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[QUOT
1. do you have health care insurance?
2. do you propose just letting people die?
3. do you propose to keep letting people go bankrupt?
4. what if all healthcare was paid for by corporate America, much like it is today?
Who said anything about paying someone else's bill? What's next you are going to prohibit people from using roads? Install toll booths so only those who can pay uses the roads?[QUOT
1. do you have health care insurance?
2. do you propose just letting people die?
3. do you propose to keep letting people go bankrupt?
4. what if all healthcare was paid for by corporate America, much like it is today?
It is not my responsibility to pay somebody else's heath care bills. It is their responsibility.
Is the concept of personal responsibility beyond your comprehension? I suspect it is because for most Liberals that is an alien concept.
Who said anything about paying someone else's bill? What's next you are going to prohibit people from using roads? Install toll booths so only those who can pay uses the roads?[QUOT
1. do you have health care insurance?
2. do you propose just letting people die?
3. do you propose to keep letting people go bankrupt?
4. what if all healthcare was paid for by corporate America, much like it is today?
It is not my responsibility to pay somebody else's heath care bills. It is their responsibility.
Is the concept of personal responsibility beyond your comprehension? I suspect it is because for most Liberals that is an alien concept.
Answer one question, do you have company sponsored health care? You won't answer I'll bet money.
In France, most drug prices are controlled by the government. Almost all drugs available in the US are available in France at very low prices, either as the brand name or generic. If a drug is not available, you can still purchase it but you'll pay higher prices.Not familiar with all countries but in Britain and France, basically yes. Services are delivered a bit differently. You might have to wait a bit longer than in the US for screenings and optional procedures but if you are really ill, services are every bit as good as in the US.Countries who do not spend what the US does on health care, do they have the same services?One of main reasons healthcare spending has been going up over the last 50 years is people demand better healthcare, early diagnosis for cancer, heart and kidney transplants, treatments for Hepatitis, HIV, Macular Degenration, Asthma, Major improvements in Orthopedics and artificial limbs, Diabetes Medications and Monitoring, Noninvasive Diagnostics, Tomography, Ultrasound, Vaccines for Cancer Prevention, Cervical Cancer Screening, and thousands of other medical miracles. Couple this with the expansions in Medicare and Medicaid, life savings and life altering medical care is available to both the rich and poor and it is being used as never before. The number of procedures performed by healthcare providers has increased by 400% over the last 50 years.
One of the big differences I noted in France was the pharmacies. They are so much more than what we have in the US in regard to healthcare. First, they are 100% about healthcare, no candies, cosmetics, or cell phones. Everyone in the pharmacy is trained in pharmacology. You don't have to wait a half hour to get prescriptions filled. You go to the counter hand them your prescription and they hand you a box of pills. Everything except specialized drugs are prepackaged. The price is the same at all pharmacies, about 25% to 90% less than what we pay in the US. Another big difference in pharmacies is they are there to consult with you concerning not just the medication but your illness often giving you information the doctor didn't. Many people will go to a pharmacist before going to the doctor.
Another difference in the systems is length of hospital stays. Beginning with the day you enter the hospital they are working toward getting you out of the hospital. I think they see the hospital as a place where you are treated and recovery begins but most of your recovery will be at home.
Most people are less concerned about healthcare issues than in the US and no one is worried about whether their treatment is covered or whether they can afford it.
So strange why you can't do a little research to see how ridiculous arguments about healthcare in the USA!
Great Britain/France combined population is only 40% of USA.
Very hard to make a comparison when the population of USA is not only GREATER but more diverse.
French is the only official language of France, and is constitutionally required to be the language of government and administration"!
* France: In 2004, 85% of the population of Metropolitan France was white or of European origin, with 10% from North Africa, 3.5% Black and 1.5% Asian.
* Great Britain: White: 55,073,552 87.17% Asian: 6.92% Black: 3.01%
* USA: White 72.4% Black 12.6? Asian 4.8% Two or more races: 9.3%
So you are making a comparison with 2 countries with LESS diverse population AND less then 40% the population!
Those two factors make your argument specious at most!
Finally... How many NEW drugs do the drug companies of Great Britain and France release?
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
A benchmark report estimates that the cost of bringing a drug to market has more than doubled in the past 10 years
CSDD’s finding, a bellwether figure in the drug industry, is based on an average out-of-pocket cost of $1.4 billion and an estimate of $1.2 billion in returns that investors forego on that money during the 10-plus years a drug candidate spends in development. The center’s analysis drew from information provided by 10 pharmaceutical companies on 106 randomly selected drugs first tested in humans between 1995 and 2007.
