Assad is an enemy of Isil, but not the West’s ally

[montelatici]

The only difference between Syria and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and other close U.S. allies, is that Syria has a secular government that protects the rights of the minorities. All of those U.S. allies have far more repressive regimes than the Syrian government, and are religious nutters to boot. Your brainwashed ignorance makes you the "joke".

Assad is a BAATHIST-----just like your idol SADAAM HUSSEIN just as was GAMEL ABDEL NASSER-----
now ask some Chaldeans and some Coptic Christians
just how "not repressive were they"------for that matter---talk
to some Syrian Christians------they have been running from
Syria for decades------

You do understand that the Baath Party is a secular socialist party founded by Michel Aflaq, a Syrian Christian who wanted to create a secular Middle East.

You foolish dunce. Saddam Hussein's Foreign Secretary was a Christian. There were Christian generals in the Army.

As far as the Syrian Christians:

"The Christians of Syria have no real choice in the matter. They have been a tolerated, indeed a privileged, minority under the Ba’athist regime (as they were in Iraq); if the regime falls, their fate will be that of Iraq’s Christians. They cannot understand, indeed are completely bewildered by, what I told them, namely that the British government is considering arming their enemies. They pray that this will not happen, and so do I."

CatholicHerald.co.uk Assad s regime is appalling but I can t blame my Christian friends in Syria for praying that he wins

As far as Nasser:

"Muslims' Fury Falls on Egypt's Christians
"The wave of fundamentalist militancy began early in the 1970's, after the Government of Mr. Sadat, seeking a counterweight to a challenge from left-wing Arab nationalists, released hundreds of militant Muslims who had been jailed for much of the previous two decades. Among the Muslim groups that surged into action in that period was the Muslim Brotherhood, which was founded in 1928 and which advocates the taking of power by legitimate political means."

Guess who had jailed the fundamentalists, a hint, who was the leader before Sadat?

 

[aris2chat]

excuse me, did Monte say that Assad is Christian? sorry---
it's late and maybe I am confused----but I got the impression
it thinks that Assad is Christian or "pro-Christian" or something like that. MONTE ? can you provide just a bit of your
background------just a tiny non-indentifying bit------I would like
to understand how you got to your somewhat strange "POV" and "information"

Assad is alawite, a form of shia

 

[Roudy]

You should stick to talking about Germany, both Assad and his deceased father are well known mass murderers who's atrocities have been well documented.

Go Assad, keep shelling and dropping chemical weapons on your own people?

You know its lies and nothing like that is documented.

Here's your "hero", you should be proud::

Syria s sickening massacre Mothers shot as they cradled babies and newlyweds executed side-by-side Daily Mail Online

Mothers shot as they cradled their babies, newlyweds executed side-by-side

• Human Rights Watch claims Syrian forces slaughtered 248 people in May
• They included unarmed civilians, women and children, a report reveals
• The details have been compiled from accounts from witnesses
• Syrian government said it only killed terrorists but 'mistakes possible'

Published: 12:02 EST, 16 September 2013 | Updated: 07:04 EST, 17 September 2013

Mothers and children, their bodies piled on top of each other, some still covering the baby they had died trying to protect.

Newlyweds executed side by side, and entire families slaughtered as they huddled together for protection, only to be shot, their corpses stacked high and then torched.

Details of a massacre, possibly one of the deadliest since the start of the conflict in Syria, have been released in a report released today by Human Rights Watch.

It claims Syrian forces brutally slaughtered 248 people in the coastal towns of al-Bayda and Baniyas in May.

The evidence is based on interviews with 15 al-Bayda residents and 5 from Baniyas

The chilling accounts are detailed in the 68-page report, 'No One’s Left’: Summary Executions by Syrian Forces in al-Bayda and Baniyas' and are based on interviews with 15 al-Bayda residents and 5 from Baniyas.

The details have been compiled from accounts given by people who saw or heard the forces detain and then execute their relatives. It lists 167 people killed in al-Bayda and 81 in Baniyas.

The report concludes that the overwhelming majority were executed after military clashes ended and opposition fighters had retreated.

It also warns that the actual number of fatalities is probably even higher, particularly in Baniyas, but that the area is difficult to access and account for the dead.

On the morning of May 2, Syrian government forces and pro-government militias clashed with opposition fighters in al-Bayda, a town of about 7,000 residents 10 kilometres from the coastal city of Baniyas.

The area is considered a Sunni antigovernment enclave within the largely Alawite and pro-government Tartous governorate.

Witnesses said that after the local opposition fighters retreated, at about 1pm, government and pro-government forces entered the town and searched the houses.

Witnesses told Human Rights Watch that the forces who entered the two towns were a mix of regular government troops, members of the National Defense Force, a paramilitary group organised earlier in the year by the government from pro-government militias; and armed pro-government residents of neighboring villages

Three local residents who found the bodies after the forces had left al-Bayda, said that they executed all the members of one of the branches of the Bayasi family who were in their homes on May 2 – at least nine men, three women, and fourteen children –with the exception of a 3-year-old girl who they said was wounded by three bullets but survived.

One of the first responders to find the Bayasi bodies described how he found them: 'I was busy helping the surviving residents leave the town when the fiancé of one the Bayasi women asked me to go with him to check on her.

'We went to the house of Mustafa Ali Bayasi. We entered. We saw no one in the first room. As we entered further into the house, we got to a room where we found so many corpses. Mothers and children piled on top of each other.

'One mother was still covering her son. I thought he may have survived but as I turned her over, I saw that he had been also shot. My friend’s fiancé was also killed. We closed the windows of the house because we did not want any wild animals to come in.'

In Ras al-Nabe` residents also told Human Rights Watch that they located the bodies of entire families, including children, who were killed together.

Come on. Twenty people talk some shit and you call this evidence. This is the traditional way of western "evidence" gathering!

What are you talking about? These are human rights organizations reporting the abuses. Assad is a mass murderer, just like his father. Actually he's probably worse. The only person you're fooling is yourself.

Stop your bullshit and tell me how many weeks the Israeli government shelled Gaza in 2014 and how many people, especially children, it killed doing so. You point at others using your lies? Here comes your truth, so shut up:

"Between 2,140 and 2,310 Gazans were killed (including 513 children) and between 10,626 and 10,895 (including 3000 children, see Independent article) were wounded."
"The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians; Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians."
2014 Israel Gaza conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"The UN estimates that more than 20,000 homes have been reduced to rubble or rendered uninhabitable and workers are racing to avert humanitarian crisis by fixing damaged water mains and power lines.
According to the United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA), more than 300,000 Gazans had been sheltering in its schools on Tuesday and up to 500,000 people have been displaced by the conflict."
Israel-Gaza conflict 50-day war by numbers - Middle East - World - The Independent

In response to what, over ten thousand rockets being shot into Israel by Hamas from Gaza? They're lucky isrsel didn't nuke them. Any other Arab leader like Assad or Sadam wouldn't have left a single person left stsnding alive in Gaza . You can take that to the bank.

 

[montelatici]

Monte----you are paul rand are in excellent company----
the Russians love the BAATHISTS too

And you support Al Nousra and ISIS versus the secular Baathists, I, on the other hand, will take the secular side every time.

 

[Roudy]

The only difference between Syria and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and other close U.S. allies, is that Syria has a secular government that protects the rights of the minorities. All of those U.S. allies have far more repressive regimes than the Syrian government, and are religious nutters to boot. Your brainwashed ignorance makes you the "joke".

Assad is a BAATHIST-----just like your idol SADAAM HUSSEIN just as was GAMEL ABDEL NASSER-----
now ask some Chaldeans and some Coptic Christians
just how "not repressive were they"------for that matter---talk
to some Syrian Christians------they have been running from
Syria for decades------

You do understand that the Baath Party is a secular socialist party founded by Michel Aflaq, a Syrian Christian who wanted to create a secular Middle East.

