Arctic Sea Ice ^UP^ By 60%. Global Warming?

[DriftingSand]

From Forbes: To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here - Forbes

*snip*

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

*snip*

The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period. But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period. As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes.

*snip*

That is even more significant because NASA’s climate science has been controlled for years by global warming hysteric James Hansen, who recently announced his retirement.
But this same concern is increasingly being echoed worldwide. The Voice of Russia reported on April 22, 2013,
“Global warming which has been the subject of so many discussions in recent years, may give way to global cooling. According to scientists from the Pulkovo Observatory in St.Petersburg, solar activity is waning, so the average yearly temperature will begin to decline as well. Scientists from Britain and the US chime in saying that forecasts for global cooling are far from groundless.”

*snip*

“German meteorologists say that the start of 2013 is now the coldest in 208 years – and now German media has quoted Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov from the St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory [saying this] is proof as he said earlier that we are heading for a “Mini Ice Age.” Talking to German media the scientist who first made his prediction in 2005 said that after studying sunspots and their relationship with climate change on Earth, we are now on an ‘unavoidable advance towards a deep temperature drop.’”

*snip*

“Russia is famous for its biting frosts but this year, abnormally icy weather also hit much of Europe, the United States, China and India. Record snowfalls brought Kiev, capital of Ukraine, to a standstill for several days in late March, closed roads across many parts of Britain, buried thousands of sheep beneath six-metre deep snowdrifts in Northern Ireland, and left more than 1,000,000 homes without electricity in Poland. British authorities said March was the second coldest in its records dating back to 1910. China experienced the severest winter weather in 30 years and New Delhi in January recorded the lowest temperature in 44 years.”

*snip*

But there is a fundamental problem with the temperature records from this contentious period, when climate science crashed into political science. The land based records, which have been under the control of global warming alarmists at the British Met Office and the Hadley Centre Climate Research Unit, and at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in the U.S., show much more warming during this period than the incorruptible satellite atmosphere temperature records. Those satellite records have been further confirmed by atmospheric weather balloons. But the land based records can be subject to tampering and falsification.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here - Forbes

And there you have it in a tidy, little package! We're likely about to enter another "little ice age." Does that mean the Obama and Gore will start paying us "carbon credits?" I'd like mind in the form of gold or silver -- if you don't mind.

 

[Howey]

How is it that the AUTHOR of the opening post's article, withdrawing his claim and stating that NSIDC was correct, can be so easily ignored by the lot of you?

Because they don't want to know. They're happy being ignorant.

 

[DriftingSand]

How is it that the AUTHOR of the opening post's article, withdrawing his claim and stating that NSIDC was correct, can be so easily ignored by the lot of you?

Because they don't want to know. They're happy being ignorant.

Says the dude who's ignoring the latest "scientific" evidence. Plug ears - squeeze eyes - and repeat 3 times - there's no place like snow, there's no place like snow, there's no place like snow.

Just funnin' ya. Go ahead and embrace yesterday's "news."

 

[ScienceRocks]

Anyone that believes it is cooling...Well, I got a bridge that runs over the Hudson river to sell you.

 

[Old Rocks]

How is it that the AUTHOR of the opening post's article, withdrawing his claim and stating that NSIDC was correct, can be so easily ignored by the lot of you?

Because they don't want to know. They're happy being ignorant.

Says the dude who's ignoring the latest "scientific" evidence. Plug ears - squeeze eyes - and repeat 3 times - there's no place like snow, there's no place like snow, there's no place like snow.

Just funnin' ya. Go ahead and embrace yesterday's "news."

So you get it off proving yourself a dumb fuck.
UAH Global Temperature Update for April, 2014: +0.19 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD

Now this is the guy that the obese junkie on the radio quotes. Look at the running mean. It has been above the highest points on the running mean prior to 1997, except for two brief periods in 2000 and 2008. And even then, the lowest point on the mean was higher than most of the mean for the period from 1979 to 1997.

Now the one prediction that is made for sure for global warming is that the weather swings are going to be wider and wilder, with an overall warming. Some cool temps this winter, watch what happens this summer.

 

[ScienceRocks]

When a Skeptic like Spencer can't even produce a data set that shows cooling = you don't have a case! What on earth do you have to suggest we're cooling?

 

[DriftingSand]

Anyone that believes it is cooling...Well, I got a bridge that runs over the Hudson river to sell you.

Really? How much?

