Bernie Sanders: We Will Raise Taxes On Anyone Making Over $29,000 To Fund Government Health Care

[HereWeGoAgain]

This thread is the very definition of Fake News.

So SEE,BS is lying?

 

[pknopp]

There is no room for logic here. Please see yourself out so that the circle-jerk of ignorance may proceed.

That isn't logical...those aren't the numbers. Newsflash...the government doesn't run things efficiently. In short, Democrats are gullible, useful idiots.

Efficiently? Like GM? Like the banks that had to be bailed out? Like Trump's school?

Like that?

During DumBama's first term I was at my local post office standing in line. A black lady in front of me said out loud "Look at all us standing here in this long line, and they only have one postal worker behind the counter. Can't they at least put two people there?" The worker behind the counter just looked up not too happy with the comment.

To that I replied to her "Don't look now, but these are the same people that want to run our healthcare." She turned around and gave me a dirty look, obviously an Obama supporter.

Right, because you have never waited in line at Wal Mart.

If the wait is unacceptable, I just shop at another store or go to Amazon. What do you do when government has a monopoly on healthcare?

You can go to UPS or Fed Express if you don't like the post office.

If things are running poorly with health care you fire those not addressing the problem.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

My god socialism is stupid. No wonder it fails to some degree or another no matter where or how it is implemented.

Tell Trump and his bail outs that.

I didn't vote for Trump so I don't have to tell him anything. Bail outs are bad no matter who does it. Orange Man bailouts bad. Negro Man bailouts were bad, especially the ones he gave to the big corporations and banks.

Glad that you are joining me in condemning all bailouts. You wouldn't be one of these partisan assholes that condemn Republican bailouts but justify Democrat bailouts, would you? Because if you did then that would be really hypocritical of you, wouldn't it?

Will you also joining me in condemning all welfare, entitlements, subsidies and grants, no matter who does them? How about debt?

I did not support any of them BUT since we obviously will not stop handing out money left and right to those who already have money, I'm certainly not going to stop arguing for the ability of people to affordably see a doctor when they need to.

Letting people keep the money they created is not handing out anything.

 

[pknopp]

My god socialism is stupid. No wonder it fails to some degree or another no matter where or how it is implemented.

Tell Trump and his bail outs that.

I didn't vote for Trump so I don't have to tell him anything. Bail outs are bad no matter who does it. Orange Man bailouts bad. Negro Man bailouts were bad, especially the ones he gave to the big corporations and banks.

Glad that you are joining me in condemning all bailouts. You wouldn't be one of these partisan assholes that condemn Republican bailouts but justify Democrat bailouts, would you? Because if you did then that would be really hypocritical of you, wouldn't it?

Will you also joining me in condemning all welfare, entitlements, subsidies and grants, no matter who does them? How about debt?

I did not support any of them BUT since we obviously will not stop handing out money left and right to those who already have money, I'm certainly not going to stop arguing for the ability of people to affordably see a doctor when they need to.

Letting people keep the money they created is not handing out anything.

Sheesh, not this again. If you can't follow the conversation, don't jump in.

 

[g5000]

“We are going to have a healthcare that is far less expensive and far better,” Trump said.

Trump Calls 'Obamacare' 'Disaster' Vows To Immediately Repeal, Replace

It is not like he did not try. He failed because of the Dems and the Never Trumpers

He failed because he was a dick to McCain.

That's right, among all his other faults and failures, McCain is the one we can blame for not getting rid of ObamaCare

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

The bill which McCain thumbed down was not a repeal of Obamacare, much less a replacement. You've been hoaxed yet again by Trump.

When will you fools finally wake up?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That isn't logical...those aren't the numbers. Newsflash...the government doesn't run things efficiently. In short, Democrats are gullible, useful idiots.

Efficiently? Like GM? Like the banks that had to be bailed out? Like Trump's school?

Like that?

During DumBama's first term I was at my local post office standing in line. A black lady in front of me said out loud "Look at all us standing here in this long line, and they only have one postal worker behind the counter. Can't they at least put two people there?" The worker behind the counter just looked up not too happy with the comment.

To that I replied to her "Don't look now, but these are the same people that want to run our healthcare." She turned around and gave me a dirty look, obviously an Obama supporter.

