Anti Zionism is the new anti Semitism, says Britain's ex Chief Rabbi.

[Hollie]

Chomsky explained quite well why anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Believing that it was wrong for Europeans to colonize Palestine and dispossess the native people is not antisemitism.

You're not addressing one point Rabbi Saks made.

Merely the broken record of your own obsession. Ad infinitum.

You mean the inconvenient basic fact. European Zionists colonized Palestine and dispossessed the native people.

Actually, that's a hilarious slogan.

 

[Challenger]

I both like and respect Jonathan Sacks, but like Ken Livingstone's earlier comments about Hitler and Zionism, he also proceeds from muddled history.

Jewish people have always encountered hatred and prejudice because of their religion,Sacks' mistake is that he overlooks the fact that in the 18th and 19th centuries in Western Europe there was a period of religious tolerance and "religious emancipation" movements abounded by the 19th century. In Eastern Europe, especially in the Russian Empire and other Orthodox Christan states, this socio-political movement never took off, so descrimination on religious grounds persisted. Jewish people were never hated for being a "race", because they never were one. This idea of a seperate "Jewish race" appeared in the mid to late 19th century as a consequence of the "nationalism" sweeping across Europe at the time and was taken up as an ideology by early Zionism to promote their "Jewish homeland idea".

Sacks also oversimplifies the question, it's not about Zionist Israel's right to exist, all countries in the world today only exist as a result of having good relations with their neighbours; there is no national "right to exist".

 

[Challenger]

The Israeli militias beat the crap out of the British-trained and equipped Arab Legion.

No they didn't. Had they done so in 1948, there would never have been a "West Bank" of the state of Jordan.

 

[SAYIT]

http://www.newsweek.com/jonathan-sacks-anti-semitism-anti-zionism-bds-israel-labour-442978?rx=us

On March 27, speaking to the Sunday Times, former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams expressed his concern at rising levels of anti-Semitism on British university campuses. There are, he said, “worrying echoes” of Germany in the 1930s. Two days later, in The Times, Chris Bryant, the Shadow Leader of the House of Commons and a senior member of the British Labour party, warned that the political left was increasingly questioning the right of the state of Israel to exist, a view he called a “not too subtle form of anti-Semitism.”

Across Europe, Jews are leaving. A survey in 2013 by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights showed that almost a third of Europe’s Jews have considered emigrating because of anti-Semitism, with numbers as high as 46 percent in France and 48 percent in Hungary.

Anti-semitism is a virus that survives by mutating. In the Middle Ages, Jews were hated because of their religion. In the 19th and 20th centuries they were hated because of their race. Today they are hated because of their nation state, Israel. Anti-Zionism is the new anti-Semitism.

The legitimization has also changed. Throughout history, when people have sought to justify anti-Semitism, they have done so by recourse to the highest source of authority available within the culture. In the Middle Ages, it was religion. In post-Enlightenment Europe it was science. Today it is human rights. It is why Israel—the only fully functioning democracy in the Middle East with a free press and independent judiciary—is regularly accused of the five crimes against human rights: racism, apartheid, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide. This is the blood libel of our time.

Anti-Semitism is a classic example of what anthropologist René Girard sees as the primal form of human violence: scapegoating. When bad things happen to a group, its members can ask two different questions: “What did we do wrong?” or “Who did this to us?” The entire fate of the group will depend on which it chooses.

Thanks for posting that. The author did an excellent job of understating the obvious ... that anti-Zionism (or anti-Israelism) is indeed the new anti-Semitism.

"Anti-semitism is a virus that survives by mutating. In the Middle Ages, Jews were hated because of their religion. In the 19th and 20th centuries they were hated because of their race. Today they are hated because of their nation state, Israel. Anti-Zionism is the new anti-Semitism."

I would venture to say that those who hate Jews have a million reasons to justify their hatred but 21st Century Nazi-types hate them for all the reasons listed (religion, race, Israel) and an endless number of perceived slights, crimes and misdemeanors.

