Atheism Is Not A Religion!!!

[Pogo]

It is NOT a religion, and if you keep saying it is, I'm going to start my own tax exempt church, and start pounding on your door at dinner time.

Seriously, it sounds ridiculous when you say it.


re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
   

   synonyms:

   faith, belief, worship, creed; More

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]

Atheist churches already exist. You can become an ordained minister...with no credentials at all.

There would be an easy gig.
"Things to do today -- nothing in particular"


Unfortunately it still ignores the same question tossed to you in the previous thread, and that is....

What would be the point?

Without an answer, that question kind of shoots the whole idea of "preaching" nothing absurd.

Patience, my impetuous child! I will get to the point in due time.

Uh - that question has been out there two days. It's not "impetuous".

 

[asaratis]

THE RELIGIOUS ATHEIST...COMING TO A CHURCH NEAR YOU...IN THE NEAR FUTURE!!
If some of you know-it-all proponents of falsehoods would do a bit of research, you might not make so many outrageous, misinformed claims. Atheism is a religion(.) <<<< Period!




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One sacred symbol to atheists is the 'A' that symbolizes atheism. Three 'A' symbols are prominent in atheism. One 'A' symbol was created in 2007 by Atheist Alliance International and has a circle around it. The circle is meant to symbolize the unity of all atheists and the inclusion of all other atheist symbols. As you can tell, not only are these symbols for atheism, there is atheist religious symbolism within them that only atheists or those who study atheism know.

A second popular 'A' symbol was created by Richard Dawkins and is a red letter 'A' on a right leaning slant. The Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) has adopted this symbol to represent it when they set up monuments to atheism. The third sacred 'A' symbol was created by the American Atheists and is placed in the middle of an atomic circle. The organization chose this as their symbol in 1963 to demonstrate their faith that science can save and free mankind. The letter 'A' stands in the middle of the atomic sign but rather than meaning atheism, it represents the first letter of the country in which the group is located. This obviously leads to problems since 'A' could stand for Austria, Algeria, Australia, and so on, but I suppose they weren't thinking that far ahead. The Atomic A, as it is known, is allowed on gravestones of U.S. military personnel who are atheists. Atheism is so sacred to some atheists that they want the atheist 'A' to represent them to the world after their death.

Many atheists demonstrated just how sacred the symbol 'A' is to them in the Christmas of 2013. Since my hometown city of Chicago allows a Hanukkah Menorah and Nativity scene to display on government property during the holiday season, the atheists asked to display their own religious symbol so the government wouldn't give the appearance to be endorsing one religion or the other. The monument the Freedom From Religion Foundation chose was a giant Richard Dawkins letter 'A' which stood 8 feet tall and lit up red at night for all to see. Countless atheists showed respect for the 'A' by making a pilgrimage to the site where the 'A' was displayed and having their picture taken with the 'A' which I'm sure will be kept as a cherished keep sake for many. Still, the giant red A was not enough. They also advocated for their atheist faith by erecting a sign that read, "There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

The atheist monument is further proof that atheism is a religion and in direct competition with theist religions for followers. Moreover, they have gone beyond telling people what they stand for and actually attack what others believe in. The FFRF sign is incredibly hateful towards all religions and actively tries to demean God and faith. The FFRF and many secular organizations like them are anti-faith, anti-God, and anti-religion. It is not enough for them to have their symbol and state what they believe in, as the Christian and Jewish symbols do. The FFRF must go one further to state what they dislike about other faiths. I just can't imagine a Christian nativity scene ever placing a sign next to the nativity stating something cruel and hateful towards other religious faiths. For some reason, atheists at FFRF can still sleep at night doing this. This speaks very poorly of the character of leaders and members of the group. The positive message within atheism must be very weak if they must resort to such hateful, negative tactics.

An additional religious symbol is the atheist Darwin fish. The fish was traditionally a symbol of Christianity for early Christians to recognize each other and since many of Jesus's disciples were fishermen who he would transform into 'fishers of men.' The atheists have usurped the symbol to declare their belief that Darwin's theory of evolution proves God doesn't exist. Since the fish is a creature from the natural world, it made for an easy transition to a symbol for atheism. Atheist's display the fish with the word 'Darwin' across the middle or with feet on the bottom and proudly wear it on t-shirts and bumper stickers. While it may have started as a parody on the Christian fish symbol, it is now an easy way for atheists to recognize each other, mission to non-atheists, and show their gratitude and respect to the person whose scientific work they believe is the foundation for much of their atheist faith, Charles Darwin.

Many more, less popular symbols exist including the empty set symbol of mathematics, the invisible pink unicorn, and the flying spaghetti monster. As the atheist religion continues to fortify itself certain symbols will likely tend to dominate as they work for uniformity and cohesion amongst all atheists.