You foolish dunce. Saddam Hussein's Foreign Secretary was a Christian. There were Christian generals in the Army.

As far as the Syrian Christians:

"The Christians of Syria have no real choice in the matter. They have been a tolerated, indeed a privileged, minority under the Ba’athist regime (as they were in Iraq); if the regime falls, their fate will be that of Iraq’s Christians. They cannot understand, indeed are completely bewildered by, what I told them, namely that the British government is considering arming their enemies. They pray that this will not happen, and so do I."

CatholicHerald.co.uk Assad s regime is appalling but I can t blame my Christian friends in Syria for praying that he wins

As far as Nasser:

"Muslims' Fury Falls on Egypt's Christians
"The wave of fundamentalist militancy began early in the 1970's, after the Government of Mr. Sadat, seeking a counterweight to a challenge from left-wing Arab nationalists, released hundreds of militant Muslims who had been jailed for much of the previous two decades. Among the Muslim groups that surged into action in that period was the Muslim Brotherhood, which was founded in 1928 and which advocates the taking of power by legitimate political means."

Guess who had jailed the fundamentalists, a hint, who was the leader before Sadat?

Then you should be happy that the Egyptian leader is hitting ISIS. But you're not not. Mass murderer Assad is your hero while Sissi is your enemy because he's anti Hamas and friendly with Israel.

Bathists are Arab nationalists that idolized the Nazis. So it shouldn't surprise anybody that they had Christians as their footsoldiers. You're just an ignorant moron spreading your usual bullshit propoganda willingly.

The Arab Ba'ath Party established by Zaki al-Arsuzi was according to Sami al-Jundi, one of the co-founders of the party, heavily influenced by fascist and Nazi ideals. The party's emblem was the tiger because it would "excite the imagination of the youth, in the tradition of Nazism and Fascism, but taking into consideration that the Arab is in his nature is distant from pagan symbols [like the swastika]".[59] Arsuzi's Ba'ath Party believed in the virtues of the "one leader", and Arsuzi himself believed personally in the racial superiority of the Arabs. The party members read a lot of Nazi literature, such as The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century for instance, became one of the first to plan the translation of Mein Kampf into Arabic and they were actively looking for a copy of The Myth of the Twentieth Century.

Saddam drew inspiration on how to rule Iraq from both Joseph Stalin, a communist, and Adolf Hitler, a Nazi. According to a British journalist who interviewed Barzan al-Tikriti, the head of the Iraqi intelligence services, Saddam had asked Barzan to procure these books not for racist or anti-Semitic purposes, but instead "as an example of the successful organisation of an entire society by the state for the achievement of national goals."

 

[montelatici]

Sally and Ruddy are Zionists. They don't care if Christians are massacred, as long as Israel gains position. That's why they support the Islamist terrorists that are trying to overthrow the Syrian government. The Syrian government is the most secular in the Middle East. The only country besides Lebanon (and Iraq under Saddam) that had Christians in powerful positions and with Christians in the armed forces.

Islamist liar said what? Ha ha ha.

That's right, you support Assad who supports Hezbollah, killers and oppressor of Christians in Lebanon, you also support Palestinians who slaughtered thousands of Christians in Lebanon on a regular basis.

You aren't a Christian, you're a Jew hating Nazi scumbag, and probably a convert to Islam. You worship those who kill Christians, just because they hate Jews just as much as you do.

Now fuck off.

How does Hezbollah oppress Christians in Lebanon? You haven't a clue about the Lebanese civil war. The sides and factions in the war were diverse. For example, the Shia (now called Hezbollah) were fighting against the PLO in the south and many Shia were in the Christian led SLA (Southern Lebanese Army). I happen to know quite a bit about the Lebanese civil war. I was with the U.S. Army, stationed in Saudi Arabia when the civil war started, in fact, I was on a C-141 that was planning to land in Beirut in December of 1975 which had to turn around and return to Jeddah because of the artillery fire on the airport.. You are just an ignorant little prick that makes things up.

Ha ha. One of the most ignorant propagandists on the board calling others ignorant.

Fact: Hezbollah is a shiite Islamist terrorist organization funded and directed by Iran and Syria that has taken over Lebanon by force, and turned what was once a secular tolerant society into an intolerant Islamic cesspool that is governed by shariah law.

Fact: Hezbollah and Syrias assad have been found guilty of the pro Western anti Islamist very popular Christian president. Hezbollah is now the equivalent of a Shiite ISIS that is holding the entire nation of Lebanon hostage, and oppressing and killing all those that stand in their way and theirs erosion of Shiite Islamic supremacist ideology.

The fact that you won't acknowledge these basic well known and internationally accepted facts about Hezbollah indicates that you're a scumbag liar - Jew hating asshole, full of bullshit and false propoganda.

You don't know what you are talking about. Maronites are more likely to be allies of the Shia than the Sunnis. The Lebanese political landscape is very complex, and Hezbollah is, counter to your ridiculous claims, a mortal enemy of ISIS.

And, it is you who only propagate propaganda. You have never in all your time here ever posted anything resembling a reasoned argument for your position. Just propaganda.

You are Zionist mouthpiece. You see Jew haters everywhere, any one who disagrees with you is a Jew hater. If one supports the secular government of Syria as opposed to the Islamists, because in that fight you support the Islamists whose weakening of the Syrian government is good for Israel, you accuse that person of being a Jew hater. You are a Zionist freak that would have Christians and Westerners slaughtered if it soemhow helped Israel.

By the way, read this piece linked below to learn a little bit about Lebanese politics before opening your ignorant mouth.


" the Maronite Free Patriotic Movement accused Rifi of protecting Sunni co-religionists even when they are members of ISIS."

Google

Read what I wrote again moron, you are simply repeating what I said. Hezbollah is a mortal enemy of ISIS because they are Shiite, of course, but they practice the same Islamist supremacist expansionist ideology. By claiming that Hezbollah does not oppress or kill Lebanese Christians, it is you that is proving your ignorance, moron.

Yeah right. Hezbollah does not practice supremacist expansionist "ideology" you clown. Where have they "expanded to"? You are confusing them with Israel. Hezbollah merely defends its home base in the south of Lebanon and south Beirut from expansionist Jews of Israel and expansionist Sunnis like Al Nousra, ISIS etc.



"In Hezbollah stronghold, Lebanese Christians find respect, stability

In a Christian home in a Shiite suburb of Beirut, images of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah share mantel and wall space with the Virgin Mary."

In Hezbollah stronghold Lebanese Christians find respect stability - CSMonitor.com

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS
"RAS BAALBEK, Lebanon—Rifaat Nasrallah sits impatiently on a sofa in his home in the small village of Ras Baalbek sipping coffee and chain smoking Marlboro Lights. A handgun casually stuck in the waistband of his jeans, he says he’s only in town briefly; these days he’s been spending more and more time in the hills just outside his living room window, where he commands an all-Christian militia that he credits for keeping Islamist militants in neighboring Syria at bay.

In the doorway above him hangs a needlepoint portrait of the Virgin Mary, while on the mantle sits a framed photograph of the founder of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, with whom he shares a last name.....One of Nasrallah’s deputies, a man asked to only be identified as George, argues that Hezbollah is a natural ally for the country’s Christians. “It’s not about religion anymore,” he says. “We are sharing a common enemy now—ISIS is trying to kill both of us.”

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS - The Daily Beast

"An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon’s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country"

"A recent poll by the Beirut Center for Research and Information (BCRI) found that two thirds (62.6%) of Lebanese Christians feel that, contrary to its vilification by members of the NATO alliance, Hizbullah has in fact protected their country from its most determined enemies—Israel, IS (known locally as Da‘ash), and Wahhabi-style terrorist groups linked to the Syria-Iraq conflagration."

