Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[jc456]

Stupid ass, you do an armed occupation of federal property, and you are committing a felony. So the assholes were felons, and the police had ever right to stop and arrest them.

again, they were no threat, and killing someone on a snow bank with no gun is murder. sorry charlie.

 

[jc456]

Had any of the protesters resisted arrest, fled from authorities, been suspected of carrying a gun, and reached for it, they too would have been shot too.

so since none of that happened, why was the dude shot?

so being suspected of carrying a gun is why the use of deadly force was authorized

that certainly does not appear to be lawful

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

for trespassing

the order to use deadly force needs to be made public

it will be in time

Since the felons were armed, and had threatened to use deadly force if anyone tried to arrest them, there was no need for an order to use deadly force.

they never said that.

 

[jc456]

Yes, they said plane, the problem is planes Don't hover. So Sherlock, how do you suppose their magic plane did that.

The plane doesn't hover.

Have you forgotten already? You're a fucking retard.

Dude I watched many minutes of the video and the camera shot never changed. Again, give me a plane that can do that?

You forget, you're a fucking retard. The plane never hovers. When the vehicle was moving, the plane was following it. When the vehicle was still, the plane circled around it.

hahahaahahahahahahahaahhaahaha too funny a plane can now go 60 miles an hour and fly? Oh and when the car is in a snow bank can hover for three minutes.

Now jc, once again you are demonstrating how painfully ignorant you are.

J3 Cub

Carrying a single pilot and no passenger, the L-4 had a top speed of 85 mph (137 km/h), a cruise speed of 75 mph (121 km/h), a service ceiling of 12,000 ft (3,658 m), a stall speed of38 mph (61 km/h), an endurance of three hours, and a range of 225 mi (362 km)

And that is one not altered for STOL..

can it hover?

 

[jon_berzerk]

so since none of that happened, why was the dude shot?

so being suspected of carrying a gun is why the use of deadly force was authorized

that certainly does not appear to be lawful

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

for trespassing

the order to use deadly force needs to be made public

it will be in time

Since the felons were armed, and had threatened to use deadly force if anyone tried to arrest them, there was no need for an order to use deadly force.

they never said that.

he indeed is lying about that

and there still needs to be an authorization to use deadly force

they way the roadblock was established indicates the order was given

 

[jc456]

so since none of that happened, why was the dude shot?

so being suspected of carrying a gun is why the use of deadly force was authorized

that certainly does not appear to be lawful

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

for trespassing

the order to use deadly force needs to be made public

it will be in time

well they were in their vehicles, how is that trespassing. And how is that probable cause for shooting someone on a public road unarmed?

they had been trespassing

but they weren't trespassing when they were driving. It was handled very badly and they murdered one unarmed.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The plane doesn't hover.

Have you forgotten already? You're a fucking retard.

Dude I watched many minutes of the video and the camera shot never changed. Again, give me a plane that can do that?

You forget, you're a fucking retard. The plane never hovers. When the vehicle was moving, the plane was following it. When the vehicle was still, the plane circled around it.

hahahaahahahahahahahaahhaahaha too funny a plane can now go 60 miles an hour and fly? Oh and when the car is in a snow bank can hover for three minutes.

Now jc, once again you are demonstrating how painfully ignorant you are.

J3 Cub

Carrying a single pilot and no passenger, the L-4 had a top speed of 85 mph (137 km/h), a cruise speed of 75 mph (121 km/h), a service ceiling of 12,000 ft (3,658 m), a stall speed of38 mph (61 km/h), an endurance of three hours, and a range of 225 mi (362 km)

And that is one not altered for STOL..

can it hover?

almost

but an unlikely aircraft

since it cant carry much of any weight

and has a very limited range 150 miles or less

j3 cubs work good for flying low slow to the ground

checking power lines and such

 

[jon_berzerk]

so being suspected of carrying a gun is why the use of deadly force was authorized

that certainly does not appear to be lawful

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

for trespassing

the order to use deadly force needs to be made public

it will be in time

well they were in their vehicles, how is that trespassing. And how is that probable cause for shooting someone on a public road unarmed?

