Armed terrorists take over Federal building in Oregon

[skye]

Obama might pull a black flag shit ...along with some ...some fed traitors (not all, just a few scum)

Things are not going to go that easy for them.

I don't think it will go well for Obama's sheeple/scum/wahabi/anti Americans/

to pull another false flag.

Morons... wake up!

 

[Vigilante]

 

[RollingThunder]

Here is a very good sumary of the entire situation, and the background of the conflict, and some of the various reactions to this armed occupation.

Militia occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

Here's a few choice excerpts...

On January 2, 2016, armed[8] members of rump militias occupied the headquarters building at the United States Fish and Wildlife Service's Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in rural southeastern Oregon in protest of the pending imprisonment of ranchers Dwight Hammond and his son, Steven Hammond. The two were convicted on charges of arson in 2012 for unlawfully setting fire to federal land under a domestic anti-terrorism law after setting brush fires to clear grazing land without the required permit.[9]Ammon Bundy, the leader of the group now calling themselves Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, said he began leading the occupation after receiving a divine message from God ordering him to do so.[10][11]

Although their sentences and imprisonment were a stated cause of the dispute, the Hammonds have repeatedly rejected the intervention of militias. Dwight Hammond's wife stated, "I don't really know the purpose of the guys who are out there."

Some of the militia members stated that they were ready to "kill and be killed" in the standoff.[13] The takeover sparked a debate in the U.S. on the meaning of the word "terrorist" in the context of domestic terrorism in the country, and furthermore on how the media and law enforcement treat situations involving people of different ethnicities or religions.[14][15][16]

Dwight Hammond, a cattle rancher in Harney County, owns 12,000 acres (4,900 ha) of land, much of which abuts public land. In 1994, Hammond and his son Steve obstructed the construction of a fence to delineate the boundary between the two parcels of property, prompting their arrest by federal agents. According to federal officials, construction of the fence was needed to stop the Hammond cattle from moving along a cattle trail that intersected public land after the Hammonds had repeatedly violated the terms of their permit, which limited when they could move their cows across refuge property.[25]Officials also reported Hammond had made threats against them in 1986 and 1988, including telling one public lands manager that he was going to "tear off his head and shit down his neck". They also contended Steve Hammond had called them "assholes".[26]

In 1999, Steve Hammond started a fire with the intent of burning off juniper trees and sagebrush, but the fire escaped onto BLM land. The agency reminded Hammond of the required burn permit and that if the fires continued, there would be legal consequences.[27] Both Dwight and Steve Hammond would later on set two additional fires that would lead to arson convictions.[28]

Hammond arson case

In 2012, a federal district court jury found Dwight and Steve Hammond guilty of arson, for fires they had started on the federal land adjacent to their property in 2001 and 2006.[29]

The 2001 Hardie-Hammond Fire began according to Probation Officer Robb, when hunters in the area witnessed the Hammonds illegally slaughter a herd of deer.[30] Less than two hours later, a fire erupted and forced the hunters to leave the area.[31] Later, Steve's nephew Dusty Hammond testified that his uncle told him to start lighting matches and "light the whole countryside on fire." Dusty also testified that he was "almost burned up in the fire" and had to flee for his life.[27][32] The Hammonds have falsely claimed they started the fire to stop invasive plants from growing onto their grazing fields.[33]

The 2006 Krumbo Butte Fire started out as a wildfire, but several illegal backburns were set by the Hammonds with the intent to protect their winter feed. The backfires were set under the cover of night without warning the firefighting camp that was known to be on the slopes above.[31][34] According to the indictment, the fires threatened to trap four BLM firefighters, one of whom later confronted Dwight Hammond at the fire scene after having moved his crews to avoid the threat.[31][32] Two days later, Steve Hammond threatened to frame a BLM employee with arson if he didn't stop the investigation.[33]

