Bernie Sanders: We Will Raise Taxes On Anyone Making Over $29,000 To Fund Government Health Care

[NightFox]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

So how do you propose we regulate everybody's diet?

You don't have to regulate it , you just have to stop subsidizing commodity crops that by in large get turned into cheap, nutrient sparse, high calorie processed foods and meat products while at the same time NOT subsidizing healthy plant based foods (fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, seeds).

We're essentially subsidizing farmers to grow crops that get turned into (cheap) foods that make our citizenry unhealthy, by 2030 the estimates are that over 40% of the U.S. citizenry will be obese (80% overweight) and 1/3 will have diabetes and that the current generation will be the first in recorded history to live shorter lives than their parents, all thanks to our shitty diet (and to a lesser degree lack of exercise).

If we keep going the way we're going there won't be enough resources in the world to provide anything approaching quality health care for any significant fraction of the population.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

So how do you propose we regulate everybody's diet?

You don't have to regulate it , you just have to stop subsidizing commodity crops that by in large get turned into cheap, nutrient sparse, high calorie processed foods and meat products while at the same time NOT subsidizing healthy plant based foods (fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, seeds).

We're essentially subsidizing farmers to grow crops that get turned into (cheap) foods that make our citizenry unhealthy, by 2030 the estimates are that over 40% of the U.S. citizenry will be obese (80% overweight) and 1/3 will have diabetes and that the current generation will be the first in recorded history to live shorter lives than their parents, all thanks to our shitty diet (and to a lesser degree lack of exercise).

If we keep going the way we're going there won't be enough resources in the world to provide anything approaching quality health care for any significant fraction of the population.

Potato chips, Soda Pop, snack crackers, ice cream etc. etc. etc. - ARE ALL SUBSIDIZED HEAVILY.

 

[pknopp]

Yes, corporations are thoroughly unaccountable to the people. That's the main purpose of incorporating to begin with. Govt, otoh exists, in theory at least, to serve the people.

It's a bad theory, nuts. Replacing consumer freedom with government oversight isn't a good trade. Outside of theft and fraud, businesses are best held accountable by consumers who are free to tell them to fly a kite, not authoritarian regulators telling everyone how to live correctly.

Theories are theories for a reason. Trump would still be ripping off his charity if not for oversite. Without oversite how does corruption get exposed?

Crimes are investigated and "exposed" by the police.

Lol....ok....where were the police concerning the banking corruption of a decade ago? Did the police expose the corruption in Trump's charity?


Even at that, the police are a part of the government's oversite

 

[Flash]

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If we are going to subsidize the rich, yes I'm going to advocate for the poor.

See you really don't have any convictions. LOL! You are confused and don't know what the hell to believe. Typical Moon Bat.

I am against all welfare. No subsidies, no grants, no bailouts, no welfare no entitlements. That includes foreign the same as domestic. Rich and poor alike.

No bailouts to banks, no subsidies to farmers, not bailouts to GM and no foreign aid to Israel or South Korea or anybody else.

No food stamps to Illegals or inner city welfare queens.

No spending more money than the government takes in. You know, fiscal responsibility.

When you develop some real convictions on the horseshit you post then maybe you will have some credibility and I'll take you seriously. Until then bug off.

That's great you are for that. When do you suppose it will start?

When people with moral courage realize that it is immoral for the fucking government to take the money that we earn and give it away to shitheads that didn't earn it.

Ain't gonna happen soon because politician have figured out if they run on a platform to steal your money and give it way to people that have a larger voting contingency then they will stay in power.

The people that steal from me are not the rich that create jobs, pay a large tax and are philanthropists but the tens of millions of assholes Moon Bats that vote in government to give them entitlements like free health care or education or housing or Obamaphones or whatever.

When you figure out your convictions then let me know. Until then you are simply too confused for me to waste my time educating you.

 

[NightFox]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

So how do you propose we regulate everybody's diet?

You don't have to regulate it , you just have to stop subsidizing commodity crops that by in large get turned into cheap, nutrient sparse, high calorie processed foods and meat products while at the same time NOT subsidizing healthy plant based foods (fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, seeds).

We're essentially subsidizing farmers to grow crops that get turned into (cheap) foods that make our citizenry unhealthy, by 2030 the estimates are that over 40% of the U.S. citizenry will be obese (80% overweight) and 1/3 will have diabetes and that the current generation will be the first in recorded history to live shorter lives than their parents, all thanks to our shitty diet (and to a lesser degree lack of exercise).

If we keep going the way we're going there won't be enough resources in the world to provide anything approaching quality health care for any significant fraction of the population.

