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But, according to your post, that's exactly what you're worried about - that the wrong authoritarians will take control and teach things you disagree with. The only way to protect ourselves from this is to keep government out of the business of 'shaping' society in the first place.
No, the proper thing is to scrutinize the schools, their teachers, and course contents, and keep them clean to what we deem proper (ex. No Muslim jihadist propaganda, no homo propaganda, etc) You seem to miss the point that govt is us. And it is we who should shape our society.
No, it's not. It's an institution that, at best, represents the interests of the majority , at worst, organized special interests that want to control us. In neither case is government the equivalent of all the people, and it's certainly not the same thing as society.
The founders had it right on this. Government should be the servant of society, not its master.
All you are doing is describing what happens to govt when we the people neglect to manage it properly. Well sure. Nothing is good if/whenever it's mismanaged. The correct thing is to strive to rise to the TOP of the ideal of govt, not succumb to the BOTTOM of its symptoms of corruption and neglect.
The correct thing to do is what the founders intended; limit government constitutionally so that neither the majority nor special interests can use it to force their will on society capriciously.
Fine. But that doesn't mean to not have a legislature, and not make new laws according to the will of the majority of the people. In fact the founders in their Constitution did just that. Providing for 3 branches of govt, one of which is the legislature, and 2 of which are created by "the majority".
It does? Where?
According to the SCOTUS, the 14th Amendment.
The purity of public morals, the moral and physical development of both races .require that they should be kept distinct and separate that connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them, should be prohibited by positive law, and be subject to no evasion.
Ahh, yes. The familiar leftist song: "The Constitution says it because we got a bunch of judges to say it does. Who needs to cite the actual words of the Constitution, when we can just cite someone's opinion of what the Constitution should be?"
Here's a hint: Any time someone asks you what the Constitution says, and your answer includes the words "The Supreme Court", you've just lost.
The correct thing to do is what the founders intended; limit government constitutionally so that neither the majority nor special interests can use it to force their will on society capriciously.
Fine. But that doesn't mean to not have a legislature, and not make new laws according to the will of the majority of the people. In fact the founders in their Constitution did just that. Providing for 3 branches of govt, one of which is the legislature, and 2 of which are created by "the majority".
"make new laws according to the will of the majority of the people"
Scary shit there my man.
The majority of the people are DUMB ASSES.
The Constitution forbids that. The will of the majority of the people is not what this country was founded on.
No, the proper thing is to scrutinize the schools, their teachers, and course contents, and keep them clean to what we deem proper (ex. No Muslim jihadist propaganda, no homo propaganda, etc) You seem to miss the point that govt is us. And it is we who should shape our society.
No, it's not. It's an institution that, at best, represents the interests of the majority , at worst, organized special interests that want to control us. In neither case is government the equivalent of all the people, and it's certainly not the same thing as society.
The founders had it right on this. Government should be the servant of society, not its master.
Nonsense.
The government and the people are one in the same.
Its naïve and inane to perceive the government as some alien entity separate and apart from the people; government reflects the will of the people, it acts at the behest of the people, and the people are solely responsible for what government does.
And its the judicial branch of the government whose job it is to safeguard the rights of the people including safeguarding the rights of the people from the people when they err.
It is even sadder t think that I, as a veteran who fought for freedom, might be forced to attend a wedding simply because a gay person demands my services.
How many interracial weddings have you been forced to go to?
There is no 'race'. We're all humans. The differences in DNA that account for appearance differences, are a insignificant to others. I can have more similarity in DNA with a Chinese guy from China, than the white guy across the street, and look completely different from the Chinese guy compared to the white guy next door.
There is no race. There is only the human race. Science has finally caught up with what the Bible has said for thousands of years. We are all one race. We started from Adam and Eve. The idea that there are different races, is more of an evolutionary idea.
No, the proper thing is to scrutinize the schools, their teachers, and course contents, and keep them clean to what we deem proper (ex. No Muslim jihadist propaganda, no homo propaganda, etc) You seem to miss the point that govt is us. And it is we who should shape our society.
No, it's not. It's an institution that, at best, represents the interests of the majority , at worst, organized special interests that want to control us. In neither case is government the equivalent of all the people, and it's certainly not the same thing as society.
The founders had it right on this. Government should be the servant of society, not its master.
Nonsense.
The government and the people are one in the same.
Its naïve and inane to perceive the government as some alien entity separate and apart from the people; government reflects the will of the people, it acts at the behest of the people, and the people are solely responsible for what government does.
And its the judicial branch of the government whose job it is to safeguard the rights of the people including safeguarding the rights of the people from the people when they err.
Who here believes that they have no religious freedom if they can not deny service to gay folks?
No, the proper thing is to scrutinize the schools, their teachers, and course contents, and keep them clean to what we deem proper (ex. No Muslim jihadist propaganda, no homo propaganda, etc) You seem to miss the point that govt is us. And it is we who should shape our society.
No, it's not. It's an institution that, at best, represents the interests of the majority , at worst, organized special interests that want to control us. In neither case is government the equivalent of all the people, and it's certainly not the same thing as society.
The founders had it right on this. Government should be the servant of society, not its master.
Nonsense.