Following their conviction, federal prosecutors requested a five-year sentence for each of the Hammonds as provided for under the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (AEDPA).[34] The AEDPA provides that arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence.[35][36] U.S. District Judge Michael Robert Hogan determined sentences of that length "would shock the conscience" and would violate the constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. Hogan instead sentenced Dwight Hammond to three months' imprisonment and Steve Hammond to a year and a day's imprisonment, which both men served.[37] In what was described by media as a "rare" action, U.S. Attorney Amanda Marshall successfully appealed the sentence to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which upheld the mandatory-minimum law, writing that "given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense." The court vacated the original sentence and remanded for resentencing. The Hammonds filed petitions for certiorari with the Supreme Court, which the court rejected in March 2015.[35] In October 2015, Chief Judge Ann Aiken re-sentenced the pair to five years in prison (with credit for time served), ordering that they return to prison on January 4, 2016.[35][37] Both of the Hammonds reported to prison in California on January 4 in accordance with the law.[38]

In a separate 2014 civil judgment, the Hammonds were ordered to pay $400,000 in restitution to the U.S. government for the related arson fires. The pair paid half the amount immediately and the remaining $200,000 in December 2015.[34]
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By late 2015, the Hammond case had attracted the attention of members of the family of Cliven Bundy, including sons Ammon and Ryan. The Bundys publicized the situation via social media, drawing interest from militia groups outside Oregon who sought to publicly endorse the Hammonds to draw attention to unrelated issues.[29][40] The Hammonds rejected the offers of assistance with Hammond attorney W. Alan Schroeder writing that "neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone within his group/organization speak for the Hammond family."[3]When later asked about the occupation, Susan Hammond, the wife of Dwight Hammond, was dismissive and said, "I don't really know the purpose of the guys who are out there."[41]

Harney County sheriff David Ward agreed to meet with the militia members who requested the sheriff's office protect the Hammonds from being taken into custody by federal authorities. Though Ward said he sympathized with the Hammonds' plight, he declined the militias' request. Ward said that he subsequently received death threats by email.[29]

Reactions

Anti-government activists

Cliven Bundy, the father of Ammon and Ryan Bundy, said he was not involved in organizing the takeover of the MNWR facilities and said it was "not exactly what I thought should happen".[40]

Asked about the incident, Mike Vanderboegh, a founder of the 3 Percenters militia, described the occupiers as "a collection of fruits and nuts", described John Ritzheimer as a "fool", and said Ammon Bundy had "a John Brown complex".[90]

The group Oath Keepers (of which Jon Ritzheimer was formerly a member) in a statement published on its website prior to the seizure of the MNWR facilities, said "we cannot force ourselves or our protection on people who do not want it. Dwight and Steven Hammond have made it clear, through their attorney, that they just want to turn themselves in and serve out their sentence. And that clear statement of their intent should be the end of the discussion on this."[91]

Tribal government

The governing council of the Burns Paiute Tribe, an Indian nation whose borders straddled Harney County, declared the occupiers were endangering the tribe's history by their presence and called on them to leave. Tribal chair Charlotte Rodrique went on to explain that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service was the protector of traditional Burns Paiute religious and archaeological sites in the area and that the displacement of federal authorities put such locations at risk.[96]

State, and local government

State Representative Cliff Bentz, who represents the region in the Oregon House of Representatives, said that the outside groups do not represents Burns or Harney County, saying, "They're trying to use the misfortune of the Hammonds to further the interests of the Bundys."[97]

In a January 6 press release, the Western State Sheriffs Association (WSSA), an organization representing 800 sheriffs in the American West, said its mission was to "promote the office of Sheriff and to assist our member Sheriffs on issues of mutual concern" and that it had offered Harney County Sheriff David Ward to organize out-of-state resources to send to Oregon if requested. The WSSA statement went on to note that it did not "support efforts of any individual or groups who utilize intimidation, threats or fear in order to further an agenda."[99]

Organizations

The Oregon Cattleman's Association, while maintaining it still supported the Hammonds, released a statement that declared it did "not support illegal activity taken against the government. This includes militia takeover of government property, such as the Malheur Wildlife Refuge."[100]

On January 4, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued a statement condemning the militia actions and stating, "While the disagreement occurring in Oregon about the use of federal lands is not a Church matter, Church leaders strongly condemn the armed seizure of the facility and are deeply troubled by the reports that those who have seized the facility suggest that they are doing so based on scriptural principles. This armed occupation can in no way be justified on a scriptural basis."[57][101] The church also released an excerpt from a 1992 speech by Dallin H. Oaks, a senior Mormon religious leader, criticizing the "excessive zeal" of "those patriots who are participating in or provisioning private armies and making private preparations for armed conflict".[57]

The Audubon Society of Portland, in a written statement, said that the "occupation of Malheur by armed, out of state militia groups puts one of America's most important wildlife refuges at risk. It violates the most basic principles of the public trust doctrine and holds hostage public lands and public resources to serve the very narrow political agenda of the occupiers."[102]

 

[Vigilante]

 

[RollingThunder]

This is a good one...