An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

 

[Roudy]

Monte----you are paul rand are in excellent company----
the Russians love the BAATHISTS too

And you support Al Nousra and ISIS versus the secular Baathists, I, on the other hand, will take the secular side every time.

Ha ha ha. You are a joke. Secular Adab Nazi mass murderers who sponsor Islamic terrorists. That's what Sadam and Assad did, moron. Assad sponsors Hezbollah while Sadam helped Hamas and other Islamic radicals. In fact he would send $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers.

Take a hike, and take your ignorant bullshit with you.

 

[Roudy]

Islamist liar said what? Ha ha ha.

That's right, you support Assad who supports Hezbollah, killers and oppressor of Christians in Lebanon, you also support Palestinians who slaughtered thousands of Christians in Lebanon on a regular basis.

You aren't a Christian, you're a Jew hating Nazi scumbag, and probably a convert to Islam. You worship those who kill Christians, just because they hate Jews just as much as you do.

Now fuck off.

How does Hezbollah oppress Christians in Lebanon? You haven't a clue about the Lebanese civil war. The sides and factions in the war were diverse. For example, the Shia (now called Hezbollah) were fighting against the PLO in the south and many Shia were in the Christian led SLA (Southern Lebanese Army). I happen to know quite a bit about the Lebanese civil war. I was with the U.S. Army, stationed in Saudi Arabia when the civil war started, in fact, I was on a C-141 that was planning to land in Beirut in December of 1975 which had to turn around and return to Jeddah because of the artillery fire on the airport.. You are just an ignorant little prick that makes things up.

Ha ha. One of the most ignorant propagandists on the board calling others ignorant.

Fact: Hezbollah is a shiite Islamist terrorist organization funded and directed by Iran and Syria that has taken over Lebanon by force, and turned what was once a secular tolerant society into an intolerant Islamic cesspool that is governed by shariah law.

Fact: Hezbollah and Syrias assad have been found guilty of the pro Western anti Islamist very popular Christian president. Hezbollah is now the equivalent of a Shiite ISIS that is holding the entire nation of Lebanon hostage, and oppressing and killing all those that stand in their way and theirs erosion of Shiite Islamic supremacist ideology.

The fact that you won't acknowledge these basic well known and internationally accepted facts about Hezbollah indicates that you're a scumbag liar - Jew hating asshole, full of bullshit and false propoganda.

You don't know what you are talking about. Maronites are more likely to be allies of the Shia than the Sunnis. The Lebanese political landscape is very complex, and Hezbollah is, counter to your ridiculous claims, a mortal enemy of ISIS.

And, it is you who only propagate propaganda. You have never in all your time here ever posted anything resembling a reasoned argument for your position. Just propaganda.

You are Zionist mouthpiece. You see Jew haters everywhere, any one who disagrees with you is a Jew hater. If one supports the secular government of Syria as opposed to the Islamists, because in that fight you support the Islamists whose weakening of the Syrian government is good for Israel, you accuse that person of being a Jew hater. You are a Zionist freak that would have Christians and Westerners slaughtered if it soemhow helped Israel.

By the way, read this piece linked below to learn a little bit about Lebanese politics before opening your ignorant mouth.


" the Maronite Free Patriotic Movement accused Rifi of protecting Sunni co-religionists even when they are members of ISIS."

Google

Read what I wrote again moron, you are simply repeating what I said. Hezbollah is a mortal enemy of ISIS because they are Shiite, of course, but they practice the same Islamist supremacist expansionist ideology. By claiming that Hezbollah does not oppress or kill Lebanese Christians, it is you that is proving your ignorance, moron.

Yeah right. Hezbollah does not practice supremacist expansionist "ideology" you clown. Where have they "expanded to"? You are confusing them with Israel. Hezbollah merely defends its home base in the south of Lebanon and south Beirut from expansionist Jews of Israel and expansionist Sunnis like Al Nousra, ISIS etc.



"In Hezbollah stronghold, Lebanese Christians find respect, stability

In a Christian home in a Shiite suburb of Beirut, images of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah share mantel and wall space with the Virgin Mary."

In Hezbollah stronghold Lebanese Christians find respect stability - CSMonitor.com

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS
"RAS BAALBEK, Lebanon—Rifaat Nasrallah sits impatiently on a sofa in his home in the small village of Ras Baalbek sipping coffee and chain smoking Marlboro Lights. A handgun casually stuck in the waistband of his jeans, he says he’s only in town briefly; these days he’s been spending more and more time in the hills just outside his living room window, where he commands an all-Christian militia that he credits for keeping Islamist militants in neighboring Syria at bay.

In the doorway above him hangs a needlepoint portrait of the Virgin Mary, while on the mantle sits a framed photograph of the founder of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, with whom he shares a last name.....One of Nasrallah’s deputies, a man asked to only be identified as George, argues that Hezbollah is a natural ally for the country’s Christians. “It’s not about religion anymore,” he says. “We are sharing a common enemy now—ISIS is trying to kill both of us.”

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS - The Daily Beast

"An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon’s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country"

"A recent poll by the Beirut Center for Research and Information (BCRI) found that two thirds (62.6%) of Lebanese Christians feel that, contrary to its vilification by members of the NATO alliance, Hizbullah has in fact protected their country from its most determined enemies—Israel, IS (known locally as Da‘ash), and Wahhabi-style terrorist groups linked to the Syria-Iraq conflagration."

An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

That's what happens when your country is held hostage by shiite Islamic terrorists who are fighting ISIS, do they have a choice?

Hezbollah with the help of Assad assassinated the popular Christian lebanese leader. Such a great protector of Christians they are.

 

[montelatici]

You don't know what you are talking about. Maronites are more likely to be allies of the Shia than the Sunnis. The Lebanese political landscape is very complex, and Hezbollah is, counter to your ridiculous claims, a mortal enemy of ISIS.

And, it is you who only propagate propaganda. You have never in all your time here ever posted anything resembling a reasoned argument for your position. Just propaganda.

You are Zionist mouthpiece. You see Jew haters everywhere, any one who disagrees with you is a Jew hater. If one supports the secular government of Syria as opposed to the Islamists, because in that fight you support the Islamists whose weakening of the Syrian government is good for Israel, you accuse that person of being a Jew hater. You are a Zionist freak that would have Christians and Westerners slaughtered if it soemhow helped Israel.

By the way, read this piece linked below to learn a little bit about Lebanese politics before opening your ignorant mouth.


" the Maronite Free Patriotic Movement accused Rifi of protecting Sunni co-religionists even when they are members of ISIS."

Google

I get a good laugh from Haniya, the Muslim convert, who probably would win a medal for posting day and night. She and her musical chair partner are always blurting out "Zionist mouthpiece" or "Zionist propaganda" when the truth might actually be that these two are working for some Muslim propaganda outfit. No one else would spend his or her life all day long on fortums like this. For Lebanese politics, I think we should ask Aris about this particular subject since she is from Lebanon and keeps in touch with people there. The ones who are busy killing the Christians are your own adopted brethren, Haniya. I suggest you keep abreast of Raymond Ibrahim's (a Coptic Christian) articles as he keeps track of all the incidents where the Christian are persecuted and killed by Muslims throughout the Muslim world.

You have have such a vivid imagination. Both the Israelis and the Muslims are killing Christians. Do you think no Christians were killed in Gaza this summer? And you are financing the Israeli killing, as I am, as a U.S. taxpayer. I am not financing the Muslims killing of Christians.

The Syrian Government has always protected the Christians, your Islamist friends are killing them. Aris knows full well from my posts that I know what was going on in Lebanon during the civil war. I was in Beirut before and during the war. As for spending time on the forum, you should look to yourself.

You don't have enough to say about the Jews on that other forum that you drag it over here? Meanwhile, your new brethren are having plenty of pleasure killing the Christians whom they hate. Meanwhile, I would suggest you do a search of your name and then of my screen name, and tell us who would win the medal for posting like a maniac.

