Bernie Nutbag Sanders says WE present day Americans need to apologize for slavery!

[JakeStarkey]

Hey, I get all my black friends saying "Tell that Rocko dude thank you for slavery."

Too stupid, that Rocko.

 

[Pogo]

Some claimed "duty" to long deceased ancestors is not part of any obligation any of us owe.

I am not doing any duty to anyone's "long deceased ancestors" at all.

Instead I am doing my duty to my fellow Americans today.

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

Because both of those are undeniable facts that apply to Americans of today.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but it is never wise to urinate into the wind.

wait. The argument seems to be shifting.

NOW, apparently, you say we owe an apology NOT to the long dead, but to their present day descendents BECAUSE our long dead ancestors (or some of them, anyway) did some bad things to those long dead victims and the outcome, generations later, is still favorable to us?

But we would STILL be apologizing for conduct WE did not undertake. We would be apologizing not the the victims of the past wrongs, but to their descendants?

At some point back in time some ape-man struck another ape-man with a long bone. It killed the poor victim of that ape-man assault and terminated his gene pool. We are present day beneficiaries of that incident, in a biological sense.

To whom do we send the apologies again?

I think you should send apologies to the entire internet for this thread.

 

[Rocko]

Some claimed "duty" to long deceased ancestors is not part of any obligation any of us owe.

I am not doing any duty to anyone's "long deceased ancestors" at all.

Instead I am doing my duty to my fellow Americans today.

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

Because both of those are undeniable facts that apply to Americans of today.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but it is never wise to urinate into the wind.

The truth is American blacks today are far better off because we had slavery. That is an undeniable fact you marxist idiot.

Yyyyyeah, that's the first thing I hear every time I meet a black person --- "thank you for slavery", they say.

"Oh don't thank me", I protest, "Thank Rocko".

It's not politicaly correct to say, but it's obvious - if we didn't bring their ancestors over from Africa to be slaves blacks would be living a life of depravity over there in Africa, instead of being blessed with a chance to live the American dream over here.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think you should send apologies to the entire internet for this thread.

I think you should put down the Easy-Off and the paper bag....

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Some claimed "duty" to long deceased ancestors is not part of any obligation any of us owe.

I am not doing any duty to anyone's "long deceased ancestors" at all.

Instead I am doing my duty to my fellow Americans today.

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

Because both of those are undeniable facts that apply to Americans of today.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but it is never wise to urinate into the wind.

wait. The argument seems to be shifting.

NOW, apparently, you say we owe an apology NOT to the long dead, but to their present day descendents BECAUSE our long dead ancestors (or some of them, anyway) did some bad things to those long dead victims and the outcome, generations later, is still favorable to us?

But we would STILL be apologizing for conduct WE did not undertake. We would be apologizing not the the victims of the past wrongs, but to their descendants?

At some point back in time some ape-man struck another ape-man with a long bone. It killed the poor victim of that ape-man assault and terminated his gene pool. We are present day beneficiaries of that incident, in a biological sense.

To whom do we send the apologies again?

I think you should send apologies to the entire internet for this thread.

Try not to be so stupid. No.

I accept your apologies for your cretinous and worthless input into it, though.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rocko is living a depraved life more than 99% of American blacks. What a stupid thing to say.

 

[Rocko]

Hey, I get all my black friends saying "Tell that Rocko dude thank you for slavery."

Too stupid, that Rocko.

How about just accepting history for what it was, and understanding the people at that time weren't perfect and didn't have perfect world views.

 

[Rocko]

Some claimed "duty" to long deceased ancestors is not part of any obligation any of us owe.

I am not doing any duty to anyone's "long deceased ancestors" at all.

Instead I am doing my duty to my fellow Americans today.

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

Because both of those are undeniable facts that apply to Americans of today.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but it is never wise to urinate into the wind.

The truth is American blacks today are far better off because we had slavery. That is an undeniable fact you marxist idiot.

Yyyyyeah, that's the first thing I hear every time I meet a black person --- "thank you for slavery", they say.

"Oh don't thank me", I protest, "Thank Rocko".

You don't get it I had nothing to do with slavery. There's no one alive that did.

 

[Hossfly]

I apologize to anyone, living or dead, who was ever a slave in the U.S. We fought and won a war over slavery, have apologized every time a nutcase has demanded it and it goes on and on and on. Neither I nor my family ever owned a slave so from now on, go hump a stump, liberal puking trash.

 

[Pogo]

Some claimed "duty" to long deceased ancestors is not part of any obligation any of us owe.

I am not doing any duty to anyone's "long deceased ancestors" at all.

Instead I am doing my duty to my fellow Americans today.

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

Because both of those are undeniable facts that apply to Americans of today.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but it is never wise to urinate into the wind.

The truth is American blacks today are far better off because we had slavery. That is an undeniable fact you marxist idiot.

Yyyyyeah, that's the first thing I hear every time I meet a black person --- "thank you for slavery", they say.

"Oh don't thank me", I protest, "Thank Rocko".