The government and the people are one in the same.
It’s naïve and inane to perceive ‘the government’ as some alien entity separate and apart from the people; government reflects the will of the people, it acts at the behest of the people, and the people are solely responsible for what government does.
And it’s the judicial branch of the government whose job it is to safeguard the rights of the people – including safeguarding the rights of the people from the people when they err.
Who here believes that they have no religious freedom if they can not deny service to gay folks?
That would be a subset of the people that believe that Jim Crow is happening tomorrow.
No, it's not. It's an institution that, at best, represents the interests of the majority , at worst, organized special interests that want to control us. In neither case is government the equivalent of all the people, and it's certainly not the same thing as society.
The founders had it right on this. Government should be the servant of society, not its master.
Nonsense.
The government and the people are one in the same.
It’s naïve and inane to perceive ‘the government’ as some alien entity separate and apart from the people; government reflects the will of the people, it acts at the behest of the people, and the people are solely responsible for what government does.
And it’s the judicial branch of the government whose job it is to safeguard the rights of the people – including safeguarding the rights of the people from the people when they err.
The pure physical fact is that they are not the same thing. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt assume you get that. And that what you're really trying to say is that the will of the majority is the same thing as the will of the people, but that's false as well. The will of the majority, by definition, ignores the will of the minority. It's not the will of all the people, and for those who don't share the majority view, it is very much a separate entity forcing them to comply.
Who here believes that they have no religious freedom if they can not deny service to gay folks?
That would be a subset of the people that believe that Jim Crow is happening tomorrow.
After 35 years in my business having interviewed over 30,000 witnesses I always know when someone is bull shitting.
You ask a Yes or No question and they punt.
No, the proper thing is to scrutinize the schools, their teachers, and course contents, and keep them clean to what we deem proper (ex. No Muslim jihadist propaganda, no homo propaganda, etc) You seem to miss the point that govt is us. And it is we who should shape our society.
No, it's not. It's an institution that, at best, represents the interests of the majority , at worst, organized special interests that want to control us. In neither case is government the equivalent of all the people, and it's certainly not the same thing as society.
The founders had it right on this. Government should be the servant of society, not its master.
Nonsense.
The government and the people are one in the same.
Its naïve and inane to perceive the government as some alien entity separate and apart from the people; government reflects the will of the people, it acts at the behest of the people, and the people are solely responsible for what government does.
And its the judicial branch of the government whose job it is to safeguard the rights of the people including safeguarding the rights of the people from the people when they err.
Any business owner with half a brain and a yen for what real alive people want will give faithful service to most everyone in the community.I think another state passed something similar to this last week so this must be a trend that is catching on. I agree with this bill that if you are a business owner and believe in and live by your faith that you should be able to refuse service to whoever you want.
Arizona Senate: Business owners can cite religion to refuse service to gays
Arizona Senate: Business owners can cite religion to refuse service to gays
You thread title and the article title are incorrect, the bill allows for a business to refuse service to anyone, which means:All the person has to do is claim "a sincerely held religious belief", and as the law is written it doesn't even need to be dogma within a major religion - it is the individuals belief. From the law ""Exercise of religion" means the practice or observance of religion, including the ability to act or refusal to act in a manner substantially motivated by a religious belief, whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief."Service can be refused to races
Service can be refused to other religions
Service can be refused to interracial couples
Service can be refused to women (or men)
Service can be refused to divorcees
Service can be refused basically to anyone, not just the gays
Arizona SB1062
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Fine. But that doesn't mean to not have a legislature, and not make new laws according to the will of the majority of the people. In fact the founders in their Constitution did just that. Providing for 3 branches of govt, one of which is the legislature, and 2 of which are created by "the majority".
"make new laws according to the will of the majority of the people"
Scary shit there my man.
The majority of the people are DUMB ASSES.
The Constitution forbids that. The will of the majority of the people is not what this country was founded on.
The majority may not tyrannize the minority, thus the amendments.
So, play nice kiddos and get on with your lives,"make new laws according to the will of the majority of the people"
Scary shit there my man.
The majority of the people are DUMB ASSES.
The Constitution forbids that. The will of the majority of the people is not what this country was founded on.
The majority may not tyrannize the minority, thus the amendments.
Nor may the minority tyrannize the majority.![]()
No, it's not. It's an institution that, at best, represents the interests of the majority , at worst, organized special interests that want to control us. In neither case is government the equivalent of all the people, and it's certainly not the same thing as society.
The founders had it right on this. Government should be the servant of society, not its master.
Nonsense.
The government and the people are one in the same.
It’s naïve and inane to perceive ‘the government’ as some alien entity separate and apart from the people; government reflects the will of the people, it acts at the behest of the people, and the people are solely responsible for what government does.
And it’s the judicial branch of the government whose job it is to safeguard the rights of the people – including safeguarding the rights of the people from the people when they err.
The pure physical fact is that they are not the same thing. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt assume you get that. And that what you're really trying to say is that the will of the majority is the same thing as the will of the people, but that's false as well. The will of the majority, by definition, ignores the will of the minority. It's not the will of all the people, and for those who don't share the majority view, it is very much a separate entity forcing them to comply.