Atheism; An Intellectual Dead End

[Czernobog]

Your comment wasn't directed at liberals, it was directed at atheists. However, since Ayn Rand was, herself, an atheist, your observation is inaccurate, at best, a lie, at worst.

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Good Lord, you have found an exception to the rule. Alleluia!. Ayn Rand is excused. Your sorry militant atheist ass is not. How's that? Putting that aside, you are invoking Ayn Rand out of context, asshat. Go back and re-read post #319 to put this in it's proper context.

Fuck you, you lying piece of shit. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't know dick about physics, atheism, or common sense. Don't you dare presume that you know anything about me, or my political ideology, and get a case of the ass with me, just be cause you have been exposed for the ignorant dishonest fucktard that you are.

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I know you better than you know yourself.

You know dick about me.

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My signature line defines you.

Well, since I am neither Communist, nor socialist, it rather doesn't. Like I said you are full of shit, and know nothing about me.

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[sealybobo]

No. I don't believe I did say that. I believe you are confused by what I said. Ayn Rand did believe that socialism worships big government and social policy. I said I believe that militant atheists worship big government and social policy and that it is based on atheism and the deification of man. Any Rand believed in objectionsim or some such bullshit, that man's self interest was noble and good or something along those lines. You guys are so desperate to win an argument you will distort anything I write to serve your purpose. I write fucking paragraphs and the best you can do is snip out little pieces to misquote and use as silly fringe arguments while you concede the rest and pretend that you addressed it to comfort your wounded and fragile egos. I have no preference for an outcome. You guys do.

Except you didn't say anything about militant atheism. You said it is , "based on atheism". There was no qualifier. You were levelling that "socialism is their religion" bullshit against atheists in general. Now that your accusation has been exposed as bullshit, you want to try to pretend you were saying something you weren't.

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Let's be honest too that atheism is probably much more compatable with unregulated free market capitalism. Greed is good, every man for himself survival of the fittest

How's that working out for you?

Condo paid off, car paid off, zero debt, savings, property, good job. I like capitalism.

I certainly don't want communism so I know you are wrong.

Saying athiesm leads to communism is like me telling you belief in God leads to homosexuality. You being the exception of course.

For your sake, I hope you are right because otherwise, you have just denied yourself.

If it's OK for a theist like you to lie its certainly OK for me.

You're no saint and neither am I. I just don't rationalize and I don't have a get out of hell free card which gives me a free pass on lying. You do.

Are you ever going to admit you are fos on your atheists are commy claim? It really would make you seem more intellectually honest

 

[ding]

Are Atheists able to use rational thought, deductive reasoning, and scrupulous logic to substantiate and legitimize their perceptions? Or are they simply lacking a perception that most people experience without the need for rationalization? Are they spiritually dumb?

Yes I'm dumber than the sheep who believe because they want to believe, have been threatened with hell and have been brainwashed since birth.

If you were raised on an island by people who didn't believe in God what age do you think you would come up with the God concept? I don't think God is something that is naturally concluded. You may contemplate a creator but at what point would you decide a heaven was logical and not wishful thinking?

In fact the person raised by non religious people might not even give this any thought. They might instead focus all their energy on living and learning things that are knowable.

Your view of religion is oversimplified and distorted. You believe it is "morals" that are learned but it isn't. It is bad behaviors that are learned.

 

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Except you didn't say anything about militant atheism. You said it is , "based on atheism". There was no qualifier. You were levelling that "socialism is their religion" bullshit against atheists in general. Now that your accusation has been exposed as bullshit, you want to try to pretend you were saying something you weren't.

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Let's be honest too that atheism is probably much more compatable with unregulated free market capitalism. Greed is good, every man for himself survival of the fittest

How's that working out for you?

Condo paid off, car paid off, zero debt, savings, property, good job. I like capitalism.

I certainly don't want communism so I know you are wrong.

Saying athiesm leads to communism is like me telling you belief in God leads to homosexuality. You being the exception of course.

For your sake, I hope you are right because otherwise, you have just denied yourself.

If it's OK for a theist like you to lie its certainly OK for me.