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is the complete data for the Arctic sea ice from 1979 to present.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

This is the sea ice anamoly for the same period;

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png

And the total sea ice for the planet for the same period;

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

Now would you care to show me a significant upward trend? Only the Antarctic sea ice has shown any gain, and that anamoly is dismally small compared to the loss in the Arctic sea ice;

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.antarctic.png

 

[DriftingSand]

Because they don't want to know. They're happy being ignorant.

Says the dude who's ignoring the latest "scientific" evidence. Plug ears - squeeze eyes - and repeat 3 times - there's no place like snow, there's no place like snow, there's no place like snow.

Just funnin' ya. Go ahead and embrace yesterday's "news."

So you get it off proving yourself a dumb fuck.
UAH Global Temperature Update for April, 2014: +0.19 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD

Now this is the guy that the obese junkie on the radio quotes. Look at the running mean. It has been above the highest points on the running mean prior to 1997, except for two brief periods in 2000 and 2008. And even then, the lowest point on the mean was higher than most of the mean for the period from 1979 to 1997.

Now the one prediction that is made for sure for global warming is that the weather swings are going to be wider and wilder, with an overall warming. Some cool temps this winter, watch what happens this summer.

And yet you ignore the fact that there is 60% more Arctic sea ice. Go ahead and cling to your charts and your calculators. I'm going to cling to my guns and my Bible and the newest in scientific revelation.

 

[DriftingSand]

NASA's testimony: NASA Warns Earth May Be Entering a Period of ?Global Cooling? « Chemtrails: The Exotic Weapon

Scientists who are convinced that global warming is a serious threat to our planet say that such a reduced solar output would simply buy us more time … delaying the warming trend, but not stopping or reversing it.
On the other hand, scientists who are skeptical about global warming say that the threat is a new mini ice age. (Remember that scientists have been convinced in the past that we would have a new ice age, and even considered pouring soot over the arctic in the 1970s to help melt the ice – in order to prevent another ice age. Obama’s top science advisor was one of those warning of a new ice age in the 1970s. And see this.)

From the ICR: New Evidence for Global Cooling

New Evidence for Global Cooling

by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D. *

Evidence continues to accumulate that we may have turned the corner on global warming. The earth may be entering a period of cooling. A group of solar physicists in Europe has found a strong association between solar activity and temperatures in central England in weather records as far back as the Maunder Minimum, a 50-year period in which there were no sunspots between about 1650 and 1700 A.D.1 The Little Ice Age in Europe coincided with the Maunder Minimum and has long been thought to have been associated in some way with sunspots.

Astronomers: World may be entering period of global cooling | Watts Up With That?

I guess we'll just to wait and see if the alarmists/people-controllers are correct or if the recently scientific information is correct. I've placed my bet.

 

[DriftingSand]

NASA's testimony: NASA Warns Earth May Be Entering a Period of ?Global Cooling? « Chemtrails: The Exotic Weapon

Scientists who are convinced that global warming is a serious threat to our planet say that such a reduced solar output would simply buy us more time … delaying the warming trend, but not stopping or reversing it.
On the other hand, scientists who are skeptical about global warming say that the threat is a new mini ice age. (Remember that scientists have been convinced in the past that we would have a new ice age, and even considered pouring soot over the arctic in the 1970s to help melt the ice – in order to prevent another ice age. Obama’s top science advisor was one of those warning of a new ice age in the 1970s. And see this.)

From the ICR: New Evidence for Global Cooling

New Evidence for Global Cooling

by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D. *

Evidence continues to accumulate that we may have turned the corner on global warming. The earth may be entering a period of cooling. A group of solar physicists in Europe has found a strong association between solar activity and temperatures in central England in weather records as far back as the Maunder Minimum, a 50-year period in which there were no sunspots between about 1650 and 1700 A.D.1 The Little Ice Age in Europe coincided with the Maunder Minimum and has long been thought to have been associated in some way with sunspots.

Astronomers: World may be entering period of global cooling | Watts Up With That?

I guess we'll just to wait and see if the alarmists/people-controllers are correct or if the recently scientific information is correct. I've placed my bet.

 

[flacaltenn]

How is it that the AUTHOR of the opening post's article, withdrawing his claim and stating that NSIDC was correct, can be so easily ignored by the lot of you?

Because they don't want to know. They're happy being ignorant.

