Because of no right to own firearms...

[Rustic]

The cesspool that is Western Europe...

Home Secretary Sajid Javid reveals how he was a moped mugging victim as he launches battle to beat villains

Less than one in 20 street robberies are being solved by police | Daily Mail Online

The guns are needed to protect ourselves against the government. This is why the leftists want to so badly to ban them.

Especially if they decide to open the borders like in Europe. Patriots will line up and declare an open season on the savages, and shortly after the idiots in power will be safely removed and deported to their utopias.

So you need a big ol AR so you can shoot police officers ?

Lol
Only a naïve son of a bitch would use big to describe an AR...
Quit Falling down the well

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The cesspool that is Western Europe...

Home Secretary Sajid Javid reveals how he was a moped mugging victim as he launches battle to beat villains

Less than one in 20 street robberies are being solved by police | Daily Mail Online

The guns are needed to protect ourselves against the government. This is why the leftists want to so badly to ban them.

Especially if they decide to open the borders like in Europe. Patriots will line up and declare an open season on the savages, and shortly after the idiots in power will be safely removed and deported to their utopias.

So you need a big ol AR so you can shoot police officers ?

Lol
Only a naïve son of a bitch would use big to describe an AR...
Quit Falling down the well

Only a stupid son of a bitch would not understand his comment.
Stop drinking the Coolaide.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

wrong....in 2016 there were 11,004 gun murders.

in 2016 there were 489 accidental gun deaths.

How do you get to 37,000? And even then you can't because if you throw in suicides it still doesn't get you there.....

And at the same time Americans used their legal guns 2.4 million times each year to stop violent criminals, according to the CDC, and as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate has gone down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And what City has caused those figures to drop? NYC. And how have they done that? They increased funding and public involvement in their Police Forces. It was done not by getting more civilian guns on the streets. It was done by getting more Criminal Guns off the streets by law enforcement. More Guns have never been the answer. The Answer has always been better Police and more public involvement. You gun nutters don't want to spend taxes for that since it would be a Democratic method and solution since it would require increasing taxes. And that would be, as you call it, a Socialist move. It's not socialist, it's just a fact of life that we need to spend money for a better police presence along with better training. But that would get in the way of your "More Guns" routine.

Wrong..... again.

It was done by Guilliani and they are living off of the techniques he used.....and since our gun murder rate in this country dropped 49%, and our gun crime rate dropped 75% as more Americans bought, and carried guns, law abiding citizens carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

The democrats are the ones releasing violent criminals back onto the streets you doofus....and de blasio is setting up the city to go back to the bad old days before Guilliani....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

 

[Rustic]

The cesspool that is Western Europe...

Home Secretary Sajid Javid reveals how he was a moped mugging victim as he launches battle to beat villains

Less than one in 20 street robberies are being solved by police | Daily Mail Online

The guns are needed to protect ourselves against the government. This is why the leftists want to so badly to ban them.

Especially if they decide to open the borders like in Europe. Patriots will line up and declare an open season on the savages, and shortly after the idiots in power will be safely removed and deported to their utopias.

So you need a big ol AR so you can shoot police officers ?

Lol
Only a naïve son of a bitch would use big to describe an AR...
Quit Falling down the well

Only a stupid son of a bitch would not understand his comment.
Stop drinking the Coolaide.

Political correctness has gotten to your head...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And what City has caused those figures to drop? NYC. And how have they done that? They increased funding and public involvement in their Police Forces. It was done not by getting more civilian guns on the streets. It was done by getting more Criminal Guns off the streets by law enforcement. More Guns have never been the answer. The Answer has always been better Police and more public involvement. You gun nutters don't want to spend taxes for that since it would be a Democratic method and solution since it would require increasing taxes. And that would be, as you call it, a Socialist move. It's not socialist, it's just a fact of life that we need to spend money for a better police presence along with better training. But that would get in the way of your "More Guns" routine.

Wrong..... again.

It was done by Guilliani and they are living off of the techniques he used.....and since our gun murder rate in this country dropped 49%, and our gun crime rate dropped 75% as more Americans bought, and carried guns, law abiding citizens carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

The democrats are the ones releasing violent criminals back onto the streets you doofus....and de blasio is setting up the city to go back to the bad old days before Guilliani....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wrong..... again.

