Bernie Sanders: We Will Raise Taxes On Anyone Making Over $29,000 To Fund Government Health Care

[pknopp]

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I did not support any of them BUT since we obviously will not stop handing out money left and right to those who already have money, I'm certainly not going to stop arguing for the ability of people to affordably see a doctor when they need to.

I am for very small limited government.

You agree, right?

End the Fed and I'll agree to end many of the government's welfare programs.

Is that going to happen? No, so why argue it?

So right now you support the welfare state because there is a Fed. LOL!

If we are going to subsidize the rich, yes I'm going to advocate for the poor.

 

[pknopp]

Banks get money at near zero interest rates.

Where do they get this cheap money?

From the magic of the Federal Reserve.

If students got the same it would be cheaper.

Government didn't remove profit from student borrowing

No.

From the magic of the Federal Reserve.

Banks borrow very little from the Fed. Banks are net lenders to the Fed.

The Fed has pumped hundreds of billions into the market through 'repo' offerings. Here's what they are, and why they're back for the first time since the financial crisis. | Markets Insider

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Government didn't remove profit from student borrowing?

No.

Then why did Obama have the government take over student loans?​

Because Obama was little more than a stooge for wall street.


One person’s debt is another person’s asset. What some owe, others own. And student debtors don’t just cut checks to lenders. Our money flows to third parties — including investors.

One rarely discussed feature of the “student loan industrial complex” is the $200 billion market for student loan asset-backed securities (SLABS). This is a circular business, involving lenders like Sallie Mae and big banks like Wells Fargo and Bank of America. Like mortgages, student loans get pooled and repackaged into new financial products (securities). The lenders then sell the securities to investors. Investors receive the reward of monthly loan payments, plus interest. They can hold the securities themselves, trade them or bet on them. In turn, lenders receive quick cash, including fees and commissions, and push the risk of the underlying loans onto investors. This shift allows lenders to make more, and larger, loans.

How Wall Street Profits From Student Debt

For people claiming I do not know what I am talking about, there sure are a lot of ignorant people who do not know how things work.

The Fed has pumped hundreds of billions into the market

Bank reserves are $1.5 trillion. ​

One rarely discussed feature of the “student loan industrial complex” is the $200 billion market for student loan asset-backed securities (SLABS).

The federal government holds over $1.2 trillion in student loans. And they DON'T sell them.

For people claiming I do not know what I am talking about

You're clueless.

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And yet I provide verification for my every claim. If you are not big enough to admit you were wrong, so be it.

 

[g5000]

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance.

It should not be provided by your employer. That makes you a hostage to your employer's take-it-or-leave-it policy. You have zero negotiating leverage.

In turn, your employer is hostage to government rules which force your employer to buy insurance from a limited number of insurance companies in your geographic area.

Employer sponsored insurance should not be tax exempt. That bends the health care cost curve upward, and it drives up tax rates on every taxpayer.

You should be able to pick up the telephone and be able to call any insurer in the country. This gives you maximum negotiating leverage because you can always hang up and call any of a constellation of competitors.

This is not to be confused with the Republican smoke and mirrors "buy insurance across state lines" bullshit. That's a boondoggle to benefit the insurance companies at your expense. It's a total ripoff.

You should be able to buy insurance from ANY insurance company ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. Just like you do with auto, home, and life insurance. Huge difference.

That way, you could bundle your health insurance with all your other insurances and get bundle discounts. And you wouldn't lose your insurance when you lose or change your job, and thus would get long term customer discounts.


The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market. This is the only insurance market in which the government is a player. The government is not a player in the auto, home, or life insurance markets.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors! This is the kind of shit we invented laws to break up trusts for!

Those are my thoughts on the necessary and comprehensive reforms we need for health care.

Does it blow your mind that a lot of pseudocon tards think I am a liberal?

 

[g5000]

60+ fake repeals when they controlled the House, knowing it would not pass the Senate or Obama's desk.

And each time one of those fake repeals passed the House, the pseudocons would hoot and holler and high five each other on this forum. It was astonishing to see them NEVER catch on they were being hoaxed.

Then the GOP won both Houses of Congress and the White House, and what the fuck do you know, not a single bill to repeal Obamacare! And not a single once since!


The rubes STILL have not caught on they were hoaxed!

They are beyond retarded. They are willfully blind and stupid.

Give it a break already. This topic is barely three pages long, and I counted 12 of the posts from you all saying the same thing over and over.

And yet you STILL have not realized you have been massively hoaxed by Trump and the GOP.