Yeah sure, you were in Beirut during the war, just like I was in Timbuctu at the time. The one who was actually in Beirut during the Civil War was Aris, and she is the one to ask about what was going on there.. .

You have posted over 8,000 times and I have posted a little over 4,000 times.

Well, I happen to have kept the brass plate that was on the entrance of my residence while stationed View attachment 36903
in Saudi Arabia. I have excluded my name and rank in the Latin alphabet, but kept it in the frame in Arabic. But it is difficult to translate a Latin alphabet name exactly from the Arabic rendition, so I keep my anonymity. I know it doesn't "prove" I was in Beirut, but how can Aris prove she was in Beirut?

So? You're still fulla shit. Aris on the other hand is definitely Lebanese.

You are the one that is full of shit. You are a punk that talks big behind his computer. Aris may well be Lebanese and I believe that she was in Beirut during the civil war, but there is no proof of either fact, nor could there be without losing anonymity. I am reasonably sure that Aris believes I was in Beirut during that time. Her father worked for MEA, I think. I used MEA when flying commercial, I regularly stayed at the Phoenicia, before it was destroyed in around 1976. We have different points of view, obviously, but she is not the rabid little twat that you are.

 

[aris2chat]

You should stick to talking about Germany, both Assad and his deceased father are well known mass murderers who's atrocities have been well documented.

Go Assad, keep shelling and dropping chemical weapons on your own people?

You know its lies and nothing like that is documented.

Here's your "hero", you should be proud::

Syria s sickening massacre Mothers shot as they cradled babies and newlyweds executed side-by-side Daily Mail Online

Mothers shot as they cradled their babies, newlyweds executed side-by-side

• Human Rights Watch claims Syrian forces slaughtered 248 people in May
• They included unarmed civilians, women and children, a report reveals
• The details have been compiled from accounts from witnesses
• Syrian government said it only killed terrorists but 'mistakes possible'

Published: 12:02 EST, 16 September 2013 | Updated: 07:04 EST, 17 September 2013

Mothers and children, their bodies piled on top of each other, some still covering the baby they had died trying to protect.

Newlyweds executed side by side, and entire families slaughtered as they huddled together for protection, only to be shot, their corpses stacked high and then torched.

Details of a massacre, possibly one of the deadliest since the start of the conflict in Syria, have been released in a report released today by Human Rights Watch.

It claims Syrian forces brutally slaughtered 248 people in the coastal towns of al-Bayda and Baniyas in May.

The evidence is based on interviews with 15 al-Bayda residents and 5 from Baniyas

The chilling accounts are detailed in the 68-page report, 'No One’s Left’: Summary Executions by Syrian Forces in al-Bayda and Baniyas' and are based on interviews with 15 al-Bayda residents and 5 from Baniyas.

The details have been compiled from accounts given by people who saw or heard the forces detain and then execute their relatives. It lists 167 people killed in al-Bayda and 81 in Baniyas.

The report concludes that the overwhelming majority were executed after military clashes ended and opposition fighters had retreated.

It also warns that the actual number of fatalities is probably even higher, particularly in Baniyas, but that the area is difficult to access and account for the dead.

On the morning of May 2, Syrian government forces and pro-government militias clashed with opposition fighters in al-Bayda, a town of about 7,000 residents 10 kilometres from the coastal city of Baniyas.

The area is considered a Sunni antigovernment enclave within the largely Alawite and pro-government Tartous governorate.

Witnesses said that after the local opposition fighters retreated, at about 1pm, government and pro-government forces entered the town and searched the houses.

Witnesses told Human Rights Watch that the forces who entered the two towns were a mix of regular government troops, members of the National Defense Force, a paramilitary group organised earlier in the year by the government from pro-government militias; and armed pro-government residents of neighboring villages

Three local residents who found the bodies after the forces had left al-Bayda, said that they executed all the members of one of the branches of the Bayasi family who were in their homes on May 2 – at least nine men, three women, and fourteen children –with the exception of a 3-year-old girl who they said was wounded by three bullets but survived.

One of the first responders to find the Bayasi bodies described how he found them: 'I was busy helping the surviving residents leave the town when the fiancé of one the Bayasi women asked me to go with him to check on her.

'We went to the house of Mustafa Ali Bayasi. We entered. We saw no one in the first room. As we entered further into the house, we got to a room where we found so many corpses. Mothers and children piled on top of each other.

'One mother was still covering her son. I thought he may have survived but as I turned her over, I saw that he had been also shot. My friend’s fiancé was also killed. We closed the windows of the house because we did not want any wild animals to come in.'

In Ras al-Nabe` residents also told Human Rights Watch that they located the bodies of entire families, including children, who were killed together.

Come on. Twenty people talk some shit and you call this evidence. This is the traditional way of western "evidence" gathering!

What are you talking about? These are human rights organizations reporting the abuses. Assad is a mass murderer, just like his father. Actually he's probably worse. The only person you're fooling is yourself.

Stop your bullshit and tell me how many weeks the Israeli government shelled Gaza in 2014 and how many people, especially children, it killed doing so. You point at others using your lies? Here comes your truth, so shut up:

"Between 2,140 and 2,310 Gazans were killed (including 513 children) and between 10,626 and 10,895 (including 3000 children, see Independent article) were wounded."
"The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians; Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians."
2014 Israel Gaza conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"The UN estimates that more than 20,000 homes have been reduced to rubble or rendered uninhabitable and workers are racing to avert humanitarian crisis by fixing damaged water mains and power lines.
According to the United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA), more than 300,000 Gazans had been sheltering in its schools on Tuesday and up to 500,000 people have been displaced by the conflict."
Israel-Gaza conflict 50-day war by numbers - Middle East - World - The Independent

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[Roudy]

Islamist liar said what? Ha ha ha.

That's right, you support Assad who supports Hezbollah, killers and oppressor of Christians in Lebanon, you also support Palestinians who slaughtered thousands of Christians in Lebanon on a regular basis.

You aren't a Christian, you're a Jew hating Nazi scumbag, and probably a convert to Islam. You worship those who kill Christians, just because they hate Jews just as much as you do.

Now fuck off.

How does Hezbollah oppress Christians in Lebanon? You haven't a clue about the Lebanese civil war. The sides and factions in the war were diverse. For example, the Shia (now called Hezbollah) were fighting against the PLO in the south and many Shia were in the Christian led SLA (Southern Lebanese Army). I happen to know quite a bit about the Lebanese civil war. I was with the U.S. Army, stationed in Saudi Arabia when the civil war started, in fact, I was on a C-141 that was planning to land in Beirut in December of 1975 which had to turn around and return to Jeddah because of the artillery fire on the airport.. You are just an ignorant little prick that makes things up.

Ha ha. One of the most ignorant propagandists on the board calling others ignorant.

Fact: Hezbollah is a shiite Islamist terrorist organization funded and directed by Iran and Syria that has taken over Lebanon by force, and turned what was once a secular tolerant society into an intolerant Islamic cesspool that is governed by shariah law.

Fact: Hezbollah and Syrias assad have been found guilty of the pro Western anti Islamist very popular Christian president. Hezbollah is now the equivalent of a Shiite ISIS that is holding the entire nation of Lebanon hostage, and oppressing and killing all those that stand in their way and theirs erosion of Shiite Islamic supremacist ideology.

The fact that you won't acknowledge these basic well known and internationally accepted facts about Hezbollah indicates that you're a scumbag liar - Jew hating asshole, full of bullshit and false propoganda.

You don't know what you are talking about. Maronites are more likely to be allies of the Shia than the Sunnis. The Lebanese political landscape is very complex, and Hezbollah is, counter to your ridiculous claims, a mortal enemy of ISIS.