Atheists are also installing their own religious monuments across the United States. In July of 2013 the American Atheists erected a monument at a Florida courthouse that had allowed the displaying of the Ten Commandments. Ken Loukinen, an American Atheists director of state and regional operations stated "Christianity has had an unfair privilege for at least the last 150 years. We want to level the playing field by stripping them of privilege, and bringing them to equality with all other ideologies." The group has said they will erect 50 more monuments in other locations where the Ten Commandments sit on government land. As Ken Loukinen admitted, the monuments are an effort for the faith of atheism to compete with the other religious faiths.

The monument has the atomic symbol with the letter 'A' in the middle to represent the group and atheism. A quote on the monument states, "An atheist believes a hospital should be built instead of a Church." Little do they acknowledge it was religious temples in Greece, Egypt and other places that first served as hospitals, the numerous hospitals built by Christian charities in the United States, and that atheists have yet to build a hospital in the USA. In the article, the atheists are very explicit about where their priorities are: building 50 more religious monuments to atheism. Perhaps a better quote for the atheist monument would read, "An atheist is someone who says they want a hospital in place of a Church, but then settles for erecting a religious monument to atheism instead." Not soon after this monument was erected, the Sunday Assembly began its cross-country trip across America raising money for…the atheist Church. Atheists may say they want a hospital instead of a Church, but as atheism in practice demonstrates, their first priorities are monuments and places of atheist worship.







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The United States was an association of former British Colonies which incorporated much of English law and culture in its Federal Constitution. Atheism in the USA is protected under the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause. In August 2005, in a case where a prison inmate was blocked by prison officials from creating an inmate group to study and discuss atheism, the court ruled this violated the inmate's rights under the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause. The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit recognized the previous Supreme Court precedent by ruling atheism be afforded equal protection with religions under the 1st amendment.[11][12]

There are also online churches that have been created by atheists to secure legal rights, to ordain atheist clergy to hold ceremonies, as well as for parody, education, and advocacy.[13][14][15][16]



Atheism in Judaism
Main article: Jewish atheism

In general, formulations of Jewish principles of faith require a belief in God (represented by Judaism's paramount prayer, the Shema). In many modern movements in Judaism, Rabbis have generally considered the behavior of a Jew to be the determining factor in whether or not one is considered an adherent of Judaism. Within these movements it is often recognized that it is possible for a Jew to strictly practice Judaism as a faith, while at the same time being an agnostic or atheist.



Some Jewish atheists reject Judaism, but wish to continue identifying themselves with the Jewish people and culture. Jewish atheists who practice Humanistic Judaism embrace Jewish culture and history, rather than belief in a supernatural god, as the sources of their Jewish identity. One study found that only 48% of self identified Jews believe in God.[19]


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Polls consistently show that some 10% of Americans don't feel an affinity for any of the traditional faith-based religious denominations. Yet these people have the same social, emotional, and other "spiritual" needs as everyone else. They are also concerned with such important principles as justice, honesty, right living, and the promotion of these values in the larger society. But the great majority of the unchurched have found it difficult to reconcile their views on these important subjects and their knowledge of the natural world with what nearly all religious organizations expect their members to believe on faith.

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Up until now, unbelievers have had little choice but to remain alone. A few have chosen to compromise their principles, convincing themselves that their honest doubts just aren't that important. Sadly, many of these people are individuals and couples with children who have been made to feel that religious indoctrination is somehow necessary to the moral development of their offspring.

The Houston Church of Freethought is an extension of the concept originally developed in Dallas by the North Texas Church of Freethought. The Church of Freethought was conceived as an alternative to the conventional faith-based religious organizations. The benefits of traditional church membership are offered to those who are uncomfortable with supernatural beliefs: community and fellowship with those of like mind, a vehicle for personal growth and fulfillment, affirmation of a naturalistic view of the world as a positive life choice for individuals and families, and a sense of belonging within the larger community.

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CHURCH is EXACTLY what we are about. We are committed to providing a sanctuary for rational human beings who want to gather voluntarily in a place where they can contemplate life on earth with all it's glory; where rational humans can celebrate the passages of life's important events like births, marriages, and deaths; where families can assemble with core values they wish to pass on to their children through the effective device of Sunday schools; where music can be played that lifts the human spirit; where physical symbols of science can be appreciated; where a true (real) sense of community can be expressed through charitable activities... and ALL without the slightest hint or need for the irrational concept known as "god."

Atheists, agnostics, skeptics, and freethinkers are still human beings and have real human social, emotional, and "spiritual" needs. Being among like (rational) minded people on a regular basis provides that vital emotional and social support to those of us in a vastly theistic society. The need for community and fellowship does not disappear when we decline to believe in supernaturalism.