Right, because you have never waited in line at Wal Mart.

If the wait is unacceptable, I just shop at another store or go to Amazon. What do you do when government has a monopoly on healthcare?

You can go to UPS or Fed Express if you don't like the post office.

If things are running poorly with health care you fire those not addressing the problem.

The only organization that handles first class mail is the USPS. You have no choice. If it's a package, you either wait in line, or drive 15 miles to a UPS or FedEx outlet. You call that a choice?

Being up north, I get to run into a lot of Canadian drivers. While waiting to get loaded or unloaded, a lot of times we get out of our trucks to have BS sessions. I always ask them about the Canadian healthcare system.

Younger to middle-aged drivers tell me it's great. They wouldn't trade it for the world. Upper middle-aged and older drivers warned me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry.

Government has been trying to get more and more control over the people as time moves on. The only two entities that stop them from total control is having control over our energy and healthcare. Once government is able to control those two things, they will have total control over the people. They will be able to dictate what you eat, how much you can weigh, how much alcohol you are allowed to consume, what you can smoke and how much you can smoke of it. Don't believe me, just Google Michele Obama's school lunch program and see what she tried to do.

 

[g5000]

60+ fake repeals when they controlled the House, knowing it would not pass the Senate or Obama's desk.

And each time one of those fake repeals passed the House, the pseudocons would hoot and holler and high five each other on this forum. It was astonishing to see them NEVER catch on they were being hoaxed.

Then the GOP won both Houses of Congress and the White House, and what the fuck do you know, not a single bill to repeal Obamacare! And not a single once since!


The rubes STILL have not caught on they were hoaxed!

They are beyond retarded. They are willfully blind and stupid.

Give it a break already. This topic is barely three pages long, and I counted 12 of the posts from you all saying the same thing over and over.

And yet you STILL have not realized you have been massively hoaxed by Trump and the GOP.

After all these years, you still have not realized it and taken them to account for it.

You just lay there and take it, like the good little submissive lackey you are.

 

[g5000]

This thread is the very definition of Fake News.

Fact-checkers for The Washington Post note that “[a]ccording to a study from the Urban Institute (and a follow-up paper), Medicare-for-all would still add $32.6 trillion to national health spending over 10 years.” And CNN reports that “[t]ax experts … say that you can’t raise enough money from taxing the rich and that the levies on all Americans may exceed the savings for more people than Sanders expects. This may be particularly true of low-income folks who get heavily subsidized coverage on the Obamacare exchanges.”

In other words, “[t]here’s no possible way to finance [Medicare for all] without big middle class tax increases,” as Marc Goldwein of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB) explained to The Washington Post.

Gee, then maybe you better tell Trump to get off the fucking stick and come up with a better alternative like he promised you he would do on Day One!

 

[Grumblenuts]

It's certainly been masterfully obscured, but the reason Romneycare was passed in the first place was not to save workers money, stem rising HC costs, cover everyone, etc. It was to ensure long term security and profit for the powerful insurance cabal in Massachusetts that was demanding it, just as they demanded Obamacare be implemented nationally and continue demanding it today (as shown in the OP)... as opposed to allowing any genuine public option to actually compete and thereby control costs. Bitching about government waste in this area is the height of hypocrisy since it's been private, corporate insurance that's been sucking off the government teat and screwing HC all to hell this entire time.

Despite the hopes of legislators, the program did not decrease total spending on healthcare or utilization of emergency medical services for primary care issues.

Hopes smopes. They took the bribes and drank the Kool-Aid instead of doing right of and for the people of MA.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Non profits don't work?

You have a list of drugs that a non-profit has run from discovery thru trials thru FDA approval to release?
The top 5 should be plenty.

We unfortunately do not work that way. Its the way I am arguing for.

Insulin was meant as a non profit until for profit companies got hold of it.

We unfortunately do not work that way.

Why not? Universities do most of the work...…..

Insulin was meant as a non profit until for profit companies got hold of it.

Insulin is more complicated, and better, than when it was extracted from pigs.

You asked. I answered. We charge many times higher than other countries.

We charge many times higher than other countries.

Of course we do. We do the research and they threaten to steal the IP.