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

The tyranny is committed by a person who does not follow the law. No, GW would not support them anymore than Daniel Shays.

Like Black Lives Matter? Martin Luther King? Ross Parks? Draft Dodgers? War protesters?

Tell me the type of weapon carried by King, Parks, or the Dodgers. Though the last, I believe, u
sed bats.

You said people who break the law are traitors. You didn't qualify that they had to be armed. Why do you hate Rosa Parks?

 

[sonic]

Y'All Qaeda
Vanilla ISIS
Or The Dumb and the Restless

I'm liking Vanilla ISIS

Taibbi nails it again
The Dumb and the Restless

 

[Indofred]

Ah yes, in case of martyrdom, they are looking forward to heaven and 72 cousins.

That has to be the best post I've ever seen on this forum.

 

[JakeStarkey]

TN does not get that sane people have to say things over and over to him to get him back in reality.

How do you get me to reality when you can't explain anything? You saying I'm wrong and saying you won't explain why makes you sound like a fuckin hack. Period.

You prove my point that you can't think clearly.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The tyranny is committed by a person who does not follow the law. No, GW would not support them anymore than Daniel Shays.

Like Black Lives Matter? Martin Luther King? Ross Parks? Draft Dodgers? War protesters?

Tell me the type of weapon carried by King, Parks, or the Dodgers. Though the last, I believe, u
sed bats.

You said people who break the law are traitors. You didn't qualify that they had to be armed. Why do you hate Rosa Parks?

You create a fallacy of false equivalency, and now you are doubling down on stupid.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

The tyranny is committed by a person who does not follow the law. No, GW would not support them anymore than Daniel Shays.

Like Black Lives Matter? Martin Luther King? Ross Parks? Draft Dodgers? War protesters?

Tell me the type of weapon carried by King, Parks, or the Dodgers. Though the last, I believe, u
sed bats.

You said people who break the law are traitors. You didn't qualify that they had to be armed. Why do you hate Rosa Parks?

You create a fallacy of false equivalency, and now you are doubling down on stupid.

If don't like being challenged, then don't post comments that are easily challenged.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The tyranny is committed by a person who does not follow the law. No, GW would not support them anymore than Daniel Shays.

Like Black Lives Matter? Martin Luther King? Ross Parks? Draft Dodgers? War protesters?

Tell me the type of weapon carried by King, Parks, or the Dodgers. Though the last, I believe, u
sed bats.

You said people who break the law are traitors. You didn't qualify that they had to be armed. Why do you hate Rosa Parks?

You create a fallacy of false equivalency, and now you are doubling down on stupid.

If don't like being challenged, then don't post comments that are easily challenged.

You are doubling down, and you are still wrong. Sux to be you.

 

[RollingThunder]

This is a very insightful and humorous article about Y'all Qaeda and their braindead YeeHawd against the Federal Government of the United States of America......

The Dumb and the Restless
Ammon Bundy and his band of weeping, self-pitying, gun-toting, wannabe-terrorist metrosexuals are America's most ridiculous people
RollingStone
By Matt Taibbi
January 7, 2016
First of all, when did it become OK for cowboys to cry in public?

The coolest thing about the Gary Cooper-Clint Eastwood-James Coburn-Yul Brynner-style cowboys is that they never said a damned thing. They walked slow, asses sore from all that riding, and kept things to a syllable or two if they could manage it: "Whiskey." "Bath." "Draw."

Contrast that with Ammon Bundy, the man who recently led a small group of gun-wielding outpatients to occupy the Malheur federal wildlife preserve in Oregon.