they had been trespassing

but they weren't trespassing when they were driving. It was handled very badly and they murdered one unarmed.

yes the did trespass though

and they spend away from a police stop

but that does not indicate the use of deadly force

 

[jc456]

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

for trespassing

the order to use deadly force needs to be made public

it will be in time

well they were in their vehicles, how is that trespassing. And how is that probable cause for shooting someone on a public road unarmed?

they had been trespassing

but they weren't trespassing when they were driving. It was handled very badly and they murdered one unarmed.

yes the did trespass though

and they spend away from a police stop

but that does not indicate the use of deadly force

how long did he sit in the street before he left? It was a while. And speed? What's the limit there? what did they say he was doing, 60 miles an hour? hmmmm, that ain't someone fleeing, that's someone driving.

 

[Camp]

for trespassing

the order to use deadly force needs to be made public

it will be in time

well they were in their vehicles, how is that trespassing. And how is that probable cause for shooting someone on a public road unarmed?

they had been trespassing

but they weren't trespassing when they were driving. It was handled very badly and they murdered one unarmed.

yes the did trespass though

and they spend away from a police stop

but that does not indicate the use of deadly force

how long did he sit in the street before he left? It was a while. And speed? What's the limit there? what did they say he was doing, 60 miles an hour? hmmmm, that ain't someone fleeing, that's someone driving.

Was Slow Draw Festus a retard? Even a stupid ass knows that when the cops have you stopped with red and blue lights flashing you are supposed to sit still and await instructions. Maybe if he watched a few episodes of the TV show COPS that has been showed for twenty years several times a day every day of the week he would have known what to do when the Cops stop you.

 

[jc456]

well they were in their vehicles, how is that trespassing. And how is that probable cause for shooting someone on a public road unarmed?

they had been trespassing

but they weren't trespassing when they were driving. It was handled very badly and they murdered one unarmed.

yes the did trespass though

and they spend away from a police stop

but that does not indicate the use of deadly force

how long did he sit in the street before he left? It was a while. And speed? What's the limit there? what did they say he was doing, 60 miles an hour? hmmmm, that ain't someone fleeing, that's someone driving.

Was Slow Draw Festus a retard? Even a stupid ass knows that when the cops have you stopped with red and blue lights flashing you are supposed to sit still and await instructions. Maybe if he watched a few episodes of the TV show COPS that has been showed for twenty years several times a day every day of the week he would have known what to do when the Cops stop you.

so you're saying that when one is asked to obey the instructions from a cop it's ok to shoot em if they don't? Is that what you're saying? I want to make sure of my next post.

 

[Faun]

Didn't have to. I saw Finicum make a motion as though he was reaching for one. Also considering he typically had a gun on him during videos taken of him while at the refuge... given another passenger in the car said some of them were carrying sidearms... ...given Finicum said he wouldn't be taken alive... given the police and FBI said they found a gun on him -- only a complete fucking idiot would believe you over them.

Capiche?

witnesses say he was shot while his hands had been up

where he was reaching is not where his inside pocket is located

There was one eye witness who said that. Not witnesses. There were multiple witnesses who said he was shot when he lowered his hands in a reaching movement.

yes and the fbi added he was reaching for a gun that they did not see

it is obvious he was going for his waistline

not where the pocket opening is

the report by Deshutes Major incident team will be interesting

when we get to hear the audio and radio traffic

dash cams and the vehicle

Post the report where you read he was reaching for his waisteline.... let me in on the joke.

so now the video is too grainy to see that as well

Damn, nice deflection. You claimed that reports said he was reaching towards his waistband. Post the report when you read that...

 

[Faun]

So, let's see if I can put another twist on the assholes in Oregon. Sure the last four should have come out a long time ago, but I have to wonder about this dated Feb 3:

OPB reached out to the camp at 1:30 p.m., per the scheduled check-in, but the line was busy and remained so.