It was done by Guilliani and they are living off of the techniques he used.....and since our gun murder rate in this country dropped 49%, and our gun crime rate dropped 75% as more Americans bought, and carried guns, law abiding citizens carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

The democrats are the ones releasing violent criminals back onto the streets you doofus....and de blasio is setting up the city to go back to the bad old days before Guilliani....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

71?There are 320 MILLION people n this Country and around 400 million firearms in private hands do the math and get back to me on this supposed epidemic.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong..... again.

It was done by Guilliani and they are living off of the techniques he used.....and since our gun murder rate in this country dropped 49%, and our gun crime rate dropped 75% as more Americans bought, and carried guns, law abiding citizens carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

The democrats are the ones releasing violent criminals back onto the streets you doofus....and de blasio is setting up the city to go back to the bad old days before Guilliani....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

Wrong....and you know it is wrong since you didn't provide a link......

 

[2aguy]

wrong....in 2016 there were 11,004 gun murders.

in 2016 there were 489 accidental gun deaths.

How do you get to 37,000? And even then you can't because if you throw in suicides it still doesn't get you there.....

And at the same time Americans used their legal guns 2.4 million times each year to stop violent criminals, according to the CDC, and as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate has gone down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And what City has caused those figures to drop? NYC. And how have they done that? They increased funding and public involvement in their Police Forces. It was done not by getting more civilian guns on the streets. It was done by getting more Criminal Guns off the streets by law enforcement. More Guns have never been the answer. The Answer has always been better Police and more public involvement. You gun nutters don't want to spend taxes for that since it would be a Democratic method and solution since it would require increasing taxes. And that would be, as you call it, a Socialist move. It's not socialist, it's just a fact of life that we need to spend money for a better police presence along with better training. But that would get in the way of your "More Guns" routine.

Wrong..... again.

It was done by Guilliani and they are living off of the techniques he used.....and since our gun murder rate in this country dropped 49%, and our gun crime rate dropped 75% as more Americans bought, and carried guns, law abiding citizens carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

The democrats are the ones releasing violent criminals back onto the streets you doofus....and de blasio is setting up the city to go back to the bad old days before Guilliani....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

You are talking out of your ass again.....

From the CDC.....you know, an actual government agency, not your ass......

Accidental gun deaths, in a country with close to 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense....notice...the number is going down, not up...

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html


2016 495
2015...489http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

 

[2aguy]

wrong....in 2016 there were 11,004 gun murders.

in 2016 there were 489 accidental gun deaths.

How do you get to 37,000? And even then you can't because if you throw in suicides it still doesn't get you there.....

And at the same time Americans used their legal guns 2.4 million times each year to stop violent criminals, according to the CDC, and as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate has gone down, not up...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

And what City has caused those figures to drop? NYC. And how have they done that? They increased funding and public involvement in their Police Forces. It was done not by getting more civilian guns on the streets. It was done by getting more Criminal Guns off the streets by law enforcement. More Guns have never been the answer. The Answer has always been better Police and more public involvement. You gun nutters don't want to spend taxes for that since it would be a Democratic method and solution since it would require increasing taxes. And that would be, as you call it, a Socialist move. It's not socialist, it's just a fact of life that we need to spend money for a better police presence along with better training. But that would get in the way of your "More Guns" routine.

Wrong..... again.

It was done by Guilliani and they are living off of the techniques he used.....and since our gun murder rate in this country dropped 49%, and our gun crime rate dropped 75% as more Americans bought, and carried guns, law abiding citizens carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

The democrats are the ones releasing violent criminals back onto the streets you doofus....and de blasio is setting up the city to go back to the bad old days before Guilliani....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Notice the actual rate of non fatal accidental shootings...from the CDC, which does not support what you posted...

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
CDC non fatal gun accident.....

1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

71?There are 320 MILLION people n this Country and around 400 million firearms in private hands do the math and get back to me on this supposed epidemic.

Children should be able to go to school and have the security in knowing that they are safe. Parents should be able to send their children to school with the knowledge they are going to be safe. It's not that way today. Thanks for your understanding and your support for school shootings both planned and accidental.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And what City has caused those figures to drop? NYC. And how have they done that? They increased funding and public involvement in their Police Forces. It was done not by getting more civilian guns on the streets. It was done by getting more Criminal Guns off the streets by law enforcement. More Guns have never been the answer. The Answer has always been better Police and more public involvement. You gun nutters don't want to spend taxes for that since it would be a Democratic method and solution since it would require increasing taxes. And that would be, as you call it, a Socialist move. It's not socialist, it's just a fact of life that we need to spend money for a better police presence along with better training. But that would get in the way of your "More Guns" routine.