I find it revealing (but hardly surprising) that two of USMB's most rabid anti-Zionists - 9/11HandJob and TinHorn - consider that article to be funny. Such is the nature of the beast within them.

 

[SAYIT]

The Israelis want special rules that apply only to them which will make any criticism of their ruling millions of people held in outdoor prisons illegal. They never consider what they are doing is barbaric and that any other country that did this would be considered a pariah.

In fact, quite the opposite has been at work for decades at that once-august global organization, the United Nations, where Israel and the Jews are regularly singled out for pariah-hood by nations with the most foul human rights records. Just click on any of the pronouncements of the UN "Human Rights" Council or it's predecessor, The UN Commission on "Human Rights," (which was disbanded for its blatant anti-Semitism) each of which includes members of many of those tyrannical, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, ignorance-breeding states. No wonder they hate Israel.

exactly,a winner here.

that is pathetic from that ex chief.Zionism jewish people do everything you described and are horrible people because of that unlike juduism jewish people who are very good people.the only way it is antisemitic is if people say juduism jewish people are murderers.

The author of that incoherent rant is the poster child for what happens to a brain too long on anti-Semitism. It is invariably reduced to drooling and knuckle-dragging and causes all who come in contact with it to shake their heads and walk away.

 

[Mindful]

Ken Livingstone is the pits.

 

[montelatici]

The Israelis want special rules that apply only to them which will make any criticism of their ruling millions of people held in outdoor prisons illegal. They never consider what they are doing is barbaric and that any other country that did this would be considered a pariah.

In fact, quite the opposite has been at work for decades at that once-august global organization, the United Nations, where Israel and the Jews are regularly singled out for pariah-hood by nations with the most foul human rights records. Just click on any of the pronouncements of the UN "Human Rights" Council or it's predecessor, The UN Commission on "Human Rights," (which was disbanded for its blatant anti-Semitism) each of which includes members of many of those tyrannical, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, ignorance-breeding states. No wonder they hate Israel.

exactly,a winner here.

that is pathetic from that ex chief.Zionism jewish people do everything you described and are horrible people because of that unlike juduism jewish people who are very good people.the only way it is antisemitic is if people say juduism jewish people are murderers.

The author of that incoherent rant is the poster child for what happens to a brain too long on anti-Semitism. It is invariably reduced to drooling and knuckle-dragging and causes all who come in contact with it to shake their heads and walk away.

What other regime would avoid pariah status and sanctions if they behaved like Israel vis-a-vis people under their full control whose crime is to differ ethnically or religiously from the those of the ruling regime?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Mindful]

On March 27, speaking to the Sunday Times, former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams expressed his concern at rising levels of anti-Semitism on British university campuses. There are, he said, “worrying echoes” of Germany in the 1930s. Two days later, in The Times, Chris Bryant, the Shadow Leader of the House of Commons and a senior member of the British Labour party, warned that the political left was increasingly questioning the right of the state of Israel to exist, a view he called a “not too subtle form of anti-Semitism.”

Across Europe, Jews are leaving. A survey in 2013 by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights showed that almost a third of Europe’s Jews have considered emigrating because of anti-Semitism, with numbers as high as 46 percent in France and 48 percent in Hungary.

Anti-semitism is a virus that survives by mutating. In the Middle Ages, Jews were hated because of their religion. In the 19th and 20th centuries they were hated because of their race. Today they are hated because of their nation state, Israel. Anti-Zionism is the new anti-Semitism.

The legitimization has also changed. Throughout history, when people have sought to justify anti-Semitism, they have done so by recourse to the highest source of authority available within the culture. In the Middle Ages, it was religion. In post-Enlightenment Europe it was science. Today it is human rights. It is why Israel—the only fully functioning democracy in the Middle East with a free press and independent judiciary—is regularly accused of the five crimes against human rights: racism, apartheid, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide. This is the blood libel of our time.