After all these years, you still have not realized it and taken them to account for it.

You just lay there and take it, like the good little submissive lackey you are.

So WTF do you want us to do? You only have two choices when it comes to electing a President. It's not like we have a dozen parties running. So you choose the one that is closest to your views as possible. That's all anybody can do.

Instead of whining about Sanders, start demanding Trump roll out his fucking promised solution. Start demanding the GOP roll out their Obamacare replacement they have been promising for NINE years!

So long as you let them get away with hoaxing you, then you deserve to be lied to. And you deserve UHC.

And you had SEVERAL conservatives running for President in 2016. But the dumb fucks chose a fucking clown huckster.

Instead of you giving your stupid TDS afflicted Trump rants how about telling us how the idiot socialist Democrats are going to not fuck up this country with failed Left policies?

I have never said the Democrats UHC would not screw the country. Ever. I am deeply opposed to UHC.

What I have said is that UHC is inevitable because you dumb fucks have allowed yourselves to be hoaxed by Trump and the GOP. The Democrats will win by default. Trump and the GOP have abdicated on the issue. It's time to wake up to that fact.

So you deserve UHC for being such submissive rubes.

 

[progressive hunter]

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance.

It should not be provided by your employer. That makes you a hostage to your employer's take-it-or-leave-it policy. You have zero negotiating leverage.

In turn, your employer is hostage to government rules which force your employer to buy insurance from a limited number of insurance companies in your geographic area.

Employer sponsored insurance should not be tax exempt. That bends the health care cost curve upward, and it drives up tax rates on every taxpayer.

You should be able to pick up the telephone and be able to call any insurer in the country. This gives you maximum negotiating leverage because you can always hang up and call any of a constellation of competitors.

This is not to be confused with the Republican smoke and mirrors "buy insurance across state lines" bullshit. That's a boondoggle to benefit the insurance companies at your expense. It's a total ripoff.

You should be able to buy insurance from ANY insurance company ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. Just like you do with auto, home, and life insurance. Huge difference.

That way, you could bundle your health insurance with all your other insurances and get bundle discounts. And you wouldn't lose your insurance when you lose or change your job, and thus would get long term customer discounts.


The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market. This is the only insurance market in which the government is a player. The government is not a player in the auto, home, or life insurance markets.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors! This is the kind of shit we invented laws to break up trusts for!

Those are my thoughts on the necessary and comprehensive reforms we need for health care.

Does it blow your mind that a lot of pseudocon tards think I am a liberal?

who are you to tell anyone where they should or shouldnt get anything???

you sound more like a fascist than anything

 

[Flash]

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If we are going to subsidize the rich, yes I'm going to advocate for the poor.

See you really don't have any convictions. LOL! You are confused and don't know what the hell to believe. Typical Moon Bat.

I am against all welfare. No subsidies, no grants, no bailouts, no welfare no entitlements. That includes foreign the same as domestic. Rich and poor alike.

No bailouts to banks, no subsidies to farmers, not bailouts to GM and no foreign aid to Israel or South Korea or anybody else.

No food stamps to Illegals or inner city welfare queens.

No spending more money than the government takes in. You know, fiscal responsibility.

When you develop some real convictions on the horseshit you post then maybe you will have some credibility and I'll take you seriously. Until then bug off.

 

[Desperado]

“We are going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better,” Trump said.

Trump Calls 'Obamacare' 'Disaster' Vows To Immediately Repeal, Replace

It is not like he did not try. He failed because of the Dems and the Never Trumpers

He failed because he was a dick to McCain.

That's right, among all his other faults and failures, McCain is the one we can blame for not getting rid of ObamaCare

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The bill which McCain thumbed down was not a repeal of Obamacare, much less a replacement. You've been hoaxed yet again by Trump.

When will you fools finally wake up?

Not taking your word for it, give me a link to back up your statement

 

[dblack]

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance.

It should not be provided by your employer. That makes you a hostage to your employer's take-it-or-leave-it policy. You have zero negotiating leverage.

In turn, your employer is hostage to government rules which force your employer to buy insurance from a limited number of insurance companies in your geographic area.

Employer sponsored insurance should not be tax exempt. That bends the health care cost curve upward, and it drives up tax rates on every taxpayer.

You should be able to pick up the telephone and be able to call any insurer in the country. This gives you maximum negotiating leverage because you can always hang up and call any of a constellation of competitors.

