Are conservatives smarter than liberals?

[BluesLegend]

When liberals have to LIE to trick their own base into supporting their policies, well there you have it.

Post the lies!

Ahahaha denial ^^^

No, it was a challenge. If you're going to post an allegation, you need to post probative evidence. Your response suggests you are a troll; be very careful, the society of trolls has standards, low, but higher than the tripe you've posted.

Tell me, how many times do I have to post the lefts LIES 100,000 times? I post them with regularity. If you like your plan and doctor you can keep your plan and doctor, period, does that ring a freaking bell? HELLO earth to libs. It amazes me how you libs have the stones to even ask after 6 years of the Obama administration.

 

[toxicmedia]

AGAIN...double down on your anecdotal evidence that supports your dogma...you CAN'T be wrong...

"Entitlement mentality" is a manufactured term used by the people who have brainwashed you...

The term "entitlement" originally referred to aristocrats. Aristocrats had titles, and they thought that they were thereby entitled to various things, particularly the deference of the common people. Everyone else, by contrast, was dependent on the aristocrats. This is conservatism. Yet in the 1990's, conservative rhetors decided that the people who actually claim entitlement are people on welfare. They furthermore created an empirically false association between welfare and dependency. But, as I have mentioned, welfare is precisely a way of eliminating dependency on the aristocracy and the cultural authorities that serve it. I do not recall anyone ever noting this inversion of meaning.

Oh Brother !
Talk about brainwashed

I see your indoctrination is complete. Even the icon of the right, F.A Hayek would dismiss today's social Darwinist conservatives.

"There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, (the certainty of a given minimum of sustenance) should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision."
I agree with this 100%.
The problem we have is our system of social safety nets has mushroomed into a multi trillion dollar hodgepodge of programs for every conceivable condition, syndrome, possibility etc. The fact that almost HALF the US population receives at least some form of public assistance should shame anyone who supports this system of making poverty comfortable into having to hide their face in public.
But no...You people insist it is never enough. Tax more. Tax at a higher rate you say.
None of which is going to m ake anyone less poor or raise them out of poverty.
What these taxpayer funded giveaways accomplish is twofold. One, it creates more opportunity to grow the size of government
Two, provides an endlessly growing source of votes for those who use their positions of power to make sure the goodies are always there.
Social giveaways ( entitlements) have always been about acquiring and retention of political power for democrats.

You've got bat shit crazy misconceptions about liberals. You must not ever talk to any, instead you just babble on about what you've heard about liberals from righty pundits

So these Leftists on this site; you're saying, that you people aren't fairly representing what you are: HERE?

Really?

And why would that be the case do ya think?

None of the liberals on this site support a multi trillion dollar hodgepodge of programs for every conceivable condition, syndrome, possibility etc. or making poverty comfortable into having to hide their faces in public.

I also don't hear them say tax more and tax at a higher rate so nobody gets out of poverty.

I don't hear them wanting to grow the size of government, and increase social giveaways, medicare and social security excepted.

These are things you're told liberals are saying, and they're not saying those things.

Just like Obama has not said he wants to destroy America.

 

[candycorn]

Every day on this board we seem to have threads about 'how stupid are libs?', 'dimbocrats', 'typical liberal stupidity'....you know the drill.

The strange thing is, I don't see a lot of posts claiming the opposite. Some comments, sure, but I think most people will agree that there are far, far more posts labelling liberalism as being in some way stupid, a mental illness etc than there are posts about conservatism claiming the same superiority.

I don't get this at all - I see no link between political views and intelligence. I've met some brilliant socialists, a couple of brilliant fascists, and everything in between. I have met enough painfully stupid liberals and painfully stupid conservatives that I don't think either side are in too great a position to start claiming a monopoly on smarts.

Isn't claiming 'liberalism is a mental illness' the kind of Catch 22 comment that only an intellectual dwarf could assume?

Or is there a reason that some conservatives believe they are intellectually superior?

When presented with facts in 2012, Conservatives (up to and including the former Deputy COS of the White House and the 2012 Republican nominee for President) came up with unskewedpolls.com. It served one purpose..to make the GOP leadership and their followers (many of whom are reading these words) believe they had a shot.

Proof enough to answer the OP as "no".

 

[toxicmedia]

most cons don't want to destroy America. Most libs do.

That's so entirely retarded.

I don't know any libs who want to destroy America.

Obama, for one. Fundamentally transform America- not for the better!

He's never said he wants America to be less in any way. You're listening to people who are trying to tell you what he secretly thinks.

 

[BluesLegend]

There's no point of a Leftist making promises... as there's no potential for credibility behind the assertion.

Another poster proves the point of the thread. Really...what adult would say anything like that?