The study concludes that another $312 million is spent on postapproval development—studies to test new indications, formulations, and dosage strengths—for a life-cycle cost of $2.9 billion,
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
B) So what country in this world has developed more Drugs then the USA???
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
95% of the new drugs coming on the market are developed for sale in the United States.
They are paid for by American consumers, while other countries, such as Canada, Germany and France, free ride at our expense.
The United States is the last major country that allows the market to set prices high enough to compensate pharmaceutical companies for their R&D investments.
Obama Care will increasingly control pharmaceutical prices as costs rise and federal and state funds fall short.
Major pharmaceutical advances will stop (How well will government labs work?), and the rest of the world will lose along with Americans.
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
In France, most drug prices are controlled by the government. Almost all drugs available in the US are available in France at very low prices, either as the brand name or generic. If a drug is not available, you can still purchase it but you'll pay higher prices.Not familiar with all countries but in Britain and France, basically yes. Services are delivered a bit differently. You might have to wait a bit longer than in the US for screenings and optional procedures but if you are really ill, services are every bit as good as in the US.Countries who do not spend what the US does on health care, do they have the same services?One of main reasons healthcare spending has been going up over the last 50 years is people demand better healthcare, early diagnosis for cancer, heart and kidney transplants, treatments for Hepatitis, HIV, Macular Degenration, Asthma, Major improvements in Orthopedics and artificial limbs, Diabetes Medications and Monitoring, Noninvasive Diagnostics, Tomography, Ultrasound, Vaccines for Cancer Prevention, Cervical Cancer Screening, and thousands of other medical miracles. Couple this with the expansions in Medicare and Medicaid, life savings and life altering medical care is available to both the rich and poor and it is being used as never before. The number of procedures performed by healthcare providers has increased by 400% over the last 50 years.
One of the big differences I noted in France was the pharmacies. They are so much more than what we have in the US in regard to healthcare. First, they are 100% about healthcare, no candies, cosmetics, or cell phones. Everyone in the pharmacy is trained in pharmacology. You don't have to wait a half hour to get prescriptions filled. You go to the counter hand them your prescription and they hand you a box of pills. Everything except specialized drugs are prepackaged. The price is the same at all pharmacies, about 25% to 90% less than what we pay in the US. Another big difference in pharmacies is they are there to consult with you concerning not just the medication but your illness often giving you information the doctor didn't. Many people will go to a pharmacist before going to the doctor.
Another difference in the systems is length of hospital stays. Beginning with the day you enter the hospital they are working toward getting you out of the hospital. I think they see the hospital as a place where you are treated and recovery begins but most of your recovery will be at home.
Most people are less concerned about healthcare issues than in the US and no one is worried about whether their treatment is covered or whether they can afford it.
So strange why you can't do a little research to see how ridiculous arguments about healthcare in the USA!
Great Britain/France combined population is only 40% of USA.
Very hard to make a comparison when the population of USA is not only GREATER but more diverse.
French is the only official language of France, and is constitutionally required to be the language of government and administration"!
* France: In 2004, 85% of the population of Metropolitan France was white or of European origin, with 10% from North Africa, 3.5% Black and 1.5% Asian.
* Great Britain: White: 55,073,552 87.17% Asian: 6.92% Black: 3.01%
* USA: White 72.4% Black 12.6? Asian 4.8% Two or more races: 9.3%
So you are making a comparison with 2 countries with LESS diverse population AND less then 40% the population!
Those two factors make your argument specious at most!
Finally... How many NEW drugs do the drug companies of Great Britain and France release?
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
A benchmark report estimates that the cost of bringing a drug to market has more than doubled in the past 10 years
CSDD’s finding, a bellwether figure in the drug industry, is based on an average out-of-pocket cost of $1.4 billion and an estimate of $1.2 billion in returns that investors forego on that money during the 10-plus years a drug candidate spends in development. The center’s analysis drew from information provided by 10 pharmaceutical companies on 106 randomly selected drugs first tested in humans between 1995 and 2007.
The study concludes that another $312 million is spent on postapproval development—studies to test new indications, formulations, and dosage strengths—for a life-cycle cost of $2.9 billion,
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
B) So what country in this world has developed more Drugs then the USA???
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
95% of the new drugs coming on the market are developed for sale in the United States.
They are paid for by American consumers, while other countries, such as Canada, Germany and France, free ride at our expense.
The United States is the last major country that allows the market to set prices high enough to compensate pharmaceutical companies for their R&D investments.
Obama Care will increasingly control pharmaceutical prices as costs rise and federal and state funds fall short.