And, it is you who only propagate propaganda. You have never in all your time here ever posted anything resembling a reasoned argument for your position. Just propaganda.

You are Zionist mouthpiece. You see Jew haters everywhere, any one who disagrees with you is a Jew hater. If one supports the secular government of Syria as opposed to the Islamists, because in that fight you support the Islamists whose weakening of the Syrian government is good for Israel, you accuse that person of being a Jew hater. You are a Zionist freak that would have Christians and Westerners slaughtered if it soemhow helped Israel.

By the way, read this piece linked below to learn a little bit about Lebanese politics before opening your ignorant mouth.


" the Maronite Free Patriotic Movement accused Rifi of protecting Sunni co-religionists even when they are members of ISIS."

Google

Read what I wrote again moron, you are simply repeating what I said. Hezbollah is a mortal enemy of ISIS because they are Shiite, of course, but they practice the same Islamist supremacist expansionist ideology. By claiming that Hezbollah does not oppress or kill Lebanese Christians, it is you that is proving your ignorance, moron.

Yeah right. Hezbollah does not practice supremacist expansionist "ideology" you clown. Where have they "expanded to"? You are confusing them with Israel. Hezbollah merely defends its home base in the south of Lebanon and south Beirut from expansionist Jews of Israel and expansionist Sunnis like Al Nousra, ISIS etc.



"In Hezbollah stronghold, Lebanese Christians find respect, stability

In a Christian home in a Shiite suburb of Beirut, images of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah share mantel and wall space with the Virgin Mary."

In Hezbollah stronghold Lebanese Christians find respect stability - CSMonitor.com

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS
"RAS BAALBEK, Lebanon—Rifaat Nasrallah sits impatiently on a sofa in his home in the small village of Ras Baalbek sipping coffee and chain smoking Marlboro Lights. A handgun casually stuck in the waistband of his jeans, he says he’s only in town briefly; these days he’s been spending more and more time in the hills just outside his living room window, where he commands an all-Christian militia that he credits for keeping Islamist militants in neighboring Syria at bay.

In the doorway above him hangs a needlepoint portrait of the Virgin Mary, while on the mantle sits a framed photograph of the founder of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, with whom he shares a last name.....One of Nasrallah’s deputies, a man asked to only be identified as George, argues that Hezbollah is a natural ally for the country’s Christians. “It’s not about religion anymore,” he says. “We are sharing a common enemy now—ISIS is trying to kill both of us.”

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS - The Daily Beast

"An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon’s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country"

"A recent poll by the Beirut Center for Research and Information (BCRI) found that two thirds (62.6%) of Lebanese Christians feel that, contrary to its vilification by members of the NATO alliance, Hizbullah has in fact protected their country from its most determined enemies—Israel, IS (known locally as Da‘ash), and Wahhabi-style terrorist groups linked to the Syria-Iraq conflagration."

An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Hezbollah is the proxy army of Iran's supremacist Islamists expanding their influence into other nations. They already conquered Lebanon, now they are working on Yemen. This is your beloved Hezbollah that Assad supports:

Hezbollah was largely formed with the aid of the Ayatollah Khomeini's followers in the early eighties in order to spread Islamic revolution and follows a distinct version of Islamic Shia ideology ("Willayat Al-Faqih") developed by the Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Hezbollah (as well as the political/religious leaders of Iran) believe that the destruction of Israel will bring about the "reappearance of the Imam (the Shiite Islamic Messiah)". These issues exist independently of Israeli treatment of Palestinians or even the existence of the State of Israel.

 

[montelatici]

Monte----you are paul rand are in excellent company----
the Russians love the BAATHISTS too

And you support Al Nousra and ISIS versus the secular Baathists, I, on the other hand, will take the secular side every time.

Ha ha ha. You are a joke. Secular Adab Nazi mass murderers who sponsor Islamic terrorists. That's what Sadam and Assad did, moron. Assad sponsors Hezbollah while Sadam helped Hamas and other Islamic radicals. In fact he would send $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers.

Take a hike, and take your ignorant bullshit with you.

We are not discussing Israel. We are discussing secular governments versus religious fundamentalist governments. Of course Assad supports Hezbollah, they are the only group that has proven capable of defending Lebanon from Israeli invasions and occupation.

Your grammar and syntax clearly puts you in the poorly educated category, is that why you are unable to respond to any post without hurling personal abuse. Is it frustration with your lack of eloquence in conveying your thoughts To most neutral observers you appear to have an emotional problem.

 

[Roudy]

I get a good laugh from Haniya, the Muslim convert, who probably would win a medal for posting day and night. She and her musical chair partner are always blurting out "Zionist mouthpiece" or "Zionist propaganda" when the truth might actually be that these two are working for some Muslim propaganda outfit. No one else would spend his or her life all day long on fortums like this. For Lebanese politics, I think we should ask Aris about this particular subject since she is from Lebanon and keeps in touch with people there. The ones who are busy killing the Christians are your own adopted brethren, Haniya. I suggest you keep abreast of Raymond Ibrahim's (a Coptic Christian) articles as he keeps track of all the incidents where the Christian are persecuted and killed by Muslims throughout the Muslim world.

You have have such a vivid imagination. Both the Israelis and the Muslims are killing Christians. Do you think no Christians were killed in Gaza this summer? And you are financing the Israeli killing, as I am, as a U.S. taxpayer. I am not financing the Muslims killing of Christians.

The Syrian Government has always protected the Christians, your Islamist friends are killing them. Aris knows full well from my posts that I know what was going on in Lebanon during the civil war. I was in Beirut before and during the war. As for spending time on the forum, you should look to yourself.

You don't have enough to say about the Jews on that other forum that you drag it over here? Meanwhile, your new brethren are having plenty of pleasure killing the Christians whom they hate. Meanwhile, I would suggest you do a search of your name and then of my screen name, and tell us who would win the medal for posting like a maniac.

Yeah sure, you were in Beirut during the war, just like I was in Timbuctu at the time. The one who was actually in Beirut during the Civil War was Aris, and she is the one to ask about what was going on there.. .

You have posted over 8,000 times and I have posted a little over 4,000 times.

Well, I happen to have kept the brass plate that was on the entrance of my residence while stationed View attachment 36903
in Saudi Arabia. I have excluded my name and rank in the Latin alphabet, but kept it in the frame in Arabic. But it is difficult to translate a Latin alphabet name exactly from the Arabic rendition, so I keep my anonymity. I know it doesn't "prove" I was in Beirut, but how can Aris prove she was in Beirut?

So? You're still fulla shit. Aris on the other hand is definitely Lebanese.

You are the one that is full of shit. You are a punk that talks big behind his computer. Aris may well be Lebanese and I believe that she was in Beirut during the civil war, but there is no proof of either fact, nor could there be without losing anonymity. I am reasonably sure that Aris believes I was in Beirut during that time. Her father worked for MEA, I think. I used MEA when flying commercial, I regularly stayed at the Phoenicia, before it was destroyed in around 1976. We have different points of view, obviously, but she is not the rabid little twat that you are.

Hezbollah took over long after your beloved Palestinians were slaughtering Christians in Lebanon, they are a product of Iran's Islamist revolution. In fact one might say that radical Islamist Sunni groups like Al Queda were formed to counter the threat coming from Iran Shiites.

 

[RandomVariable]

You know its lies and nothing like that is documented.

Here's your "hero", you should be proud::

Syria s sickening massacre Mothers shot as they cradled babies and newlyweds executed side-by-side Daily Mail Online

Mothers shot as they cradled their babies, newlyweds executed side-by-side

• Human Rights Watch claims Syrian forces slaughtered 248 people in May
• They included unarmed civilians, women and children, a report reveals
• The details have been compiled from accounts from witnesses
• Syrian government said it only killed terrorists but 'mistakes possible'

Published: 12:02 EST, 16 September 2013 | Updated: 07:04 EST, 17 September 2013

Mothers and children, their bodies piled on top of each other, some still covering the baby they had died trying to protect.