The left lies repeatedly to the point that they cannot be trusted and trust is everything. Compromise, finding common ground, working together, you can forget it. Take gun control, the left has no intention of stopping after reaching a compromise. The left being dishonest liars fully intend to keep coming back whittling away at our rights until they get 100% of what they want. Therefore the left can just pound sand, we don't want to compromise with you we want to destroy you.

 

[PredFan]

In general yes, Conservatives are smarter than liberals. Of course both sides have their dummies.

 

[peach174]

Oh Brother !
Talk about brainwashed

I see your indoctrination is complete. Even the icon of the right, F.A Hayek would dismiss today's social Darwinist conservatives.

"There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, (the certainty of a given minimum of sustenance) should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision."
I agree with this 100%.
The problem we have is our system of social safety nets has mushroomed into a multi trillion dollar hodgepodge of programs for every conceivable condition, syndrome, possibility etc. The fact that almost HALF the US population receives at least some form of public assistance should shame anyone who supports this system of making poverty comfortable into having to hide their face in public.
But no...You people insist it is never enough. Tax more. Tax at a higher rate you say.
None of which is going to m ake anyone less poor or raise them out of poverty.
What these taxpayer funded giveaways accomplish is twofold. One, it creates more opportunity to grow the size of government
Two, provides an endlessly growing source of votes for those who use their positions of power to make sure the goodies are always there.
Social giveaways ( entitlements) have always been about acquiring and retention of political power for democrats.

You've got bat shit crazy misconceptions about liberals. You must not ever talk to any, instead you just babble on about what you've heard about liberals from righty pundits

So these Leftists on this site; you're saying, that you people aren't fairly representing what you are: HERE?

Really?

And why would that be the case do ya think?

None of the liberals on this site support a multi trillion dollar hodgepodge of programs for every conceivable condition, syndrome, possibility etc. or making poverty comfortable into having to hide their faces in public.

I also don't hear them say tax more and tax at a higher rate so nobody gets out of poverty.

I don't hear them wanting to grow the size of government, and increase social giveaways, medicare and social security excepted.

These are things you're told liberals are saying, and they're not saying those things.

Just like Obama has not said he wants to destroy America.

Most of them are for the New Health Care Act which is another big government program or they want universal health care. It is still bigger government for either one of them.

I also agree that President Obama does not want to destroy America.
He does think that America should not be a superpower and needs to be brought down from that status.
I also think that many Cons support the idea of other countries helping to pay for the wars that they are involved in.

 

[occupied]

Any large enough segment of the population will have the same mathematical distribution of IQ scores represented by a bell curve so intelligence is not actually what makes or breaks a political ideology, it is foresight and adaptability that make the difference.

 

[Wry Catcher]

When liberals have to LIE to trick their own base into supporting their policies, well there you have it.

Post the lies!

Ahahaha denial ^^^

No, it was a challenge. If you're going to post an allegation, you need to post probative evidence. Your response suggests you are a troll; be very careful, the society of trolls has standards, low, but higher than the tripe you've posted.

Tell me, how many times do I have to post the lefts LIES 100,000 times? I post them with regularity. If you like your plan and doctor you can keep your plan and doctor, period, does that ring a freaking bell? HELLO earth to libs. It amazes me how you libs have the stones to even ask after 6 years of the Obama administration.

You're a parrot and proof that conservatives like you are dumb. Today one more American has been murdered by Islamic Criminals. It should be obvious to all that the United States while under Neo Conservative (so called) leadership invaded and occupied Iraq, leading to and helping to increase terrorism. Lies by GWB, Cheney and those who signed the Project for a New American Century wanted to take out Saddam in 1997 and finally did so after putting 4,500 young Americans and countless others in early graves.

Today we have the GOP, mostly conservative, planning to further divide our nation by threats to work against reform of immigration into our country. By playing partisan games, these party first jerks are roadblocking efforts to keep Americans safe and giving aid to terrorists by demonstrating now that bigots and racists have greater power in our country.

 

[peach174]

most cons don't want to destroy America. Most libs do.

That's so entirely retarded.

I don't know any libs who want to destroy America.

Obama, for one. Fundamentally transform America- not for the better!

He's never said he wants America to be less in any way. You're listening to people who are trying to tell you what he secretly thinks.

We don't need to listen to them.
His very policies is showing us that he is doing just that.

 

[Saigon]

Any large enough segment of the population will have the same mathematical distribution of IQ scores represented by a bell curve so intelligence is not actually what makes or breaks a political ideology, it is foresight and adaptability that make the difference.

Exactly, and well said.

 

[1776]

You being a stupid fuck knuckle-dragging moron....believing your own thoughts mean anything, is hilarious.

Every day on this board we seem to have threads about 'how stupid are libs?', 'dimbocrats', 'typical liberal stupidity'....you know the drill.