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Potato chips, Soda Pop, snack crackers, ice cream etc. etc. etc. - ARE ALL SUBSIDIZED HEAVILY.

Yep, as are saturated fat laden beef and pork products given that the majority of subsidized corn and soy go to feed cows & pigs.

 

[Bush92]

All you rich folks making $14 an hour need to bear the burden.

Sanders: Families Making $29,000 Will ‘Pay More In Taxes’ For Medicare For All - The Partnership for America’s Health Care Future

Sanders is a hard left Marxist nut case.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

We are the only country in the world where the MAJORITY of obese citizens are malnourished as well as overweight.
This costs the healthcare system $Billions every single year.
And THAT is why our healthcare costs are so high.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

So how do you propose we regulate everybody's diet?

You don't have to regulate it , you just have to stop subsidizing commodity crops that by in large get turned into cheap, nutrient sparse, high calorie processed foods and meat products while at the same time NOT subsidizing healthy plant based foods (fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, seeds).

We're essentially subsidizing farmers to grow crops that get turned into (cheap) foods that make our citizenry unhealthy, by 2030 the estimates are that over 40% of the U.S. citizenry will be obese (80% overweight) and 1/3 will have diabetes and that the current generation will be the first in recorded history to live shorter lives than their parents, all thanks to our shitty diet (and to a lesser degree lack of exercise).

If we keep going the way we're going there won't be enough resources in the world to provide anything approaching quality health care for any significant fraction of the population.

I seriously doubt it has anything to do with cost. If somebody wants to sit on the couch with three boxes of cracker jacks, that's what they want to do, even if it costs five bucks a box. I can't see anybody saying they're going to eat a bag of grapes because cracker jacks are too expensive.

With the advancement of technology, we've become much less active. I have older tenants and younger tenants. When spring breaks, all us older people get outside. We have a fire, they bring their kids with them, and they play outside. My younger tenants? I've seen some that never left the apartment unless they were going to their car. Their entire world is in their four walls. They have their cell phone, their internet, their cable television, their video games. No need to go outside.

Today if a kid wants to play baseball, he does it on his Playstation whatever. That's why you just about have to speak Spanish if you want to understand what's being discussed in our professional baseball dugouts. Where they came from, they grew up like we did in the 60's and 70's.

 

[Bush92]

We are the only country in the world where the MAJORITY of obese citizens are malnourished as well as overweight.
This costs the healthcare system $Billions every single year.
And THAT is why our healthcare costs are so high.

Why schools need actual “physical education” classes. But, lawyers have saw to it that the risk of lawsuit supersedes fat Johnny having to do sit-ups.

 

[Grumblenuts]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

Heh... it's way more than poor diet. Health insurance, or rather our abuse of health insurance, is very much at the core of the problem with the health care market. The thing is, group health insurance (whether employer funded or government funded - makes no difference) isn't a viable way to pay for health care. It injects massive moral hazard by inverting consumer incentives. e.g. an insured health care consumer has no incentive to save money on health care costs, they have the opposite incentive. The only reason this kind of insurance exists is because of ill-conceived regulation imposed by government.

Vastly agree up to the last bit.. Such a common experience that! Insurance was never designed to work for vast groups of strangers. An element of trust is essential. Large families, self-insured small companies and unions, and so forth. Once people have no idea who they're pooling their money with it just becomes a magnet for chaos and corruption. While government is necessarily required, it isn't the instigator. All corruption begins with someone or thing having deep pockets and wanting some political favor in exchange for a bribe. Then corrupt politicians take those bribes. Doesn't matter who approaches whom first. Neither could happen so rampantly without too deep pockets to begin with. And of course businesses require regulation. Free market my ass.

 

[dblack]

Yes, corporations are thoroughly unaccountable to the people. That's the main purpose of incorporating to begin with. Govt, otoh exists, in theory at least, to serve the people.

It's a bad theory, nuts. Replacing consumer freedom with government oversight isn't a good trade. Outside of theft and fraud, businesses are best held accountable by consumers who are free to tell them to fly a kite, not authoritarian regulators telling everyone how to live correctly.

Theories are theories for a reason. Trump would still be ripping off his charity if not for oversite. Without oversite how does corruption get exposed?

Crimes are investigated and "exposed" by the police.

Lol....ok....where were the police concerning the banking corruption of a decade ago? Did the police expose the corruption in Trump's charity?


Even at that, the police are a part of the government's oversite

Oversight implies regulation - regulation that dictates conformity for the sake of it. I support government investigating and prosecuting actual crimes. I don't support mandating conformity for the sake of it.

