Are conservatives smarter than liberals?

[toxicmedia]

most cons don't want to destroy America. Most libs do.

That's so entirely retarded.

I don't know any libs who want to destroy America.

Newsflash....There is one in the White House...

Funny how people say that about Obama, but I've never heard Obama say that.

Why would he.
See, the difference between you libs, who only pay attention to the things your side says. We conservatives reference what they DO.
Big difference. So let's see. An example of Obama SAYING he wants to "put America back to work".....What he does is Threaten to veto legislation to build Keystone XL....Promised with his stimulus "shovel ready jobs"....Oh that one frosted the cake. Some two years later Obama admitted there were no shovel ready jobs.
Care to change your bullshit story?

You're a huge reeetard

 

[toxicmedia]

Oh, so terms like 'moochers' is meant to be endearing...

I myself would never use that word.
People that can work for a living but take government assistance programs.
Why should they when the can get more in assistance than working in a low paying job?
Would most work at a job that pays 12,000.00 a year or get government assistance that pays 32,000.00 a year?

We found who the 47% Romney trashed really are...

America's safety net is below almost every other industrialized country in every measure. America more closely resembles the likes of Mexico than a modern First World industrialized nation.

We heard the ignorant rant of Mitt Romney and his 47%...

If there is a citizenry on this planet that does NOT have an entitlement mentality, it is the American people. American workers receive less benefits, paid leave, health care and take less vacation time than any other people. American workers take pride in the quality of their work and their work ethic.

What Romney said is a gross insult and reveals a dangerous mindset. He reeks of contempt for middle class working people and the poor.

Who are the 47%?

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Maybe you should look at the latest polls to find out about the work ethic in the US.

"Nearly four in 10 Americans, or 92 million, are not in the labor force and now there’s a reason why: They have simply given up and don’t want to work.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the largest group of people not in the labor force are those who don’t want a job, a remarkable statement on the nation’s work ethic. The federal job counter said that 85.9 million adults last month didn’t want a job, or 93 percent of all adults not in the labor force.

APew Research Center analysisout Friday dug a bit deeper to find out who those people are. Many are younger Americans who seem far less interested it landing a job than previous generations, possibly discouraged by the lack of good-paying jobs.

“Women are more likely than men to say they don’t want a job, although the gap has been narrowing — especially since the Great Recession. Last month, 28.5 percent of men said they didn’t want a job, up from 23.9 percent in October 2000 and 25.2 percent in October 2008. For women, the share saying they didn’t want a job hovered around 38 percent throughout the 2000s but began creeping up in 2010, reaching 40.2 percent last month,” said the Pew analysis."

Giving up 40 women 28 men 39 youth don t want a job WashingtonExaminer.com

People that have given up, and are not looking for work.....are what's called "retired", and shouldn't be counted.

If you've given up, you're either on disability, found a sugar daddy or sugar mama, or you've just decided to tighhten your belts and let someone sit on the couch all day, or take care of the kids.

Retired at 42 with no savings and no retirement plan. Oh yeah. You are making sense.

If you retire at 42 with no savings and no retirement your just useless, and retired.

What kind of 42 year old person has no skills?

 

[Bfgrn]

The Wisconsin Lie Exposed - Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions - Forbes

The title ALONE is a profound and otherwise obvious deceit...

Don't let any facts dent your dogma. Teachers are evil, polluters are Gods...keep chanting...

And this interesting FACT...you are defending government over individuals...

 

[Billo_Really]

Every day on this board we seem to have threads about 'how stupid are libs?', 'dimbocrats', 'typical liberal stupidity'....you know the drill.

The strange thing is, I don't see a lot of posts claiming the opposite. Some comments, sure, but I think most people will agree that there are far, far more posts labelling liberalism as being in some way stupid, a mental illness etc than there are posts about conservatism claiming the same superiority.

I don't get this at all - I see no link between political views and intelligence. I've met some brilliant socialists, a couple of brilliant fascists, and everything in between. I have met enough painfully stupid liberals and painfully stupid conservatives that I don't think either side are in too great a position to start claiming a monopoly on smarts.

Isn't claiming 'liberalism is a mental illness' the kind of Catch 22 comment that only an intellectual dwarf could assume?

Or is there a reason that some conservatives believe they are intellectually superior?

They claim they are intellectually superior, as they wage an ongoing war against education?

I think they watch too much TV.

 

[toxicmedia]

Oh, so terms like 'moochers' is meant to be endearing...