This is not to be confused with the Republican smoke and mirrors "buy insurance across state lines" bullshit. That's a boondoggle to benefit the insurance companies at your expense. It's a total ripoff.

You should be able to buy insurance from ANY insurance company ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. Just like you do with auto, home, and life insurance. Huge difference.

That way, you could bundle your health insurance with all your other insurances and get bundle discounts. And you wouldn't lose your insurance when you lose or change your job, and thus would get long term customer discounts.


The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market. This is the only insurance market in which the government is a player. The government is not a player in the auto, home, or life insurance markets.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors! This is the kind of shit we invented laws to break up trusts for!

Those are my thoughts on the necessary and comprehensive reforms we need for health care.

That pretty much nails it.

Does it blow your mind that a lot of pseudocon tards think I am a liberal?

Sadly, no. I've come to expect it from Trumpsters. They aren't conservatives - never were. They're Clintonesque statists.

 

[dblack]

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance.

It should not be provided by your employer. That makes you a hostage to your employer's take-it-or-leave-it policy. You have zero negotiating leverage.

In turn, your employer is hostage to government rules which force your employer to buy insurance from a limited number of insurance companies in your geographic area.

Employer sponsored insurance should not be tax exempt. That bends the health care cost curve upward, and it drives up tax rates on every taxpayer.

You should be able to pick up the telephone and be able to call any insurer in the country. This gives you maximum negotiating leverage because you can always hang up and call any of a constellation of competitors.

This is not to be confused with the Republican smoke and mirrors "buy insurance across state lines" bullshit. That's a boondoggle to benefit the insurance companies at your expense. It's a total ripoff.

You should be able to buy insurance from ANY insurance company ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. Just like you do with auto, home, and life insurance. Huge difference.

That way, you could bundle your health insurance with all your other insurances and get bundle discounts. And you wouldn't lose your insurance when you lose or change your job, and thus would get long term customer discounts.


The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market. This is the only insurance market in which the government is a player. The government is not a player in the auto, home, or life insurance markets.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors! This is the kind of shit we invented laws to break up trusts for!

Those are my thoughts on the necessary and comprehensive reforms we need for health care.

Does it blow your mind that a lot of pseudocon tards think I am a liberal?

who are you to tell anyone where they should or shouldnt get anything???

WTF are you mumbling about? Where in that post is he telling anyone what they should or shouldn't get??? Are you just randomly typing, with no comprehension at all?

... you sound more like a fascist than anything

You're going to have to explain that asinine comment, because it makes no fucking sense. Do you even know what fascist means???

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And BTW - if you make $14 an hour now and have a full time job/benefits... you are paying for your share of employer provided.
Ideally UHC would be the same amounts as currently paying.
But that is NOT what will happen. That is what Warren is trying to get people to believe, but it isn't remotely true.
Anyone who can solve this problem.... 1 + 1 = X, knows it isn't true.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Notably missing is any proposal to stem corruption. The rich continue buying the govt they want and y'all appear content with the yellow raindrops.

 

[progressive hunter]

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance.

It should not be provided by your employer. That makes you a hostage to your employer's take-it-or-leave-it policy. You have zero negotiating leverage.

In turn, your employer is hostage to government rules which force your employer to buy insurance from a limited number of insurance companies in your geographic area.

Employer sponsored insurance should not be tax exempt. That bends the health care cost curve upward, and it drives up tax rates on every taxpayer.

You should be able to pick up the telephone and be able to call any insurer in the country. This gives you maximum negotiating leverage because you can always hang up and call any of a constellation of competitors.

This is not to be confused with the Republican smoke and mirrors "buy insurance across state lines" bullshit. That's a boondoggle to benefit the insurance companies at your expense. It's a total ripoff.

You should be able to buy insurance from ANY insurance company ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. Just like you do with auto, home, and life insurance. Huge difference.

That way, you could bundle your health insurance with all your other insurances and get bundle discounts. And you wouldn't lose your insurance when you lose or change your job, and thus would get long term customer discounts.


The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market. This is the only insurance market in which the government is a player. The government is not a player in the auto, home, or life insurance markets.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors! This is the kind of shit we invented laws to break up trusts for!

Those are my thoughts on the necessary and comprehensive reforms we need for health care.

Does it blow your mind that a lot of pseudocon tards think I am a liberal?

who are you to tell anyone where they should or shouldnt get anything???

WTF are you mumbling about? Where in that post is he telling anyone what they should or shouldn't get??? Are you just randomly typing, with no comprehension at all?