You're no saint and neither am I. I just don't rationalize and I don't have a get out of hell free card which gives me a free pass on lying. You do.

Are you ever going to admit you are fos on your atheists are commy claim? It really would make you seem more intellectually honest

Really? Then tell me what your political views are.

 

[sealybobo]

Your comment wasn't directed at liberals, it was directed at atheists. However, since Ayn Rand was, herself, an atheist, your observation is inaccurate, at best, a lie, at worst.

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Good Lord, you have found an exception to the rule. Alleluia!. Ayn Rand is excused. Your sorry militant atheist ass is not. How's that? Putting that aside, you are invoking Ayn Rand out of context, asshat. Go back and re-read post #319 to put this in it's proper context.

Fuck you, you lying piece of shit. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't know dick about physics, atheism, or common sense. Don't you dare presume that you know anything about me, or my political ideology, and get a case of the ass with me, just be cause you have been exposed for the ignorant dishonest fucktard that you are.

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I know you better than you know yourself.

You know dick about me.

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My signature line defines you.

What is your "signature line"?

 

[Czernobog]

Your view of religion is oversimplified and distorted.

So is your view of atheists.

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Except you didn't say anything about militant atheism. You said it is , "based on atheism". There was no qualifier. You were levelling that "socialism is their religion" bullshit against atheists in general. Now that your accusation has been exposed as bullshit, you want to try to pretend you were saying something you weren't.

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Let's be honest too that atheism is probably much more compatable with unregulated free market capitalism. Greed is good, every man for himself survival of the fittest

How's that working out for you?

Condo paid off, car paid off, zero debt, savings, property, good job. I like capitalism.

I certainly don't want communism so I know you are wrong.

Saying athiesm leads to communism is like me telling you belief in God leads to homosexuality. You being the exception of course.

For your sake, I hope you are right because otherwise, you have just denied yourself.

If it's OK for a theist like you to lie its certainly OK for me.

You're no saint and neither am I. I just don't rationalize and I don't have a get out of hell free card which gives me a free pass on lying. You do.

Are you ever going to admit you are fos on your atheists are commy claim? It really would make you seem more intellectually honest

You do rationalize. You are doing it right now.

Sorry, but reason and experience tells us that militant atheism leads to communism. Heck, Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin even say so.

 

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Good Lord, you have found an exception to the rule. Alleluia!. Ayn Rand is excused. Your sorry militant atheist ass is not. How's that? Putting that aside, you are invoking Ayn Rand out of context, asshat. Go back and re-read post #319 to put this in it's proper context.

Fuck you, you lying piece of shit. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't know dick about physics, atheism, or common sense. Don't you dare presume that you know anything about me, or my political ideology, and get a case of the ass with me, just be cause you have been exposed for the ignorant dishonest fucktard that you are.

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I know you better than you know yourself.

You know dick about me.

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My signature line defines you.

What is your "signature line"?

It is below every one of my posts.

 

[ding]

Your view of religion is oversimplified and distorted.

So is your view of atheists.

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Not really. There is a distribution. It's just that when I have discussions with the radial extreme, it gets condensed.

 

[Czernobog]

Let's be honest too that atheism is probably much more compatable with unregulated free market capitalism. Greed is good, every man for himself survival of the fittest

How's that working out for you?

Condo paid off, car paid off, zero debt, savings, property, good job. I like capitalism.

I certainly don't want communism so I know you are wrong.

Saying athiesm leads to communism is like me telling you belief in God leads to homosexuality. You being the exception of course.

For your sake, I hope you are right because otherwise, you have just denied yourself.

If it's OK for a theist like you to lie its certainly OK for me.

You're no saint and neither am I. I just don't rationalize and I don't have a get out of hell free card which gives me a free pass on lying. You do.

Are you ever going to admit you are fos on your atheists are commy claim? It really would make you seem more intellectually honest

You do rationalize. You are doing it right now.

Sorry, but reason and experience tells us that militant atheism leads to communism. Heck, Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin even say so.