It's not politicaly correct to say, but it's obvious - if we didn't bring their ancestors over from Africa to be slaves blacks would be living a life of depravity over there in Africa, instead of being blessed with a chance to live the American dream over here.

Apparenty Rocko's Arrogance throttle goes up to 11.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

America has a long distinguished history. It has also had some very notable exceptions to that general rule.

I am informed that America is not an "exceptional" country and those who say it is not often insist that WE rightfully cannot take credit for the successes of our past.

Yet, here, we are informed by some of the same scholars that we SHOULD rightfully take the blame for the sordid problems of our past.

WE (the U.S.A. and our Allies) won WWII against the Axis powers. I wasn't alive at the time, so I don't take credit. Just some historical pride.

WE (the U.S.A.) had a shameful saga in a long part of our history of slavery. I wasn't alive at the time, so I don't accept any of the blame. I do acknowledge a bit of historical embarrassment.

An apology is not complete if it does not reflect all four of these:

• regret,
• understanding of the problem,
• acceptance of responsibility, and
• willingness to do better.

As per, http://jebrown.us/Relationshop/Definitions/apology.html

I might regret some of the things in American history even if I wasn't around at the time. I might understand that some of the things were wrong. I find it impossible to accept responsibility for things over which I was incapable of BEING responsible since I wasn't even ALIVE at the time. I think we have done better and I am willing to stick with that.

But that is not a "complete" apology per the definition I just provided. Why not? Because it necessarily misses that "acceptance of responsibility" component.

Words may no longer retain any meaning for the damn SCOTUS, but they still retain meaning in the real world.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Some claimed "duty" to long deceased ancestors is not part of any obligation any of us owe.

I am not doing any duty to anyone's "long deceased ancestors" at all.

Instead I am doing my duty to my fellow Americans today.

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

Because both of those are undeniable facts that apply to Americans of today.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but it is never wise to urinate into the wind.

wait. The argument seems to be shifting.

NOW, apparently, you say we owe an apology NOT to the long dead, but to their present day descendents BECAUSE our long dead ancestors (or some of them, anyway) did some bad things to those long dead victims and the outcome, generations later, is still favorable to us?

But we would STILL be apologizing for conduct WE did not undertake. We would be apologizing not the the victims of the past wrongs, but to their descendants?

At some point back in time some ape-man struck another ape-man with a long bone. It killed the poor victim of that ape-man assault and terminated his gene pool. We are present day beneficiaries of that incident, in a biological sense.

To whom do we send the apologies again?

Do you need an adult to explain to you what Sanders actually said in your OP?

"Nobody in this generation is involved in slavery, but as a nation slavery is one of the abominations that our country has experienced," Sanders said on Wednesday. "As a nation, I don't think as a President, but as a nation we have got to apologize for slavery, of course...the President is the leader of the nation."​

Or are you just going to twist yourself into a pretzel to avoid actually addressing his point?

"As a nation we have got to apologize for slavery"​

We the People have a duty as a nation to apologize for slavery. And We the People need to do that because it violates the concept of forming a More Perfect Union with Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness for All.

This is social studies 101! Nothing at all difficult to grasp.

Now once again I am going to ask you those difficult questions that you cannot answer;

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

This time try answering just those 2 questions and not inventing strawmen.

 

[Pogo]

Some claimed "duty" to long deceased ancestors is not part of any obligation any of us owe.

I am not doing any duty to anyone's "long deceased ancestors" at all.

Instead I am doing my duty to my fellow Americans today.

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

Because both of those are undeniable facts that apply to Americans of today.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but it is never wise to urinate into the wind.

The truth is American blacks today are far better off because we had slavery. That is an undeniable fact you marxist idiot.

Yyyyyeah, that's the first thing I hear every time I meet a black person --- "thank you for slavery", they say.

"Oh don't thank me", I protest, "Thank Rocko".

You don't get it I had nothing to do with slavery. There's no one alive that did.

You don't get it. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the post I responded to.

 

[Hossfly]

America has a long distinguished history. It has also had some very notable exceptions to that general rule.

I am informed that America is not an "exceptional" country and those who say it is not often insist that WE rightfully cannot take credit for the successes of our past.

Yet, here, we are informed by some of the same scholars that we SHOULD rightfully take the blame for the sordid problems of our past.

WE (the U.S.A. and our Allies) won WWII against the Axis powers. I wasn't alive at the time, so I don't take credit. Just some historical pride.

WE (the U.S.A.) had a shameful saga in a long part of our history of slavery. I wasn't alive at the time, so I don't accept any of the blame. I do acknowledge a bit of historical embarrassment.

An apology is not complete if it does not reflect all four of these:

• regret,
• understanding of the problem,
• acceptance of responsibility, and
• willingness to do better.

As per, http://jebrown.us/Relationshop/Definitions/apology.html

I might regret some of the things in American history even if I wasn't around at the time. I might understand that some of the things were wrong. I find it impossible to accept responsibility for things over which I was incapable of BEING responsible since I wasn't even ALIVE at the time. I think we have done better and I am willing to stick with that.

