Attempted coup d' etat underway in Venezuela.

[the other mike]

You are proving your ignorance once again.
It doesn't get stressful being wrong ALL the time ?
I would think so.

Ad hom garbage as a first resort? That is truly sad and pathetic.

I've exhausted all my attempts of reason with you.
Again, your ignorance is very revealing.

 

[Slyhunter]

Another item bugs the shit out of me. Do Socialist countries fail because they are Socialist countries. Or do they fail because we Sanction them?

Jesus. Do some fucking research instead of believing our media and state propaganda for a change. Sanctions are an act of war.

Listen to someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about.

I ain't listening to some Democratic hack.

 

[the other mike]

I ain't listening to some Democratic hack.

Suit yourself. He slayed Obama in this clip;
Not too Democrat-sounding to me.

 

[georgephillip]

"Prominent Venezuelan sociologist and intellectual Edgardo Lander says while it’s correct to oppose U.S. intervention and interference, Left media should not minimize the responsibility of the Maduro government for the economic crisis..."

Lander has some deep doubts about how Chavez chose to implement socialism in Venezuela:

Left Media Coverage of Venezuela Questioned

"EDGARDO LANDER: ... In the Venezuelan case, one of the severe problems that has led to the current crisis is the fact that the Chavez government in the first place identified socialism with state control, and many, many enterprises were nationalized and came under state control.

"So what happens?

"For the state, it became widespread in control of many, many, many activities, but it became weaker.

"It did not have the capacity to manage or deal with so many enterprises.

"It gave priority to ideological purity over technical competence in leading these enterprises.

"And as a consequence, a huge proportion—and when I mean huge, I mean the great, great majority of those corporations, or small companies, or whatever—went bankrupt, and they only subsisted, they only survived, as a consequence of money that was put on from the oil rent."

 

[the other mike]

"Prominent Venezuelan sociologist and intellectual Edgardo Lander says while it’s correct to oppose U.S. intervention and interference, Left media should not minimize the responsibility of the Maduro government for the economic crisis..."

Lander has some deep doubts about how Chavez chose to implement socialism in Venezuela:

Left Media Coverage of Venezuela Questioned

"EDGARDO LANDER: ... In the Venezuelan case, one of the severe problems that has led to the current crisis is the fact that the Chavez government in the first place identified socialism with state control, and many, many enterprises were nationalized and came under state control.

"So what happens?

"For the state, it became widespread in control of many, many, many activities, but it became weaker.

"It did not have the capacity to manage or deal with so many enterprises.

"It gave priority to ideological purity over technical competence in leading these enterprises.

"And as a consequence, a huge proportion—and when I mean huge, I mean the great, great majority of those corporations, or small companies, or whatever—went bankrupt, and they only subsisted, they only survived, as a consequence of money that was put on from the oil rent."

"Left media" being Democracy Now and TYT ? Wow a huge 1% swath of the American population .

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I've exhausted all my attempts of reason with you.

I have no doubt that's true. In two posts you have already stopped discussing facts in favor of brainless puerile insults.
Address post #193 when you want a seat at the adult's table.

Again, your ignorance is very revealing.

So is your juvenile snit. You haven't countered one fact, soyboy. Your act needs some more material.

 

[georgephillip]

"Prominent Venezuelan sociologist and intellectual Edgardo Lander says while it’s correct to oppose U.S. intervention and interference, Left media should not minimize the responsibility of the Maduro government for the economic crisis..."

Lander has some deep doubts about how Chavez chose to implement socialism in Venezuela:

Left Media Coverage of Venezuela Questioned

"EDGARDO LANDER: ... In the Venezuelan case, one of the severe problems that has led to the current crisis is the fact that the Chavez government in the first place identified socialism with state control, and many, many enterprises were nationalized and came under state control.

"So what happens?

"For the state, it became widespread in control of many, many, many activities, but it became weaker.

"It did not have the capacity to manage or deal with so many enterprises.

"It gave priority to ideological purity over technical competence in leading these enterprises.