I myself would never use that word.
People that can work for a living but take government assistance programs.
Why should they when the can get more in assistance than working in a low paying job?
Would most work at a job that pays 12,000.00 a year or get government assistance that pays 32,000.00 a year?

We found who the 47% Romney trashed really are...

America's safety net is below almost every other industrialized country in every measure. America more closely resembles the likes of Mexico than a modern First World industrialized nation.

We heard the ignorant rant of Mitt Romney and his 47%...

If there is a citizenry on this planet that does NOT have an entitlement mentality, it is the American people. American workers receive less benefits, paid leave, health care and take less vacation time than any other people. American workers take pride in the quality of their work and their work ethic.

What Romney said is a gross insult and reveals a dangerous mindset. He reeks of contempt for middle class working people and the poor.

Who are the 47%?

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

"Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Maybe you should look at the latest polls to find out about the work ethic in the US.

"Nearly four in 10 Americans, or 92 million, are not in the labor force and now there’s a reason why: They have simply given up and don’t want to work.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the largest group of people not in the labor force are those who don’t want a job, a remarkable statement on the nation’s work ethic. The federal job counter said that 85.9 million adults last month didn’t want a job, or 93 percent of all adults not in the labor force.

APew Research Center analysisout Friday dug a bit deeper to find out who those people are. Many are younger Americans who seem far less interested it landing a job than previous generations, possibly discouraged by the lack of good-paying jobs.

“Women are more likely than men to say they don’t want a job, although the gap has been narrowing — especially since the Great Recession. Last month, 28.5 percent of men said they didn’t want a job, up from 23.9 percent in October 2000 and 25.2 percent in October 2008. For women, the share saying they didn’t want a job hovered around 38 percent throughout the 2000s but began creeping up in 2010, reaching 40.2 percent last month,” said the Pew analysis."

Giving up 40 women 28 men 39 youth don t want a job WashingtonExaminer.com

So? Some 86 million don't want to work. So what? As a percentage of the population, that's not much higher than before Obama became president. And given we're in the age of baby boomers hitting retirement age, where roughly three times as many seniors are retiring than before 2008, that's not exactly a surprise.

What data do you have that proves those who have left the workforce no longer wish to work?

What else could it be? The only reason you can't find work after looking for two years is because your skills and experience are not marketable...and I could see why you'd give up.

I feel sorry for companies who have to employ someone useless enough to be out of work for two years while trying to find work.

 

[toxicmedia]

There you go...forget the FACTS, anecdotal evidence is all you need to reinforce your dogma...

A vast amount of people in this country has the attitude of give me, give me, give and I want it and I want it now.
An entitlement mentality is a state of mind in which an individual comes to believe that privileges are instead rights.
Lack of personal responsibility. Just as those with an entitlement mentality typically expect others to solve their problems, they also refuse to accept that the problems are of their own making.
Just like the women at McDonalds.
They arrived late after the breakfast served under the hours of......... and expected to still be able to order from the breakfast menu. It was their own fault for not getting there on time.

AGAIN...double down on your anecdotal evidence that supports your dogma...you CAN'T be wrong...

"Entitlement mentality" is a manufactured term used by the people who have brainwashed you...

The term "entitlement" originally referred to aristocrats. Aristocrats had titles, and they thought that they were thereby entitled to various things, particularly the deference of the common people. Everyone else, by contrast, was dependent on the aristocrats. This is conservatism. Yet in the 1990's, conservative rhetors decided that the people who actually claim entitlement are people on welfare. They furthermore created an empirically false association between welfare and dependency. But, as I have mentioned, welfare is precisely a way of eliminating dependency on the aristocracy and the cultural authorities that serve it. I do not recall anyone ever noting this inversion of meaning.

Oh Brother !
Talk about brainwashed

I see your indoctrination is complete. Even the icon of the right, F.A Hayek would dismiss today's social Darwinist conservatives.

"There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, (the certainty of a given minimum of sustenance) should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision."
I agree with this 100%.
The problem we have is our system of social safety nets has mushroomed into a multi trillion dollar hodgepodge of programs for every conceivable condition, syndrome, possibility etc. The fact that almost HALF the US population receives at least some form of public assistance should shame anyone who supports this system of making poverty comfortable into having to hide their face in public.
But no...You people insist it is never enough. Tax more. Tax at a higher rate you say.
None of which is going to m ake anyone less poor or raise them out of poverty.
What these taxpayer funded giveaways accomplish is twofold. One, it creates more opportunity to grow the size of government
Two, provides an endlessly growing source of votes for those who use their positions of power to make sure the goodies are always there.
Social giveaways ( entitlements) have always been about acquiring and retention of political power for democrats.