Lemme 'splain this to both of you, because you're really not getting it..
WE are talking about what the ARCTIC ice is doing in 2013/14, Howey tossed a bunch of crap up there about the Antarctic (you do know that's different right) and a RETRACTION from a fucking thinkprogress (be still my heart) article from 2008...

A new Olympic record for retraction of a denier talking point
BY JOE ROMM ON AUGUST 25, 2008 AT 3:52 PM

.... and that one was Howie's "favorite"..

NONE of that shit sticks -- OK? Not even relevant to what the Polar ice is doing this year.
Have someone else help you out with the details.... I don't do ice. Because Sea Ice is a VERY non-linear indicator of temperature and
the ways that it is measured game the conclusions.. I prefer to look at all the other evidence..

 

[Darkwind]

How is it that the AUTHOR of the opening post's article, withdrawing his claim and stating that NSIDC was correct, can be so easily ignored by the lot of you?

Wait, so the ice really isn't there?

Go to NSIDC.org and check out the latest ice extents graph. Extents have been well BELOW 2012 values for months. And the data at PIOMAS certainly doesn't support Goddard's original ideas.

Wait. So the graph says it isn't there so we shouldn't believe our lyin eyes. Is that your argument?

 

[flacaltenn]

Let's chat about getting the RIGHT graphs and numbers.. I had a hard time understanding the 60% claim in the OP..
Like I said --- I don't CARE about sea ice because ice melts at 32degF and is not a thermometer.. But the Daily Mail link seems RIGHT on
with the claim of 29% increase from August 2012 to August 2013.. 2012 being a really bad year for Arctic sea ice..

Now you can't go grabbing the 1st graph you find on the internet to VALIDATE that claim because the claim is a Year over Year in August type thing.
And MOST of the Sea Ice charts are HEAVILY FILTERED to remove the monthly variances. So what you NEED is an UNFILTERED chart of the OFFICIAL NSIDC sea ice record. As in ::::

((I had an aw shit moment finding out that Google Chrome now restricts image linking by copyright allowances and had to figure out how to
please them.. Excuse the screen shot -- I now know how to do this))

NOTE --- that on this MONTH by MONTH view --- there is EASILY a 30% increase between those 2 dates.
If anyone can explain the OTHER 60% claim --- we can work on that. Lying with statistics is easy --- but USING numbers in statistics is ALSO easy if you use the right data set...

 

[Impenitent]

From Forbes: To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here - Forbes

*snip*

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

*snip*

The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period. But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period. As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes.

*snip*



*snip*



*snip*

“Russia is famous for its biting frosts but this year, abnormally icy weather also hit much of Europe, the United States, China and India. Record snowfalls brought Kiev, capital of Ukraine, to a standstill for several days in late March, closed roads across many parts of Britain, buried thousands of sheep beneath six-metre deep snowdrifts in Northern Ireland, and left more than 1,000,000 homes without electricity in Poland. British authorities said March was the second coldest in its records dating back to 1910. China experienced the severest winter weather in 30 years and New Delhi in January recorded the lowest temperature in 44 years.”

*snip*

But there is a fundamental problem with the temperature records from this contentious period, when climate science crashed into political science. The land based records, which have been under the control of global warming alarmists at the British Met Office and the Hadley Centre Climate Research Unit, and at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in the U.S., show much more warming during this period than the incorruptible satellite atmosphere temperature records. Those satellite records have been further confirmed by atmospheric weather balloons. But the land based records can be subject to tampering and falsification.

To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here - Forbes

And there you have it in a tidy, little package! We're likely about to enter another "little ice age." Does that mean the Obama and Gore will start paying us "carbon credits?" I'd like mind in the form of gold or silver -- if you don't mind.

A tidy package written by a director of the Heartland Institute. Take what they say about AGW with a grain of salt, just as you do with what they say about cigarettes.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Wow. I just found out that the "global warming" loons are way off of the mark. The Arctic Sea increased sea ice by 60% in 2013. That's huge!!!

About a million more square miles of ocean are covered in ice in 2013 than in 2012, a whopping 60 percent increase -- and a dramatic deviation from predictions of an "ice-free Arctic in 2013," the Daily Mail noted.

"We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped,” Anastasios Tsonis of the University of Wisconsin told London’s Mail on Sunday.

"The absence of any significant change in the global annual average temperature over the past 16 years has become one of the most discussed topics in climate science," wrote David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation in June. "It has certainly focused the debate about the relative importance of greenhouse gas forcing of the climate versus natural variability."

