Zone1 Are Trinitarians and LDS Polytheists?

[Cougarbear]

Polytheists believe and worship in multiple distinct gods each with their own independent existence, powers and domain. They pray to one god to help his crops grow and to another god to protect him from war and another god to have babies and to another god to be healed and so on...

Trinitarians should pray to only the one true God, our Heavenly Father in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ FOR ALL THINGS as taught by Jesus Christ. Matt 6:9. LDS (Mormons) Pray to the Father (the one true God) in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ. Now, I have heard on occasions Trinitarian Christians pray to Jesus Christ as well. LDS (Mormons) never pray to Jesus Christ. They 100% pray to the Father whom they call Elohim.

Does Jesus Christ possess all the characteristics and attributes of the Father? YES John 1:1. However, Jesus exists independently of Heavenly Father. Acts 7:55-56 ; Matt 3:16-17. But, His power and authority and domain was given Jesus from His Father. Matt 28:18 ; John 5:19 ; John 17:2. And they are one in those things. John 10:30 ; John 17:22.

We are monotheists (Trinitarians and LDS). The only thing we have with polytheists is that we believe Heavenly Father and his Son, Jesus Christ are separate beings. Other than that, we have literally nothing in common with polytheists. So again, we believe God the Father and His Son are separate beings, But they are one in just about every other way imaginable.

Would you agree or disagree with any part of this?

 

[Trickster]

LDS is monotheistic, but polygamous.

 

[Cougarbear]

LDS is monotheistic, but polygamous.

Wrong again on the second one. The Church ended the ordinance of polygamy marriages in 1890. That's 135 years ago. Seems like you could catch up with reality.

 

[ding]

Polytheists believe and worship in multiple distinct gods each with their own independent existence, powers and domain. They pray to one god to help his crops grow and to another god to protect him from war and another god to have babies and to another god to be healed and so on...

Trinitarians should pray to only the one true God, our Heavenly Father in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ FOR ALL THINGS as taught by Jesus Christ. Matt 6:9. LDS (Mormons) Pray to the Father (the one true God) in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ. Now, I have heard on occasions Trinitarian Christians pray to Jesus Christ as well. LDS (Mormons) never pray to Jesus Christ. They 100% pray to the Father whom they call Elohim.

Does Jesus Christ possess all the characteristics and attributes of the Father? YES John 1:1. However, Jesus exists independently of Heavenly Father. Acts 7:55-56 ; Matt 3:16-17. But, His power and authority and domain was given Jesus from His Father. Matt 28:18 ; John 5:19 ; John 17:2. And they are one in those things. John 10:30 ; John 17:22.

We are monotheists (Trinitarians and LDS). The only thing we have with polytheists is that we believe Heavenly Father and his Son, Jesus Christ are separate beings. Other than that, we have literally nothing in common with polytheists. So again, we believe God the Father and His Son are separate beings, But they are one in just about every other way imaginable.

Would you agree or disagree with any part of this?

If you believe that men can become gods (i.e. a core belief of the LDS), yes. That makes you a polytheist.

 

[Trickster]

Wrong again on the second one. The Church ended the ordinance of polygamy marriages in 1890. That's 135 years ago. Seems like you could catch up with reality.

I know that you often like to say this, but it simply is not true. The church only ended it because of legal issues and pressure from the Union.

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young both had many wives.

 

[ding]

I know that you often like to say thos, but it simply is not true. The church only ended it because of legal issues and pressure from the Union.

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young both had many wives.

Do you think what they did was unfair? Because it seems like you are making another moral argument.

 

[Trickster]

Do you think what they did was unfair? Because it seems like you are making another moral argument.

I think polygamy is very weird and have my opinions about why the Church of LDS originally permitted it, but I would not call it "unfair". That is a strange framing... Although one could argue it is unfair women could not have multiple Brother Husbands.

 

[ding]

I think polygamy is very weird and have my opinions about why the Church of LDS originally permitted it, but I would not call it "unfair". That is a strange framing... Although one could argue it is unfaircwomen could not have multiple Brother Husbands.

So it wasn't unfair to women who couldn't have multiple husbands?

 

[Trickster]

So it wasn't unfair to women who couldn't have multiple husbands?

Please, respect the topic of OP's thread.

 

[Trickster]

If you believe that men can become gods (i.e. a core belief of the LDS), yes. That makes you a polytheist.

Mormons worship only one God. They are definitely monotheists.

 

[ding]

Please, respect the topic of OP's thread.

You were the one who took the discussion off the rails, dear.

 

[ding]

Mormons worship only one God. They are definitely monotheists.

They believe they can become gods. That makes them polytheists. If you still can't figure out how that makes them polytheists, I can't help you.

 

[Trickster]

You were the one who took the discussion off the rails, dear.

I acrually did not.

I only semi-jokingly brought up polygamy because it was funny in the context of asking whether Mormons are polytheists or not -- "Polytheists, no. Polygamists, yes."

 

[onefour1]

As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we do believe that multiple gods do exist. However, we believe that for we who are on this earth, we are to only worship our creator God. Our God consists of three separate and distinct beings who are one in purpose and glory. These three are God our Eternal Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ our Beloved Savior and Redeemer, and the Glorious Holy Ghost. These three form a quorum which constitutes the one true God.

Because we are all the literal offspring of God and were born of him as spirit children, we believe that we are all gods.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Obviously, according to John 10:34, Jesus looked upon all of us as gods. But we were not to worship any other but the one true creator God, ie the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

 

[Trickster]

As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we do believe that multiple gods do exist. However, we believe that for we who are on this earth, we are to only worship our creator God. Our God consists of three separate and distinct beings who are one in purpose and glory. These three are God our Eternal Father in Heaven, Jesus Christ our Beloved Savior and Redeemer, and the Glorious Holy Ghost. These three form a quorum which constitutes the one true God.

Because we are all the literal offspring of God and were born of him as spirit children, we believe that we are all gods.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

John 10:31-36
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Obviously, according to John 10:34, Jesus looked upon all of us as gods. But we were not to worship any other but the one true God, ie the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

Very good and thorough answer.

 

[ding]

Very good and thorough answer.

And it makes them polytheists.

 

[onefour1]

And it makes them polytheists.

Not anymore than Jesus Christ himself.

John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

 

[onefour1]

They believe they can become gods. That makes them polytheists. If you still can't figure out how that makes them polytheists, I can't help you.

Jesus believed that we were already gods.

John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

 

[ding]

Not anymore than Jesus Christ himself.

John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

You take that out of context.

 

[ding]

Jesus believed that we were already gods.

John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

You take that out of context.