Major pharmaceutical advances will stop (How well will government labs work?), and the rest of the world will lose along with Americans.
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
In France as in most larger countries in Europe, the government is a major contributor to drug research. Briton is second to the US in introducing new drugs and France is 3rd.
Government funded research dollars go where the medical community believe the greatest need is. Drug company research is directed at where the greatest profits lie, often in maintenance drugs to treat chronic conditions or new drugs that have no therapeutic value over existing drugs. One of the greatest needs in drug development is more effective antibiotics. However drug companies prefer to put the R&D dollars into drugs that people take for a life time, not two weeks. Also, much of drug company research is not aimed at new drugs, only minor changes to existing drugs such as extended release, repackaging, changing delivery method. These all extend patents and can produce huge profits with limited healthcare benefits.
A major difference I see in the French healthcare system is the patient is not pushed into healthcare services to increase revenue. Typically, a doctor will make suggestions as to diagnostics and treatment. In the US healthcare system, we put the doctor in charge which may well be good medical practice but with a fee for service system such as ours it add billions of dollars to medical cost.
For example, a see my family doctor about a worsen cough and he says I need to see a pulmonologist who is right down the hall and he will be happy to get me an appointment. I see him and he schedules me for a CT Scan and reports that I have asthma which of course I knew already. He schedules a complete set of breathing tests which tells how bad it is, which I already told him. And just to make sure there is no cardiac involvement he recommends I see a cardiologist who is in the same building. After seeing the cardiologist, having an EKG and a stress test, I find I may have a minor problem which needs to be monitored. So after seeing three doctors, having a half dozen tests at a cost of probably $10,000, I take the same medication but now see three doctors two or three times a year so they monitor my condition. The difference in countries like France and Briton, is no one is trying to sell you medical services. It's entirely patients decision.
BTW I'm not saying the French, British, or any other country's healthcare system would work well in the US. I am saying there are huge advantages to their systems when it comes to quality of care and cost. The kind of health system a country has is unfortunately often determined by the political system in that country.
What about folks who lose their jobs due to automation or immigration? Lose your job, you lose your healthcare insurance. Unless you go on the government plans which are damn expensive, until you are dead broke.Who said anything about paying someone else's bill? What's next you are going to prohibit people from using roads? Install toll booths so only those who can pay uses the roads?[QUOT
1. do you have health care insurance?
2. do you propose just letting people die?
3. do you propose to keep letting people go bankrupt?
4. what if all healthcare was paid for by corporate America, much like it is today?
It is not my responsibility to pay somebody else's heath care bills. It is their responsibility.
Is the concept of personal responsibility beyond your comprehension? I suspect it is because for most Liberals that is an alien concept.
Answer one question, do you have company sponsored health care? You won't answer I'll bet money.
Youare really confused about this, aren't you?
That is what single payer is. Socialized medicine where the filthy government collects taxes from the productive people and use it to pay for medical care for everybody. If you are a sorry ass piece of shit, illegal alien, Muslim refugee or third generation welfare queen you get to have your medical pays paid for by the productive Americans.
It is wrong.
[QU
What about folks who lose their jobs due to automation or immigration? Lose your job, you lose your healthcare insurance. Unless you go on the government plans which are damn expensive, until you are dead broke.
I realize it is a feel good thing to keep pointing out that you work and there are some that do not. But I find it hard to believe that in this country of such wealth we need to tell people, a very small proportion of people, to go screw themselves. Besides, what we have today isn't working well they are gouging your eyes out and you don't even realize it or care.
In France, most drug prices are controlled by the government. Almost all drugs available in the US are available in France at very low prices, either as the brand name or generic. If a drug is not available, you can still purchase it but you'll pay higher prices.Not familiar with all countries but in Britain and France, basically yes. Services are delivered a bit differently. You might have to wait a bit longer than in the US for screenings and optional procedures but if you are really ill, services are every bit as good as in the US.Countries who do not spend what the US does on health care, do they have the same services?One of main reasons healthcare spending has been going up over the last 50 years is people demand better healthcare, early diagnosis for cancer, heart and kidney transplants, treatments for Hepatitis, HIV, Macular Degenration, Asthma, Major improvements in Orthopedics and artificial limbs, Diabetes Medications and Monitoring, Noninvasive Diagnostics, Tomography, Ultrasound, Vaccines for Cancer Prevention, Cervical Cancer Screening, and thousands of other medical miracles. Couple this with the expansions in Medicare and Medicaid, life savings and life altering medical care is available to both the rich and poor and it is being used as never before. The number of procedures performed by healthcare providers has increased by 400% over the last 50 years.