Wrong..... again.

It was done by Guilliani and they are living off of the techniques he used.....and since our gun murder rate in this country dropped 49%, and our gun crime rate dropped 75% as more Americans bought, and carried guns, law abiding citizens carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

The democrats are the ones releasing violent criminals back onto the streets you doofus....and de blasio is setting up the city to go back to the bad old days before Guilliani....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Notice the actual rate of non fatal accidental shootings...from the CDC, which does not support what you posted...

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
CDC non fatal gun accident.....

1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

From your own cite. You really have a reading problem.

The overall percentage decline in nonfatal and fatal firearm-related injury rates in the U.S. population from 1993 through 1997 is consistent with a 21% decrease in violent crime during the same time (4). Since 1950, unintentional fatal firearm-related injury rates have declined. NEISS data also suggest a decline since 1993 in the rate of nonfatal unintentional firearm-related injuries treated in hospital EDs. Most of these nonfatal injuries occurred among males aged 15-44 years, were self-inflicted, and were associated with hunting, target shooting, and routine gun handling (i.e., cleaning, loading, and unloading a gun) (5). Additional investigation should focus on factors that may have contributed to the decrease, such as gun safety courses and information campaigns, the proportion of the population that uses guns for recreational purposes, and legislation.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

Wrong....and you know it is wrong since you didn't provide a link......

I've provided the link at least 40 times. I guess you must think enough time has passed that we have forgotten and you are going to play the "Cite" bs again. If I provide a link will you go away forever?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

Wrong....and you know it is wrong since you didn't provide a link......

I've provided the link at least 40 times. I guess you must think enough time has passed that we have forgotten and you are going to play the "Cite" bs again. If I provide a link will you go away forever?

So using your own cite we know that accidental shootings are DECREASING as firearms in private hands go UP.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

Wrong....and you know it is wrong since you didn't provide a link......

I've provided the link at least 40 times. I guess you must think enough time has passed that we have forgotten and you are going to play the "Cite" bs again. If I provide a link will you go away forever?

So using your own cite we know that accidental shootings are DECREASING as firearms in private hands go UP.

Wrong cupcake, they exponentially go up. And most of those accidents happen with handguns in the homes that will not be really regulated too heavily. There isn't a whole lot we can do about that. But we can only change the things we can change. And we accept the things we can't change. And we don't use the things we can't change as a premise not to try and change the things we can change either.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Accidental shootings are NOT out of control retard.

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

Wrong....and you know it is wrong since you didn't provide a link......

I've provided the link at least 40 times. I guess you must think enough time has passed that we have forgotten and you are going to play the "Cite" bs again. If I provide a link will you go away forever?

So using your own cite we know that accidental shootings are DECREASING as firearms in private hands go UP.

Wrong cupcake, they exponentially go up. And most of those accidents happen with handguns in the homes that will not be really regulated too heavily. There isn't a whole lot we can do about that. But we can only change the things we can change. And we accept the things we can't change. And we don't use the things we can't change as a premise not to try and change the things we can change either.

Your own link shows that they have gone DOWN retard.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I can tell when any person is speaking out their rectum and starting out with only 3 brain cells and loses 2 of them during the post. They insult rather than provide proof. Well, cupcake, I say it's out of control. Many Law Enforcement says it's out of control. Accidental shooting in schools rival all the mass shootings in numbers of students damaged. In the last year alone, there has been 71 accidental shooting accidents in schools across the nations. And I find that is way too many.

Wrong....and you know it is wrong since you didn't provide a link......

I've provided the link at least 40 times. I guess you must think enough time has passed that we have forgotten and you are going to play the "Cite" bs again. If I provide a link will you go away forever?

So using your own cite we know that accidental shootings are DECREASING as firearms in private hands go UP.

Wrong cupcake, they exponentially go up. And most of those accidents happen with handguns in the homes that will not be really regulated too heavily. There isn't a whole lot we can do about that. But we can only change the things we can change. And we accept the things we can't change. And we don't use the things we can't change as a premise not to try and change the things we can change either.

Your own link shows that they have gone DOWN retard.