As has been noted, we did NOT do the research on insulin and that makes absolutely no sense. If you create something you charge others more.

As has been noted, we did NOT do the research on insulin and that makes absolutely no sense.

If you think there has been no new research on insulin, that we use the same insulin we did 100 years ago, you're dumber than you first appeared.

 

[pknopp]

Efficiently? Like GM? Like the banks that had to be bailed out? Like Trump's school?

Like that?

During DumBama's first term I was at my local post office standing in line. A black lady in front of me said out loud "Look at all us standing here in this long line, and they only have one postal worker behind the counter. Can't they at least put two people there?" The worker behind the counter just looked up not too happy with the comment.

To that I replied to her "Don't look now, but these are the same people that want to run our healthcare." She turned around and gave me a dirty look, obviously an Obama supporter.

Right, because you have never waited in line at Wal Mart.

If the wait is unacceptable, I just shop at another store or go to Amazon. What do you do when government has a monopoly on healthcare?

You can go to UPS or Fed Express if you don't like the post office.

If things are running poorly with health care you fire those not addressing the problem.

The only organization that handles first class mail is the USPS. You have no choice. If it's a package, you either wait in line, or drive 15 miles to a UPS or FedEx outlet. You call that a choice?

Being up north, I get to run into a lot of Canadian drivers. While waiting to get loaded or unloaded, a lot of times we get out of our trucks to have BS sessions. I always ask them about the Canadian healthcare system.

Younger to middle-aged drivers tell me it's great. They wouldn't trade it for the world. Upper middle-aged and older drivers warned me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry.

Government has been trying to get more and more control over the people as time moves on. The only two entities that stop them from total control is having control over our energy and healthcare. Once government is able to control those two things, they will have total control over the people. They will be able to dictate what you eat, how much you can weigh, how much alcohol you are allowed to consume, what you can smoke and how much you can smoke of it. Don't believe me, just Google Michele Obama's school lunch program and see what she tried to do.

You can send a letter UPS. You just don't want to pay for what that would cost.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

60+ fake repeals when they controlled the House, knowing it would not pass the Senate or Obama's desk.

And each time one of those fake repeals passed the House, the pseudocons would hoot and holler and high five each other on this forum. It was astonishing to see them NEVER catch on they were being hoaxed.

Then the GOP won both Houses of Congress and the White House, and what the fuck do you know, not a single bill to repeal Obamacare! And not a single once since!


The rubes STILL have not caught on they were hoaxed!

They are beyond retarded. They are willfully blind and stupid.

Give it a break already. This topic is barely three pages long, and I counted 12 of the posts from you all saying the same thing over and over.

And yet you STILL have not realized you have been massively hoaxed by Trump and the GOP.

After all these years, you still have not realized it and taken them to account for it.

You just lay there and take it, like the good little submissive lackey you are.

So WTF do you want us to do? You only have two choices when it comes to electing a President. It's not like we have a dozen parties running. So you choose the one that is closest to your views as possible. That's all anybody can do.

 

[g5000]

Bernie Sanders is too old and recently had a heart attack. He has no chance of winning. He just loves the attention at this point. He let Hillary treat him like a door mat when it matter most, and now he is old news.

Doesn't matter if Sanders lives or dies. The Democrats are going to get their UHC implemented sooner or later since the GOP offers NOTHING to solve the problem of skyrocketing health care costs.

 

[pknopp]

We unfortunately do not work that way. Its the way I am arguing for.

Insulin was meant as a non profit until for profit companies got hold of it.

We unfortunately do not work that way.

Why not? Universities do most of the work...…..

Insulin was meant as a non profit until for profit companies got hold of it.

Insulin is more complicated, and better, than when it was extracted from pigs.

You asked. I answered. We charge many times higher than other countries.

We charge many times higher than other countries.

Of course we do. We do the research and they threaten to steal the IP.

As has been noted, we did NOT do the research on insulin and that makes absolutely no sense. If you create something you charge others more.

As has been noted, we did NOT do the research on insulin and that makes absolutely no sense.

If you think there has been no new research on insulin, that we use the same insulin we did 100 years ago, you're dumber than you first appeared.