At 2:15 p.m., OPB received a call from a blocked number. The anonymous caller said that all lines of communication to the militants still inside the refuge had been cut at 12:50 p.m. and that further calls and updates would not be possible. The caller declined multiple requests to identify himself.

Link: Last Line Of Communication With Militants Cut

I understand the reasoning, but isn't this a bit of more overstepping? To localize your personal cell phone and cut it off and/or monitor it so closely? Did they get a court order to do so? Shouldn't they need to?

And then there's this, Feb 6:

The new lighted sign changes from “Road Closed” to “No Unlawful Entry” to “Subject To Arrest.”

and:

Reporters looking into the closed-off area from a nearby hill could observe what looked like multiple roadblocks along the road to the refuge headquarters.

Link: Police Add Warning To Refuge Roadblock

So cut off all communications and then keep the press miles away?

Yep, freedom of speech down there is dead.

They are felons in the commission of a crime. They have no rights, other than to surrender.

Sounds like OWS.

If they cleared out an OWS protest, and kept the press miles away, and shot one of the protesters.... I wonder if your opinion would be just as harsh. Doubt it.

Had any of the protesters resisted arrest, fled from authorities, been suspected of carrying a gun, and reached for it, they too would have been shot too.

so since none of that happened, why was the dude shot?

You're a fucking retard.



Every one of those applied to Finicum. That's why.

 

[Faun]

The FBI says it was a plane. I have reason to believe you over them. Plus you'll note, it was flying in circles when Finicum's vehicle was stopped.

Yes, they said plane, the problem is planes Don't hover. So Sherlock, how do you suppose their magic plane did that.

The plane doesn't hover.

Have you forgotten already? You're a fucking retard.

Dude I watched many minutes of the video and the camera shot never changed. Again, give me a plane that can do that?

You forget, you're a fucking retard. The plane never hovers. When the vehicle was moving, the plane was following it. When the vehicle was still, the plane circled around it.

hahahaahahahahahahahaahhaahaha too funny a plane can now go 60 miles an hour and fly? Oh and when the car is in a snow bank can hover for three minutes.

There was still no hovering, only circling when the vehicle was not in motion.

 

[Faun]

Yes, they said plane, the problem is planes Don't hover. So Sherlock, how do you suppose their magic plane did that.

The plane doesn't hover.

Have you forgotten already? You're a fucking retard.

Dude I watched many minutes of the video and the camera shot never changed. Again, give me a plane that can do that?

You forget, you're a fucking retard. The plane never hovers. When the vehicle was moving, the plane was following it. When the vehicle was still, the plane circled around it.

hahahaahahahahahahahaahhaahaha too funny a plane can now go 60 miles an hour and fly? Oh and when the car is in a snow bank can hover for three minutes.

could have been a helicopter i suppose

that to is an "aircraft"

but a local craft probably would not have been in zulu time

The FBI said it was in Zulu time. Whom do I believe? Thd FBI with first hand knowledge or a flaming conspiracist imbecile like you in a political forum?

Hmmm, tough choice.

Also from thd FBI...

The FBI did have a plane in the air, and what I am about to show you is a video from that plane.

... so definately not a helicopter.

 

[Faun]

They are felons in the commission of a crime. They have no rights, other than to surrender.

Sounds like OWS.

If they cleared out an OWS protest, and kept the press miles away, and shot one of the protesters.... I wonder if your opinion would be just as harsh. Doubt it.

Had any of the protesters resisted arrest, fled from authorities, been suspected of carrying a gun, and reached for it, they too would have been shot too.

so since none of that happened, why was the dude shot?

so being suspected of carrying a gun is why the use of deadly force was authorized

that certainly does not appear to be lawful

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

Law enforcement had arrest warrants stemming from their illegal occupation of the refuge. Thd traffic stop was to enforce those warrants. Most of those being arrested complied with police and were taken into custody without incident. Evidence hhf police were seeking only to arrest them. Finicum, who previously made clear he would not be taken alive, chose to make a motion of reaching for a gun just feet away from two law enforcement officers with their guns pointed directly at him.