Newlyweds executed side by side, and entire families slaughtered as they huddled together for protection, only to be shot, their corpses stacked high and then torched.

Details of a massacre, possibly one of the deadliest since the start of the conflict in Syria, have been released in a report released today by Human Rights Watch.

It claims Syrian forces brutally slaughtered 248 people in the coastal towns of al-Bayda and Baniyas in May.

The evidence is based on interviews with 15 al-Bayda residents and 5 from Baniyas

The chilling accounts are detailed in the 68-page report, 'No One’s Left’: Summary Executions by Syrian Forces in al-Bayda and Baniyas' and are based on interviews with 15 al-Bayda residents and 5 from Baniyas.

The details have been compiled from accounts given by people who saw or heard the forces detain and then execute their relatives. It lists 167 people killed in al-Bayda and 81 in Baniyas.

The report concludes that the overwhelming majority were executed after military clashes ended and opposition fighters had retreated.

It also warns that the actual number of fatalities is probably even higher, particularly in Baniyas, but that the area is difficult to access and account for the dead.

On the morning of May 2, Syrian government forces and pro-government militias clashed with opposition fighters in al-Bayda, a town of about 7,000 residents 10 kilometres from the coastal city of Baniyas.

The area is considered a Sunni antigovernment enclave within the largely Alawite and pro-government Tartous governorate.

Witnesses said that after the local opposition fighters retreated, at about 1pm, government and pro-government forces entered the town and searched the houses.

Witnesses told Human Rights Watch that the forces who entered the two towns were a mix of regular government troops, members of the National Defense Force, a paramilitary group organised earlier in the year by the government from pro-government militias; and armed pro-government residents of neighboring villages

Three local residents who found the bodies after the forces had left al-Bayda, said that they executed all the members of one of the branches of the Bayasi family who were in their homes on May 2 – at least nine men, three women, and fourteen children –with the exception of a 3-year-old girl who they said was wounded by three bullets but survived.

One of the first responders to find the Bayasi bodies described how he found them: 'I was busy helping the surviving residents leave the town when the fiancé of one the Bayasi women asked me to go with him to check on her.

'We went to the house of Mustafa Ali Bayasi. We entered. We saw no one in the first room. As we entered further into the house, we got to a room where we found so many corpses. Mothers and children piled on top of each other.

'One mother was still covering her son. I thought he may have survived but as I turned her over, I saw that he had been also shot. My friend’s fiancé was also killed. We closed the windows of the house because we did not want any wild animals to come in.'

In Ras al-Nabe` residents also told Human Rights Watch that they located the bodies of entire families, including children, who were killed together.

Come on. Twenty people talk some shit and you call this evidence. This is the traditional way of western "evidence" gathering!

What are you talking about? These are human rights organizations reporting the abuses. Assad is a mass murderer, just like his father. Actually he's probably worse. The only person you're fooling is yourself.

Stop your bullshit and tell me how many weeks the Israeli government shelled Gaza in 2014 and how many people, especially children, it killed doing so. You point at others using your lies? Here comes your truth, so shut up:

"Between 2,140 and 2,310 Gazans were killed (including 513 children) and between 10,626 and 10,895 (including 3000 children, see Independent article) were wounded."
"The Gaza Health Ministry, UN and some human rights groups reported that 69–75% of the Palestinian casualties were civilians; Israeli officials estimated that around 50% of those killed were civilians."
2014 Israel Gaza conflict - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"The UN estimates that more than 20,000 homes have been reduced to rubble or rendered uninhabitable and workers are racing to avert humanitarian crisis by fixing damaged water mains and power lines.
According to the United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNRWA), more than 300,000 Gazans had been sheltering in its schools on Tuesday and up to 500,000 people have been displaced by the conflict."
Israel-Gaza conflict 50-day war by numbers - Middle East - World - The Independent

Your propaganda of the Euro note is not appreciated

fraudulent making or altering of euro notes is a crime

Did you do a screen shot and try to buy something? Just can't keep you out of trouble.

 

[montelatici]

How does Hezbollah oppress Christians in Lebanon? You haven't a clue about the Lebanese civil war. The sides and factions in the war were diverse. For example, the Shia (now called Hezbollah) were fighting against the PLO in the south and many Shia were in the Christian led SLA (Southern Lebanese Army). I happen to know quite a bit about the Lebanese civil war. I was with the U.S. Army, stationed in Saudi Arabia when the civil war started, in fact, I was on a C-141 that was planning to land in Beirut in December of 1975 which had to turn around and return to Jeddah because of the artillery fire on the airport.. You are just an ignorant little prick that makes things up.

Ha ha. One of the most ignorant propagandists on the board calling others ignorant.

Fact: Hezbollah is a shiite Islamist terrorist organization funded and directed by Iran and Syria that has taken over Lebanon by force, and turned what was once a secular tolerant society into an intolerant Islamic cesspool that is governed by shariah law.

Fact: Hezbollah and Syrias assad have been found guilty of the pro Western anti Islamist very popular Christian president. Hezbollah is now the equivalent of a Shiite ISIS that is holding the entire nation of Lebanon hostage, and oppressing and killing all those that stand in their way and theirs erosion of Shiite Islamic supremacist ideology.

The fact that you won't acknowledge these basic well known and internationally accepted facts about Hezbollah indicates that you're a scumbag liar - Jew hating asshole, full of bullshit and false propoganda.

You don't know what you are talking about. Maronites are more likely to be allies of the Shia than the Sunnis. The Lebanese political landscape is very complex, and Hezbollah is, counter to your ridiculous claims, a mortal enemy of ISIS.

And, it is you who only propagate propaganda. You have never in all your time here ever posted anything resembling a reasoned argument for your position. Just propaganda.

You are Zionist mouthpiece. You see Jew haters everywhere, any one who disagrees with you is a Jew hater. If one supports the secular government of Syria as opposed to the Islamists, because in that fight you support the Islamists whose weakening of the Syrian government is good for Israel, you accuse that person of being a Jew hater. You are a Zionist freak that would have Christians and Westerners slaughtered if it soemhow helped Israel.

By the way, read this piece linked below to learn a little bit about Lebanese politics before opening your ignorant mouth.


" the Maronite Free Patriotic Movement accused Rifi of protecting Sunni co-religionists even when they are members of ISIS."

Google

Read what I wrote again moron, you are simply repeating what I said. Hezbollah is a mortal enemy of ISIS because they are Shiite, of course, but they practice the same Islamist supremacist expansionist ideology. By claiming that Hezbollah does not oppress or kill Lebanese Christians, it is you that is proving your ignorance, moron.

Yeah right. Hezbollah does not practice supremacist expansionist "ideology" you clown. Where have they "expanded to"? You are confusing them with Israel. Hezbollah merely defends its home base in the south of Lebanon and south Beirut from expansionist Jews of Israel and expansionist Sunnis like Al Nousra, ISIS etc.



"In Hezbollah stronghold, Lebanese Christians find respect, stability

In a Christian home in a Shiite suburb of Beirut, images of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah share mantel and wall space with the Virgin Mary."

In Hezbollah stronghold Lebanese Christians find respect stability - CSMonitor.com

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS
"RAS BAALBEK, Lebanon—Rifaat Nasrallah sits impatiently on a sofa in his home in the small village of Ras Baalbek sipping coffee and chain smoking Marlboro Lights. A handgun casually stuck in the waistband of his jeans, he says he’s only in town briefly; these days he’s been spending more and more time in the hills just outside his living room window, where he commands an all-Christian militia that he credits for keeping Islamist militants in neighboring Syria at bay.