One of the big differences I noted in France was the pharmacies. They are so much more than what we have in the US in regard to healthcare. First, they are 100% about healthcare, no candies, cosmetics, or cell phones. Everyone in the pharmacy is trained in pharmacology. You don't have to wait a half hour to get prescriptions filled. You go to the counter hand them your prescription and they hand you a box of pills. Everything except specialized drugs are prepackaged. The price is the same at all pharmacies, about 25% to 90% less than what we pay in the US. Another big difference in pharmacies is they are there to consult with you concerning not just the medication but your illness often giving you information the doctor didn't. Many people will go to a pharmacist before going to the doctor.
Another difference in the systems is length of hospital stays. Beginning with the day you enter the hospital they are working toward getting you out of the hospital. I think they see the hospital as a place where you are treated and recovery begins but most of your recovery will be at home.
Most people are less concerned about healthcare issues than in the US and no one is worried about whether their treatment is covered or whether they can afford it.
So strange why you can't do a little research to see how ridiculous arguments about healthcare in the USA!
Great Britain/France combined population is only 40% of USA.
Very hard to make a comparison when the population of USA is not only GREATER but more diverse.
French is the only official language of France, and is constitutionally required to be the language of government and administration"!
* France: In 2004, 85% of the population of Metropolitan France was white or of European origin, with 10% from North Africa, 3.5% Black and 1.5% Asian.
* Great Britain: White: 55,073,552 87.17% Asian: 6.92% Black: 3.01%
* USA: White 72.4% Black 12.6? Asian 4.8% Two or more races: 9.3%
So you are making a comparison with 2 countries with LESS diverse population AND less then 40% the population!
Those two factors make your argument specious at most!
Finally... How many NEW drugs do the drug companies of Great Britain and France release?
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
A benchmark report estimates that the cost of bringing a drug to market has more than doubled in the past 10 years
CSDD’s finding, a bellwether figure in the drug industry, is based on an average out-of-pocket cost of $1.4 billion and an estimate of $1.2 billion in returns that investors forego on that money during the 10-plus years a drug candidate spends in development. The center’s analysis drew from information provided by 10 pharmaceutical companies on 106 randomly selected drugs first tested in humans between 1995 and 2007.
The study concludes that another $312 million is spent on postapproval development—studies to test new indications, formulations, and dosage strengths—for a life-cycle cost of $2.9 billion,
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
B) So what country in this world has developed more Drugs then the USA???
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
95% of the new drugs coming on the market are developed for sale in the United States.
They are paid for by American consumers, while other countries, such as Canada, Germany and France, free ride at our expense.
The United States is the last major country that allows the market to set prices high enough to compensate pharmaceutical companies for their R&D investments.
Obama Care will increasingly control pharmaceutical prices as costs rise and federal and state funds fall short.
Major pharmaceutical advances will stop (How well will government labs work?), and the rest of the world will lose along with Americans.
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
In France as in most larger countries in Europe, the government is a major contributor to drug research. Briton is second to the US in introducing new drugs and France is 3rd.
Government funded research dollars go where the medical community believe the greatest need is. Drug company research is directed at where the greatest profits lie, often in maintenance drugs to treat chronic conditions or new drugs that have no therapeutic value over existing drugs. One of the greatest needs in drug development is more effective antibiotics. However drug companies prefer to put the R&D dollars into drugs that people take for a life time, not two weeks. Also, much of drug company research is not aimed at new drugs, only minor changes to existing drugs such as extended release, repackaging, changing delivery method. These all extend patents and can produce huge profits with limited healthcare benefits.
A major difference I see in the French healthcare system is the patient is not pushed into healthcare services to increase revenue. Typically, a doctor will make suggestions as to diagnostics and treatment. In the US healthcare system, we put the doctor in charge which may well be good medical practice but with a fee for service system such as ours it add billions of dollars to medical cost.
For example, a see my family doctor about a worsen cough and he says I need to see a pulmonologist who is right down the hall and he will be happy to get me an appointment. I see him and he schedules me for a CT Scan and reports that I have asthma which of course I knew already. He schedules a complete set of breathing tests which tells how bad it is, which I already told him. And just to make sure there is no cardiac involvement he recommends I see a cardiologist who is in the same building. After seeing the cardiologist, having an EKG and a stress test, I find I may have a minor problem which needs to be monitored. So after seeing three doctors, having a half dozen tests at a cost of probably $10,000, I take the same medication but now see three doctors two or three times a year so they monitor my condition. The difference in countries like France and Briton, is no one is trying to sell you medical services. It's entirely patients decision.
