Bashing Ayn Rand

[Sallow]

The USA was basically a "randian society" until about 1930. Yes, there were problems with that, labor laws were needed--now we have them. But the fact remains that that period of time and that freedom was what made this nation the greatest in the history of the world-----small government, individual freedom, free markets, individual responsibility and accountability, low taxes, innovation, experimentation. FREEDOM. It works!

It was never a Randian society, asshole.

The Constitution is exactly the type of Document that Rand rails against.

Discussing the message of Atlas Shrugged with you is like talking about plato with my dog.

What she wrote about in Atlas is happening today. What do you think the "equalization of opportuinity" act in the book was about?

have you read Atlas? or are you just copying what some other fool has said?

After trying to get through the Fountainhead, faggot, I vowed never to pick up such trite again.

And it seems I was right.

Rand was a third rate writer and a fourth rate philosopher.

 

[Redfish]

"some marginally competent GS 9 concerned about the consumer first" or "some marginally competent bean counter concerned about the business first".
Classic definitions always trump made up current wannabee definitions.

ACA may be government intrusion or interference or reform, but it is not socialism.

Oh, Rand and her philosophy simply are not relevant to our society.

not a valid analogy. I guess your definition of socialism is government ownership of the means or production. So I ask you, if the govt controls every aspect of medicine aren't they controlling the means of production of medical services?

 

[Sallow]

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sorry, swallow. its not bullshit. obamacare is hurting working people, unions want out of it, congress wants to be exempt. It is a total disaster. worst piece of legislation by the worst president in american history.

No it is bullshit you fucking faggot.

You shouldn't ask a 52 year old man for a fucking swallow either you homosexual asshole.

Because your right wing blogs and the asshole CEO of Poppa John's, who's company makes the shittiest pizza in creation say something stupid..doesn't mean the rest of the world is following suit.

So fuck you fag.

your juvenile attempts at insults just verify that you cannot defend your positions against facts.

I could reply in kind and hurl more effective insults but you are not worth the effort.

I'm not "insulting" I am describing.

You are a faggot.

Deal.

 

[Sallow]

"some marginally competent GS 9 concerned about the consumer first" or "some marginally competent bean counter concerned about the business first".
Classic definitions always trump made up current wannabee definitions.

ACA may be government intrusion or interference or reform, but it is not socialism.

Oh, Rand and her philosophy simply are not relevant to our society.

not a valid analogy. I guess your definition of socialism is government ownership of the means or production. So I ask you, if the govt controls every aspect of medicine aren't they controlling the means of production of medical services?

The ACA doesn't allow government control of medical services you flaming fag.

Medicare does.

Not only are you a cock sucker you are fucking stupid.

 

[Redfish]

It was never a Randian society, asshole.

The Constitution is exactly the type of Document that Rand rails against.

Discussing the message of Atlas Shrugged with you is like talking about plato with my dog.

What she wrote about in Atlas is happening today. What do you think the "equalization of opportuinity" act in the book was about?

have you read Atlas? or are you just copying what some other fool has said?

After trying to get through the Fountainhead, faggot, I vowed never to pick up such trite again.

And it seems I was right.

Rand was a third rate writer and a fourth rate philosopher.

OK, thanks for admitting that you have not read Atlas Shrugged and could not get through fountainhead------I did not like fountainhead either, but I did manage to read it.

Her writing is difficult and overly wordy. But you have to get past that to get to the message.

You are not gaining any credibility by merely parroting what others have said with no first hand knowledge of the topic.

BTW, why are you so angry? Why are all liberals angry? Is your world such a miserable place that you are pissed off 100% of the time.?

 

[Redfish]

"some marginally competent GS 9 concerned about the consumer first" or "some marginally competent bean counter concerned about the business first".
Classic definitions always trump made up current wannabee definitions.

ACA may be government intrusion or interference or reform, but it is not socialism.

Oh, Rand and her philosophy simply are not relevant to our society.

not a valid analogy. I guess your definition of socialism is government ownership of the means or production. So I ask you, if the govt controls every aspect of medicine aren't they controlling the means of production of medical services?

The ACA doesn't allow government control of medical services you flaming fag.

Medicare does.

Not only are you a cock sucker you are fucking stupid.

^^^^this folks is what liberals resort to when defeated by facts, logic, reason, and common sense.

 

[Meathead]

I'm not "insulting" I am describing.

You are a faggot.

Deal.

They are not mutually exclusive Swallow. For example, I could call someone a cocksucker. Get it?

 

[Redfish]

No it is bullshit you fucking faggot.

You shouldn't ask a 52 year old man for a fucking swallow either you homosexual asshole.

Because your right wing blogs and the asshole CEO of Poppa John's, who's company makes the shittiest pizza in creation say something stupid..doesn't mean the rest of the world is following suit.