See what he's doing there? Since he got called out, he wants to modify his statement with "militant", and pretend that is what he has been saying all along, even though his comments are a matter of record. This is what you get from Ding. You offer to five him the chance for intellectual honesty, but the fact is he isn't honest. He hates all atheists, and pretends he doesn't. He insists that he has no preferred outcome, all while attacking atheists, and their character.

He is a liar, and a religious zealot. Plain, and simple.

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[sealybobo]

Let's be honest too that atheism is probably much more compatable with unregulated free market capitalism. Greed is good, every man for himself survival of the fittest

How's that working out for you?

Condo paid off, car paid off, zero debt, savings, property, good job. I like capitalism.

I certainly don't want communism so I know you are wrong.

Saying athiesm leads to communism is like me telling you belief in God leads to homosexuality. You being the exception of course.

For your sake, I hope you are right because otherwise, you have just denied yourself.

If it's OK for a theist like you to lie its certainly OK for me.

You're no saint and neither am I. I just don't rationalize and I don't have a get out of hell free card which gives me a free pass on lying. You do.

Are you ever going to admit you are fos on your atheists are commy claim? It really would make you seem more intellectually honest

Really? Then tell me what your political views are.

Who cares? What are skulls and Ayn Rand's political views? So there's no connection.

And aren't Germany Canada and Australia socialist countries? They have socialized medicine and schools, right? So how long do you predict until they eventually fall into communism?

 

[Czernobog]

Your view of religion is oversimplified and distorted.

So is your view of atheists.

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Not really. There is a distribution. It's just that when I have discussions with the radial extreme, it gets condensed.

Well, you think that, anyway.

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[sealybobo]

Fuck you, you lying piece of shit. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't know dick about physics, atheism, or common sense. Don't you dare presume that you know anything about me, or my political ideology, and get a case of the ass with me, just be cause you have been exposed for the ignorant dishonest fucktard that you are.

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I know you better than you know yourself.

You know dick about me.

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My signature line defines you.

What is your "signature line"?

It is below every one of my posts.

Not for me

 

[sealybobo]

How's that working out for you?

Condo paid off, car paid off, zero debt, savings, property, good job. I like capitalism.

I certainly don't want communism so I know you are wrong.

Saying athiesm leads to communism is like me telling you belief in God leads to homosexuality. You being the exception of course.

For your sake, I hope you are right because otherwise, you have just denied yourself.

If it's OK for a theist like you to lie its certainly OK for me.

You're no saint and neither am I. I just don't rationalize and I don't have a get out of hell free card which gives me a free pass on lying. You do.

Are you ever going to admit you are fos on your atheists are commy claim? It really would make you seem more intellectually honest

You do rationalize. You are doing it right now.

Sorry, but reason and experience tells us that militant atheism leads to communism. Heck, Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin even say so.

See what he's doing there? Since he got called out, he wants to modify his statement with "militant", and pretend that is what he has been saying all along, even though his comments are a matter of record. This is what you get from Ding. You offer to five him the chance for intellectual honesty, but the fact is he isn't honest. He hates all atheists, and pretends he doesn't. He insists that he has no preferred outcome, all while attacking atheists, and their character.

He is a liar, and a religious zealot. Plain, and simple.

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I have to agree. Like a Christian who says the Lord loves you but thinks you're going to hell.

 

[sealybobo]

Our best understanding of the data tells us that it did have a beginning. We live in a universe which has never had an uncaused event. Therefore, there was a cause for the beginning. We know that the universe is a self referential system and in many ways behaves like a brain. We know that the laws of nature are such that given enough time and the right conditions that beings that know and create will eventually arise. We know that that potential existed when space and time cane into existence. We know that everything that has happened since space and time came into existence was required for beings that know and create to arise. We know from our own experiences that when we create something that it can be used as evidence to learn things about us. For the life of me I have no idea of what evidence you have that something came from nothing without a cause or what you could possibly attribute that cause to. Do you?

Our best understanding may not be that good you know.

It is arrogance to think we are even capable of understanding everything in the universe. We do not fully understand the human brain either.


Just like it is arrogance to believe we are created in the image of some god

What evidence that the universe had a beginning do believe our best understanding is based upon?