Anti-Semitism is a classic example of what anthropologist René Girard sees as the primal form of human violence: scapegoating. When bad things happen to a group, its members can ask two different questions: “What did we do wrong?” or “Who did this to us?” The entire fate of the group will depend on which it chooses.

 

[SAYIT]

The Israelis want special rules that apply only to them which will make any criticism of their ruling millions of people held in outdoor prisons illegal. They never consider what they are doing is barbaric and that any other country that did this would be considered a pariah.

In fact, quite the opposite has been at work for decades at that once-august global organization, the United Nations, where Israel and the Jews are regularly singled out for pariah-hood by nations with the most foul human rights records. Just click on any of the pronouncements of the UN "Human Rights" Council or it's predecessor, The UN Commission on "Human Rights," (which was disbanded for its blatant anti-Semitism) each of which includes members of many of those tyrannical, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, ignorance-breeding states. No wonder they hate Israel.

exactly,a winner here.

that is pathetic from that ex chief.Zionism jewish people do everything you described and are horrible people because of that unlike juduism jewish people who are very good people.the only way it is antisemitic is if people say juduism jewish people are murderers.

The author of that incoherent rant is the poster child for what happens to a brain too long on anti-Semitism. It is invariably reduced to drooling and knuckle-dragging and causes all who come in contact with it to shake their heads and walk away.

What other regime would avoid pariah status and sanctions if they behaved like Israel vis-a-vis people under their full control whose crime is to differ ethnically or religiously from the those of the ruling regime?

Being considered a "pariah state" by the UN "Human Rights" Council or its predecessor - the UN Commission on "Human Rights" - is proof positive that Israel is on the right track. That you can't see (or admit that) is proof positive that you are blinded by your hatred.

 

[Phoenall]

The Israelis want special rules that apply only to them which will make any criticism of their ruling millions of people held in outdoor prisons illegal. They never consider what they are doing is barbaric and that any other country that did this would be considered a pariah.

You have it mixed up as it is the muslims that want the special rules. Who was it went to the UN demanding that any criticism of islam , even if well founded and accurate, was to be made illegal. A clue freddy it wasnt Israel

 

[Phoenall]

On March 27, speaking to the Sunday Times, former Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams expressed his concern at rising levels of anti-Semitism on British university campuses. There are, he said, “worrying echoes” of Germany in the 1930s. Two days later, in The Times, Chris Bryant, the Shadow Leader of the House of Commons and a senior member of the British Labour party, warned that the political left was increasingly questioning the right of the state of Israel to exist, a view he called a “not too subtle form of anti-Semitism.”

Across Europe, Jews are leaving. A survey in 2013 by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights showed that almost a third of Europe’s Jews have considered emigrating because of anti-Semitism, with numbers as high as 46 percent in France and 48 percent in Hungary.

Anti-semitism is a virus that survives by mutating. In the Middle Ages, Jews were hated because of their religion. In the 19th and 20th centuries they were hated because of their race. Today they are hated because of their nation state, Israel. Anti-Zionism is the new anti-Semitism.

The legitimization has also changed. Throughout history, when people have sought to justify anti-Semitism, they have done so by recourse to the highest source of authority available within the culture. In the Middle Ages, it was religion. In post-Enlightenment Europe it was science. Today it is human rights. It is why Israel—the only fully functioning democracy in the Middle East with a free press and independent judiciary—is regularly accused of the five crimes against human rights: racism, apartheid, crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and attempted genocide. This is the blood libel of our time.

Anti-Semitism is a classic example of what anthropologist René Girard sees as the primal form of human violence: scapegoating. When bad things happen to a group, its members can ask two different questions: “What did we do wrong?” or “Who did this to us?” The entire fate of the group will depend on which it chooses.

Is that for your failed attempt at imposing sharia law on the whole planet when you demanded muslims be given a free ride when it came to freedom of speech. Guess you are just all LOSERS

 

[Phoenall]

The Israelis want special rules that apply only to them which will make any criticism of their ruling millions of people held in outdoor prisons illegal. They never consider what they are doing is barbaric and that any other country that did this would be considered a pariah.

