Assault Weapons Ban would be unconstitutional. "A State Militia must be maintained and well regulated"

[danielpalos]

Your point?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

The militia has to handle gun-grabbing idiots like you as domestic enemies.

Only the "lazy" unorganized militia complains about gun controls laws.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

you're an ill-informed idiot out of his league maybe you should stick with making tacos in Mexico

Says the guy fresh off the boat from Unitary government Europe. Where is your immigration visa from the native Americans?

 

[danielpalos]

Not at all. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and regulate them well.

Since "regulate" means protect, facilitate, and keep regular, then I agree completely.

Unfortunately for you and those of your point of view; the law already covers and preempts your special pleading.

Besides, this is what it refers to: control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

no it does not mean control by the government
Tyrants love idiots like you

In right-wing fantasy, you are Always Right. Besides, it is right-wingers who make the best Russian tools.

In the real world, this is a controlling law of Government:

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Why did George Washington allow the whiskey rebellers to keep their firearms?

Because they promised to change their right wing ways.

 

[danielpalos]

we have a first because of the second

The Second is about the security of a free State not individuals.

 

[Lesh]

I just proved to you that there can be two separate thoughts separated by a comma in one sentence which is the issue that was being discussed in that line in the 2nd amendment

Two unrelated ideas CAN be in the same sentence, but that makes that sentence gibberish (as per the example noted above)

The Constitution is not known for gibberish

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The unorganized militia is NOT owned or in anyway governed by the state.
It is mainly for personal home defense, in a time and place where there were no police and lots of threats.
When the state calls up from the unorganized militia, for a posse as an example, that is then the Organized Militia.
When ever any government calls up people for mandatory duty, that is organized militia.
The unorganized militia when when individuals protect their home by themselves.

And since the meaning of "regulating" in Founders terminology means to facilitate, then the governor of Michigan would be helping the unorganized militia by making them more regular. I am sure they would not mind being given a few machine guns.

Where do you get your right wing propaganda and rhetoric?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

So who removes a tyrant when they control the military?

Not Individuals of the People who are unconnected with the Militia. Congress has the power to impeach and remove even the chief magistrate of the Union.

Wrong.
Individual are superior to any body of government.
Not only are inherent individual rights the only legal basis for government, but all governments (in a democratic republic), are always created by the people. The people can not create that which is superior to them.
Doesn't matter if they are connected or unconnected with the organized militia, because as you keep pointing out, the People and the Militia are one in the same.

Congress does not have any power.
If the military goes corrupt, there is nothing congress will be able to do about it.
But the reality is that Congress is likely the most corrupt of all.
For example, it is congress that started every single illegal war the US has been in, which is about all of them since the War of 1812.

You have a First Amendment; gun lovers simply prefer to be Rebels without a Cause.

we have a first because of the second

Wrong.

It’s the First Amendment that keeps us free, not the Second Amendment.

The Second Amendment has nothing to do with ‘preventing tyranny’ – the Second Amendment safeguards the individual right to possess a firearm pursuant to lawful self-defense.

And that is as wrong as anyone can get.
I tell you what you do go to someone who is using their second amendment right and you armed with only your first amendment right and see who comes out on top?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

we have a first because of the second

The Second is about the security of a free State not individuals.

the second amendment is an individual right protected by the government they cannot infringe on it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The unorganized militia is NOT owned or in anyway governed by the state.
It is mainly for personal home defense, in a time and place where there were no police and lots of threats.
When the state calls up from the unorganized militia, for a posse as an example, that is then the Organized Militia.
When ever any government calls up people for mandatory duty, that is organized militia.
The unorganized militia when when individuals protect their home by themselves.

And since the meaning of "regulating" in Founders terminology means to facilitate, then the governor of Michigan would be helping the unorganized militia by making them more regular. I am sure they would not mind being given a few machine guns.

Where do you get your right wing propaganda and rhetoric?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

So who removes a tyrant when they control the military?

Not Individuals of the People who are unconnected with the Militia. Congress has the power to impeach and remove even the chief magistrate of the Union.

Tyrants are only removed by force because they control the military

We have a form of democracy. Abolish your worthless and alleged and fake news, wars on crime, drugs, and terror so no tyrants will apply.

We have a republic that protects the rights of the individual that prevent's a democracy from depriving them of their individual rights.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Unquestionably an absolute right pertaining to each and every individual.

Sure, when required by the security of our free States.

Moron

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So what. You have no valid rebuttal, regardless of how many thoughts are in one sentence. All you have is nothing but diversion which is usually considered a fallacy.

