Banned for Reading Bible BEFORE Class

[cnm]

You have to remember that was back in the day of Sputnik and Missile Gap and the height of the cold war. Sputnik was in 1957 and came to a head during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. My birthday is October 25 which was in the middle of the Cuban Missile Crisis and I did not know if I would see my next birthday. Everyone was glued to their TV sets.

See, the brainwashing of kids worked perfectly.

 

[irosie91]

You have to remember that was back in the day of Sputnik and Missile Gap and the height of the cold war. Sputnik was in 1957 and came to a head during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. My birthday is October 25 which was in the middle of the Cuban Missile Crisis and I did not know if I would see my next birthday. Everyone was glued to their TV sets.

See, the brainwashing of kids worked perfectly.

I remember it well------I did not have a moment of anxiety

 

[Spare_change]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Properly cut up a grocery store paper sack and make your own book cover the way we used to do it protecting the book with no writing on the grocery store paper cover. Not only does that protect the book from environmental damage but also nobody knows what you are reading.

You feel it necessary to conceal a Bible in order to not offend somebody if they SEE it???

Seriously????

 

[irosie91]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Properly cut up a grocery store paper sack and make your own book cover the way we used to do it protecting the book with no writing on the grocery store paper cover. Not only does that protect the book from environmental damage but also nobody knows what you are reading.

You feel it necessary to conceal a Bible in order to not offend somebody if they SEE it???

Seriously????

depends on the circumstances. It the student in question is prone to
QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE in order to dispute whatever are the details
of the lecture of the Prof.------YES!!! The student should quit doing that
and not stick a bible in her face. If the student likes to read the bible in the
library or the student center or the coffee shop-----it is no one's business.
I suspect there is more to the story than "I was quietly reading psalms before
class" If the bible has never used as source material by that particular
student------then no one should care

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It’s apparently OK to read history books at Northern Arizona University, but not the Good Book.

Mark Holden, a 22-year-old history major, tells me he was ordered to leave a lecture hall after his professor objected to him reading the Bible before the start of the class.

“All the students agreed with her that assimilation is oppressive and evil.”

Holden alleges that professor Heather Martel ordered him to put away the Good Book around six minutes before a scheduled history class. It’s unclear why she objected to the reading of God’s word.

According to her biography, Professor Martel is a noted scholar who is working on an essay titled, “The Gender Amazon: Indigenous Female Masculinity in Early Modern European Representations of Contact.” She also teaches classes on Global Queer History and Feminist Theory.

When Holden declined to stop reading his Bible, the professor summoned Derek Heng, the chairman of the department. Heng then proceeded to explain the situation.

Holden recorded the conversation and turned it over to congressional candidate Kevin Cavanaugh. In turn, Cavanaugh provided me with a copy of the audio.

"So Professor Martel says that she doesn't want you sitting in front of her because you put, you know, a Bible out, right?" Heng said.

"So she doesn't want me in the front because I have my Bible out," Holden replied.

"No, I think she — I mean, well, why do you have your Bible out anyway," Heng asked.

After a bit more back and forth regarding the dynamics in the classroom, the chairman of the department got to the heart of the issue. "So, will you, will you, will you, put your Bible away?" Heng asked.

The incident occurred back in February, but just recently became public after Campus Reform reported on the controversy.

Holden had previously drawn the ire of his professor during a classroom discussion on assimilation.

"All the students agreed with her that assimilation is oppressive and evil," Holden said. "I suggested there are both positive and negative aspects to assimilation."

As an example, he referenced a report about two Muslim men in California who reportedly said the Koran justified doing terrible things to women.

"She told me I was a racist and she would not tolerate that kind of racism in the class," Holden said. "I told her Islam was not a race and I was only talking about what the two Muslim men as individuals said — I was not making broad claims about Islam or my interpretation of the Koran."

After a bit of back and forth, Holden said the professor told the class, "Welcome to Trump's new America — where straight white males can say prejudicial things without being reprimanded for it."

The student must have been reading it out loud without the Professor's permission. Way back in the day before SCOTUS ruled otherwise everyone in my country grade school said the Lord's Prayer first before holding our hands over our hearts saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag before class started. SCOTUS ruled saying the Lord's Prayer in a public school is illegal and we had to stop.

And did you also repeat prayers of other religions?

Hate to point out the obvious but no one religion gets to force people to listen to their schtick. That's what church's and other tax free houses of worship are for.


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[Luddly Neddite]

They also have no right to tell him he can't keep it on his desk whether class is in session or not, period.

Why does he need his bible in a history class ?

There is a lot of real history in the Bible and a lot of fake history therefore the Bible is relevant in History Class.

No, the bible is fiction but that's not the point.

Picaro yes, "they" do have the right to tell him to remove books that are not class related.