The Religious Atheist Shades of Sentience

The Religious Atheist Posted by Lara Douglas November 17th, 2009 | Due to the rather volatile nature of the subject I am about to discuss, I would first like to make my intentions as clear as I can. It is my belief that the knowledge of mankind is inherently flawed; the word ‘fact’, to me, means very little. Our knowledge of the world, whether it is of how it works, or why, is changing so constantly that I would not honestly apply such a strong word to even the sentences I am currently typing, although I do believe them wholly. As such, when something comes up in conversation that is as far beyond our comprehension as the question of how and why we came to be here, a word such as ‘fact’ should be simply thrown out the window. On the contrary, each religion to date will throw the word around shamelessly, and today’s Atheists are using the word as if it were solely their own. In this article I attempt to define religion and find out exactly what it is, if anything, that separates modern Atheism from being defined as a religion. To those of you who are wondering, or possibly assuming, I would like to quickly note that I am not Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, Jewish, Atheist, Agnostic, or any other religious group you care to come up with, with special emphasis on Scientology. I am merely an interested observer in the way the Atheist movement is currently changing. One of the few things that Atheism and Christianity have in common is the fact that both groups are noticing the active uprising of the Atheism movement over the past few years, although obviously they both have very different opinions on the matter. Atheism is defined as the lack of belief in a god or gods, and is therefore not considered to be a religion. The definition of religion, however, is one that is sketchy at best. The most common belief is that it is exactly the opposite of Atheism; the belief in a higher power such as a god or multiple gods. This excludes even as well known a religion as Buddhism, one branch of which does not believe in a god or gods. So what is the definition of religion? When researching the topic, one will find that it is almost impossible to find a definition that is able to cover each religion. Another commonplace definition is that religion is a belief rooted in history. But then why do governments all over the world have the power to give new beliefs a religious status? This begs the question of how a religion is, at the very least, legally defined. How, for example, did a belief system as recent as Scientology become classified as a tax-exempt religion, in some countries at least, if not others? What were the major defining factors that swayed the judge to give them such a status? A more well-rounded definition is given by George A. Lindbeck (Lindbeck, 1984), “A religion can be viewed as a kind of cultural and/or linguistic framework or medium that shapes the entirety of life and thought… It is not primarily an array of beliefs about the true and the good (though it may involve these), or a symbolism expressive of basic attitudes, feelings, or sentiments (though these will be generated). Rather, it is similar to an idiom that makes possible the description of realities, the formulation of beliefs, and the experiencing of inner attitudes, feelings and sentiments.” Some might consider this to be rather vague, but in essence it is the truest description that I have come across. One will find many religions that claim not to be a religion but, in fact, ‘a way of life’. But isn’t this what every religion encompasses? The search for a religion is a search for truth, for knowledge. The search ends when the individual finds what he believes teaches him or her the basic facts of our existence and the way that we can get the most out of it. Each of us ask the same question and each religion endeavours to answer it; how should I live my life and why? It is in finding our own personal answer that religions begin to arise. The answer is to the asker their own form of enlightenment; such a feeling of purpose and truth awakens that as a result we feel the uprising need to Spread the Word! This word may be that of god, it may be that of many gods, but it also can be that of science, or that of yoga or a balanced diet or even that of the truth behind flying spaghetti. “When I became convinced that the Universe is natural, that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts, and bars, and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world, not even in infinite space. I was free.” (Ingersoll, 1896) It is at this point in time that a religion begins to spread, and also when it begins to encounter problems. It seems quite often that the simpler the solution is, the more popularity the idea gains, but other ideas can also gain just as much popularity through fear. This may be fear of a god, fear of what will happen in an afterlife, fear of being different, or fear of being deemed unintelligent through the lack of belief or understanding of what the religion teaches; “A believer is not a thinker and a thinker is not a believer.” (Sherman, 1969) The most obvious problem that religion has is religious intolerance. While one person has this overwhelming feeling of truth and knowledge, the person or persons they then share this with may be offended if it clashes with their own ‘truth’. A discussion between two individuals of different faiths about said faith is rarely a civilised or open-minded one, even amongst the normally rational or intelligent, and such rationality and intelligence is often called into question; ‘I prefer rationalism to Atheism… The question of god and other objects-of-faith are outside reason and play no part in rationalism, thus you don’t have to waste your time in either attacking or defending.’ (Asimov, 2002) The biggest problem that religion has, however, is that of being universally accepted. The reasons for this are obvious, yet religions still go about trying to convert the rest of the world to their own way of thinking. Those who believe they are of a non-religious status follow the same pattern, but seemingly against religion itself; “So returning to tactics and the evolution lobby, I want to argue that rocking the boat may be just the right thing to do. My approach to attacking creationism is unlike the evolution lobby, my approach to attacking creationism is to attack religion as a whole.” (Dawkins, 2002) Although it would like to claim as such, Atheism is not exempt from anything that has been stated so far, as evidenced by the adjacent Atheistic quotations. The fact that there is no supernatural being in their beliefs is irrelevant, and the fact that science is constantly changing and updating has both its pros and cons when arguing its ‘truth’. And, like many other religions, its followers will ultimately see anyone who disagrees with their beliefs as less intelligent beings. “There is not one single established religion that an intelligent, educated man can believe.” (Shaw, 1997) A common thread amongst Atheism is the promotion of ‘free-thinking’. Unfortunately in context this is more often than not intended to mean ‘one who thinks the same way as we do’; “A believer is a bird in a cage, a freethinker is an eagle parting the clouds with tireless wing.” (Ingersoll R. G., 1873) So what is it that separates Atheism from religion? The most common argument is that one cannot define a lack of belief in something as a religion. But technically agnosticism is the correct term for this. Agnostics do not believe there is proof of god, they do not believe that there is proof that there is no god, and they do not believe that there are any grounds for the argument to change their lifestyle in any way. Atheism, however, is the firm belief that there is no god. Then is it the fact that Atheists have no set rules which they need to follow? Or rather, that the rules they have set for themselves, such as a belief in science and ‘reason’, are so vague that they can be interpreted by each individual as they deem necessary? This is a much better reason than the last, and yet is one that I actually have yet to see proposed. It can be refuted, however, by the fact that most religious titles cover a broad range of beliefs, so much so that most of them then have sub-categories. A Christian, for example, could have any number of beliefs; the only assumed knowledge of such a broad term is that they will believe in a god. Atheism may not have formally named these categories as of yet, but it is quite simple to put them in place. The Evolutionary Atheist; one who believes in the theory of Charles Darwin. The Scientific Atheist; one who believes science has the answers to everything, although doesn’t necessarily believe in the theory of evolution. The Observed Atheist; one who believes the universe exists simply because we are observing it. The Simplistic Atheist; one who doesn’t believe we came about by evolution, doesn’t understand science, but is nevertheless most certain that we were not created by a god. This is, quite obviously, a very rough sketch of the categories Atheists may be put into, and I’m sure there are many more that I have not included. The final argument against Atheism being a religion is that of ritual, and I admit it is the most valid of all arguments presented to me. Atheists in general do not have religious rituals such as prayer or meditation. It could be argued, however, that by the founding of recent Atheist Clubs for both school students and adults, it is beginning to teeter on the edge of becoming a ritualistic religion. Attending Atheist meetings once a week is akin to heading to Church on Sundays, which is considered a religious ritual. This is a small step, but as atheism is rapidly changing I believe it is the first of many. So, in short, there is no reason that I can find to continue to exclude Atheism from being a religion. We are in an age where there are Atheist clubs at schools and regular meetings at rented halls for the older sympathisers, where Atheists have been willing to stick by their belief literally to the death, where Atheists are actively recruiting non-believers (as such) to their own cause, and where Atheists are discriminated against for their beliefs (although not as harshly as some like to claim). We are in an age of the Religious Atheist. [TBODY] [/TBODY]

