible that she is pregnant. Does not apply in the first trimester at all.

Again, you are showing that you are not familiar with the language of our fetal homicide laws and /or with any of the convictions that are already being upheld by our Supreme Court.

I will grant that convictions are difficult and many arrests often lead to plea deals and such. However, the language is clear that the gestational age of the child killed does not matter.

Till it is out of her body, or old enough that it might survive outside, it is not a person.

I understand that is your belief and that is your opinion. It is not what the language of the laws is, however.

It is a parasite feeding off her, making her sick, deforming her body, causing pain, making breathing difficult, even moving and standing up can be a obstacle.

The parent child relationship is not scientifically recognized as parasitic. It is symbiotic. Primarily because the production of offspring is necessary for the survival of the species and "parasites" do not attach themselves and live at the detriment of their own kind.

You seem to have even less an appreciation of the scientific facts than you do for the Constitution or for the language of our laws.

It cannot live without her, it is a part of her and her body so she has all say over it.

If that is true - why then did the Supreme Court say this when they were dealing with Roe?

When it can take it's first breath apart from her, it become its own person.

And (again) if that were true, then those who opposed our fetal homicide laws should have had no problem getting those laws blocked or overturned.

The legal reality is that those laws remain intact and they not only define a "child in the womb" as "a human being" they also make the criminal killing of that child a crime of MURDER.

The crime of MURDER means that the victim killed is/ was a human being.

A person.

Some women enjoy being pregnant, good for them, some are afraid, don't want or have had a problem and are unwilling to try again. Some are told they should not due to preconditions and o

No one has the right to violate the rights of another. Especially not the rights of a child.

No one has a right to her medical records or her conversations with her doctor. no one should even know she is pregnant or of her choice.

We don't need to know all that in order to have laws against the violation of children's rights by abortions.

 

[Borillar]

Actually, I tend to reduce everything down to the simplest and most obvious terms. I simply call Prochoice " baby murderers".

That's because you are simple minded. You think a fetus is a baby. You probably think an egg is a chicken and an acorn is an oak tree too.

 

[Weatherman2020]

She is opposed to anti life procedures.

 

[Chuz Life]

Forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy she does not want OR force her to terminate a pregnancy she wants violates the basic human right of a woman's reproductive health.

In as much as I am respectful of women's rights. . . I have to remind myself that a woman's rights begin when her life does.

At conception.

And that would be incorrect.

What good is a woman's rights if they do not begin when her life does?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Pro abortion is defined as anti life.

And this is an example of the ignorance, stupidity, and extremism which renders it impossible to address the issue in any meaningful manner.

 

[aris2chat]

Back before the Civil War, slave owners were telling people who didn't have slaves to mind their own business.

Ultimately, that argument failed, and so will yours.

We are not going to stand by and allow you to commit genocide. We will fight you on this, and we will never give up, ever. In 1000 years we will still be fighting you, if that's what it takes.

Making her carry a pregnancy she does not want is slavery, making her a breeding animal against her will.

There are as many reason to not carry a fetus at any given time as there are woman. Yu can't make all women fit a mother role unless she wants a child

No child should be born that is not loved

16 million, don't we have enough unwanted children?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Forcing a woman to continue a pregnancy she does not want OR force her to terminate a pregnancy she wants violates the basic human right of a woman's reproductive health.

In as much as I am respectful of women's rights. . . I have to remind myself that a woman's rights begin when her life does.

At conception.

And that would be incorrect.

What good is a woman's rights if they do not begin when her life does?

This fails as a meaningless question fallacy.

And again: what is your solution to end the problem of abortion that comports with the Constitution and it case law.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Pro abortion is defined as anti life.

And this is an example of the ignorance, stupidity, and extremism which renders it impossible to address the issue in any meaningful manner.

Sorry, I meant anti life. You're anti life. No, I meant anti choice. Just anti.

 

[Dhara]

Pro abortion is defined as anti life.

And this is an example of the ignorance, stupidity, and extremism which renders it impossible to address the issue in any meaningful manner.

Sorry, I meant anti life. You're anti life. No, I meant anti choice. Just anti.

You're in favor of forcing women to give birth against their will.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Pro abortion is defined as anti life.

And this is an example of the ignorance, stupidity, and extremism which renders it impossible to address the issue in any meaningful manner.

Sorry, I meant anti life. You're anti life. No, I meant anti choice. Just anti.

You're in favor of forcing women to give birth against their will.

It's an amazing new discovery, they know what makes babies now.

 

[BreezeWood]

We are not going to stand by and allow you to commit genocide. We will fight you on this, and we will never give up, ever. In 1000 years we will still be fighting you, if that's what it takes.

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is that abortion or all contraceptive measures including not to have intercourse as a choice.

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