We did not discover insulin. Those who did gave it away. We pay many times more for it than those where it was developed.

 

[g5000]

60+ fake repeals when they controlled the House, knowing it would not pass the Senate or Obama's desk.

And each time one of those fake repeals passed the House, the pseudocons would hoot and holler and high five each other on this forum. It was astonishing to see them NEVER catch on they were being hoaxed.

Then the GOP won both Houses of Congress and the White House, and what the fuck do you know, not a single bill to repeal Obamacare! And not a single once since!


The rubes STILL have not caught on they were hoaxed!

They are beyond retarded. They are willfully blind and stupid.

Give it a break already. This topic is barely three pages long, and I counted 12 of the posts from you all saying the same thing over and over.

And yet you STILL have not realized you have been massively hoaxed by Trump and the GOP.

After all these years, you still have not realized it and taken them to account for it.

You just lay there and take it, like the good little submissive lackey you are.

So WTF do you want us to do? You only have two choices when it comes to electing a President. It's not like we have a dozen parties running. So you choose the one that is closest to your views as possible. That's all anybody can do.

Instead of whining about Sanders, start demanding Trump roll out his fucking promised solution. Start demanding the GOP roll out their Obamacare replacement they have been promising for NINE years!

So long as you let them get away with hoaxing you, then you deserve to be lied to. And you deserve UHC.

And you had SEVERAL conservatives running for President in 2016. But the dumb fucks chose a fucking clown huckster.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

During DumBama's first term I was at my local post office standing in line. A black lady in front of me said out loud "Look at all us standing here in this long line, and they only have one postal worker behind the counter. Can't they at least put two people there?" The worker behind the counter just looked up not too happy with the comment.

To that I replied to her "Don't look now, but these are the same people that want to run our healthcare." She turned around and gave me a dirty look, obviously an Obama supporter.

Right, because you have never waited in line at Wal Mart.

If the wait is unacceptable, I just shop at another store or go to Amazon. What do you do when government has a monopoly on healthcare?

You can go to UPS or Fed Express if you don't like the post office.

If things are running poorly with health care you fire those not addressing the problem.

The only organization that handles first class mail is the USPS. You have no choice. If it's a package, you either wait in line, or drive 15 miles to a UPS or FedEx outlet. You call that a choice?

Being up north, I get to run into a lot of Canadian drivers. While waiting to get loaded or unloaded, a lot of times we get out of our trucks to have BS sessions. I always ask them about the Canadian healthcare system.

Younger to middle-aged drivers tell me it's great. They wouldn't trade it for the world. Upper middle-aged and older drivers warned me to keep what we have, or we will be sorry.

Government has been trying to get more and more control over the people as time moves on. The only two entities that stop them from total control is having control over our energy and healthcare. Once government is able to control those two things, they will have total control over the people. They will be able to dictate what you eat, how much you can weigh, how much alcohol you are allowed to consume, what you can smoke and how much you can smoke of it. Don't believe me, just Google Michele Obama's school lunch program and see what she tried to do.

You can send a letter UPS. You just don't want to pay for what that would cost.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-US...if-they-have-competitors-such-a-Fedex-and-UPS

 

[Flash]

[Q


I did not support any of them BUT since we obviously will not stop handing out money left and right to those who already have money, I'm certainly not going to stop arguing for the ability of people to affordably see a doctor when they need to.

I am for very small limited government.

You agree, right?

End the Fed and I'll agree to end many of the government's welfare programs.

Is that going to happen? No, so why argue it?

So right now you support the welfare state because there is a Fed. LOL!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Banks get money at near zero interest rates.

Where do they get this cheap money?

From the magic of the Federal Reserve.

If students got the same it would be cheaper.

Government didn't remove profit from student borrowing

No.

From the magic of the Federal Reserve.

Banks borrow very little from the Fed. Banks are net lenders to the Fed.

The Fed has pumped hundreds of billions into the market through 'repo' offerings. Here's what they are, and why they're back for the first time since the financial crisis. | Markets Insider

​

Government didn't remove profit from student borrowing?

No.

Then why did Obama have the government take over student loans?​

Because Obama was little more than a stooge for wall street.