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[Pogo]

It is NOT a religion, and if you keep saying it is, I'm going to start my own tax exempt church, and start pounding on your door at dinner time.

Seriously, it sounds ridiculous when you say it.


re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
   

   synonyms:

   faith, belief, worship, creed; More

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]

So who cares anyway? All you are doing is arguing semantics.
Atheism may not be a religion but it is a belief.

No it is not. It's a non-belief. Theism is a belief.

Do you "believe in" the Easter Bunny? Assuming no, is that a "belief"?

And on that belief many atheists order their lives. They surely do not stop from sexual sinning because they are worried about the punishments that may present themselves after they die. Ditto for many other sins.

That would be their business, would it not? And who appointed you judge of what others are doing?
Further, you seem to assume that "punishments that may present themselves after they die" is by default the only moral guideline that exists. That kind of singleminded thought, seems to me, is what atheism seeks to transcend by questioning, "is that all there is?".

Now of course, you would not call them “sins,” so let us just refer to them as morally unacceptable practices in the eyes of many. (more semantics)

And of course, atheists can be the most upstanding citizens and charitable souls, err, bodies. So I cannot deny that reality. Little do they know it, but their acts of charity, kindness and altruism is the best defense they will have when they meet their Creator after their earthly lives. (fyi)

Maybe more to the point -- why would you want to deny it? Isn't that another tactic to divide people into "us" and "them"?
This sounds once again like a completely egocentric "I know best" kind of approach. How do you know you know best?

One thing that does ring hollow with me (to say the least) is some atheists on these boards and elsewhere who make the claim that “their people” are more generous and charitable and caring than Christians in general because the atheist knows this is the only life they have so they need to make the most of it. While Christians are all giddy about heaven to come they don’t hardly care or pay attention to what trials or suffering is going on with others in this world. That is, of course, asinine to the extreme.