In the doorway above him hangs a needlepoint portrait of the Virgin Mary, while on the mantle sits a framed photograph of the founder of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, with whom he shares a last name.....One of Nasrallah’s deputies, a man asked to only be identified as George, argues that Hezbollah is a natural ally for the country’s Christians. “It’s not about religion anymore,” he says. “We are sharing a common enemy now—ISIS is trying to kill both of us.”

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS - The Daily Beast

"An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon’s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country"

"A recent poll by the Beirut Center for Research and Information (BCRI) found that two thirds (62.6%) of Lebanese Christians feel that, contrary to its vilification by members of the NATO alliance, Hizbullah has in fact protected their country from its most determined enemies—Israel, IS (known locally as Da‘ash), and Wahhabi-style terrorist groups linked to the Syria-Iraq conflagration."

An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Hezbollah is the proxy army of Iran's supremacist Islamists expanding their influence into other nations. They already conquered Lebanon, now they are working on Yemen. This is your beloved Hezbollah that Assad supports:

Hezbollah was largely formed with the aid of the Ayatollah Khomeini's followers in the early eighties in order to spread Islamic revolution and follows a distinct version of Islamic Shia ideology ("Willayat Al-Faqih") developed by the Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Hezbollah (as well as the political/religious leaders of Iran) believe that the destruction of Israel will bring about the "reappearance of the Imam (the Shiite Islamic Messiah)". These issues exist independently of Israeli treatment of Palestinians or even the existence of the State of Israel.

Hebollah rules in concert with Christians, Sunnis, Druze and other sects and parties in Lebanon. Hezbollah has not conquered Lebanon you silly goose. As far as Iran it seems that rather than attacking anyone, Iran was and is being attacked, sanctioned, their ally Syria is being attacked etc. You don't read the news?

As far as Israel is concerned, it's not my concern or germane to this thread. But if I may comment, many pro-Israeli posters here deny the existence of the Palestinians as a people, much less contemplate the future existence of a Palestine for non-Jews. In fact, many if not most propose the destruction of Palestine through the ethnic cleansing (or genocide) of the non-Jews from Eretz Israel as they call it. Is that much different from what you claim Hezbollah is doing?

 

[Roudy]

Monte----you are paul rand are in excellent company----
the Russians love the BAATHISTS too

And you support Al Nousra and ISIS versus the secular Baathists, I, on the other hand, will take the secular side every time.

Ha ha ha. You are a joke. Secular Adab Nazi mass murderers who sponsor Islamic terrorists. That's what Sadam and Assad did, moron. Assad sponsors Hezbollah while Sadam helped Hamas and other Islamic radicals. In fact he would send $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers.

Take a hike, and take your ignorant bullshit with you.

We are not discussing Israel. We are discussing secular governments versus religious fundamentalist governments. Of course Assad supports Hezbollah, they are the only group that has proven capable of defending Lebanon from Israeli invasions and occupation.

Your grammar and syntax clearly puts you in the poorly educated category, is that why you are unable to respond to any post without hurling personal abuse. Is it frustration with your lack of eloquence in conveying your thoughts To most neutral observers you appear to have an emotional problem.

So Assad supported an islamist terrorist group which took over Lebanon, a secular nation and imposed a shiite fundamentalist govt and shariah law on the Christians.

You phony baloney bullshit artist. You can't bring yourself to admit that Islamists like Hezbollah are the enemies of Christisns today.

Fact: Hezbollah and Assad assassinated Lebanon's Christian leader because he wanted to establish a more secular pro Western country.

Now go eat some more shiite.

 

[Roudy]

Ha ha. One of the most ignorant propagandists on the board calling others ignorant.

Fact: Hezbollah is a shiite Islamist terrorist organization funded and directed by Iran and Syria that has taken over Lebanon by force, and turned what was once a secular tolerant society into an intolerant Islamic cesspool that is governed by shariah law.

Fact: Hezbollah and Syrias assad have been found guilty of the pro Western anti Islamist very popular Christian president. Hezbollah is now the equivalent of a Shiite ISIS that is holding the entire nation of Lebanon hostage, and oppressing and killing all those that stand in their way and theirs erosion of Shiite Islamic supremacist ideology.

The fact that you won't acknowledge these basic well known and internationally accepted facts about Hezbollah indicates that you're a scumbag liar - Jew hating asshole, full of bullshit and false propoganda.

You don't know what you are talking about. Maronites are more likely to be allies of the Shia than the Sunnis. The Lebanese political landscape is very complex, and Hezbollah is, counter to your ridiculous claims, a mortal enemy of ISIS.

And, it is you who only propagate propaganda. You have never in all your time here ever posted anything resembling a reasoned argument for your position. Just propaganda.

You are Zionist mouthpiece. You see Jew haters everywhere, any one who disagrees with you is a Jew hater. If one supports the secular government of Syria as opposed to the Islamists, because in that fight you support the Islamists whose weakening of the Syrian government is good for Israel, you accuse that person of being a Jew hater. You are a Zionist freak that would have Christians and Westerners slaughtered if it soemhow helped Israel.

By the way, read this piece linked below to learn a little bit about Lebanese politics before opening your ignorant mouth.


" the Maronite Free Patriotic Movement accused Rifi of protecting Sunni co-religionists even when they are members of ISIS."

Google

Read what I wrote again moron, you are simply repeating what I said. Hezbollah is a mortal enemy of ISIS because they are Shiite, of course, but they practice the same Islamist supremacist expansionist ideology. By claiming that Hezbollah does not oppress or kill Lebanese Christians, it is you that is proving your ignorance, moron.

Yeah right. Hezbollah does not practice supremacist expansionist "ideology" you clown. Where have they "expanded to"? You are confusing them with Israel. Hezbollah merely defends its home base in the south of Lebanon and south Beirut from expansionist Jews of Israel and expansionist Sunnis like Al Nousra, ISIS etc.



"In Hezbollah stronghold, Lebanese Christians find respect, stability

In a Christian home in a Shiite suburb of Beirut, images of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah share mantel and wall space with the Virgin Mary."

In Hezbollah stronghold Lebanese Christians find respect stability - CSMonitor.com

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS
"RAS BAALBEK, Lebanon—Rifaat Nasrallah sits impatiently on a sofa in his home in the small village of Ras Baalbek sipping coffee and chain smoking Marlboro Lights. A handgun casually stuck in the waistband of his jeans, he says he’s only in town briefly; these days he’s been spending more and more time in the hills just outside his living room window, where he commands an all-Christian militia that he credits for keeping Islamist militants in neighboring Syria at bay.

In the doorway above him hangs a needlepoint portrait of the Virgin Mary, while on the mantle sits a framed photograph of the founder of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, with whom he shares a last name.....One of Nasrallah’s deputies, a man asked to only be identified as George, argues that Hezbollah is a natural ally for the country’s Christians. “It’s not about religion anymore,” he says. “We are sharing a common enemy now—ISIS is trying to kill both of us.”

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS - The Daily Beast

"An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon’s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country"

"A recent poll by the Beirut Center for Research and Information (BCRI) found that two thirds (62.6%) of Lebanese Christians feel that, contrary to its vilification by members of the NATO alliance, Hizbullah has in fact protected their country from its most determined enemies—Israel, IS (known locally as Da‘ash), and Wahhabi-style terrorist groups linked to the Syria-Iraq conflagration."

An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names

Hezbollah is the proxy army of Iran's supremacist Islamists expanding their influence into other nations. They already conquered Lebanon, now they are working on Yemen. This is your beloved Hezbollah that Assad supports:

Hezbollah was largely formed with the aid of the Ayatollah Khomeini's followers in the early eighties in order to spread Islamic revolution and follows a distinct version of Islamic Shia ideology ("Willayat Al-Faqih") developed by the Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Hezbollah (as well as the political/religious leaders of Iran) believe that the destruction of Israel will bring about the "reappearance of the Imam (the Shiite Islamic Messiah)". These issues exist independently of Israeli treatment of Palestinians or even the existence of the State of Israel.

