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Wow. I just found out that the "global warming" loons are way off of the mark. The Arctic Sea increased sea ice by 60% in 2013. That's huge!!!
About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted.
"We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped, Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin told Londons Mail on Sunday.
"The absence of any significant change in the global annual average temperature over the past 16 years has become one of the most discussed topics in climate science," wrote David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation in June. "It has certainly focused the debate about the relative importance of greenhouse gas forcing of the climate versus natural variability."
Arctic sea ice up 60 percent in 2013 | Fox News
Okay loons ... time to find a new strawman!!!
We saw it happen with DDT, and instead of finding a way it could be more safely used to reduce the scourge of Malaria, condemned poor brown children around the world to largely preventable death.
Given where we are at right now, is it smarter to attempt reversing a cycle that seems to have stalled the last 15 years and is largely out of our control (seeing that no matter what America does, the developing world will continue increasing their standard of living), or is it smarter to prepare for inevitable change that would happen whether man was here or not?
In comparison, in the 1950s, Arctic ice extent was around 4.25 million square miles and it was much thicker in most places than it is today.
Interesting. I did not realize that in 1950 they had the same technology to measure ice as they do today. It doesn't appear there has been much technological advancement in the ice measuring department.
Another denier cult 'straw-man' argument and a really stupid one at that. Nobody said that they had "the same technology" in the 1950s, moron. But did you imagine that everyone then was blind and stupid? Do you think that there were no records kept in that era? Do you imagine that everything before the beginning of satellite observations is just a featureless blur to scientists? Just how retarded are you?
Interesting. I did not realize that in 1950 they had the same technology to measure ice as they do today. It doesn't appear there has been much technological advancement in the ice measuring department.
Another denier cult 'straw-man' argument and a really stupid one at that. Nobody said that they had "the same technology" in the 1950s, moron. But did you imagine that everyone then was blind and stupid? Do you think that there were no records kept in that era? Do you imagine that everything before the beginning of satellite observations is just a featureless blur to scientists? Just how retarded are you?
Dear blithering idiot, You compared data from 1950 with today. Not me. The End.
We saw it happen with DDT, and instead of finding a way it could be more safely used to reduce the scourge of Malaria, condemned poor brown children around the world to largely preventable death.
Malaria was never banned for mosquito control. You've fallen for yet another conservative urban legend, because it's one of the many mantras that the right-wing-fringe extremist cult requires its acolytes to chant.
Back in the real world, mass agricultural use of DDT was creating DDT-resistant mosquitos, and making DDT useless for malaria control. Fortunately, intelligent people looked at reality, stopped the mass agricultural use, and kept DDT useful for malaria control. Rachel Carlson should be credited with saving millions of lives.
But like the other fake skeptics here, you don't care. You'd see all those millions of brown people killed from malaria, rather than admit you fell for a line of crap from your political cult. Your anti-science cult causes actual harm, the deaths of actual people.
Given where we are at right now, is it smarter to attempt reversing a cycle that seems to have stalled the last 15 years and is largely out of our control (seeing that no matter what America does, the developing world will continue increasing their standard of living), or is it smarter to prepare for inevitable change that would happen whether man was here or not?
First you say the developing nations cause warming, then you say humans don't cause it. When you can get your talking points to not contradict each other, make another attempt.
The current sea ice extent is the second lowest in history.
That's because you have your head jammed so incredibly far up your ass, SSooooDDuuumb.Really? Doesn't look like that to me.The current sea ice extent is the second lowest in history.
That's because you have your head jammed so incredibly far up your ass, SSooooDDuuumb.Really? Doesn't look like that to me.The current sea ice extent is the second lowest in history.
The thread topic was Arctic sea ice and that's what we were talking about. As you knew.
Conflating the shrinking Arctic sea ice, which is in a death spiral, with the maximum extent of the much less significant Antarctic sea ice, which shrinks to almost nothing at its minimum every year, is just the usual fossil fuel industry/denier cult deceptive propaganda gimmick.
Arctic sea ice has been rapidly disappearing, shrinking in both extent and volume for decades, but especially fast over the last decade or so where it has declined in extent from 2.31 million square miles in 2002 to only 1.32 million square miles in 2012. This ice loss radically changes the Earth's albedo as highly reflective sea ice vanishes and is replaced by the strongly light-absorbing dark sea water. This is a global warming positive feedback loop where warming causes sea ice loss which increases ocean warming, causing further ice loss, resulting in more warming and then more ice loss, and so on and so on. Most climate scientists think that the Arctic sea ice is in a downward death spiral. The disappearance of this ice is already affecting weather patterns all over the northern latitudes. This Arctic ice loss is ongoing, almost continuous, and very radical.
