Banned for Reading Bible BEFORE Class

[Divine Wind]

We know the far left love being persecuted by the theists.

And, as this forum often proves, we know the far Left loves to persecute theists.

 

[TNHarley]

Martel - History - Northern Arizona University
IDK if I would call this fake.. If it is, this woman heather will make a shitload of cash from suing this guy...

Why would she make money suing a student?

If he was making it up, then he is probably a spoiled little bitch?
you got me.. lol

 

[Divine Wind]

Mr Holden's side of the story just doesn't seem to pass the "Does that make sense" test

The rightwing is outraged that a liberal professor would punish a student for reading the bible six minutes before class. Why would a professor do that? Makes no sense. I could see starting class and asking someone to put their bible away....but six minutes before with him silently reading ?

What does make sense is the student had been disruptive in class and disrespectful towards other students. He had been instructed to use a desk at the rear of the classroom near the door and was now intentionally sitting front and center with his bible. He was told to move because of his previous classroom behavior and not because he was reading a bible

"Why would a professor do that?"

Because he is of the Liberal persuasion, of course.

You know that....Shirley.

Maybe she caught him cutting and pasting

If that speculation were true, then she would be obligated to report him for plagiarism. Since that subject hasn't even been mentioned, and since you want to go to fantasy-land, why not make up a love triangle with a hot, large breasted coed whom both Martel and Holden are pining over?

 

[Divine Wind]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

This isn't high school nor church. He wasn't reading porn. As other's have asked, would it have been different if he'd been reading the Quran? The Communist Manifesto? Why the conniption over a student reading a Bible before class even if the only reasons he did it was to annoy a tyrannical man-hating professor of Women's Studies?

 

[Divine Wind]

Notice how RWs always assume it's only liberals know or care about the US Constitution and the separation of church and state?

Maybe it's because LWers are always trying to shred rewrite the Constitution into their own image while RWers seek to preserve it as written?

 

[PoliticalChic]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

This isn't high school nor church. He wasn't reading porn. As other's have asked, would it have been different if he'd been reading the Quran? The Communist Manifesto? Why the conniption over a student reading a Bible before class even if the only reasons he did it was to annoy a tyrannical man-hating professor of Women's Studies?

I suspect you know why the Bible is singled out.

Here, in their own words:

1. There is no God:
"This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor."The Schwarz Report | Essays


2. As a result of Franklin Roosevelt's tireless efforts to make a home for communism in America, note the following and compare it to the Progressive/Liberal/Democrat view of religion in secular America:

"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physicalsins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes." Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY

This is the basis, the explanation, for the anti-Religion view Liberals demand being taught in government schools, and by the secular media.


3. "Stalin remained a consistent advocate of the scientific and materialistic basis of all knowledge....Any manifestation of a challenge to the worldview of Soviet communism was met throughout with a relentless hostility."
"The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia," by Richard Overy, p. 277


4. September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there was freedom of religion in the USSR. "The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step in a massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," byDennis J. Dunn, p. 137

 

[Divine Wind]

I do not believe that the PROF----"wigged" out without some pre-existing
problem

Correct. As has been pointed out before, Holden has confronted her ideas in class previously. She had a conniption over it and sent two over-the-top emails, one private, one public, to him. It seems to be a battle of wills. Holden was in class, apparently not sitting where the petty tyrant told him to sit (it's college, not HS) and reading a Bible. Martel then wigged out. She seems unstable to me even if it's found that Holden is a dickhead.

 

[Divine Wind]

Martel - History - Northern Arizona University
IDK if I would call this fake.. If it is, this woman heather will make a shitload of cash from suing this guy...

Why would she make money suing a student?

If he was making it up, then he is probably a spoiled little bitch?
you got me.. lol

IF he's making this up, there will be plenty of witnesses to say so. IF he's lying, then he should be suspended, if not expelled. However, IF Martel is the petty man-hating tyrant she's purported to be, should she be reprimanded? Fired? Nothing because she's a liberal lesbian lecturer?

 

[rightwinger]

....It may have gone down as the student claims, but I get the feeling the student may be misrepresenting what actually happened before class. I'd like to hear what the professors side is. There were other students there, lets see if they support the bible claim

Could be. Could also be the teacher doesn't like Christian white males and is petty enough to take it out on him before class. See how that works?

It's one thing to follow the guideline "I think we should wait until all the facts are in before pronouncing judgement" and it's another to say it then continually judge the person whom you are politically opposed.

Screw him

The teacher should have knocked his teeth out and dragged him senseless from the class
The class was overbooked

 

[irosie91]

bullshit------even a communist college prof. has a RIGHT to express her opinion----
you are SUPPORTING one POV. Would you suggest that a theology prof----FATHER MACDONALD----be stopped from supporting the concept of DA TRINITY?

 

[Divine Wind]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

This isn't high school nor church. He wasn't reading porn. As other's have asked, would it have been different if he'd been reading the Quran? The Communist Manifesto? Why the conniption over a student reading a Bible before class even if the only reasons he did it was to annoy a tyrannical man-hating professor of Women's Studies?