It's another strawman. Without someone actually presenting/advocating the thought it's fairly easy to describe anything as "asinine". Are you presenting it as a theory? It might be worth a shot, but it has to be presented neutrally.

 

[Pogo]

THE RELIGIOUS ATHEIST...COMING TO A CHURCH NEAR YOU...IN THE NEAR FUTURE!!
If some of you know-it-all proponents of falsehoods would do a bit of research, you might not make so many outrageous, misinformed claims. Atheism is a religion(.) <<<< Period!

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I can tell ya right now, no one in the world is going to invest their next two days reading all that. If there's a point in there, dissect it.

Here's maybe a more pertinent question:
Why do you need so desperately to redefine a rejection of a belief (a negative) into a belief (a positive)? What does it gain you? What's the big disadvantage to accepting a simple definition?

Shall we now define "silence" as a "sound" as well?
I mean when Paul Simon wrote "The Sounds of Silence" it's intentionally intended as an oxymoron. That's what gives the phrase its power -- a direct juxtaposition of opposites. Sound: silence. Day: night. On: Off. Theism: Atheism.

 

[Pogo]

When you live your life under the assumption that there is no God, then the Ten Commandments do not bind you. That is why people are uncomfortable around atheists.

I don't need the Ten Commandments to know right from wrong.

That voice in your heart telling you right from wrong is the voice of God. It's called a conscience. But atheists throughout history have proven to be very good at ignoring the difference between right and wrong, i.e. Stalin, Pol Pot, Robespierre.

Now you're really starting to scare me. It sounds like you believe without God, people are going to run out and start murdering people. Tell me that's not true.

Historically, whenever a government controlled by atheists takes over, mass murder happens: the French Revolution, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Stalin's Soviet Union, Mao's China, etc.

So you are saying that all the great empires of the world were atheists? There is no ancient empire that was void of religion and still had the need to slaughter and subjugate..

Religion/spirituality is a regularly recurring part of human culture. We all have some form, individually and collectively.

But this thread is about atheism, i.e. absence of belief in a monotheistic deity. Not about absence of religion. Important distinction. Religion after all does not require a deity.

 

[Moonglow]

When you live your life under the assumption that there is no God, then the Ten Commandments do not bind you. That is why people are uncomfortable around atheists.

I don't need the Ten Commandments to know right from wrong.

That voice in your heart telling you right from wrong is the voice of God. It's called a conscience. But atheists throughout history have proven to be very good at ignoring the difference between right and wrong, i.e. Stalin, Pol Pot, Robespierre.

Now you're really starting to scare me. It sounds like you believe without God, people are going to run out and start murdering people. Tell me that's not true.

Historically, whenever a government controlled by atheists takes over, mass murder happens: the French Revolution, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Stalin's Soviet Union, Mao's China, etc.

So you are saying that all the great empires of the world were atheists? There is no ancient empire that was void of religion and still had the need to slaughter and subjugate..

Religion/spirituality is a regularly recurring part of human culture. We all have some form, individually and collectively.

But this thread is about atheism, i.e. absence of belief in a monotheistic deity. Not about absence of religion. Important distinction. Religion after all does not require a deity.

I am no atheist, nor am I am religious person. I was merely trying to answer a question...I do know that there is more we do not know, than we do about the who, what, where and why we are here and the reason the entire galaxies exist and how it all started...

 

[Pogo]

Historically, whenever a government controlled by atheists takes over, mass murder happens: the French Revolution, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Stalin's Soviet Union, Mao's China, etc.

So you are saying that all the great empires of the world were atheists? There is no ancient empire that was void of religion and still had the need to slaughter and subjugate..

Religion/spirituality is a regularly recurring part of human culture. We all have some form, individually and collectively.

But this thread is about atheism, i.e. absence of belief in a monotheistic deity. Not about absence of religion. Important distinction. Religion after all does not require a deity.

I am no atheist, nor am I am religious person. I was merely trying to answer a question...I do know that there is more we do not know, than we do about the who, what, where and why we are here and the reason the entire galaxies exist and how it all started...

Sure, but I saw a conflation between "atheism" (absence of theism) and absence of religion. It's important that the distinction be preserved. In other words -- everybody through time and space has religion, but not everybody has theism.

 

[Carla_Danger]

It is NOT a religion, and if you keep saying it is, I'm going to start my own tax exempt church, and start pounding on your door at dinner time.

Seriously, it sounds ridiculous when you say it.


re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
   

   synonyms:

   faith, belief, worship, creed; More

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]

So who cares anyway? All you are doing is arguing semantics.
Atheism may not be a religion but it is a belief. And on that belief many atheists order their lives. They surely do not stop from sexual sinning because they are worried about the punishments that may present themselves after they die. Ditto for many other sins.