The strange thing is, I don't see a lot of posts claiming the opposite. Some comments, sure, but I think most people will agree that there are far, far more posts labelling liberalism as being in some way stupid, a mental illness etc than there are posts about conservatism claiming the same superiority.

I don't get this at all - I see no link between political views and intelligence. I've met some brilliant socialists, a couple of brilliant fascists, and everything in between. I have met enough painfully stupid liberals and painfully stupid conservatives that I don't think either side are in too great a position to start claiming a monopoly on smarts.

Isn't claiming 'liberalism is a mental illness' the kind of Catch 22 comment that only an intellectual dwarf could assume?

Or is there a reason that some conservatives believe they are intellectually superior?

 

[peach174]

When liberals have to LIE to trick their own base into supporting their policies, well there you have it.

Post the lies!

Ahahaha denial ^^^

No, it was a challenge. If you're going to post an allegation, you need to post probative evidence. Your response suggests you are a troll; be very careful, the society of trolls has standards, low, but higher than the tripe you've posted.

Tell me, how many times do I have to post the lefts LIES 100,000 times? I post them with regularity. If you like your plan and doctor you can keep your plan and doctor, period, does that ring a freaking bell? HELLO earth to libs. It amazes me how you libs have the stones to even ask after 6 years of the Obama administration.

You're a parrot and proof that conservatives like you are dumb. Today one more American has been murdered by Islamic Criminals. It should be obvious to all that the United States while under Neo Conservative (so called) leadership invaded and occupied Iraq, leading to and helping to increase terrorism. Lies by GWB, Cheney and those who signed the Project for a New American Century wanted to take out Saddam in 1997 and finally did so after putting 4,500 young Americans and countless others in early graves.

Today we have the GOP, mostly conservative, planning to further divide our nation by threats to work against reform of immigration into our country. By playing partisan games, these party first jerks are roadblocking efforts to keep Americans safe and giving aid to terrorists by demonstrating now that bigots and racists have greater power in our country.

You are doing the same type of parroting by saying we invaded and occupied Iraq and lead to increasing terrorism.Those are lefty talking points.
It was no secret that they wanted to take out Saddam in the 90's and we now have proof that there was chemical weapons.

What part of securing the boarder first and then getting immigration reform are you ignoring?

 

[PostmodernProph]

is this the "ask a rhetorical question" forum?......

 

[Bfgrn]

Hey meat, was that the question? Who is Gruber?

I guess Jon Stewart did not talk about Gruber. You've got to admit it's a bit staggering that someone so opinionated can be so uniformed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/u...n-gruber-ignites-fury-with-a-word-stupid.html

Did you actually READ the article you posted?

Didn't think so...

Which part? The one that says Gruber said Obamacare was passed because of the stupidity of American voters?

First question...are you interested in the truth, or just interested in bashing Obama and Democrats? What Gruber is telling us is not that the bill was written to deceive the public. It was crafted so the CBO didn't score the mandate as a tax...

"If C.B.O. scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies.” - Jonathan Gruber

Here is some more "truth" that might not be of any interest if the truth is irrelevant to your objectives...

The Jonathan Gruber Controversy and Washington’s Dirty Little Secret

The Court also ruled that the mandate was unconstitutional and made it a tax or the bill would have died right there in the Supreme Court.
That is deceit and in and of it's self violates the Constitution.

Your link with the supposed theory of iphones is also a violation of the Constitution.
If the government forced everyone to have a iphone with the two theories on how to pay for it , it takes away the freedom of the people who wants the free market to lower the cost of the iphones so that everyone including the poor can afford to get one, rather than the Government forcing it.
Government forcing any program is not freedom and both sides do it.
It does not matter whether it is the right on abortion or the left on a theory of iphones or actual programs like health care
What is sad here is the New York Times theory on iphones,but at the same time called it out for what it is for both parties.
This kind of gamesmanship is very much a bipartisan affair
Gamesmanship? It is outright political deceit done by both parties.
These issues should be for the individual States and not the Federal Government.

Many on the left also think that people on the right wants to get rid of the safety nets which is not true.
Cons want to reform them so that they work more efficiently and have them scaled down so that they are manageable and can be more controlled by the States for fraud and abuse.

Then you are among the minority on the right...do you ever read what your fellow righties post here?

Work more efficiently? Like Medicare Plus and Medicare Part D, which are corporate welfare programs to bilk the elderly and taxpayers to line the pockets of cartels?

 

[1776]

Liberals fall into these categories.....stupid, lazy, insane and evil.

I would say only the evil and maybe some lazy ones show some intelligence. The evil ones are the ones that end up in DC running the other liberals from their elitist goobermint jobs.

You know they go to conferences and laugh about how they duped the "stupid American people." Laugh about how they funded Romneycare in MA by stealing $400M a year from the Feds' funds.