We don't really know how the universe began
We may never know simply because we are incapable of understanding it. Just like dogs can't understand calculus

This Is What We Don’t Know About The Universe

We can never know what was before the big bang. What we do know is either time and space are infinite. Either thats true or there is no infinite God either.

Our universe is but one little universe. Our sun is but one little star. Our planet is just one little planet.

There was a time not too long ago we didn't know we were just one planet surrounding one sun. We thought we were special and that there must be a purpose. There is. Live well and prosper

we don't even know for sure there was a big bang

Will you please tell ding you being an atheist does not make you a commie or socialist?

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Atheists don't actually have a structured philosophy, so I don't think I'm obliged to call you anything. If atheists had some kind of unified belief system then distinctions of atheism might matter.

You mean like all religious people having a structured philosophy, oh wait, there are over 1000 different religions. Well at least all Christians have a structured philosophy, oh wait there are hundreds of different types of Christianity, in fact some of these differences have been fought over to the death. Not really a unified belief system. The only unified system atheists have is they don't believe in God/gods. It's really that simple.

Perhaps you're simply unfamiliar with the term "unified belief system". Obviously there are many different unified belief systems, religious and otherwise. Atheism simply doesn't happen to be one of them. Atheism, if it can even be considered a philosophical model of any kind, comprises no actual beliefs. They only know what they don't believe. Is that clear enough for you? Or can I expect yet another round of knee jerks?

Many of your com-padres would disagree. There was a thread here about Atheism being a belief and a religion. To state an atheist only knows what they don't believe is a ridiculous statement. It first implies that an atheists knows nothing about anything else. I'm sure you don't believe the moon is made out of cheese. If there was a name for people not believing the moon was made out of cheese (let's call them noncasiests) then a statement like A Noncasiest only knows what they don't believe would be wrong and ridiculous. I know you are only trying to poke subtle jabs and insults because you actually have no argument. You also said to Czernobog that you are not obliged to call him anything right after you called him a pop culture atheist. Another little jab. How about staying away from ridiculous labels and argue the points.

I don't disagree with CA. Atheists don't have beliefs per se. They have arguments against others having beliefs. God can no more be creation than a painter can be a painting. Looking for proof of God's existence won't be found in the natural world as God is a supernatural being who is not part of our space and time. Atheists require scientific proof of God's existence. That just isn't possible. The best we can do with science is to study what He has created and use that as indirect evidence for His existence. Atheists reject that concept. They argue that we cannot assume that God exists before we can use what He has created as evidence. The problem with that is that it is exactly backwards. That's not even how science works. Science begins by making observations and then formulating an idea of why it is the way it is and then they test that. Atheists on the other hand refuse to test its validity and instead use critical theory arguments to criticize what they don't believe to validate what they do believe. Which by the way can never be proven in the way they want because God is a supernatural being. They have a false belief that they are being critical thinkers but they are not. Critical thinking is when you challenge what you do believe to test its validity. So... atheists don't have beliefs (i.e. critical thinking). They have arguments (i.e. critical theory) against the beliefs of others, but in no way do they have a belief system that they can test. The reality is that believing or not believing is based on a leap of faith. Interestingly enough, the definition of faith is having trust in something. Atheists have trust in nothing.

I have no problem with someone saying "I believe in God although I cannot prove his existence." What I have a problem with is one claims to have proof of God's existence and cannot provide any.

You only need to read this thread for that.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Are Atheists able to use rational thought, deductive reasoning, and scrupulous logic to substantiate and legitimize their perceptions? Or are they simply lacking a perception that most people experience without the need for rationalization? Are they spiritually dumb?

Yes I'm dumber than the sheep who believe because they want to believe, have been threatened with hell and have been brainwashed since birth.

If you were raised on an island by people who didn't believe in God what age do you think you would come up with the God concept? I don't think God is something that is naturally concluded. You may contemplate a creator but at what point would you decide a heaven was logical and not wishful thinking?

In fact the person raised by non religious people might not even give this any thought. They might instead focus all their energy on living and learning things that are knowable.