My own link? And what, pray tell, would that link be? You made the claim now back it up, cupcake.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wrong..... again.

It was done by Guilliani and they are living off of the techniques he used.....and since our gun murder rate in this country dropped 49%, and our gun crime rate dropped 75% as more Americans bought, and carried guns, law abiding citizens carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate....

The democrats are the ones releasing violent criminals back onto the streets you doofus....and de blasio is setting up the city to go back to the bad old days before Guilliani....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Notice the actual rate of non fatal accidental shootings...from the CDC, which does not support what you posted...

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
CDC non fatal gun accident.....

1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

From your own cite. You really have a reading problem.

The overall percentage decline in nonfatal and fatal firearm-related injury rates in the U.S. population from 1993 through 1997 is consistent with a 21% decrease in violent crime during the same time (4). Since 1950, unintentional fatal firearm-related injury rates have declined. NEISS data also suggest a decline since 1993 in the rate of nonfatal unintentional firearm-related injuries treated in hospital EDs. Most of these nonfatal injuries occurred among males aged 15-44 years, were self-inflicted, and were associated with hunting, target shooting, and routine gun handling (i.e., cleaning, loading, and unloading a gun) (5). Additional investigation should focus on factors that may have contributed to the decrease, such as gun safety courses and information campaigns, the proportion of the population that uses guns for recreational purposes, and legislation.

I guess you forgot this post right dumb ass?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I didn't state that any one Mayor over another. Your statement of "Wrong" is just plain wrong. If you wish to give Guliani the credit, that's fine by me. But it's been a long haul that took one of the murder capitals of the world and dropped it from that list. They did it through raised taxes, more cops on the street and beats, better training and working closer with the communities. You stated that high tech is moving into a once high crime area. Why is that? The City got rid of most of the crime and that left a large pool of workers that could be used. And that is how you defeat crime. Not by putting "More Guns" on the street.

The Other Cities need to follow suit. But first, they need to find the funding to do it. NYC is a special case. There is a lot of money there and places where they could raise taxes to gain those funds and that is exactly what they did. All the meanwhile, your bunch screamed, "You lousy Socialists" at them. They are getting results no matter who originated it.

More guns on the streets don't work in high crime areas. More cops on the corner does.

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Notice the actual rate of non fatal accidental shootings...from the CDC, which does not support what you posted...

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
CDC non fatal gun accident.....

1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

From your own cite. You really have a reading problem.

The overall percentage decline in nonfatal and fatal firearm-related injury rates in the U.S. population from 1993 through 1997 is consistent with a 21% decrease in violent crime during the same time (4). Since 1950, unintentional fatal firearm-related injury rates have declined. NEISS data also suggest a decline since 1993 in the rate of nonfatal unintentional firearm-related injuries treated in hospital EDs. Most of these nonfatal injuries occurred among males aged 15-44 years, were self-inflicted, and were associated with hunting, target shooting, and routine gun handling (i.e., cleaning, loading, and unloading a gun) (5). Additional investigation should focus on factors that may have contributed to the decrease, such as gun safety courses and information campaigns, the proportion of the population that uses guns for recreational purposes, and legislation.

I guess you forgot this post right dumb ass?

For one, it wasn't my cite. And another, it shows a gradual decrease in non lethal firearms shootings. It doesn't say whether it's from attempted suicide or attempted homicide or accidental. But what it does show is that NYC is back to the level it once was in the 1950s. If you presented the murder rate, it would also be back at the same rate as the 1950s. And they did it without dumping more guns on the street for it's citizens. More guns has never been the answer. NYC has found their own answer by increasing funding for the Cops, getting those cops into the high crime areas and working closely with the citizens in those areas. It's worked so well, it's attracting industry back into NYC and putting people back to work which also is the enemy of crime. Now, if we could only get Chicago to do the same.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens doesn't increase the crime rate, doofus. More Americans owning and carrying guns led to a drop in the gun crime rate of 75%....the gun murder rate dropped 49%....the violent crime rate dropped 72%......

Letting violent gun criminals out of jail drives the gun crime rate.....and New York used to have stop and Frisk...they got rid of that...... as de blasio ends all of the policies that worked, the crime rate in New York is going to go up...

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Notice the actual rate of non fatal accidental shootings...from the CDC, which does not support what you posted...

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
CDC non fatal gun accident.....

1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

From your own cite. You really have a reading problem.