"And as a consequence, a huge proportion—and when I mean huge, I mean the great, great majority of those corporations, or small companies, or whatever—went bankrupt, and they only subsisted, they only survived, as a consequence of money that was put on from the oil rent."

"Left media" being Democracy Now and TYT ? Wow a huge 1% swath of the American population .

"Left media" being Democracy Now and TYT ? Wow a huge 1% swath of the American population .

If I'm understanding Langer's argument correctly, he's saying Chavez made a mistake by instituting state control over a large majority of his country's economy:

Left Media Coverage of Venezuela Questioned

"EDGARDO LANDER: There were enormous advancements and gains in many areas. In the case of Venezuela, all that had to do with participatory democracy and popular organization.

"It was a really significant transformation of people’s lives, and people’s sense of dignity and capacity to have a say in their own lives, have a say on the future of the country.

"There was a very significant change in people’s access to health, to education. And obviously this was a huge change in relation to the previous situations.

"But at the same time, there were limits from the very beginning that could have been debated, and weren’t.

"For instance, there was a deep contradiction between this active promotion of grassroots organization and the fact that these grassroots organizations, on the main were not really autonomous because there was political democracy at the organizational level, but there wasn’t ever serious steps taken in the direction of economic autonomy or economic democratization."

Political democracy without economic democracy is a poor substitute for socialism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

your a moron dozens of nations over 50 have supported a regime change there . there is no trump troops there you idiot .w.we sent medical products and food and your great leader refused to allow them in the nation .

I always love when someone tells me ;
"Your a moron."

Commies are still mad because we won the Cold War.

 

[the other mike]

Commies are still mad because we won the Cold War.

You mean some Americans (like you claim to be )are in denial of own own past.

 

[the other mike]

Elliott Abrams is a fucking war criminal.

 

[JimBowie1958]

 

[JimBowie1958]

Commies are still mad because we won the Cold War.

You mean some Americans (like you claim to be )are in denial of own own past.

Bullshit. We did not start that war, fuckface.

Welcome to my ignore list for being a Hate America First numbnuts.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Commies are still mad because we won the Cold War.

You mean some Americans (like you claim to be )are in denial of own own past.

I would never deny that we won the Cold War.

 

[the other mike]

Commies are still mad because we won the Cold War.

You mean some Americans (like you claim to be )are in denial of own own past.

Bullshit. We did not start that war, fuckface.

Welcome to my ignore list for being a Hate America First numbnuts.

liar

 

[the other mike]

Ironically, Reagan probably believed what he was saying--he was that naive. Reagan probably believed that he was a good man doing good things. He would not have even known that he was a war criminal.

 

[the other mike]

 

[Aba Incieni]

Commies are still mad because we won the Cold War.

You mean some Americans (like you claim to be )are in denial of own own past.

Danny Ortega, via Castro and Russia, was trying to spread communism throughout Central America. The death squads were fighting them, along with the Contras in Honduras.

When the commies got their asses kicked they ran to SoCal and formed the MaraSalvatrucha, MS13.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Another item bugs the shit out of me. Do Socialist countries fail because they are Socialist countries. Or do they fail because we Sanction them?

Jesus. Do some fucking research instead of believing our media and state propaganda for a change. Sanctions are an act of war.

Listen to someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about.

Sanctions are the right of a sovereign nation they are not an act of war.

 

[the other mike]

Sanctions are the right of a sovereign nation they are not an act of war.

So don't call it war.
Call it a deliberate act of aggression against the population of a sovereign nation.
The death toll is still the same.

 

[Slyhunter]

Another item bugs the shit out of me. Do Socialist countries fail because they are Socialist countries. Or do they fail because we Sanction them?

Jesus. Do some fucking research instead of believing our media and state propaganda for a change. Sanctions are an act of war.

Listen to someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about.

What did they do to cause us to sanction them? Being a Socialistic government isn't a good enough reason for me.

Are their people starving because their government is Socialist. Or are they starving because we sanction them?