Sounds like this student was looking to start fight. Although these nutters are obnoxious, it sounds like the kid would have been within his rights to read silently until class started and put it away.

But, not enough into.


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[koshergrl]

It’s apparently OK to read history books at Northern Arizona University, but not the Good Book.

Mark Holden, a 22-year-old history major, tells me he was ordered to leave a lecture hall after his professor objected to him reading the Bible before the start of the class.

“All the students agreed with her that assimilation is oppressive and evil.”

Holden alleges that professor Heather Martel ordered him to put away the Good Book around six minutes before a scheduled history class. It’s unclear why she objected to the reading of God’s word.

According to her biography, Professor Martel is a noted scholar who is working on an essay titled, “The Gender Amazon: Indigenous Female Masculinity in Early Modern European Representations of Contact.” She also teaches classes on Global Queer History and Feminist Theory.

When Holden declined to stop reading his Bible, the professor summoned Derek Heng, the chairman of the department. Heng then proceeded to explain the situation.

Holden recorded the conversation and turned it over to congressional candidate Kevin Cavanaugh. In turn, Cavanaugh provided me with a copy of the audio.

"So Professor Martel says that she doesn't want you sitting in front of her because you put, you know, a Bible out, right?" Heng said.

"So she doesn't want me in the front because I have my Bible out," Holden replied.

"No, I think she — I mean, well, why do you have your Bible out anyway," Heng asked.

After a bit more back and forth regarding the dynamics in the classroom, the chairman of the department got to the heart of the issue. "So, will you, will you, will you, put your Bible away?" Heng asked.

The incident occurred back in February, but just recently became public after Campus Reform reported on the controversy.

Holden had previously drawn the ire of his professor during a classroom discussion on assimilation.

"All the students agreed with her that assimilation is oppressive and evil," Holden said. "I suggested there are both positive and negative aspects to assimilation."

As an example, he referenced a report about two Muslim men in California who reportedly said the Koran justified doing terrible things to women.

"She told me I was a racist and she would not tolerate that kind of racism in the class," Holden said. "I told her Islam was not a race and I was only talking about what the two Muslim men as individuals said — I was not making broad claims about Islam or my interpretation of the Koran."

After a bit of back and forth, Holden said the professor told the class, "Welcome to Trump's new America — where straight white males can say prejudicial things without being reprimanded for it."

The student must have been reading it out loud without the Professor's permission. Way back in the day before SCOTUS ruled otherwise everyone in my country grade school said the Lord's Prayer first before holding our hands over our hearts saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag before class started. SCOTUS ruled saying the Lord's Prayer in a public school is illegal and we had to stop.

No, the mentally ill *educator* objected to the SIGHT of the bible.

It's like kryptonite to mentally ill homosexuals.

 

[koshergrl]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

 

[koshergrl]

And the teacher asked him to put it away. He isn't a kid that should need to be told that.

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he closed the book and left it on his desk so the fuck what?
if he left a text from another class closed on his desk during class no one would have cared

According to who ?
It sounds like he was a trouble maker looking to be oppressed. Old enough to know better.

How dare he read! Punk! Troublemaking whippersnapper!

 

[irosie91]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Is there a link to the article?

One of the only links I found was to a Fox News article. They have audio of the kid discussing it with the chairman of the department, but it's only about a minute long, and conveniently stops short of the resolution. The audio was provided by some guy who is running for congress who seems to have a hard-on for North Arizona University, judging by his Facebook page which posts about nothing but NAU.

Bible reading not allowed before class, professor tells student

I found this article on it on the RWish Western Journalism site

See if you get the same laugh I did:

Bible-Reading Student Has Shock Encounter With Lib Prof, Immediately Turns The Tables...

Notice how RWs always assume it's only liberals know or care about the US Constitution and the separation of church and state?


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[koshergrl]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

A church is private property.

And a bible isn't playboy.

Again. Why should students have to hide the covers of the books they are reading?

 

[irosie91]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

A church is private property.

And a bible isn't playboy.

Again. Why should students have to hide the covers of the books they are reading?

I described the circumstances that might annoy the prof-----why should a
person have to hide his reading material in a church? what does "private
property" have to do with the issue-------if THE PUBLIC are invited to "partake"?
A professor CAN throw a student who he feels is disruptive to the class ---OUT

 

[koshergrl]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

A church is private property.

And a bible isn't playboy.

Again. Why should students have to hide the covers of the books they are reading?

I described the circumstances that might annoy the prof-----why should a
person have to hide his reading material in a church? what does "private
property" have to do with the issue-------if THE PUBLIC are invited to "partake"?
A professor CAN throw a student who he feels is disruptive to the class ---OUT

Who gives a shit about the annoyance of a prof?
The only person disrupting the class was the professor. Toss the professor. She's worthless anyway.