I suspect you know why the Bible is singled out.

Here, in their own words:

1. There is no God:
"This concept is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism." If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor."The Schwarz Report | Essays


2. As a result of Franklin Roosevelt's tireless efforts to make a home for communism in America, note the following and compare it to the Progressive/Liberal/Democrat view of religion in secular America:

"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.” A million physicalsins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes." Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY

This is the basis, the explanation, for the anti-Religion view Liberals demand being taught in government schools, and by the secular media.


3. "Stalin remained a consistent advocate of the scientific and materialistic basis of all knowledge....Any manifestation of a challenge to the worldview of Soviet communism was met throughout with a relentless hostility."
"The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia," by Richard Overy, p. 277


4. September 30, 1941, FDR claimed that there was freedom of religion in the USSR. "The claim that Stalin's Russia allowed religious freedom was the first step in a massive pro-Soviet campaign that the White House coordinated for the duration of the war."
"Caught between Roosevelt and Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," byDennis J. Dunn, p. 137

An excellent argument. IMHO, it's even simpler; Martel is a beotch.

 

[Divine Wind]

Screw him

The teacher should have knocked his teeth out and dragged him senseless from the class
The class was overbooked

Thanks for 1) another example of LW justice and 2) another example of LWers advocating violence against those with whom they disagree. Diversity my ass.

 

[koshergrl]

I do not believe that the PROF----"wigged" out without some pre-existing
problem

Correct. As has been pointed out before, Holden has confronted her ideas in class previously. She had a conniption over it and sent two over-the-top emails, one private, one public, to him. It seems to be a battle of wills. Holden was in class, apparently not sitting where the petty tyrant told him to sit (it's college, not HS) and reading a Bible. Martel then wigged out. She seems unstable to me even if it's found that Holden is a dickhead.

of course she's unstable. Has no business on the streets period..let alone teaching.

 

[TNHarley]

Martel - History - Northern Arizona University
IDK if I would call this fake.. If it is, this woman heather will make a shitload of cash from suing this guy...

Why would she make money suing a student?

If he was making it up, then he is probably a spoiled little bitch?
you got me.. lol

IF he's making this up, there will be plenty of witnesses to say so. IF he's lying, then he should be suspended, if not expelled. However, IF Martel is the petty man-hating tyrant she's purported to be, should she be reprimanded? Fired? Nothing because she's a liberal lesbian lecturer?

I seriously doubt he is making it up.
What she did was pathetic and she should absolutely face some sort of punishment.

 

[irosie91]

you have a one-sided story

 

[koshergrl]

bullshit------even a communist college prof. has a RIGHT to express her opinion----
you are SUPPORTING one POV. Would you suggest that a theology prof----FATHER MACDONALD----be stopped from supporting the concept of DA TRINITY?

shas a right to an opinion. She doesn't have the right to demand books be removed from her sight.

 

[anotherlife]

bullshit------even a communist college prof. has a RIGHT to express her opinion----
you are SUPPORTING one POV. Would you suggest that a theology prof----FATHER MACDONALD----be stopped from supporting the concept of DA TRINITY?

The concept of the Holly Trinity is pure logic. Any religion that explicitly denies it is wrong, and not a religion at all but only a con.

 

[koshergrl]

,

you have a one-sided story

oh look another unfounded assumption.

 

[irosie91]

bullshit------even a communist college prof. has a RIGHT to express her opinion----
you are SUPPORTING one POV. Would you suggest that a theology prof----FATHER MACDONALD----be stopped from supporting the concept of DA TRINITY?

The concept of the Holly Trinity is pure logic. Any religion that explicitly denies it is wrong, and not a religion at all but only a con.

oh

 

[Divine Wind]

I do not believe that the PROF----"wigged" out without some pre-existing
problem

Correct. As has been pointed out before, Holden has confronted her ideas in class previously. She had a conniption over it and sent two over-the-top emails, one private, one public, to him. It seems to be a battle of wills. Holden was in class, apparently not sitting where the petty tyrant told him to sit (it's college, not HS) and reading a Bible. Martel then wigged out. She seems unstable to me even if it's found that Holden is a dickhead.

of course she's unstable. Has no business on the streets period..let alone teaching.

If her reported actions are true, then I agree she shouldn't be teaching anymore than Melissa Click should be teaching. As an American citizen, however, she is free to wear a pink pussy hat and protest men and theists in the streets all she likes.


UM curators approve new policies on faculty conduct
The University of Missouri approved four new policies Thursday intended to address issues raised during the political storm over former faculty member Melissa Click and 2015 protests on the Columbia campus....

.....Click, a former assistant professor of communications, was dismissed from the university for incidents in which she called for “muscle” to remove photographers from the Concerned Student 1950 protest site and for screaming at Columbia police officers during a protest that blocked the 2015 Homecoming parade. Click became a political pariah, attracting harsh criticism from Republican lawmakers, and the curators went outside normal processes to fire her. Click now works at Gonzaga University.

That resulted in MU being put on probation by the American Association of University Professors for political interference in personnel decisions.