Before the occupation, Bundy stood up at a town hall meeting in Harney County, Oregon, and fell to pieces as he described to the audience the revelation he had from God about the need to take action against the federal government. He was most put out about the five-year sentence for arson that the feds slapped on a father and son duo of ranchers named Dwight and Steven Hammond for setting fires on federal land.

Bundy, his beard always carefully groomed, his unblemished broad-billed rancher hat always on straight, stood up at the town hall and weepingly explained that God had spoken to him about the Hammonds.

"The Lord was not pleased with what was happening with the Hammonds," he croaked out. "OK?" He then wiped his eyes and — in an absolutely flawless homage to the Mike Myers I'm a little verklempt routine — held a palm out as if to say, "Hang on while I compose myself."

"And I apologize for being emotional," he went on. "I hope you guys can get past that!" (He wiped his eyes again.)

Bundy's town hall speech was nothing compared to the instant-satire performance delivered by fellow militiaman Jon Ritzheimer, who videotaped himself in his front car seat weepily telling his daughters why he wouldn't be home for the holidays. The Oscar-winning scene comes when Ritzheimer sighs, drops his carefully shaved head and carefully trimmed goatee downward (the stratospheric Men's Health-level grooming factor is a constant in the #YallQaeda story), then collects himself just long enough to look up at his camera.

"Your Daddy swore an oath!" Ritzheimer bleats, waving a paperback copy of the Constitution in front of the camera. What's hilarious is that you can see Ritzheimer, who just seconds before was ostensibly so overwhelmed with emotion that he "lost it" and had to gather himself, carefully spread his fingers during the scene so that the audience can see the title.

The video was instant viral comedy and inspired some fantastic parodies. "Your Daddy swore an oath!" cried John Darnielle, a.k.a. @mountain_goats on Twitter. "An oath to the naturalist, and later expressionist, playwright, August Strindburg! And, scene!"

"Daddy swore an oath!" said @PatrickGeCooper, in one of my favorites. "An oath to finally finish Jules Verne's Mysterious Island. I've tried like three times! There are so many descriptions of plants, and rocks…"

This is not to say it's not OK for men to cry. Of course it's OK for men to cry. What's not OK is to be so completely in love with yourself and up your own ass that you don't even realize you're committing acts of terrorism.

The Bundy militiamen are like a Black September version of an Iron John forest retreat: a bunch of weepy middle-aged guys who dressed up in crisply pressed outdoorswear and took over a bird sanctuary so they could play outlaw for a few days while they "worked on themselves."

They gathered around a bonfire (there really was a bonfire) and presumably engaged in Robert Bly-style mythopoetic healing, getting back to their manly roots by stroking their rifles, wearing camo undies, and complaining about all the wrongs done to them by women/the federal government/wild birds/whoever.

About the camo: yes, the following actually happened. One of the militiamen, Melvin Lee, posted a video on Facebook (these guys are on social media more than most teenagers) where he complained about the popular misconceptions of the movement. "There's nobody in camouflage," said Lee, who was wearing a camouflage jacket. "Well, except for my jacket."

And yes, it did happen that Ritzheimer, who did remember to bring his paperback copy of the Constitution, actually sent out a tweet asking for care packages for things his compadres forgot to pack for their armed dude-seminar. They asked for socks, snacks, energy drinks (!), equipment for cold weather, snow camo, and "gear."

This was after Bundy had told reporters that the group was prepared to stay for "years" and had enough supplies to see them through. "We have food planned and prepared," he said.

The group's decision to start begging for snacks almost immediately after boasting of their preparedness inspired still more hilarity on the Internet. This clever person re-imagined the classic "Don't Tread on Me" flag to read, "Please Send Snacks." A Reddit group then heatedly discussed what snacks to send, concluding that "they should have brought the big-sized party mix chips" and suggesting donations of things like sugar-free gummy bears, diapers, Funyuns, cheese omelet MREs, and glitter.

Every time these people open their mouths, it's comedy. Earlier this week Bundy gave an interview to CNN in which he tried to play up the "We come in peace" meme they've been pushing from the start. Like the "nobody's wearing camo except the camo I'm wearing" line, "It's a peaceful protest, except for the rifles which we won't use unless we have to" is also high comedy, although not a single person in the group seems to realize it.