Now of course, you would not call them “sins,” so let us just refer to them as morally unacceptable practices in the eyes of many. (more semantics)

And of course, atheists can be the most upstanding citizens and charitable souls, err, bodies. So I cannot deny that reality. Little do they know it, but their acts of charity, kindness and altruism is the best defense they will have when they meet their Creator after their earthly lives. (fyi)

One thing that does ring hollow with me (to say the least) is some atheists on these boards and elsewhere who make the claim that “their people” are more generous and charitable and caring than Christians in general because the atheist knows this is the only life they have so they need to make the most of it. While Christians are all giddy about heaven to come they don’t hardly care or pay attention to what trials or suffering is going on with others in this world. That is, of course, asinine to the extreme.

Please try to be rational. You seem to thrive on fear of an afterlife. And why would the sex life of others involve you? Do you have a problem with sex?

 

[Moonglow]

I have a problem with sex, I don't get enough and never have, well except when I was a stripper..

 

[Pogo]

I have a problem with sex, I don't get enough and never have, well except when I was a stripper..

Yeah well it wasn't that good anyway.

 

[Moonglow]

I have a problem with sex, I don't get enough and never have, well except when I was a stripper..

Yeah well it wasn't that good anyway.

For a male it is different I will admit...

 

[Carla_Danger]

I have a problem with sex, I don't get enough and never have, well except when I was a stripper..

You're still showing your ass. LOL! And I mean that in a good way, referring to your avatar.

 

[turzovka]

[turzovka] So who cares anyway? All you are doing is arguing semantics.
Atheism may not be a religion but it is a belief.

[pogo] No it is not. It's a non-belief. Theism is a belief.
Do you "believe in" the Easter Bunny? Assuming no, is that a "belief"?

Yes it is a belief. So what? What are you so afraid of? It is semantics! And nothing more. The fact remains atheists do not believe in God. Now whether you want to call that a belief or non-belief or an item of disinterest or a non-starter or a matter of fact or whatever the hell else… does not matter to me, to Christians or to you --- for all intents and purposes. This “position” still drives words and actions the part of the beholder.

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[turzovka] And on that belief many atheists order their lives. They surely do not stop from sexual sinning because they are worried about the punishments that may present themselves after they die. Ditto for many other sins.

[pogo] That would be their business, would it not? And who appointed you judge of what others are doing? Further, you seem to assume that "punishments that may present themselves after they die" is by default the only moral guideline that exists. That kind of singleminded thought, seems to me, is what atheism seeks to transcend by questioning, "is that all there is?".

I never said or implied that potential punishments after they die is the only moral guideline that exists, did I? What I said was --- that is one moral guideline that would not enter their way of thinking or governing their conscience. It certainly affects many of Christians’ decisions. (I did not follow the reasoning of your last sentence.)

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[turzovka] Now of course, you would not call them “sins,” so let us just refer to them as morally unacceptable practices in the eyes of many. (more semantics) And of course, atheists can be the most upstanding citizens and charitable souls, err, bodies. So I cannot deny that reality. Little do they know it, but their acts of charity, kindness and altruism is the best defense they will have when they meet their Creator after their earthly lives. (fyi)

[pogo] Maybe more to the point -- why would you want to deny it?
This sounds like a completely egocentric "I know best" kind of approach. How do you know?

I know the same way I know Jesus Christ is God and His word is truth. If I am right on those salient points, then I have a sound basis for making other moral judgments. But I am not judging anyone, I am speaking in the general and speaking of Christian theology – i.e. God judges man based on how he treats his neighbor.

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[turzovka] One thing that does ring hollow with me (to say the least) is some atheists on these boards and elsewhere who make the claim that “their people” are more generous and charitable and caring than Christians in general because the atheist knows this is the only life they have so they need to make the most of it. While Christians are all giddy about heaven to come they don’t hardly care or pay attention to what trials or suffering is going on with others in this world. That is, of course, asinine to the extreme.

[pogo] It's another strawman. Without someone actually presenting/advocating the thought it's fairly easy to describe anything as "asinine". Are you presenting it as a theory? It might be worth a shot, but it has to be presented neutrally.

Well, where have you been? That point or idea has been proffered by a number of atheists or agnostics on any number of occasions. Given the history of nations I am aware of, and the history of the Church, I find that idea or claim to be asinine.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I never understood why so many atheists get so upset about something they don't believe in.

I don't think there is a god but I fall into the more agnostic camp where I think we just don't know if there is a supreme being or race of beings out there and even if there are we still may never understand them.

That said IDGAF if someone says the word god or that some people pray at public meetings or in a school as long as it's not forced on anyone.

Perhaps the answer lieth in the last phrase.

Tell me how in god we trust on our currency is forcing someone to participate in a religion or worship said god.

BTW it does neither but for some reason atheists who say they do not believe in said god get their panties in a wad over it.

So I'll ask again, how can one be offended by something in which they do not believe?