The war criminals are the Arab terrorists.

The Jews have won their homeland fair and square.

Islamofascism will never change that even if it tries for the next five centuries.

The Israelis are today's Nazi war criminals. ZioNazis will never change.

The Jews colonized Palestine with the help of the British. They did not win anything on their own.

ISLAMONAZI LIES AND PROPAGANDA FROM THE ISLAMONAZI CHIEF OF LIES AND PROPAGANDA

 

[Phoenall]

The Israelis want special rules that apply only to them which will make any criticism of their ruling millions of people held in outdoor prisons illegal. They never consider what they are doing is barbaric and that any other country that did this would be considered a pariah.

exactly,a winner here.

that is pathetic from that ex chief.Zionism jewish people do everything you described and are horrible people because of that unlike juduism jewish people who are very good people.the only way it is antisemitic is if people say juduism jewish people are murderers.

Anything that demonises the Jewish people is anti Semitism, like the blatant lie in monte's post as the evidence shows that is was the muslims that demanded the UN made any criticism of islam illegal. And this included telling the truth about such things as illegal rockets fired from gaza, knife attacks on unarmed women and children and the mass rape of thousands of children in the UK.

 

[Phoenall]

Chomsky explained quite well why anti-Zionism is not antisemitism. Believing that it was wrong for Europeans to colonize Palestine and dispossess the native people is not antisemitism.

You're not addressing one point Rabbi Saks made.

Merely the broken record of your own obsession. Ad infinitum.

You mean the inconvenient basic fact. European Zionists colonized Palestine and dispossessed the native people.

Actually, that's a hilarious slogan.

More so when it comes from an islamonazi catholic POS invader and coloniser that dispossessed the rightful owners of many lands and tries to blame the Jews for his own peoples actions.

 

[Phoenall]

The Israeli militias beat the crap out of the British-trained and equipped Arab Legion.

No they didn't. Had they done so in 1948, there would never have been a "West Bank" of the state of Jordan.

Re writing history again rat boy as Jordan was not part of the arab league forces, it was intent on increasing its land by taking the west bank. This it did and promptly Annexed it and stopped advancing anymore.

 

[Phoenall]

The Israelis want special rules that apply only to them which will make any criticism of their ruling millions of people held in outdoor prisons illegal. They never consider what they are doing is barbaric and that any other country that did this would be considered a pariah.

In fact, quite the opposite has been at work for decades at that once-august global organization, the United Nations, where Israel and the Jews are regularly singled out for pariah-hood by nations with the most foul human rights records. Just click on any of the pronouncements of the UN "Human Rights" Council or it's predecessor, The UN Commission on "Human Rights," (which was disbanded for its blatant anti-Semitism) each of which includes members of many of those tyrannical, misogynist, xenophobic, homophobic, ignorance-breeding states. No wonder they hate Israel.

exactly,a winner here.

that is pathetic from that ex chief.Zionism jewish people do everything you described and are horrible people because of that unlike juduism jewish people who are very good people.the only way it is antisemitic is if people say juduism jewish people are murderers.

The author of that incoherent rant is the poster child for what happens to a brain too long on anti-Semitism. It is invariably reduced to drooling and knuckle-dragging and causes all who come in contact with it to shake their heads and walk away.

What other regime would avoid pariah status and sanctions if they behaved like Israel vis-a-vis people under their full control whose crime is to differ ethnically or religiously from the those of the ruling regime?

Only because of your Jew hatred, and the Jew hatred of islam are so many wrongful resolutions brought to the UN. If the UN imposed a fine, or a ban from any UN activity for 6 months for any nation bringing false witness then you would see the arab muslim side denuded within 1 week

 

[Phoenall]

Just more islamonazi anti semetic propaganda

 

[JakeStarkey]

Israel is indeed on the right track.

Neggers are gonna neg, so just piss on their shoes.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is indeed on the right track.

Neggers are gonna neg, so just piss on their shoes.

The typical Israel supporter.