BTW I'm not saying the French, British, or any other country's healthcare system would work well in the US. I am saying there are huge advantages to their systems when it comes to quality of care and cost. The kind of health system a country has is unfortunately often determined by the political system in that country.
So, if the doctors had suggested any of those test to you to decide, what would you have said? BTW, they don't force you to have additional testing. If you think it a waste of time you more or less could get out of them, But it might mean not getting the prescriptions you need.
I have never had a lot of defensive medicine. I even started working out and told my sleep doctor, cardiologist, that if I was too strenuous I had some chest pain. I didn't think it a problem but he did and sent me for a stress test, which in retrospect I am not really sure what I expected. I passed the stress test, hardest thing I have done in a long while, and that was the end of it. I went back to working out and have yet to drop over.
Me thinks that a lot of the "extra" testing you talk about is a doctor being careful, everyone makes mistakes and they just want to be sure. Couple that with, I believe, the doctors make a profit from prescribing tests. When I told my PCP about the being prescribed a stress test his first comment was, "that's my job."
What about folks who lose their jobs due to automation or immigration? Lose your job, you lose your healthcare insurance. Unless you go on the government plans which are damn expensive, until you are dead broke.Who said anything about paying someone else's bill? What's next you are going to prohibit people from using roads? Install toll booths so only those who can pay uses the roads?[QUOT
1. do you have health care insurance?
2. do you propose just letting people die?
3. do you propose to keep letting people go bankrupt?
4. what if all healthcare was paid for by corporate America, much like it is today?
It is not my responsibility to pay somebody else's heath care bills. It is their responsibility.
Is the concept of personal responsibility beyond your comprehension? I suspect it is because for most Liberals that is an alien concept.
Answer one question, do you have company sponsored health care? You won't answer I'll bet money.
Youare really confused about this, aren't you?
That is what single payer is. Socialized medicine where the filthy government collects taxes from the productive people and use it to pay for medical care for everybody. If you are a sorry ass piece of shit, illegal alien, Muslim refugee or third generation welfare queen you get to have your medical pays paid for by the productive Americans.
It is wrong.
I realize it is a feel good thing to keep pointing out that you work and there are some that do not. But I find it hard to believe that in this country of such wealth we need to tell people, a very small proportion of people, to go screw themselves. Besides, what we have today isn't working well they are gouging your eyes out and you don't even realize it or care.
It is not my responsibility to pay somebody else's heath care bills. It is their responsibility.
Is the concept of personal responsibility beyond your comprehension? I suspect it is because for most Liberals that is an alien concept.
That is what single payer is. Socialized medicine where the filthy government collects taxes from the productive people and use it to pay for medical care for everybody.
What part of "it is not my problem to pay the bills of other people" don't you understand? Go be poor someplace else.
By the way Moon Bat, the best way not to be poor (besides actually working) is to not help elect Liberals that screw up the economy with disastrous Left Wing economics that always fail.
That is what single payer is. Socialized medicine where the filthy government collects taxes from the productive people and use it to pay for medical care for everybody.
As opposed to right now, where a private company unaccountable to you collects premiums from healthy people and uses them to pad their corporate profits before spending even a dime on your health care. Why do you want to preserve that system? A single payer levels the playing field for providers by reimbursing all of them at the same rate. Then it's incumbent on the providers to attract patients by improving outcomes and reducing costs. As opposed to now, when you can only go see a doctor in your insurance network, in your state. A single payer plan is 100% portable. Private insurance isn't.
That is what single payer is. Socialized medicine where the filthy government collects taxes from the productive people and use it to pay for medical care for everybody.
As opposed to right now, where a private company unaccountable to you collects premiums from healthy people and uses them to pad their corporate profits before spending even a dime on your health care. Why do you want to preserve that system? A single payer levels the playing field for providers by reimbursing all of them at the same rate. Then it's incumbent on the providers to attract patients by improving outcomes and reducing costs. As opposed to now, when you can only go see a doctor in your insurance network, in your state. A single payer plan is 100% portable. Private insurance isn't.
Yeap. Trust me, I hate being right.
Now, the left are able to blame Trump for obamacare failing.
Makes you wonder, if it was obama that sabotaged hillary.
Donald J. Trump Donald J. Trump What part of "it is not my problem to pay the bills of other people" don't you understand? Go be poor someplace else.
What do you think health insurance is????? It literally is you paying for health care for other people.
By the way Moon Bat, the best way not to be poor (besides actually working) is to not help elect Liberals that screw up the economy with disastrous Left Wing economics that always fail.
Wages and employment have historically grown better under Democratic administrations than Conservative ones. Even right now, after 6 months of Trump, his job creation and wage growth rates are below what Obama's were.