It's like being offended by Bugs Bunny

Strawman. I made no reference to money.

I suppose if Bugs Bunny (specifically) were rammed down my throat every time some public meeting took place, every time the seventh inning of a big baseball game came up, on all my money, in the Pledge of Allegiance, bellowed from street corners by bullhorn-wielding preachers, hawked by anonymous other accosters, invoked in every oath in the legal system, screamed from the top of her natural ampitheater by my wacko neighbor, hammered into every wedding and funeral and most of all woven into the social mores of my culture 24/7 as a psychological-warfare guilt tool, that would get a bit tiring -- particularly if my country had been founded on the basis of freedom of choice in cartoon characters.

Your mileage may vary.

Strawman to your strawman

If someone in your presence invokes the deity it is not being "rammed down your throat"
If the owners of a ball park want to broadcast a 7th inning prayer they have every right to just as you have the right to ignore it or put your fingers in your ears and say LA LA LA.

All I get from your post is that you must extremely thin skinned if the mere mention of an entity that you do not think exists can be such a source of torture to you..

 

[turzovka]

It is NOT a religion, and if you keep saying it is, I'm going to start my own tax exempt church, and start pounding on your door at dinner time.

Seriously, it sounds ridiculous when you say it.


re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
   

   synonyms:

   faith, belief, worship, creed; More

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So who cares anyway? All you are doing is arguing semantics.
Atheism may not be a religion but it is a belief. And on that belief many atheists order their lives. They surely do not stop from sexual sinning because they are worried about the punishments that may present themselves after they die. Ditto for many other sins.

Now of course, you would not call them “sins,” so let us just refer to them as morally unacceptable practices in the eyes of many. (more semantics)

And of course, atheists can be the most upstanding citizens and charitable souls, err, bodies. So I cannot deny that reality. Little do they know it, but their acts of charity, kindness and altruism is the best defense they will have when they meet their Creator after their earthly lives. (fyi)

One thing that does ring hollow with me (to say the least) is some atheists on these boards and elsewhere who make the claim that “their people” are more generous and charitable and caring than Christians in general because the atheist knows this is the only life they have so they need to make the most of it. While Christians are all giddy about heaven to come they don’t hardly care or pay attention to what trials or suffering is going on with others in this world. That is, of course, asinine to the extreme.

Please try to be rational. You seem to thrive on fear of an afterlife. And why would the sex life of others involve you? Do you have a problem with sex?

No, but I do have a problem trying to discuss an issue with someone who appears to have comprehension problems.

Stay on task instead of inserting foreign ideas to the discussion.

 

[Moonglow]

I have a problem with sex, I don't get enough and never have, well except when I was a stripper..

You're still showing your ass. LOL! And I mean that in a good way, referring to your avatar.

It's not mine but it is that size....I had a larger one but it keep getting chewed....

 

[Moonglow]

I never understood why so many atheists get so upset about something they don't believe in.

I don't think there is a god but I fall into the more agnostic camp where I think we just don't know if there is a supreme being or race of beings out there and even if there are we still may never understand them.

That said IDGAF if someone says the word god or that some people pray at public meetings or in a school as long as it's not forced on anyone.

Perhaps the answer lieth in the last phrase.

Tell me how in god we trust on our currency is forcing someone to participate in a religion or worship said god.

BTW it does neither but for some reason atheists who say they do not believe in said god get their panties in a wad over it.

So I'll ask again, how can one be offended by something in which they do not believe?

It's like being offended by Bugs Bunny

Strawman. I made no reference to money.

I suppose if Bugs Bunny (specifically) were rammed down my throat every time some public meeting took place, every time the seventh inning of a big baseball game came up, on all my money, in the Pledge of Allegiance, bellowed from street corners by bullhorn-wielding preachers, hawked by anonymous other accosters, invoked in every oath in the legal system, screamed from the top of her natural ampitheater by my wacko neighbor, hammered into every wedding and funeral and most of all woven into the social mores of my culture 24/7 as a psychological-warfare guilt tool, that would get a bit tiring -- particularly if my country had been founded on the basis of freedom of choice in cartoon characters.

Your mileage may vary.

Strawman to your strawman

If someone in your presence invokes the deity it is not being "rammed down your throat"
If the owners of a ball park want to broadcast a 7th inning prayer they have every right to just as you have the right to ignore it or put your fingers in your ears and say LA LA LA.

All I get from your post is that you must extremely thin skinned if the mere mention of an entity that you do not think exists can be such a source of torture to you..

Toleration should be at play, but some people insist on having it their way...

 

[Carla_Danger]

THE RELIGIOUS ATHEIST...COMING TO A CHURCH NEAR YOU...IN THE NEAR FUTURE!!
If some of you know-it-all proponents of falsehoods would do a bit of research, you might not make so many outrageous, misinformed claims. Atheism is a religion(.) <<<< Period!