Sounding exquisitely reasonable Wednesday, Bundy said, "There is a time to go home. We recognize that. We don't feel it's quite time yet."

Except Bundy will not be going home, after all. His next stop, if it's not the afterlife, will almost certainly be in a cell next to serial poisoner Michael Swango, or Richard Reid the shoe bomber, in the supermax in Florence, Colorado. There will be no snack shortage there, although he'll be getting them through a slit in a door. Maybe they'll let him take up macramé?

Bundy seems not to get this, however. He's convinced that this will all get worked out, as soon as the federal government releases the Hammonds from prison (what is this, a list of demands from Hezbollah?) and hands over a healthy swath of federal land to private ranchers. "We need to make sure that there is some teeth in these land transfers," he said confidently.

It has been suggested that it's somehow wrong to laugh at the Y'all Qaeda/Vanilla ISIS movement. "The idea that satire… can serve as a bulwark against far-right ideas is provably false," writes Natasha Lennard at AlJazeera.com. She goes on to point out that the paranoia and xenophobic racism of people like Bundy are not funny, and neither are the redneck caricatures that have spilled across the Internet in the last week as this "siege" played itself out.

"Satire that deploys classism to skewer racists and conservatives is certainly such a worst case," she says. "Why not focus on their very real, very frightening beliefs?"

There's no doubt that these people are dangerous, but their ridiculousness is a huge part of who they are. Incidentally, this is true of groups like the actual al-Qaeda, too, led as they are by men in beards and Rick-Perry-style "smart glasses" who play at being religious scholars and intellectuals when in fact they are the kind of people who are afraid of cartoons and lie awake at night wondering if it's permissible to play chess with a menstruating woman. Just because a person is dangerous does not mean he's not also absurd.

The Bundy militiamen are an extreme example of a type that's become common in America. Like the Tea Partiers, they seem to not only believe that they're the only people in history who've ever paid taxes, but that they're the only people who were ever sad about it. What they call tyranny on the part of the federal government just means putting up with the same irritating bills and regulations and other crap that we all put up with, only the rest of us don't whine about it in the front seats of our cars while posing in front of tripods.

Again, these people may be dangerous, but their boundless self-pity, their outrageous sense of entitlement and their slapstick incompetence as rebels and terrorists are absolutely ridiculous. Sure, it may not help, but how can we not laugh?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rolling Thunder, the Hammonds and the Bundys can put us to sleep, so don't help out with an 89 paragraph nonsensity.

Yeah, they are fakes, they are jerks, and see how easy it is to clarify what they are. What they are not are true Americans.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Vigilante]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your boy is going to, Vigilante, LOSE BIG.

 

[RollingThunder]

Rolling Thunder, the Hammonds and the Bundys can put us to sleep, so don't help out with an 89 paragraph nonsensity.

I'm sorry if you have such a short part attention span, dude, but don't assume that everyone is as handicapped as you seem to be. Most people can read an ordinary magazine article without any trouble

Yeah, they are fakes, they are jerks, and see how easy it is to clarify what they are. What they are not are true Americans.

We are in agreement there.
.

 

[Jackson]

I'm sure glad the OP showed up. We would have never known about this story.

At least it's current. Maybe a different spin. Heck, we are still getting new threads about Clinton's sexcapades from 20 years ago and .......Benghazi.

which still matter to our government now.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Is it legal to sentence someone after they already served their sentence for that crime?

Apparently so, which seems like bad law to me.

However, the ranchers are breaking the law and need to be removed and dealt with.

Weird how people keep saying that but can't back it up..
What laws are they breaking?
I honestly don't know much about it. Only thing I care about is the possible tyranny

They could be tresspassing as to the structure. The land is public land and certainly not marked with use restrictions such as, no tresspassing, no camping, no fires, etc.

They could be tresspassing as to the structure. The land is public land and certainly not marked with use restrictions such as, no tresspassing, no camping, no fires, etc.

Prohibited Activities
Fires, swimming, camping, and collecting natural objects such as plants, animals, insects, minerals, antlers, and objects of antiquity (including Indian artifacts) are prohibited.

Rules and Regulations - Malheur - U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service