In contrast, almost all of the ice around the southern pole is resting on the continent of Antarctica. Ice sheets two miles thick and enormous glaciers are now melting and losing ice mass and raising sea levels. Surrounding the continent of Antarctica is a fringe of seasonal sea ice that melts away almost completely very summer and reforms in the winter. For this reason, global sea ice extents are almost meaningless for understanding what is happening to the Earth's ice. Which is why you denier cultists try to cite them so often in your attempt to confuse people with the meaningless numbers you get when you add up the Southern Hemisphere winter maximum ice extents and ignore the enormously smaller SH summer minimum extents.
These images using satellite-derived sea ice concentration data show average minimum and maximum sea ice during March and September for the Arctic and Antarctic from 1979 to 2000. Seasons are opposite between the Southern and Northern Hemispheres; the South reaches its summer minimum in February, while the North reaches its summer minimum in September. (March is shown for both hemispheres for consistency.) The black circles in the center of the Northern Hemisphere images are areas lacking data due to limitations in satellite coverage at the North Pole.
Almost all of the sea ice that forms during the Antarctic winter melts during the summer. During the winter, up to 18 million square kilometers (6.9 million square miles) of ocean is covered by sea ice, but by the end of summer, only about 3 million square kilometers (1.1 million square miles) of sea ice remain.
(source: National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado.)
That's because you have your head jammed so incredibly far up your ass, SSooooDDuuumb.Really? Doesn't look like that to me.
The thread topic was Arctic sea ice and that's what we were talking about. As you knew.
Conflating the shrinking Arctic sea ice, which is in a death spiral, with the maximum extent of the much less significant Antarctic sea ice, which shrinks to almost nothing at its minimum every year, is just the usual fossil fuel industry/denier cult deceptive propaganda gimmick.
Arctic sea ice has been rapidly disappearing, shrinking in both extent and volume for decades, but especially fast over the last decade or so where it has declined in extent from 2.31 million square miles in 2002 to only 1.32 million square miles in 2012. This ice loss radically changes the Earth's albedo as highly reflective sea ice vanishes and is replaced by the strongly light-absorbing dark sea water. This is a global warming positive feedback loop where warming causes sea ice loss which increases ocean warming, causing further ice loss, resulting in more warming and then more ice loss, and so on and so on. Most climate scientists think that the Arctic sea ice is in a downward death spiral. The disappearance of this ice is already affecting weather patterns all over the northern latitudes. This Arctic ice loss is ongoing, almost continuous, and very radical.
In contrast, almost all of the ice around the southern pole is resting on the continent of Antarctica. Ice sheets two miles thick and enormous glaciers are now melting and losing ice mass and raising sea levels. Surrounding the continent of Antarctica is a fringe of seasonal sea ice that melts away almost completely very summer and reforms in the winter. For this reason, global sea ice extents are almost meaningless for understanding what is happening to the Earth's ice. Which is why you denier cultists try to cite them so often in your attempt to confuse people with the meaningless numbers you get when you add up the Southern Hemisphere winter maximum ice extents and ignore the enormously smaller SH summer minimum extents.
These images using satellite-derived sea ice concentration data show average minimum and maximum sea ice during March and September for the Arctic and Antarctic from 1979 to 2000. Seasons are opposite between the Southern and Northern Hemispheres; the South reaches its summer minimum in February, while the North reaches its summer minimum in September. (March is shown for both hemispheres for consistency.) The black circles in the center of the Northern Hemisphere images are areas lacking data due to limitations in satellite coverage at the North Pole.
Almost all of the sea ice that forms during the Antarctic winter melts during the summer. During the winter, up to 18 million square kilometers (6.9 million square miles) of ocean is covered by sea ice, but by the end of summer, only about 3 million square kilometers (1.1 million square miles) of sea ice remain.
(source: National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado.)
He said sea ice. I provide a graph of sea ice and how often does a thread stay on topic around here corporal ass wipe?
Strangely enough, it was killing the mosquitoes that were biting white people here in this country. No malaria here...but we need not worry about those brown people....right?
The current sea ice extent is the second lowest in history.
Really? Doesn't look like that to me.
The current sea ice extent is the second lowest in history.
The current sea ice extent is the second lowest in history.
Well that depends. Who was keeping track of climate history is 6000 B.C. or 3000 B.C., etc.?
The current sea ice extent is the second lowest in history.
Well that depends. Who was keeping track of climate history is 6000 B.C. or 3000 B.C., etc.?
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