Most of what many consider unnecessary testing falls under the category of good medicine. If you have an MRI and the doctor diagnoses a cancer and it's treated doesn't it make good sense to make sure the treatment was completely effective and the disease is actually gone? Many conditions can only be effective treated by monitoring the conditions with various tests run over and over.In France, most drug prices are controlled by the government. Almost all drugs available in the US are available in France at very low prices, either as the brand name or generic. If a drug is not available, you can still purchase it but you'll pay higher prices.Not familiar with all countries but in Britain and France, basically yes. Services are delivered a bit differently. You might have to wait a bit longer than in the US for screenings and optional procedures but if you are really ill, services are every bit as good as in the US.Countries who do not spend what the US does on health care, do they have the same services?One of main reasons healthcare spending has been going up over the last 50 years is people demand better healthcare, early diagnosis for cancer, heart and kidney transplants, treatments for Hepatitis, HIV, Macular Degenration, Asthma, Major improvements in Orthopedics and artificial limbs, Diabetes Medications and Monitoring, Noninvasive Diagnostics, Tomography, Ultrasound, Vaccines for Cancer Prevention, Cervical Cancer Screening, and thousands of other medical miracles. Couple this with the expansions in Medicare and Medicaid, life savings and life altering medical care is available to both the rich and poor and it is being used as never before. The number of procedures performed by healthcare providers has increased by 400% over the last 50 years.
One of the big differences I noted in France was the pharmacies. They are so much more than what we have in the US in regard to healthcare. First, they are 100% about healthcare, no candies, cosmetics, or cell phones. Everyone in the pharmacy is trained in pharmacology. You don't have to wait a half hour to get prescriptions filled. You go to the counter hand them your prescription and they hand you a box of pills. Everything except specialized drugs are prepackaged. The price is the same at all pharmacies, about 25% to 90% less than what we pay in the US. Another big difference in pharmacies is they are there to consult with you concerning not just the medication but your illness often giving you information the doctor didn't. Many people will go to a pharmacist before going to the doctor.
Another difference in the systems is length of hospital stays. Beginning with the day you enter the hospital they are working toward getting you out of the hospital. I think they see the hospital as a place where you are treated and recovery begins but most of your recovery will be at home.
Most people are less concerned about healthcare issues than in the US and no one is worried about whether their treatment is covered or whether they can afford it.
So strange why you can't do a little research to see how ridiculous arguments about healthcare in the USA!
Great Britain/France combined population is only 40% of USA.
Very hard to make a comparison when the population of USA is not only GREATER but more diverse.
French is the only official language of France, and is constitutionally required to be the language of government and administration"!
* France: In 2004, 85% of the population of Metropolitan France was white or of European origin, with 10% from North Africa, 3.5% Black and 1.5% Asian.
* Great Britain: White: 55,073,552 87.17% Asian: 6.92% Black: 3.01%
* USA: White 72.4% Black 12.6? Asian 4.8% Two or more races: 9.3%
So you are making a comparison with 2 countries with LESS diverse population AND less then 40% the population!
Those two factors make your argument specious at most!
Finally... How many NEW drugs do the drug companies of Great Britain and France release?
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
A benchmark report estimates that the cost of bringing a drug to market has more than doubled in the past 10 years
CSDD’s finding, a bellwether figure in the drug industry, is based on an average out-of-pocket cost of $1.4 billion and an estimate of $1.2 billion in returns that investors forego on that money during the 10-plus years a drug candidate spends in development. The center’s analysis drew from information provided by 10 pharmaceutical companies on 106 randomly selected drugs first tested in humans between 1995 and 2007.
The study concludes that another $312 million is spent on postapproval development—studies to test new indications, formulations, and dosage strengths—for a life-cycle cost of $2.9 billion,
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
B) So what country in this world has developed more Drugs then the USA???
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
95% of the new drugs coming on the market are developed for sale in the United States.
They are paid for by American consumers, while other countries, such as Canada, Germany and France, free ride at our expense.
The United States is the last major country that allows the market to set prices high enough to compensate pharmaceutical companies for their R&D investments.
Obama Care will increasingly control pharmaceutical prices as costs rise and federal and state funds fall short.
Major pharmaceutical advances will stop (How well will government labs work?), and the rest of the world will lose along with Americans.
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
In France as in most larger countries in Europe, the government is a major contributor to drug research. Briton is second to the US in introducing new drugs and France is 3rd.