I just proved to you that there can be two separate thoughts separated by a comma in one sentence which is the issue that was being discussed in that line in the 2nd amendment that you Marxists would like to re-define so you can confiscate guns from law abiding citizens. You keep avoiding the fact you got your ass handed to you. You fuckers are so desperate you want to pick on a fucking comma......

They are not that separate, if that is what you mean. Context matters. The first clause is clearly about what is necessary to the security of a free State. It is the End, not the Means.

One end does not imply there are not other goals as well.
Nor does it matter, because the means is supposed to be no federal gun laws. Period.

Not at all. There are no Individual or Singular terms in our Second Amendment; the security of a free State is collective and plural.

you're misinformed Mexican

 

[Esdraelon]

You all know where the U.S. government , and many Politicians are headed. They eventually want to confiscate all rifles and handguns from all citizens somewhere down the road. As part of the United Nations one world government takeover of the entire Earth.New World Order. This is what the Gun control people , and groups won't tell you.

This is a lie.

No it isn't. That's why the new anti-gun laws are going through Congress as we speak. Registration, registration will be public information, etc.

Sounds like fun. What personal property of YOURS can we put on a public database for all to see? Only a hypocritical POS would expect gun owners to essentially be "DOXXED" and they and their families potentially targeted but refuse to accept the same rules for themselves and their loved ones. So... which of your possessions can we list publicly?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You all know where the U.S. government , and many Politicians are headed. They eventually want to confiscate all rifles and handguns from all citizens somewhere down the road. As part of the United Nations one world government takeover of the entire Earth.New World Order. This is what the Gun control people , and groups won't tell you.

This is a lie.

No it isn't. That's why the new anti-gun laws are going through Congress as we speak. Registration, registration will be public information, etc.

Sounds like fun. What personal property of YOURS can we put on a public database for all to see? Only a hypocritical POS would expect gun owners to essentially be "DOXXED" and they and their families potentially targeted but refuse to accept the same rules for themselves and their loved ones. So... which of your possessions can we list publicly?

Well it's true but I don't understand your question. wIld Bill isn't in support of what you suggest. He's pointing out that the registration would be public information.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

ONLY right wingers want gun control, so they can control the population by force and intimidation.

I would argue that it is only authoritarians (up v. down, not L v. R.). Authoritarian right and left both do not serve the interests of people.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your point?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

The militia has to handle gun-grabbing idiots like you as domestic enemies.

Only the "lazy" unorganized militia complains about gun controls laws.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

you're an ill-informed idiot out of his league maybe you should stick with making tacos in Mexico

Says the guy fresh off the boat from Unitary government Europe. Where is your immigration visa from the native Americans?

If you knew anything bout who was here first you wouldn't sound like an idiot

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not at all. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and regulate them well.

Since "regulate" means protect, facilitate, and keep regular, then I agree completely.

Unfortunately for you and those of your point of view; the law already covers and preempts your special pleading.

Besides, this is what it refers to: control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

no it does not mean control by the government
Tyrants love idiots like you

In right-wing fantasy, you are Always Right. Besides, it is right-wingers who make the best Russian tools.

In the real world, this is a controlling law of Government:

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Why did George Washington allow the whiskey rebellers to keep their firearms?

Because they promised to change their right wing ways.

moron just going to be a moron

 

[danielpalos]

And that is as wrong as anyone can get.
I tell you what you do go to someone who is using their second amendment right and you armed with only your first amendment right and see who comes out on top?

Criminals of the People get Infringed all the time.

 

[danielpalos]

we have a first because of the second

The Second is about the security of a free State not individuals.

the second amendment is an individual right protected by the government they cannot infringe on it.

No, it isn't. It is about the security of our free States. It says so in the first clause.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a republic that protects the rights of the individual that prevent's a democracy from depriving them of their individual rights.

Nothing to do with our Second Amendment.

 

[danielpalos]

Unquestionably an absolute right pertaining to each and every individual.

Sure, when required by the security of our free States.

Moron

Right wing fantasist.

 

[danielpalos]

you're misinformed Mexican

You are even more misinformed, Unitary government European.

 

[danielpalos]

Your point?

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

The militia has to handle gun-grabbing idiots like you as domestic enemies.

Only the "lazy" unorganized militia complains about gun controls laws.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

you're an ill-informed idiot out of his league maybe you should stick with making tacos in Mexico

Says the guy fresh off the boat from Unitary government Europe. Where is your immigration visa from the native Americans?

If you knew anything bout who was here first you wouldn't sound like an idiot

It wasn't Unitary government Europeans.