(snip) [TBODY] [/TBODY]

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I can tell ya right now, no one in the world is going to invest their next two days reading all that. If there's a point in there, dissect it.

Here's maybe a more pertinent question:
Why do you need so desperately to redefine a rejection of a belief (a negative) into a belief (a positive)? What does it gain you? What's the big disadvantage to accepting a simple definition?

Shall we now define "silence" as a "sound" as well?
I mean when Paul Simon wrote "The Sounds of Silence" it's intentionally intended as an oxymoron. That's what gives the phrase its power -- a direct juxtaposition of opposites. Sound: silence. Day: night. On: Off. Theism: Atheism.

You may be waiting a while. This particular poster uses the same cut n paste on a regular basis in order to bombard us with useless information.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I never understood why so many atheists get so upset about something they don't believe in.

I don't think there is a god but I fall into the more agnostic camp where I think we just don't know if there is a supreme being or race of beings out there and even if there are we still may never understand them.

That said IDGAF if someone says the word god or that some people pray at public meetings or in a school as long as it's not forced on anyone.

Perhaps the answer lieth in the last phrase.

Tell me how in god we trust on our currency is forcing someone to participate in a religion or worship said god.

BTW it does neither but for some reason atheists who say they do not believe in said god get their panties in a wad over it.

So I'll ask again, how can one be offended by something in which they do not believe?

It's like being offended by Bugs Bunny

Strawman. I made no reference to money.

I suppose if Bugs Bunny (specifically) were rammed down my throat every time some public meeting took place, every time the seventh inning of a big baseball game came up, on all my money, in the Pledge of Allegiance, bellowed from street corners by bullhorn-wielding preachers, hawked by anonymous other accosters, invoked in every oath in the legal system, screamed from the top of her natural ampitheater by my wacko neighbor, hammered into every wedding and funeral and most of all woven into the social mores of my culture 24/7 as a psychological-warfare guilt tool, that would get a bit tiring -- particularly if my country had been founded on the basis of freedom of choice in cartoon characters.

Your mileage may vary.

Strawman to your strawman

If someone in your presence invokes the deity it is not being "rammed down your throat"
If the owners of a ball park want to broadcast a 7th inning prayer they have every right to just as you have the right to ignore it or put your fingers in your ears and say LA LA LA.

All I get from your post is that you must extremely thin skinned if the mere mention of an entity that you do not think exists can be such a source of torture to you..

Toleration should be at play, but some people insist on having it their way...

If one does not believe in something it should be no trouble at all to completely ignore it.

In God We trust means about as much to me as In Unicorns We Trust.

You would think some of these people are must be some sort of mythical beast that the mere mention of a deity causes them such mental anguish.

 

[Moonglow]

I never understood why so many atheists get so upset about something they don't believe in.

I don't think there is a god but I fall into the more agnostic camp where I think we just don't know if there is a supreme being or race of beings out there and even if there are we still may never understand them.

That said IDGAF if someone says the word god or that some people pray at public meetings or in a school as long as it's not forced on anyone.

Perhaps the answer lieth in the last phrase.

Tell me how in god we trust on our currency is forcing someone to participate in a religion or worship said god.

BTW it does neither but for some reason atheists who say they do not believe in said god get their panties in a wad over it.

So I'll ask again, how can one be offended by something in which they do not believe?

It's like being offended by Bugs Bunny

Strawman. I made no reference to money.

I suppose if Bugs Bunny (specifically) were rammed down my throat every time some public meeting took place, every time the seventh inning of a big baseball game came up, on all my money, in the Pledge of Allegiance, bellowed from street corners by bullhorn-wielding preachers, hawked by anonymous other accosters, invoked in every oath in the legal system, screamed from the top of her natural ampitheater by my wacko neighbor, hammered into every wedding and funeral and most of all woven into the social mores of my culture 24/7 as a psychological-warfare guilt tool, that would get a bit tiring -- particularly if my country had been founded on the basis of freedom of choice in cartoon characters.

Your mileage may vary.

Strawman to your strawman

If someone in your presence invokes the deity it is not being "rammed down your throat"
If the owners of a ball park want to broadcast a 7th inning prayer they have every right to just as you have the right to ignore it or put your fingers in your ears and say LA LA LA.

All I get from your post is that you must extremely thin skinned if the mere mention of an entity that you do not think exists can be such a source of torture to you..

Toleration should be at play, but some people insist on having it their way...

If one does not believe in something it should be no trouble at all to completely ignore it.

In God We trust means about as much to me as In Unicorns We Trust.

You would think some of these people are must be some sort of mythical beast that the mere mention of a deity causes them such mental anguish.

Yes it is amazing the reaction to others ideas which emote hysterical intolerance and hate.
My wife,,,oy, eats a burger and complains that it's wrong to eat animals....