And the difference between public and private in this case...yes, a church is a place where the public is *invited*, but there are certain behaviors that aren't typically encouraged. Reading porn openly would be one.

A school is not a church. A school is a public venue, where the students PAY to be there. They are not *guests*. They are paying customers.

And no student should ever have to hide the titles of the books he is reading from his PROFESSORS based on the fact that the professor just can't stand the sight of the books. That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of, and you're an idiot for even beginning to entertain that line of thought.

Throw the mentally ill educators in institutions, or jails, and yank federal funding from all the schools. This shit has to stop.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The whole issue of this OP is so troubling that it may keep me awake an extra 2 to 3 minutes when I take my afternoon nap...

 

[rightwinger]

The whole issue of this OP is so troubling that it may keep me awake an extra 2 to 3 minutes when I take my afternoon nap...

Liberals gunna take away your bible!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

It's not like RWNJs believe in eddy-muh-kay-shuns anyway.


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[irosie91]

whatever happened to PLAIN BOOK COVERS? One need not ADVERTISE his
choice of books-----just put a plain cover on it. I was a kid once----I read lots of
stuff in class------just open the big textbook-----and put a comic book between the
pages. Why AGGRAVATE people? As to the teacher who gets an ITCH when
she sees a bible---------she got a problem-----should we care?

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

A church is private property.

And a bible isn't playboy.

Again. Why should students have to hide the covers of the books they are reading?

I described the circumstances that might annoy the prof-----why should a
person have to hide his reading material in a church? what does "private
property" have to do with the issue-------if THE PUBLIC are invited to "partake"?
A professor CAN throw a student who he feels is disruptive to the class ---OUT

Who gives a shit about the annoyance of a prof?
The only person disrupting the class was the professor. Toss the professor. She's worthless anyway.

And the difference between public and private in this case...yes, a church is a place where the public is *invited*, but there are certain behaviors that aren't typically encouraged. Reading porn openly would be one.

A school is not a church. A school is a public venue, where the students PAY to be there. They are not *guests*. They are paying customers.

And no student should ever have to hide the titles of the books he is reading from his PROFESSORS based on the fact that the professor just can't stand the sight of the books. That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of, and you're an idiot for even beginning to entertain that line of thought.

Throw the mentally ill educators in institutions, or jails, and yank federal funding from all the schools. This shit has to stop.

if anything is fucking stupid in the discussion ---it is YOU. We do not have
sufficient information to CONCLUDE as to who, in the situation, was being
disruptive, or rude or ANYTHING. I have presented a POSSIBLE scenario
for which the prof would be JUSTIFIED and jettisoning the student and his
bible. You are too FUCKING STUPID to consider that possible scenario.
It seems you do not like the prof's "politics" or "beliefs"----I have tolerated
lots of profs with whom I had ideological differences------I did not choose to
spit in their faces--------one can always drop the class

 

[koshergrl]

Why should we hide what we are reading?

depends on the circumstances. I would not wave a copy of playboy around
in a church

A church is private property.

And a bible isn't playboy.

Again. Why should students have to hide the covers of the books they are reading?

I described the circumstances that might annoy the prof-----why should a
person have to hide his reading material in a church? what does "private
property" have to do with the issue-------if THE PUBLIC are invited to "partake"?
A professor CAN throw a student who he feels is disruptive to the class ---OUT

Who gives a shit about the annoyance of a prof?
The only person disrupting the class was the professor. Toss the professor. She's worthless anyway.

And the difference between public and private in this case...yes, a church is a place where the public is *invited*, but there are certain behaviors that aren't typically encouraged. Reading porn openly would be one.

A school is not a church. A school is a public venue, where the students PAY to be there. They are not *guests*. They are paying customers.

And no student should ever have to hide the titles of the books he is reading from his PROFESSORS based on the fact that the professor just can't stand the sight of the books. That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of, and you're an idiot for even beginning to entertain that line of thought.

Throw the mentally ill educators in institutions, or jails, and yank federal funding from all the schools. This shit has to stop.

if anything is fucking stupid in the discussion ---it is YOU. We do not have
sufficient information to CONCLUDE as to who, in the situation, was being
disruptive, or rude or ANYTHING. I have presented a POSSIBLE scenario
for which the prof would be JUSTIFIED and jettisoning the student and his
bible. You are too FUCKING STUPID to consider that possible scenario.
It seems you do not like the prof's "politics" or "beliefs"----I have tolerated
lots of profs with whom I had ideological differences------I did not choose to
spit in their faces--------one can always drop the class

I have sufficient information.
A mentally ill homosexual is attacking students who dare to carry a bible. The mentally ill homosexual needs to be removed from the school, and from society.

 

[koshergrl]

Irosie gets a bit teste, doesn't she...