Government funded research dollars go where the medical community believe the greatest need is. Drug company research is directed at where the greatest profits lie, often in maintenance drugs to treat chronic conditions or new drugs that have no therapeutic value over existing drugs. One of the greatest needs in drug development is more effective antibiotics. However drug companies prefer to put the R&D dollars into drugs that people take for a life time, not two weeks. Also, much of drug company research is not aimed at new drugs, only minor changes to existing drugs such as extended release, repackaging, changing delivery method. These all extend patents and can produce huge profits with limited healthcare benefits.
A major difference I see in the French healthcare system is the patient is not pushed into healthcare services to increase revenue. Typically, a doctor will make suggestions as to diagnostics and treatment. In the US healthcare system, we put the doctor in charge which may well be good medical practice but with a fee for service system such as ours it add billions of dollars to medical cost.
For example, a see my family doctor about a worsen cough and he says I need to see a pulmonologist who is right down the hall and he will be happy to get me an appointment. I see him and he schedules me for a CT Scan and reports that I have asthma which of course I knew already. He schedules a complete set of breathing tests which tells how bad it is, which I already told him. And just to make sure there is no cardiac involvement he recommends I see a cardiologist who is in the same building. After seeing the cardiologist, having an EKG and a stress test, I find I may have a minor problem which needs to be monitored. So after seeing three doctors, having a half dozen tests at a cost of probably $10,000, I take the same medication but now see three doctors two or three times a year so they monitor my condition. The difference in countries like France and Briton, is no one is trying to sell you medical services. It's entirely patients decision.
BTW I'm not saying the French, British, or any other country's healthcare system would work well in the US. I am saying there are huge advantages to their systems when it comes to quality of care and cost. The kind of health system a country has is unfortunately often determined by the political system in that country.
So, if the doctors had suggested any of those test to you to decide, what would you have said? BTW, they don't force you to have additional testing. If you think it a waste of time you more or less could get out of them, But it might mean not getting the prescriptions you need.
I have never had a lot of defensive medicine. I even started working out and told my sleep doctor, cardiologist, that if I was too strenuous I had some chest pain. I didn't think it a problem but he did and sent me for a stress test, which in retrospect I am not really sure what I expected. I passed the stress test, hardest thing I have done in a long while, and that was the end of it. I went back to working out and have yet to drop over.
Me thinks that a lot of the "extra" testing you talk about is a doctor being careful, everyone makes mistakes and they just want to be sure. Couple that with, I believe, the doctors make a profit from prescribing tests. When I told my PCP about the being prescribed a stress test his first comment was, "that's my job."
Most of what many consider unnecessary testing falls under the category of good medicine. If you have an MRI and the doctor diagnoses a cancer and it's treated doesn't it make good sense to make sure the treatment was completely effective and the disease is actually gone? Many conditions can only be effective treated by monitoring the conditions with various tests run over and over.In France, most drug prices are controlled by the government. Almost all drugs available in the US are available in France at very low prices, either as the brand name or generic. If a drug is not available, you can still purchase it but you'll pay higher prices.Not familiar with all countries but in Britain and France, basically yes. Services are delivered a bit differently. You might have to wait a bit longer than in the US for screenings and optional procedures but if you are really ill, services are every bit as good as in the US.Countries who do not spend what the US does on health care, do they have the same services?
One of the big differences I noted in France was the pharmacies. They are so much more than what we have in the US in regard to healthcare. First, they are 100% about healthcare, no candies, cosmetics, or cell phones. Everyone in the pharmacy is trained in pharmacology. You don't have to wait a half hour to get prescriptions filled. You go to the counter hand them your prescription and they hand you a box of pills. Everything except specialized drugs are prepackaged. The price is the same at all pharmacies, about 25% to 90% less than what we pay in the US. Another big difference in pharmacies is they are there to consult with you concerning not just the medication but your illness often giving you information the doctor didn't. Many people will go to a pharmacist before going to the doctor.
Another difference in the systems is length of hospital stays. Beginning with the day you enter the hospital they are working toward getting you out of the hospital. I think they see the hospital as a place where you are treated and recovery begins but most of your recovery will be at home.
Most people are less concerned about healthcare issues than in the US and no one is worried about whether their treatment is covered or whether they can afford it.
So strange why you can't do a little research to see how ridiculous arguments about healthcare in the USA!
Great Britain/France combined population is only 40% of USA.
Very hard to make a comparison when the population of USA is not only GREATER but more diverse.
French is the only official language of France, and is constitutionally required to be the language of government and administration"!
* France: In 2004, 85% of the population of Metropolitan France was white or of European origin, with 10% from North Africa, 3.5% Black and 1.5% Asian.