You've got bat shit crazy misconceptions about liberals. You must not ever talk to any, instead you just babble on about what you've heard about liberals from righty pundits

 

[Kosh]

most cons don't want to destroy America. Most libs do.

That's so entirely retarded.

I don't know any libs who want to destroy America.

Newsflash....There is one in the White House...

Funny how people say that about Obama, but I've never heard Obama say that.

Why would he.
See, the difference between you libs, who only pay attention to the things your side says. We conservatives reference what they DO.
Big difference. So let's see. An example of Obama SAYING he wants to "put America back to work".....What he does is Threaten to veto legislation to build Keystone XL....Promised with his stimulus "shovel ready jobs"....Oh that one frosted the cake. Some two years later Obama admitted there were no shovel ready jobs.
Care to change your bullshit story?

You're a huge reeetard

Funny words from a far left drone..

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Again, EPIC fail. God does not interfere with the free will of man. He only has the final say. NO human rights are possible without government enforcing those rights. NONE, without government, got it?

Well, sound reasoning never requires validation, but it is always nice when validation comes along.

The above contribution, to which I am responding here, is a CLASSIC demonstration of why There are NO LEFTIST AMERICANS.

Nature precludes the means of one to adhere to the antithesis, which claiming adherence to the thesis. Simply can't be done.

You are exhibiting ZERO reasoning. Nature has nothing to do with human rights, and neither does God. How did God do protecting human rights in Nazi Germany? How is He doing in Iraq and Syria now??

God gives us natural rights. It is up to the individual to protect those rights as he sees fit.
And to turn your question around.....Where was the German government when the rights of the Jews were under threat?
You make an argument then cannot support it.

LOL!

OOOps!

(Ya NAILED IT Spoon!)

Actually you just unwittingly nailed yourself...without government to enforce human rights (Germany), the Jews only hope was to flee their country.

Interesting that your philosophy is perfectly aligned with some very famous people...

Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao et al: The Role of Darwinian Evolution in Their Lives


The Social Weapon: Darwinism

Actually The Jews only hope was to work harder to educate themselves and their neighbors as to the foolishness intrinsic in tolerating socialism, in ALL of its numerous facets, so as to avoid allowing the Left to acquire power.

In our own times, we are witnessing the same thing as they witnessed in the early 30s... Fast and Furious, Benghazi, IRS are all profound abuses of power; all of which are reasonably expected, as such are spawned by the same relativism... just as the recent attempt by the Militant Homo-Lobby to use police powers to force people to accept their perverse reasoning is a demonstration of the same dam thing.

It's just evil... that all it is. Unadulterated evil... doing what one should expect from evil, producing in what it always produces: Chaos, Calamity and Catastrophe.

Unlike the Jews of the 30s however; we, the Americans are armed to the teeth... plus we know what our rights are, from where they come and enjoy the supreme authority which provides that our DUTY is to stop you idiots from usurping our means to exercise our rights.

So, well... you know.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

A vast amount of people in this country has the attitude of give me, give me, give and I want it and I want it now.
An entitlement mentality is a state of mind in which an individual comes to believe that privileges are instead rights.
Lack of personal responsibility. Just as those with an entitlement mentality typically expect others to solve their problems, they also refuse to accept that the problems are of their own making.
Just like the women at McDonalds.
They arrived late after the breakfast served under the hours of......... and expected to still be able to order from the breakfast menu. It was their own fault for not getting there on time.

AGAIN...double down on your anecdotal evidence that supports your dogma...you CAN'T be wrong...

"Entitlement mentality" is a manufactured term used by the people who have brainwashed you...

The term "entitlement" originally referred to aristocrats. Aristocrats had titles, and they thought that they were thereby entitled to various things, particularly the deference of the common people. Everyone else, by contrast, was dependent on the aristocrats. This is conservatism. Yet in the 1990's, conservative rhetors decided that the people who actually claim entitlement are people on welfare. They furthermore created an empirically false association between welfare and dependency. But, as I have mentioned, welfare is precisely a way of eliminating dependency on the aristocracy and the cultural authorities that serve it. I do not recall anyone ever noting this inversion of meaning.