One person’s debt is another person’s asset. What some owe, others own. And student debtors don’t just cut checks to lenders. Our money flows to third parties — including investors.

One rarely discussed feature of the “student loan industrial complex” is the $200 billion market for student loan asset-backed securities (SLABS). This is a circular business, involving lenders like Sallie Mae and big banks like Wells Fargo and Bank of America. Like mortgages, student loans get pooled and repackaged into new financial products (securities). The lenders then sell the securities to investors. Investors receive the reward of monthly loan payments, plus interest. They can hold the securities themselves, trade them or bet on them. In turn, lenders receive quick cash, including fees and commissions, and push the risk of the underlying loans onto investors. This shift allows lenders to make more, and larger, loans.

How Wall Street Profits From Student Debt

For people claiming I do not know what I am talking about, there sure are a lot of ignorant people who do not know how things work.

​

The Fed has pumped hundreds of billions into the market ​

Bank reserves are $1.5 trillion. ​

​

One rarely discussed feature of the “student loan industrial complex” is the $200 billion market for student loan asset-backed securities (SLABS).

The federal government holds over $1.2 trillion in student loans. And they DON'T sell them.

For people claiming I do not know what I am talking about

You're clueless.

​

 

[Flash]

60+ fake repeals when they controlled the House, knowing it would not pass the Senate or Obama's desk.

And each time one of those fake repeals passed the House, the pseudocons would hoot and holler and high five each other on this forum. It was astonishing to see them NEVER catch on they were being hoaxed.

Then the GOP won both Houses of Congress and the White House, and what the fuck do you know, not a single bill to repeal Obamacare! And not a single once since!


The rubes STILL have not caught on they were hoaxed!

They are beyond retarded. They are willfully blind and stupid.

Give it a break already. This topic is barely three pages long, and I counted 12 of the posts from you all saying the same thing over and over.

And yet you STILL have not realized you have been massively hoaxed by Trump and the GOP.

After all these years, you still have not realized it and taken them to account for it.

You just lay there and take it, like the good little submissive lackey you are.

So WTF do you want us to do? You only have two choices when it comes to electing a President. It's not like we have a dozen parties running. So you choose the one that is closest to your views as possible. That's all anybody can do.

Instead of whining about Sanders, start demanding Trump roll out his fucking promised solution. Start demanding the GOP roll out their Obamacare replacement they have been promising for NINE years!

So long as you let them get away with hoaxing you, then you deserve to be lied to. And you deserve UHC.

And you had SEVERAL conservatives running for President in 2016. But the dumb fucks chose a fucking clown huckster.

Instead of you giving your stupid TDS afflicted Trump rants how about telling us how the idiot socialist Democrats are going to not fuck up this country with failed Left policies?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

60+ fake repeals when they controlled the House, knowing it would not pass the Senate or Obama's desk.

And each time one of those fake repeals passed the House, the pseudocons would hoot and holler and high five each other on this forum. It was astonishing to see them NEVER catch on they were being hoaxed.

Then the GOP won both Houses of Congress and the White House, and what the fuck do you know, not a single bill to repeal Obamacare! And not a single once since!


The rubes STILL have not caught on they were hoaxed!

They are beyond retarded. They are willfully blind and stupid.

Give it a break already. This topic is barely three pages long, and I counted 12 of the posts from you all saying the same thing over and over.

And yet you STILL have not realized you have been massively hoaxed by Trump and the GOP.

After all these years, you still have not realized it and taken them to account for it.

You just lay there and take it, like the good little submissive lackey you are.

So WTF do you want us to do? You only have two choices when it comes to electing a President. It's not like we have a dozen parties running. So you choose the one that is closest to your views as possible. That's all anybody can do.

Instead of whining about Sanders, start demanding Trump roll out his fucking promised solution. Start demanding the GOP roll out their Obamacare replacement they have been promising for NINE years!

So long as you let them get away with hoaxing you, then you deserve to be lied to. And you deserve UHC.

And you had SEVERAL conservatives running for President in 2016. But the dumb fucks chose a fucking clown huckster.

Well I'll tell you what, why don't you start a thread on Trump doing something about healthcare, and I'll see you there. But this thread is about Sander's and his proposal. That's why we are discussing it.