Hebollah rules in concert with Christians, Sunnis, Druze and other sects and parties in Lebanon. Hezbollah has not conquered Lebanon you silly goose. As far as Iran it seems that rather than attacking anyone, Iran was and is being attacked, sanctioned, their ally Syria is being attacked etc. You don't read the news?

As far as Israel is concerned, it's not my concern or germane to this thread. But if I may comment, many pro-Israeli posters here deny the existence of the Palestinians as a people, much less contemplate the future existence of a Palestine for non-Jews. In fact, many if not most propose the destruction of Palestine through the ethnic cleansing (or genocide) of the non-Jews from Eretz Israel as they call it. Is that much different from what you claim Hezbollah is doing?

Yes. You're not even close. That's why Hezbollah threatened armed conflict when UN wanted to bring them to court for the assassination of Lebanon's president. And Assad the mass murderer backed them up.

Ethnic cleansing blah blah blah. You keep accusing Jews of things Muslims are guilty of, convert. Ethnic cleanising is what Palestinian animals did in Lebanon when they brutally murdered tens of thousands of Christians. Another fact you refuse to admit.

 

[Roudy]

The only difference between Syria and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and other close U.S. allies, is that Syria has a secular government that protects the rights of the minorities. All of those U.S. allies have far more repressive regimes than the Syrian government, and are religious nutters to boot. Your brainwashed ignorance makes you the "joke".

The only difference between Syria and the other Arab countries is that Syria supports shiite Islamic terrorists behind the scenes while the Arabs support Sunni terrorists. Of course, Assad is committing mass murder on his people while Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain are not.

Other than that, same shiite, different group of terrorists being supported.

 

[montelatici]

You don't know what you are talking about. Maronites are more likely to be allies of the Shia than the Sunnis. The Lebanese political landscape is very complex, and Hezbollah is, counter to your ridiculous claims, a mortal enemy of ISIS.

And, it is you who only propagate propaganda. You have never in all your time here ever posted anything resembling a reasoned argument for your position. Just propaganda.

You are Zionist mouthpiece. You see Jew haters everywhere, any one who disagrees with you is a Jew hater. If one supports the secular government of Syria as opposed to the Islamists, because in that fight you support the Islamists whose weakening of the Syrian government is good for Israel, you accuse that person of being a Jew hater. You are a Zionist freak that would have Christians and Westerners slaughtered if it soemhow helped Israel.

By the way, read this piece linked below to learn a little bit about Lebanese politics before opening your ignorant mouth.


" the Maronite Free Patriotic Movement accused Rifi of protecting Sunni co-religionists even when they are members of ISIS."

Google

Read what I wrote again moron, you are simply repeating what I said. Hezbollah is a mortal enemy of ISIS because they are Shiite, of course, but they practice the same Islamist supremacist expansionist ideology. By claiming that Hezbollah does not oppress or kill Lebanese Christians, it is you that is proving your ignorance, moron.

Yeah right. Hezbollah does not practice supremacist expansionist "ideology" you clown. Where have they "expanded to"? You are confusing them with Israel. Hezbollah merely defends its home base in the south of Lebanon and south Beirut from expansionist Jews of Israel and expansionist Sunnis like Al Nousra, ISIS etc.



"In Hezbollah stronghold, Lebanese Christians find respect, stability

In a Christian home in a Shiite suburb of Beirut, images of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah share mantel and wall space with the Virgin Mary."

In Hezbollah stronghold Lebanese Christians find respect stability - CSMonitor.com

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS
"RAS BAALBEK, Lebanon—Rifaat Nasrallah sits impatiently on a sofa in his home in the small village of Ras Baalbek sipping coffee and chain smoking Marlboro Lights. A handgun casually stuck in the waistband of his jeans, he says he’s only in town briefly; these days he’s been spending more and more time in the hills just outside his living room window, where he commands an all-Christian militia that he credits for keeping Islamist militants in neighboring Syria at bay.

In the doorway above him hangs a needlepoint portrait of the Virgin Mary, while on the mantle sits a framed photograph of the founder of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah, with whom he shares a last name.....One of Nasrallah’s deputies, a man asked to only be identified as George, argues that Hezbollah is a natural ally for the country’s Christians. “It’s not about religion anymore,” he says. “We are sharing a common enemy now—ISIS is trying to kill both of us.”

Lebanese Christians Gun Up Against ISIS - The Daily Beast

"An Overwhelming Majority of Lebanon’s Christians Believe Hizbullah Protects Their Country"

"A recent poll by the Beirut Center for Research and Information (BCRI) found that two thirds (62.6%) of Lebanese Christians feel that, contrary to its vilification by members of the NATO alliance, Hizbullah has in fact protected their country from its most determined enemies—Israel, IS (known locally as Da‘ash), and Wahhabi-style terrorist groups linked to the Syria-Iraq conflagration."

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Hezbollah is the proxy army of Iran's supremacist Islamists expanding their influence into other nations. They already conquered Lebanon, now they are working on Yemen. This is your beloved Hezbollah that Assad supports:

Hezbollah was largely formed with the aid of the Ayatollah Khomeini's followers in the early eighties in order to spread Islamic revolution and follows a distinct version of Islamic Shia ideology ("Willayat Al-Faqih") developed by the Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Hezbollah (as well as the political/religious leaders of Iran) believe that the destruction of Israel will bring about the "reappearance of the Imam (the Shiite Islamic Messiah)". These issues exist independently of Israeli treatment of Palestinians or even the existence of the State of Israel.

Hebollah rules in concert with Christians, Sunnis, Druze and other sects and parties in Lebanon. Hezbollah has not conquered Lebanon you silly goose. As far as Iran it seems that rather than attacking anyone, Iran was and is being attacked, sanctioned, their ally Syria is being attacked etc. You don't read the news?

As far as Israel is concerned, it's not my concern or germane to this thread. But if I may comment, many pro-Israeli posters here deny the existence of the Palestinians as a people, much less contemplate the future existence of a Palestine for non-Jews. In fact, many if not most propose the destruction of Palestine through the ethnic cleansing (or genocide) of the non-Jews from Eretz Israel as they call it. Is that much different from what you claim Hezbollah is doing?

Yes. You're not even close. That's why Hezbollah threatened armed conflict when UN wanted to bring them to court for the assassination of Lebanon's president. And Assad the mass murderer backed them up.

Ethnic cleansing blah blah blah. You keep accusing Jews of things Muslims are guilty of, convert. Ethnic cleanising is what Palestinian animals did in Lebanon when they brutally murdered tens of thousands of Christians. Another fact you refuse to admit.

It was a civil war, that's what happens in civil wars unfortunately. The Palestinians were no more "animals" as you call them in your Nazi manner, than any other group in the civil war, including the Israelis who invaded in 1982, in the middle of the war.

 

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The only difference between Syria and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and other close U.S. allies, is that Syria has a secular government that protects the rights of the minorities. All of those U.S. allies have far more repressive regimes than the Syrian government, and are religious nutters to boot. Your brainwashed ignorance makes you the "joke".

The only difference between Syria and the other Arab countries is that Syria supports shiite Islamic terrorists behind the scenes while the Arabs support Sunni terrorists. Of course, Assad is committing mass murder on his people while Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Bahrain are not.

Other than that, same shiite, different group of terrorists being supported.

Mass-murder? There is a civil war going on in Syria, in which Saudi Arabia and other Sunni states have armed and financed the rebels, against the secular Syrian government, of course there are going to be deaths. Do you believe that Al Nousra and ISIS are not doing any killing in Syria?

Who are these Shiite "terrorists" supported by Syria terrorizing besides ISIS and Al Nousra? You can be sure that if Iran began supporting and arming the Shia in Saudi, for example, the Saudi's would be far harsher on the "rebels" than the Syrian government is, while defending itself.