Arctic sea ice up 60 percent in 2013 | Fox News

Okay loons ... time to find a new strawman!!!

get with it

according to the white house

the current term is

climate disruption

global cooling -global warming -climate change has failed to stick

 

[PredFan]

The AGW faithful:

Your denier scientists are wrong.
Your denier data is wrong.
Your denier measurements are wrong.
Your lying eyes are wrong.
The only thing that is right are the facts and people who agree with our birds.
Got it?

 

[DriftingSand]

The AGW faithful:

Your denier scientists are wrong.
Your denier data is wrong.
Your denier measurements are wrong.
Your lying eyes are wrong.
The only thing that is right are the facts and people who agree with our birds.
Got it?

LOL. Love your signature line.

 

[Howey]

Wow. I just found out that the "global warming" loons are way off of the mark. The Arctic Sea increased sea ice by 60% in 2013. That's huge!!!

Arctic sea ice up 60 percent in 2013 | Fox News

Okay loons ... time to find a new strawman!!!

No. Your strawman was debunked yesterday. Loon.

Steven Goddard? You're using a blog by a nom de plume (that's a fake name since you're not all that bright) and one of the two or three climate change deniers out there as a source???

Really???

Really Sciency: Who Is Steven Goddard?


Watts Up With That's ignorance regarding Antarctic sea ice

While Arctic melts, Antarctic ice hits record. Is warming debunked? - CSMonitor.com

This is my favorite:

I don't see the DE part of DE-Bunked there SpongeBob. Which leaves Bunk. You don't debunk by attacking just one source of bad news, and you're confusing the Arctic with the Antarctic. And furthermore -- Your phoney ass thinikprogress knownothings are talking about a Goddard retraction in 2008.. What's the date today Howey? Which hemisphere are we on? Which way is up ??

How is it that the AUTHOR of the opening post's article, withdrawing his claim and stating that NSIDC was correct, can be so easily ignored by the lot of you?

Because they don't want to know. They're happy being ignorant.

Lemme 'splain this to both of you, because you're really not getting it..
WE are talking about what the ARCTIC ice is doing in 2013/14, Howey tossed a bunch of crap up there about the Antarctic (you do know that's different right) and a RETRACTION from a fucking thinkprogress (be still my heart) article from 2008...

A new Olympic record for retraction of a denier talking point
BY JOE ROMM ON AUGUST 25, 2008 AT 3:52 PM

.... and that one was Howie's "favorite"..

NONE of that shit sticks -- OK? Not even relevant to what the Polar ice is doing this year.
Have someone else help you out with the details.... I don't do ice. Because Sea Ice is a VERY non-linear indicator of temperature and
the ways that it is measured game the conclusions.. I prefer to look at all the other evidence..

Yes I saw the date and it's my favorite because Goddard pulls out this shtick every few years, gets debunked, and so on. Read my first likn:

The extent of Arctic sea ice at its summertime low point has dropped 40 percent in the past three decades. The idea that a tiny Antarctic ice expansion makes up for this — that heat is merely shifting from the the Southern Hemisphere to the Northern and therefore global warming must not be happening — is "just nonsense," Serreze said.

 

[mamooth]

Thick or thin ... it counters the prediction that there would be zero ice by 2013.

Except there was no such group or consensus prediction. Only denier cultists use the big lie that there was. That is, they find one guy who said it, then lie their asses off by proclaiming it was the consensus opinion. Extremely dishonest, yet it's a denier staple tactic, ethics not being their strong point. DriftingSand, did you deliberately use that dishonest tactic, or were you just doing that brainless parrot thing you do so well? If you deny being duped, that will only leave deliberate dishonesty as your motivation.

Now that your credibility is in the shitter over that, let's move on to the rest of what you screwed up. You suck at understanding the statistics of variation around a declining mean. People of at least average intelligence understand that you don't set a new record low every year. The new low happens every 5 years or so. In between, the ice area doesn't quite drop to the just-set record low, but the general trend is still down. It's very basic statistical concept, so deniers usually fail hard at it, being that people who understand statistics rarely become deniers.

On some level, you deniers have to understand how much you suck at the science, and that everyone is justifiably laughing at you. So why keep punishing yourselves? Do the warm fuzzy feeling you get from mouthing cult mantras make up for the life of humiliation that you've volunteered for?