So fuck you fag.

your juvenile attempts at insults just verify that you cannot defend your positions against facts.

I could reply in kind and hurl more effective insults but you are not worth the effort.

I'm not "insulting" I am describing.

You are a faggot.

Deal.

 

[Sallow]

Discussing the message of Atlas Shrugged with you is like talking about plato with my dog.

What she wrote about in Atlas is happening today. What do you think the "equalization of opportuinity" act in the book was about?

have you read Atlas? or are you just copying what some other fool has said?

After trying to get through the Fountainhead, faggot, I vowed never to pick up such trite again.

And it seems I was right.

Rand was a third rate writer and a fourth rate philosopher.

OK, thanks for admitting that you have not read Atlas Shrugged and could not get through fountainhead------I did not like fountainhead either, but I did manage to read it.

Her writing is difficult and overly wordy. But you have to get past that to get to the message.

You are not gaining any credibility by merely parroting what others have said with no first hand knowledge of the topic.

BTW, why are you so angry? Why are all liberals angry? Is your world such a miserable place that you are pissed off 100% of the time.?

Her "writing" wasn't overly wordy..it was crap.

As to not having "credibility" with a batshit crazy homosexual right wing bomb thrower..don't worry..I'll live.

 

[Sallow]

your juvenile attempts at insults just verify that you cannot defend your positions against facts.

I could reply in kind and hurl more effective insults but you are not worth the effort.

I'm not "insulting" I am describing.

You are a faggot.

Deal.

Another gay fantasy..

Sheesh.

 

[editec]

I find it somewhat astounding that people take the insults of obvious trolls so seriously.

Seriously enough to have an ongoing multiple post insult-fest, at least.

If you are the aggrieved party who has been targeted for trolling, reponding in kind surely isn't going to stop it.

Almost every thread ends like this, with two people no longer discussing the issue, but instead trading childish insults for post after post until anyone still interested in discussing the original issue simply abandons the discussion.

Why bother?

 

[Redfish]

After trying to get through the Fountainhead, faggot, I vowed never to pick up such trite again.

And it seems I was right.

Rand was a third rate writer and a fourth rate philosopher.

OK, thanks for admitting that you have not read Atlas Shrugged and could not get through fountainhead------I did not like fountainhead either, but I did manage to read it.

Her writing is difficult and overly wordy. But you have to get past that to get to the message.

You are not gaining any credibility by merely parroting what others have said with no first hand knowledge of the topic.

BTW, why are you so angry? Why are all liberals angry? Is your world such a miserable place that you are pissed off 100% of the time.?

Her "writing" wasn't overly wordy..it was crap.

As to not having "credibility" with a batshit crazy homosexual right wing bomb thrower..don't worry..I'll live.

LOL, you make me laugh, swallow. For the record I am a cajun heterosexual, have never thrown a bomb, and have a very high IQ, I have seen a lot of bats, but never any batshit.

Idiot liberals like you are pitiful creatures, you live miserable lives, never enjoy anything, are perpetually angry, and must the the losers of the world that you hate so much.

I really feel sorry for you. Maybe a trip to a shrink would help you.

 

[Redfish]

I find it somewhat astounding that people take the insults of obvious trolls so seriously.

Seriously enough to have an ongoing multiple post insult-fest, at least.

If you are the aggrieved party who has been targeted for trolling, reponding in kind surely isn't going to stop it.

of course you are right, but swallow makes it so much fun.

 

[Sallow]

I'm not "insulting" I am describing.

You are a faggot.

Deal.

They are not mutually exclusive Swallow. For example, I could call someone a cocksucker. Get it?

Funny you mention cocksucking and swallowing in the same sentence.

For the record..no. I ain't into men.

Perhaps you and Redfag can get together.

Two right wing fags.

Match made!

 

[JoeB131]

hundreds of companies are reducing hours below 30/week to escape obamacare. its either that or close their doors, which would you do?

It's already not pretty. I have three business clients who are preparing to do this and a couple others who have asked about it. It's ridiculous enough that businesses should be burdened with health care, but this whole thing is just a bad joke.

The most telling thing is the fact that unions are now admitting it too: [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57586030/now-some-unions-upset-over-obamacare/]Now, some unions upset over Obamacare - CBS News[/URL]

And it's more than hundreds. Every qualifying business has had to look at this, and most of had to make decisions. Effin' madness.

.

But again, whose fault is that.

The problem with the ACA is that the Public Option was taken off the table, the Medicare Buy In for those over 55 was taken off the table, etc.

Businesses were already struggling to provide this benefit, and the burden was increased.

Again, single payer, solves all the problems, but that's too much like socialism for some people.

 

[Sallow]

OK, thanks for admitting that you have not read Atlas Shrugged and could not get through fountainhead------I did not like fountainhead either, but I did manage to read it.