... you sound more like a fascist than anything

You're going to have to explain that asinine comment, because it makes no fucking sense. Do you even know what fascist means???

why did you edit my comment???

that aside,,

it starts in the first sentence and continues throughout the post,,,

 

[dblack]

Notably missing is any proposal to stem corruption. The rich continue buying the govt they want and y'all appear content with the yellow rain drops.

Of course it's missing. Bernie wouldn't want to mess that. His "socialism" is just corporatism.

 

[pknopp]

[


If we are going to subsidize the rich, yes I'm going to advocate for the poor.

See you really don't have any convictions. LOL! You are confused and don't know what the hell to believe. Typical Moon Bat.

I am against all welfare. No subsidies, no grants, no bailouts, no welfare no entitlements. That includes foreign the same as domestic. Rich and poor alike.

No bailouts to banks, no subsidies to farmers, not bailouts to GM and no foreign aid to Israel or South Korea or anybody else.

No food stamps to Illegals or inner city welfare queens.

No spending more money than the government takes in. You know, fiscal responsibility.

When you develop some real convictions on the horseshit you post then maybe you will have some credibility and I'll take you seriously. Until then bug off.

That's great you are for that. When do you suppose it will start?

 

[dblack]

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance.

It should not be provided by your employer. That makes you a hostage to your employer's take-it-or-leave-it policy. You have zero negotiating leverage.

In turn, your employer is hostage to government rules which force your employer to buy insurance from a limited number of insurance companies in your geographic area.

Employer sponsored insurance should not be tax exempt. That bends the health care cost curve upward, and it drives up tax rates on every taxpayer.

You should be able to pick up the telephone and be able to call any insurer in the country. This gives you maximum negotiating leverage because you can always hang up and call any of a constellation of competitors.

This is not to be confused with the Republican smoke and mirrors "buy insurance across state lines" bullshit. That's a boondoggle to benefit the insurance companies at your expense. It's a total ripoff.

You should be able to buy insurance from ANY insurance company ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. Just like you do with auto, home, and life insurance. Huge difference.

That way, you could bundle your health insurance with all your other insurances and get bundle discounts. And you wouldn't lose your insurance when you lose or change your job, and thus would get long term customer discounts.


The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market. This is the only insurance market in which the government is a player. The government is not a player in the auto, home, or life insurance markets.

The government is the biggest player in the health insurance market, and gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors! This is the kind of shit we invented laws to break up trusts for!

Those are my thoughts on the necessary and comprehensive reforms we need for health care.

Does it blow your mind that a lot of pseudocon tards think I am a liberal?

who are you to tell anyone where they should or shouldnt get anything???

WTF are you mumbling about? Where in that post is he telling anyone what they should or shouldn't get??? Are you just randomly typing, with no comprehension at all?

... you sound more like a fascist than anything

You're going to have to explain that asinine comment, because it makes no fucking sense. Do you even know what fascist means???

why did you edit my comment???

that aside,,

it starts in the first sentence and continues throughout the post,,,

Nothin'? Figures.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Notably missing is any proposal to stem corruption. The rich continue buying the govt they want and y'all appear content with the yellow rain drops.

Of course it's missing. Bernie wouldn't want to mess that. His "socialism" is just corporatism.

Words. You put some together and ... nonsense! Amazing.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Notably missing is any proposal to stem corruption. The rich continue buying the govt they want and y'all appear content with the yellow raindrops.

Notably missing is how you think government will magically have no corruption if UHC happens.
You realize the same corrupt bastards that are there now - are the same people as who would be controlling healthcare?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Notably missing is any proposal to stem corruption. The rich continue buying the govt they want and y'all appear content with the yellow raindrops.

Notably missing is how you think government will magically have no corruption if UHC happens.
You realize the same corrupt bastards that are there now - are the same people as who would be controlling healthcare?

To a degree? Yes, I do. The question is then which produces less waste, Medicare for All or what we have now? Neither gets to the root, but the former beats the latter. Our costs compared to the rest of the developed world with UHC?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Bernie's got plenty of proposals to reduce corruption.

 

[pknopp]

Notably missing is any proposal to stem corruption. The rich continue buying the govt they want and y'all appear content with the yellow raindrops.

Notably missing is how you think government will magically have no corruption if UHC happens.
You realize the same corrupt bastards that are there now - are the same people as who would be controlling healthcare?

It will have corruption and we must hold accountable those in place that are suppose to hold others accountable.

Are you arguing to end the banking system because there are a lot of corrupt individuals that are a part of it?