Oh Brother !
Talk about brainwashed

I see your indoctrination is complete. Even the icon of the right, F.A Hayek would dismiss today's social Darwinist conservatives.

"There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, (the certainty of a given minimum of sustenance) should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision."
I agree with this 100%.
The problem we have is our system of social safety nets has mushroomed into a multi trillion dollar hodgepodge of programs for every conceivable condition, syndrome, possibility etc. The fact that almost HALF the US population receives at least some form of public assistance should shame anyone who supports this system of making poverty comfortable into having to hide their face in public.
But no...You people insist it is never enough. Tax more. Tax at a higher rate you say.
None of which is going to m ake anyone less poor or raise them out of poverty.
What these taxpayer funded giveaways accomplish is twofold. One, it creates more opportunity to grow the size of government
Two, provides an endlessly growing source of votes for those who use their positions of power to make sure the goodies are always there.
Social giveaways ( entitlements) have always been about acquiring and retention of political power for democrats.

You've got bat shit crazy misconceptions about liberals. You must not ever talk to any, instead you just babble on about what you've heard about liberals from righty pundits

So these Leftists on this site; you're saying, that you people aren't fairly representing what you are: HERE?

Really?

And why would that be the case do ya think?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The Wisconsin Lie Exposed - Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions - Forbes

The title ALONE is a profound and otherwise obvious deceit...

Don't let any facts dent your dogma. Teachers are evil, polluters are Gods...keep chanting...

And this interesting FACT...you are defending government over individuals...

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Every day on this board we seem to have threads about 'how stupid are libs?', 'dimbocrats', 'typical liberal stupidity'....you know the drill.

The strange thing is, I don't see a lot of posts claiming the opposite. Some comments, sure, but I think most people will agree that there are far, far more posts labelling liberalism as being in some way stupid, a mental illness etc than there are posts about conservatism claiming the same superiority.

I don't get this at all - I see no link between political views and intelligence. I've met some brilliant socialists, a couple of brilliant fascists, and everything in between. I have met enough painfully stupid liberals and painfully stupid conservatives that I don't think either side are in too great a position to start claiming a monopoly on smarts.

Isn't claiming 'liberalism is a mental illness' the kind of Catch 22 comment that only an intellectual dwarf could assume?

Or is there a reason that some conservatives believe they are intellectually superior?

They claim they are intellectually superior, as they wage an ongoing war against education?

I think they watch too much TV.

Indoctrination... We're waging war in Communist Indoctrination, which you fraudulently label as 'education'.

It probably seems like an irrelevant point, but that's what one should reasonably expect of the Intellectually Less Fortunate.

 

[Kosh]

The Wisconsin Lie Exposed - Taxpayers Actually Contribute Nothing To Public Employee Pensions - Forbes

The title ALONE is a profound and otherwise obvious deceit...

Don't let any facts dent your dogma. Teachers are evil, polluters are Gods...keep chanting...

And this interesting FACT...you are defending government over individuals...

All promoted by the far left... Amazing!

Not really!

 

[ninja007]

who has harmed/who wants to harm the US from within more? Obama and the left or the right? Only one correct answer.

 

[ninja007]

most cons don't want to destroy America. Most libs do.

That's so entirely retarded.

I don't know any libs who want to destroy America.

Obama, for one. Fundamentally transform America- not for the better!

 

[Kosh]

Here is something that will make the far left program go nuts:

Liberal conservatism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[ninja007]

When liberals have to LIE to trick their own base into supporting their policies, well there you have it.

Post the lies!

TOO MANY to list....

 

[Saigon]

There's no point of a Leftist making promises... as there's no potential for credibility behind the assertion.

Another poster proves the point of the thread. Really...what adult would say anything like that?

 

[Saigon]

Kosh -

Again, can you please learn the meaning of words before you post them?

Many of your comments simply make no sense at all because you are using the wrong words.

 

[Saigon]

Indoctrination... We're waging war in Communist Indoctrination, which you fraudulently label as 'education'.

Anyone with an education would know that there is no communism in America to speak of.

As with Kosh - please try to learn what words mean before you use them. I don't think it is too much to ask that someone posting about education at least pretend to have one.

 

[ninja007]

Nope. "A Liberal amount of thinking" is better than a Conservative amount of thinking.

We all know which party AntiParty supports.

antiparty is anti conservative. I can see right through him,I'd guess 95% of third party people are anti- conservative. You vote third party you give your vote to the libs..just like most third party wannabees.