Her writing is difficult and overly wordy. But you have to get past that to get to the message.

You are not gaining any credibility by merely parroting what others have said with no first hand knowledge of the topic.

BTW, why are you so angry? Why are all liberals angry? Is your world such a miserable place that you are pissed off 100% of the time.?

Her "writing" wasn't overly wordy..it was crap.

As to not having "credibility" with a batshit crazy homosexual right wing bomb thrower..don't worry..I'll live.

LOL, you make me laugh, swallow. For the record I am a cajun heterosexual, have never thrown a bomb, and have a very high IQ, I have seen a lot of bats, but never any batshit.

Idiot liberals like you are pitiful creatures, you live miserable lives, never enjoy anything, are perpetually angry, and must the the losers of the world that you hate so much.

I really feel sorry for you. Maybe a trip to a shrink would help you.

For the record you are a fucking flaming fag asking for a swallow.

And no..single digit IQs don't count as high.

My life is pretty fun, by the way. I live in a duplex in Brooklyn, own an apartment in Manhattan, and work for the financial industry. This affords me an income that has allowed me to travel the world.

Your world?

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[Sallow]

I find it somewhat astounding that people take the insults of obvious trolls so seriously.

Seriously enough to have an ongoing multiple post insult-fest, at least.

If you are the aggrieved party who has been targeted for trolling, reponding in kind surely isn't going to stop it.

Almost every thread ends like this, with two people no longer discussing the issue, but instead trading childish insults for post after post until anyone still interested in discussing the original issue simply abandons the discussion.

Why bother?

I like a good piss and vinegar fight every now and again..

 

[Redfish]

hundreds of companies are reducing hours below 30/week to escape obamacare. its either that or close their doors, which would you do?

It's already not pretty. I have three business clients who are preparing to do this and a couple others who have asked about it. It's ridiculous enough that businesses should be burdened with health care, but this whole thing is just a bad joke.

The most telling thing is the fact that unions are now admitting it too: [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57586030/now-some-unions-upset-over-obamacare/]Now, some unions upset over Obamacare - CBS News[/URL]

And it's more than hundreds. Every qualifying business has had to look at this, and most of had to make decisions. Effin' madness.

.

But again, whose fault is that.

The problem with the ACA is that the Public Option was taken off the table, the Medicare Buy In for those over 55 was taken off the table, etc.

Businesses were already struggling to provide this benefit, and the burden was increased.

Again, single payer, solves all the problems, but that's too much like socialism for some people.

As I said to someone earlier, if you want some marginally competent GS9 making your healthcare decisions for you, fine. I do not. Single govt payer is a terrible idea. Can you name one program that the govt has ever operated efficiently?

You libs rant about waste in DOD, govt medicine would be orders of magnitude worse that DOD could ever be.

 

[midcan5]

I always found it fascinating that late in life she came to depend on the very ideas of collectivism (medicare) she bashes as a young person.

"While Whittaker Chambers’ famous 1957 condemnation of Rand may sound over-torqued half a century later: “From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: “To a gas chamber — go!” It remains true that Ayn Rand seems to revel in the death and destruction that follows by disregarding her philosophy: most famously in the ghoulish scene in Atlas Shrugged where Rand details the suffocation of the passengers on a train as it enters a tunnel. Rand explains how everyone on the train deserved to die because they held incorrect ideas: "It is said that catastrophes are a matter of pure chance, and there were those who would have said that the passengers of the Comet were not guilty or responsible for the thing that happened to them.""

"Rand’s popularity tells us two things about the state of modern conservatism...First, it suggests that Rand’s atheism and permissive social views are no longer deal-breakers among conservative thought leaders....Beck and Limbaugh can use the parts of Rand they want to use and not engage the rest.” Tea Party Embraces Ayn Rand

http://www.usmessageboard.com/writing/50820-atlas-panted.html

"If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject." Ayn Rand

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1RxKW-P5V8]Ayn Rand - Liberty vs Socialism - YouTube[/ame]

 

[FA_Q2]

"some marginally competent GS 9 concerned about the consumer first" or "some marginally competent bean counter concerned about the business first".
Classic definitions always trump made up current wannabee definitions.

ACA may be government intrusion or interference or reform, but it is not socialism.

Oh, Rand and her philosophy simply are not relevant to our society.

not a valid analogy. I guess your definition of socialism is government ownership of the means or production. So I ask you, if the govt controls every aspect of medicine aren't they controlling the means of production of medical services?

It really is not socialism because socialism would place government directly as the arbiter or medical services. It is much close to corporatism as the government is giving the insurance companies legally bound customers. That is the real sad part about the ACA. They have eliminated the entire purpose of insurance companies (assessing risk and creating pools) but not the companies themselves. All they have to do now is profit….

Hell, the profit margin is even set. The worst part is that the left is openly supporting this bullshit.