Most liberals as seen on these kind of boards fall into the stupid and insane categories.

Obama I would say is evil with a bit of stupid, lazy and insane in him too, but evil overrides them all.

 

[Wry Catcher]

There's no point of a Leftist making promises... as there's no potential for credibility behind the assertion.

Another poster proves the point of the thread. Really...what adult would say anything like that?

The left lies repeatedly to the point that they cannot be trusted and trust is everything. Compromise, finding common ground, working together, you can forget it. Take gun control, the left has no intention of stopping after reaching a compromise. The left being dishonest liars fully intend to keep coming back whittling away at our rights until they get 100% of what they want. Therefore the left can just pound sand, we don't want to compromise with you we want to destroy you.

This may be a record. BluesLegend (BL) has came aboard only a bit more than a month ago and already proved himself(?) a proud and loud member of the Crazy New Right and the Echo Chamber.

This will be fun. Soon Rabbit, CrusaderFrank, Stephanie and the other Crazy New Right members will friend him and soon he will even begin to believe he has something of substance to post. Be prepared for the release of Dumb and Dumber III.

 

[Billo_Really]

Liberals fall into these categories.....stupid, lazy, insane and evil.

I would say only the evil and maybe some lazy ones show some intelligence. The evil ones are the ones that end up in DC running the other liberals from their elitist goobermint jobs.

You know they go to conferences and laugh about how they duped the "stupid American people." Laugh about how they funded Romneycare in MA by stealing $400M a year from the Feds' funds.

Most liberals as seen on these kind of boards fall into the stupid and insane categories.

Obama I would say is evil with a bit of stupid, lazy and insane in him too, but evil overrides them all.

How can anyone take seriously people that talk like they're still in middle school?

"...goobermint jobs"

I bet you still watch cartoons?

 

[1776]

Shitstain...it's a play on words, above your inbred brain.

GOOBER being the key word, goober.

Liberals fall into these categories.....stupid, lazy, insane and evil.

I would say only the evil and maybe some lazy ones show some intelligence. The evil ones are the ones that end up in DC running the other liberals from their elitist goobermint jobs.

You know they go to conferences and laugh about how they duped the "stupid American people." Laugh about how they funded Romneycare in MA by stealing $400M a year from the Feds' funds.

Most liberals as seen on these kind of boards fall into the stupid and insane categories.

Obama I would say is evil with a bit of stupid, lazy and insane in him too, but evil overrides them all.

How can anyone take seriously people that talk like they're still in middle school?

"...goobermint jobs"

I bet you still watch cartoons?

 

[peach174]

I guess Jon Stewart did not talk about Gruber. You've got to admit it's a bit staggering that someone so opinionated can be so uniformed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/u...n-gruber-ignites-fury-with-a-word-stupid.html

Did you actually READ the article you posted?

Didn't think so...

Which part? The one that says Gruber said Obamacare was passed because of the stupidity of American voters?

First question...are you interested in the truth, or just interested in bashing Obama and Democrats? What Gruber is telling us is not that the bill was written to deceive the public. It was crafted so the CBO didn't score the mandate as a tax...

"If C.B.O. scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies.” - Jonathan Gruber

Here is some more "truth" that might not be of any interest if the truth is irrelevant to your objectives...

The Jonathan Gruber Controversy and Washington’s Dirty Little Secret

The Court also ruled that the mandate was unconstitutional and made it a tax or the bill would have died right there in the Supreme Court.
That is deceit and in and of it's self violates the Constitution.

Your link with the supposed theory of iphones is also a violation of the Constitution.
If the government forced everyone to have a iphone with the two theories on how to pay for it , it takes away the freedom of the people who wants the free market to lower the cost of the iphones so that everyone including the poor can afford to get one, rather than the Government forcing it.
Government forcing any program is not freedom and both sides do it.
It does not matter whether it is the right on abortion or the left on a theory of iphones or actual programs like health care
What is sad here is the New York Times theory on iphones,but at the same time called it out for what it is for both parties.
This kind of gamesmanship is very much a bipartisan affair
Gamesmanship? It is outright political deceit done by both parties.
These issues should be for the individual States and not the Federal Government.

Many on the left also think that people on the right wants to get rid of the safety nets which is not true.
Cons want to reform them so that they work more efficiently and have them scaled down so that they are manageable and can be more controlled by the States for fraud and abuse.

Then you are among the minority on the right...do you ever read what your fellow righties post here?

Work more efficiently? Like Medicare Plus and Medicare Part D, which are corporate welfare programs to bilk the elderly and taxpayers to line the pockets of cartels?

Polls say other wise.
Section 4 Values About Government and the Social Safety Net Pew Research Center for the People and the Press#