* Great Britain: White: 55,073,552 87.17% Asian: 6.92% Black: 3.01%
* USA: White 72.4% Black 12.6? Asian 4.8% Two or more races: 9.3%
So you are making a comparison with 2 countries with LESS diverse population AND less then 40% the population!
Those two factors make your argument specious at most!
Finally... How many NEW drugs do the drug companies of Great Britain and France release?
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
A benchmark report estimates that the cost of bringing a drug to market has more than doubled in the past 10 years
CSDD’s finding, a bellwether figure in the drug industry, is based on an average out-of-pocket cost of $1.4 billion and an estimate of $1.2 billion in returns that investors forego on that money during the 10-plus years a drug candidate spends in development. The center’s analysis drew from information provided by 10 pharmaceutical companies on 106 randomly selected drugs first tested in humans between 1995 and 2007.
The study concludes that another $312 million is spent on postapproval development—studies to test new indications, formulations, and dosage strengths—for a life-cycle cost of $2.9 billion,
Cost to Develop New Pharmaceutical Drug Now Exceeds $2.5B
B) So what country in this world has developed more Drugs then the USA???
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
95% of the new drugs coming on the market are developed for sale in the United States.
They are paid for by American consumers, while other countries, such as Canada, Germany and France, free ride at our expense.
The United States is the last major country that allows the market to set prices high enough to compensate pharmaceutical companies for their R&D investments.
Obama Care will increasingly control pharmaceutical prices as costs rise and federal and state funds fall short.
Major pharmaceutical advances will stop (How well will government labs work?), and the rest of the world will lose along with Americans.
Obama Care Will End Drug Advances and Europe's Free Ride (Unless China Steps in)
In France as in most larger countries in Europe, the government is a major contributor to drug research. Briton is second to the US in introducing new drugs and France is 3rd.
Government funded research dollars go where the medical community believe the greatest need is. Drug company research is directed at where the greatest profits lie, often in maintenance drugs to treat chronic conditions or new drugs that have no therapeutic value over existing drugs. One of the greatest needs in drug development is more effective antibiotics. However drug companies prefer to put the R&D dollars into drugs that people take for a life time, not two weeks. Also, much of drug company research is not aimed at new drugs, only minor changes to existing drugs such as extended release, repackaging, changing delivery method. These all extend patents and can produce huge profits with limited healthcare benefits.
A major difference I see in the French healthcare system is the patient is not pushed into healthcare services to increase revenue. Typically, a doctor will make suggestions as to diagnostics and treatment. In the US healthcare system, we put the doctor in charge which may well be good medical practice but with a fee for service system such as ours it add billions of dollars to medical cost.
For example, a see my family doctor about a worsen cough and he says I need to see a pulmonologist who is right down the hall and he will be happy to get me an appointment. I see him and he schedules me for a CT Scan and reports that I have asthma which of course I knew already. He schedules a complete set of breathing tests which tells how bad it is, which I already told him. And just to make sure there is no cardiac involvement he recommends I see a cardiologist who is in the same building. After seeing the cardiologist, having an EKG and a stress test, I find I may have a minor problem which needs to be monitored. So after seeing three doctors, having a half dozen tests at a cost of probably $10,000, I take the same medication but now see three doctors two or three times a year so they monitor my condition. The difference in countries like France and Briton, is no one is trying to sell you medical services. It's entirely patients decision.
BTW I'm not saying the French, British, or any other country's healthcare system would work well in the US. I am saying there are huge advantages to their systems when it comes to quality of care and cost. The kind of health system a country has is unfortunately often determined by the political system in that country.
So, if the doctors had suggested any of those test to you to decide, what would you have said? BTW, they don't force you to have additional testing. If you think it a waste of time you more or less could get out of them, But it might mean not getting the prescriptions you need.
I have never had a lot of defensive medicine. I even started working out and told my sleep doctor, cardiologist, that if I was too strenuous I had some chest pain. I didn't think it a problem but he did and sent me for a stress test, which in retrospect I am not really sure what I expected. I passed the stress test, hardest thing I have done in a long while, and that was the end of it. I went back to working out and have yet to drop over.
Me thinks that a lot of the "extra" testing you talk about is a doctor being careful, everyone makes mistakes and they just want to be sure. Couple that with, I believe, the doctors make a profit from prescribing tests. When I told my PCP about the being prescribed a stress test his first comment was, "that's my job."
I think much of the defensive medicine claim comes from healthcare providers who want laws to limit medical malpractice suits in order to bring down the cost of malpractice insurance.
Even if we limited medical malpractice suits, healthcare professional will run the tests because there are sound medical reasons to do and they make money in one way or another by doing so.