The overall percentage decline in nonfatal and fatal firearm-related injury rates in the U.S. population from 1993 through 1997 is consistent with a 21% decrease in violent crime during the same time (4). Since 1950, unintentional fatal firearm-related injury rates have declined. NEISS data also suggest a decline since 1993 in the rate of nonfatal unintentional firearm-related injuries treated in hospital EDs. Most of these nonfatal injuries occurred among males aged 15-44 years, were self-inflicted, and were associated with hunting, target shooting, and routine gun handling (i.e., cleaning, loading, and unloading a gun) (5). Additional investigation should focus on factors that may have contributed to the decrease, such as gun safety courses and information campaigns, the proportion of the population that uses guns for recreational purposes, and legislation.

I guess you forgot this post right dumb ass?

For one, it wasn't my cite. And another, it shows a gradual decrease in non lethal firearms shootings. It doesn't say whether it's from attempted suicide or attempted homicide or accidental. But what it does show is that NYC is back to the level it once was in the 1950s. If you presented the murder rate, it would also be back at the same rate as the 1950s. And they did it without dumping more guns on the street for it's citizens. More guns has never been the answer. NYC has found their own answer by increasing funding for the Cops, getting those cops into the high crime areas and working closely with the citizens in those areas. It's worked so well, it's attracting industry back into NYC and putting people back to work which also is the enemy of crime. Now, if we could only get Chicago to do the same.

And Deblasio is gutting the cops budget and removing the programs that allowed that success.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

No, but it does increase the accidental shootings which are also way out of control. Placing weapons in the hands of people that are ill suited to handle them just begs for gun accidents. It may be a right but is it wise.

Stop and Frisk was used way too much. It made the "People" feel like they were prisoners and not Citizens. There is a little thing called "probable cause" involved that was ignored. It became a "Us" against "Them" situation. What NYC did was to try and get their cops into the rougher neighborhoods and work with the "Citizens" to regain the trust and to clean up those areas. this, in turn, started attracting industry so the jobs started coming back. If a person is working and making a decent living they are too busy to be a criminal is the thought and it's a good one. And they are doing it with promoting fewer guns.

Notice the actual rate of non fatal accidental shootings...from the CDC, which does not support what you posted...

Nonfatal and Fatal Firearm-Related Injuries -- United States, 1993-1997
CDC non fatal gun accident.....

1993... 104,390
1994... 89,744
1995... 84,322
1996... 69,649
1997... 64,207
2001.... 17,696

2002... 17,579

2003... 18,941

2004... 16,555

2005... 15,388

2006... 14,678

2007... 15,698

2008... 17,215

2009... 18,610

2010... 14,161

2011... 14,675

2012... 17,362

2013... 16,864

2014..... 15,928

From your own cite. You really have a reading problem.

The overall percentage decline in nonfatal and fatal firearm-related injury rates in the U.S. population from 1993 through 1997 is consistent with a 21% decrease in violent crime during the same time (4). Since 1950, unintentional fatal firearm-related injury rates have declined. NEISS data also suggest a decline since 1993 in the rate of nonfatal unintentional firearm-related injuries treated in hospital EDs. Most of these nonfatal injuries occurred among males aged 15-44 years, were self-inflicted, and were associated with hunting, target shooting, and routine gun handling (i.e., cleaning, loading, and unloading a gun) (5). Additional investigation should focus on factors that may have contributed to the decrease, such as gun safety courses and information campaigns, the proportion of the population that uses guns for recreational purposes, and legislation.

I guess you forgot this post right dumb ass?

For one, it wasn't my cite. And another, it shows a gradual decrease in non lethal firearms shootings. It doesn't say whether it's from attempted suicide or attempted homicide or accidental. But what it does show is that NYC is back to the level it once was in the 1950s. If you presented the murder rate, it would also be back at the same rate as the 1950s. And they did it without dumping more guns on the street for it's citizens. More guns has never been the answer. NYC has found their own answer by increasing funding for the Cops, getting those cops into the high crime areas and working closely with the citizens in those areas. It's worked so well, it's attracting industry back into NYC and putting people back to work which also is the enemy of crime. Now, if we could only get Chicago to do the same.

And Deblasio is gutting the cops budget and removing the programs that allowed that success.

And you know this how? You will notice the crime rate is continuing to go down each year. Imagine that. Could you be wro,.,,,,,,,,, incorrect there Fonz?