He didn't want to be taken al8ve and he knew full well the consequences of reaching for a weapon at that moment.

He got what he wanted.

Suicide by cop.

 

[Faun]

Stupid ass, you do an armed occupation of federal property, and you are committing a felony. So the assholes were felons, and the police had ever right to stop and arrest them.

again, they were no threat, and killing someone on a snow bank with no gun is murder. sorry charlie.

You remain the fucking retard the forum has comd to recognize you are.

Any police officer is justified in using deadly force as long as they have a reasonable fear the individual or individuals they shoot are an immediate threat to their safety or the safety of others.

And in yet another aspect which eludes fucking retards such as yourself ... the threatening individual(s) don't even have to have a gun on them to be shot dead.

 

[Faun]

so being suspected of carrying a gun is why the use of deadly force was authorized

that certainly does not appear to be lawful

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

for trespassing

the order to use deadly force needs to be made public

it will be in time

Since the felons were armed, and had threatened to use deadly force if anyone tried to arrest them, there was no need for an order to use deadly force.

they never said that.

he indeed is lying about that

and there still needs to be an authorization to use deadly force

they way the roadblock was established indicates the order was given

No, there does not need to be any such authorization. Very often, a potential lethal threat emerges withoug notice, requiring a law enforcement officer to react immediately. They do not have to call in for authorization to use their gun before pulling the trigger.

 

[jc456]

Stupid ass, you do an armed occupation of federal property, and you are committing a felony. So the assholes were felons, and the police had ever right to stop and arrest them.

again, they were no threat, and killing someone on a snow bank with no gun is murder. sorry charlie.

You remain the fucking retard the forum has comd to recognize you are.

Any police officer is justified in using deadly force as long as they have a reasonable fear the individual or individuals they shoot are an immediate threat to their safety or the safety of others.

And in yet another aspect which eludes fucking retards such as yourself ... the threatening individual(s) don't even have to have a gun on them to be shot dead.

that's not true at all, they burned buildings in Ferguson and Baltimore and that's all those cops did. So tell me what is the difference between this incident and those, other than skin color?

 

[jc456]

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

for trespassing

the order to use deadly force needs to be made public

it will be in time

Since the felons were armed, and had threatened to use deadly force if anyone tried to arrest them, there was no need for an order to use deadly force.

they never said that.

he indeed is lying about that

and there still needs to be an authorization to use deadly force

they way the roadblock was established indicates the order was given

No, there does not need to be any such authorization. Very often, a potential lethal threat emerges withoug notice, requiring a law enforcement officer to react immediately. They do not have to call in for authorization to use their gun before pulling the trigger.

you mean like Ferguson, MO there? eh? hahahahhahahahahahaha

 

[jc456]

Sounds like OWS.

If they cleared out an OWS protest, and kept the press miles away, and shot one of the protesters.... I wonder if your opinion would be just as harsh. Doubt it.

Had any of the protesters resisted arrest, fled from authorities, been suspected of carrying a gun, and reached for it, they too would have been shot too.

so since none of that happened, why was the dude shot?

so being suspected of carrying a gun is why the use of deadly force was authorized

that certainly does not appear to be lawful

dude, it's called probable cause. I don't even know what they were after them for? So not sure what kind of probable cause they could have. it was a traffic stop and bang bang bang. What the fk?

Law enforcement had arrest warrants stemming from their illegal occupation of the refuge. Thd traffic stop was to enforce those warrants. Most of those being arrested complied with police and were taken into custody without incident. Evidence hhf police were seeking only to arrest them. Finicum, who previously made clear he would not be taken alive, chose to make a motion of reaching for a gun just feet away from two law enforcement officers with their guns pointed directly at him.

He didn't want to be taken al8ve and he knew full well the consequences of reaching for a weapon at that moment.

He got what he wanted.

Suicide by cop.

that seems so fk'd up it isn't even funny. so let's take this to the road instead of a controlled environment. yeah that's what I want the authorities doing,,,,, not. Especially after a fkn month.