You'd better stick to things that are knowable. The unknowable frightens atheists.

 

[sealybobo]

Are Atheists able to use rational thought, deductive reasoning, and scrupulous logic to substantiate and legitimize their perceptions? Or are they simply lacking a perception that most people experience without the need for rationalization? Are they spiritually dumb?

Yes I'm dumber than the sheep who believe because they want to believe, have been threatened with hell and have been brainwashed since birth.

If you were raised on an island by people who didn't believe in God what age do you think you would come up with the God concept? I don't think God is something that is naturally concluded. You may contemplate a creator but at what point would you decide a heaven was logical and not wishful thinking?

In fact the person raised by non religious people might not even give this any thought. They might instead focus all their energy on living and learning things that are knowable.

You'd better stick to things that are knowable. The unknowable frightens atheists.

Wrong! Im not afraid of death or hell you are. I laugh at such nonsense and go about living my life.

Now you can come up with reasons why you think I don't believe or why I deny God exists but you'll probably miss the mark. It's not Satan, im not angry and Its not because I want to be able to live in sin without consequences. I think belief holds us back, makes us dumb and is how they control us. I think it's made up.

So maybe, just maybe, I don't believe because it isn't true

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Are Atheists able to use rational thought, deductive reasoning, and scrupulous logic to substantiate and legitimize their perceptions? Or are they simply lacking a perception that most people experience without the need for rationalization? Are they spiritually dumb?

Yes I'm dumber than the sheep who believe because they want to believe, have been threatened with hell and have been brainwashed since birth.

If you were raised on an island by people who didn't believe in God what age do you think you would come up with the God concept? I don't think God is something that is naturally concluded. You may contemplate a creator but at what point would you decide a heaven was logical and not wishful thinking?

In fact the person raised by non religious people might not even give this any thought. They might instead focus all their energy on living and learning things that are knowable.

You'd better stick to things that are knowable. The unknowable frightens atheists.

Wrong! Im not afraid of death or hell you are. I laugh at such nonsense and go about living my life.

Now you can come up with reasons why you think I don't believe or why I deny God exists but you'll probably miss the mark. It's not Satan, im not angry and Its not because I want to be able to live in sin without consequences. I think belief holds us back, makes us dumb and is how they control us. I think it's made up.

So maybe, just maybe, I don't believe because it isn't true

You're not afraid of death? That would make you a singularly unique human being.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

So from what we know our current universe started 14 billion years ago but what was before that? My guess is the universe before ours was contracting after it first expanded for about 25 billion years.

The point is we don't know for sure and I'm open to all scientific theories.

The good thing about not believing a scientific theory is you won't burn in hell for eternity if you are wrong.

Quantum mechanics indicates you're on the right track.

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And the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics says he's not. Do you have any evidence that tells us what happened in the 1st trillionth of a billionth of a second?

Once again you demonstrate your complete ignorance of quantum physics. You should really stop embarrassing yourself.

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http://phys.org/news/2016-10-quantum-violate-law-thermodynamics.html

The likelihood of seeing quantum systems violating the second law of thermodynamics has been calculated by UCL scientists.

In two papers, published in this week's issue of Physical Review X and funded by the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council, the team determined a more precise version of a basic law of physics - which says that disorder tends to increase with time unless acted on by an outside force - and applied it to the smallest quantum systems.

"The vast majority of the time, the second law of thermodynamics is obeyed. It says that a cup of hot coffee in a cold room will cool down rather than heat up, and a collection of coins all initially heads up will likely produce a mixture of heads and tails when given a shake. In fact, it is thanks to the second law of thermodynamics that we instantly recognise when we are watching a movie backwards," explained PhD student Alvaro M. Alhambra (UCL Physics & Astronomy).

The team say that situations which break the second law of thermodynamics are not ruled out in principle, but are rare.

Precisely. Rare. Which means that the quantum gravity loop is well within the parameters set by physics, and a quantum loop does not lose energy, does not have end points, and does not need your mythical Primary Source, or Cause.

Checkmate.

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Again, you refer to "theoretical" quantum physics.