But that is not a "complete" apology per the definition I just provided. Why not? Because it necessarily misses that "acceptance of responsibility" component.

Words may no longer retain any meaning for the damn SCOTUS, but they still retain meaning in the real world.

People tend to forget that Muslim slavers went into Western Africa and bought slaves from the Black leaders who sold their own people and then sometimes swept up even the Black leaders and sold them all to slaveholders in the Americas

 

[Rocko]

Should Obama apologize? His ancestors weren't slaves. He is half cracker too. Let him get on his hands and knees and beg for forgiveness.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You never mentioned Washington.

I shouldn't have to. Don't you know how to look up a quote? I bet you knew Karl's by heart!

 

[Ringel05]

Some claimed "duty" to long deceased ancestors is not part of any obligation any of us owe.

I am not doing any duty to anyone's "long deceased ancestors" at all.

Instead I am doing my duty to my fellow Americans today.

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

Because both of those are undeniable facts that apply to Americans of today.

Feel free to try and prove otherwise but it is never wise to urinate into the wind.

wait. The argument seems to be shifting.

NOW, apparently, you say we owe an apology NOT to the long dead, but to their present day descendents BECAUSE our long dead ancestors (or some of them, anyway) did some bad things to those long dead victims and the outcome, generations later, is still favorable to us?

But we would STILL be apologizing for conduct WE did not undertake. We would be apologizing not the the victims of the past wrongs, but to their descendants?

At some point back in time some ape-man struck another ape-man with a long bone. It killed the poor victim of that ape-man assault and terminated his gene pool. We are present day beneficiaries of that incident, in a biological sense.

To whom do we send the apologies again?

Do you need an adult to explain to you what Sanders actually said in your OP?

"Nobody in this generation is involved in slavery, but as a nation slavery is one of the abominations that our country has experienced," Sanders said on Wednesday. "As a nation, I don't think as a President, but as a nation we have got to apologize for slavery, of course...the President is the leader of the nation."​

Or are you just going to twist yourself into a pretzel to avoid actually addressing his point?

"As a nation we have got to apologize for slavery"​

We the People have a duty as a nation to apologize for slavery. And We the People need to do that because it violates the concept of forming a More Perfect Union with Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness for All.

This is social studies 101! Nothing at all difficult to grasp.

Now once again I am going to ask you those difficult questions that you cannot answer;

Are you denying that our respective situations are as a result of the past?

Are you denying that we have a duty to form a more perfect union?

This time try answering just those 2 questions and not inventing strawmen.

I agree with you that his comments are being twisted, don't agree that anyone including the nation needs to apologize for something that ended 150 years ago. Bernie's using it as a political tool, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Desperado]

Just add that to the many other ideas this socialist has in mind:
Bernie is a socialist and has no business being in any form of a government position.
His ideas are totally contrary the the American ideals.

 

[Ringel05]

Thinkin' about goin' to Bernie's this weekend........

Anybody wanna tag along?

 

[Pogo]

America has a long distinguished history. It has also had some very notable exceptions to that general rule.

I am informed that America is not an "exceptional" country and those who say it is not often insist that WE rightfully cannot take credit for the successes of our past.

Yet, here, we are informed by some of the same scholars that we SHOULD rightfully take the blame for the sordid problems of our past.

WE (the U.S.A. and our Allies) won WWII against the Axis powers. I wasn't alive at the time, so I don't take credit. Just some historical pride.

WE (the U.S.A.) had a shameful saga in a long part of our history of slavery. I wasn't alive at the time, so I don't accept any of the blame. I do acknowledge a bit of historical embarrassment.

An apology is not complete if it does not reflect all four of these:

• regret,
• understanding of the problem,
• acceptance of responsibility, and
• willingness to do better.

As per, http://jebrown.us/Relationshop/Definitions/apology.html

I might regret some of the things in American history even if I wasn't around at the time. I might understand that some of the things were wrong. I find it impossible to accept responsibility for things over which I was incapable of BEING responsible since I wasn't even ALIVE at the time. I think we have done better and I am willing to stick with that.

But that is not a "complete" apology per the definition I just provided. Why not? Because it necessarily misses that "acceptance of responsibility" component.

Words may no longer retain any meaning for the damn SCOTUS, but they still retain meaning in the real world.

People tend to forget that Muslim slavers went into Western Africa and bought slaves from the Black leaders who sold their own people and then sometimes swept up even the Black leaders and sold them all to slaveholders in the Americas

If we're actually going to bring religion into it, the slave traders who brought those slaves from Africa to the Americas were Spanish and Portuguese and French and English and Dutch. Pretty sure they were Christian.

In fact while I don't know how Islam handled it, racism as applied here was a concept invented by those same people to justify their shipping of human cargo like cattle -- the idea that one group of human beings -- who were neither unknown nor disparaged in Europe before that time -- were actually some "inferior race" and that made it all OK. So obviously their religion was something that, if it ever got in the way of good old fashioned greed, they considered "negotiable".