 

[satrebil]

This thread is the very definition of Fake News.

He literally said it on air you DOPE.

 

[BS Filter]

I thought Bernie was only going to tax the "rich".

 

[Bush92]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

Heh... it's way more than poor diet. Health insurance, or rather our abuse of health insurance, is very much at the core of the problem with the health care market. The thing is, group health insurance (whether employer funded or government funded - makes no difference) isn't a viable way to pay for health care. It injects massive moral hazard by inverting consumer incentives. e.g. an insured health care consumer has no incentive to save money on health care costs, they have the opposite incentive. The only reason this kind of insurance exists is because of ill-conceived regulation imposed by government.

Vastly agree up to the last bit.. Such a common experience that! Insurance was never designed to work for vast groups of strangers. An element of trust is essential. Large families, self-insured small companies and unions, and so forth. Once people have no idea who they're pooling their money with it just becomes a magnet for corruption. While government is necessarily required, it isn't the instigator. All corruption begins with someone or thing having deep pockets and wanting some political favor in exchange for a bribe. Then corrupt politicians take those bribes. Doesn't matter who approaches whom first. Neither could happen so rampantly without too deep pockets to begin with. And of course businesses require regulation. Free market my ass.

How on earth did all those settlers out on the frontier survive without socialized medicine? How did all the generations before LBJ’s great society survive without socialized medicine?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We are the only country in the world where the MAJORITY of obese citizens are malnourished as well as overweight.
This costs the healthcare system $Billions every single year.
And THAT is why our healthcare costs are so high.

Why schools need actual “physical education” classes. But, lawyers have saw to it that the risk of lawsuit supersedes fat Johnny having to do sit-ups.

I don't think the school has anything to do with it. School is there to learn things, not get exercise. It's up to the parents to take away the cell phones and video games, and kick their kids outside for the day.

 

[Bush92]

We are the only country in the world where the MAJORITY of obese citizens are malnourished as well as overweight.
This costs the healthcare system $Billions every single year.
And THAT is why our healthcare costs are so high.

Why schools need actual “physical education” classes. But, lawyers have saw to it that the risk of lawsuit supersedes fat Johnny having to do sit-ups.

I don't think the school has anything to do with it. School is there to learn things, not get exercise. It's up to the parents to take away the cell phones and video gams, and kick their kids outside for the day.

But when I went to school we had to pass a push-up test, sit-up test, and run a mile for time. When you were done with physical education class you had to shower because your ass was sweating. How come European kids are not obese? They have soccer, gymnastics, and swimming as part of physical education. Our schools should build our students mind and body. The Ancient Greek principle.

 

[dblack]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

Heh... it's way more than poor diet. Health insurance, or rather our abuse of health insurance, is very much at the core of the problem with the health care market. The thing is, group health insurance (whether employer funded or government funded - makes no difference) isn't a viable way to pay for health care. It injects massive moral hazard by inverting consumer incentives. e.g. an insured health care consumer has no incentive to save money on health care costs, they have the opposite incentive. The only reason this kind of insurance exists is because of ill-conceived regulation imposed by government.

Vastly agree up to the last bit.. Such a common experience that! Insurance was never designed to work for vast groups of strangers. An element of trust is essential. Large families, self-insured small companies and unions, and so forth. Once people have no idea who they're pooling their money with it just becomes a magnet for chaos and corruption. While government is necessarily required, it isn't the instigator. All corruption begins with someone or thing having deep pockets and wanting some political favor in exchange for a bribe. Then corrupt politicians take those bribes. Doesn't matter who approaches whom first. Neither could happen so rampantly without too deep pockets to begin with. And of course businesses require regulation. Free market my ass.

"Free market" doesn't include bribing politicians. That's the opposite of a free market.

The problem is that lawmakers have so many favors to sell. That's why they pass all these regulations in the first place. It radically increases their power, and with it their ability to sell favors for bribes. If we give politicians the power to make or break a business with the stroke of a pen, businesses will do everything in their power to influence the politicians' decisions. It becomes crucial to their survival.

Yet somehow you seem to think giving politicians even more power, more laws and regulations, more favors to sell, will help the situation?

 

[NightFox]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

So how do you propose we regulate everybody's diet?

You don't have to regulate it , you just have to stop subsidizing commodity crops that by in large get turned into cheap, nutrient sparse, high calorie processed foods and meat products while at the same time NOT subsidizing healthy plant based foods (fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, seeds).

We're essentially subsidizing farmers to grow crops that get turned into (cheap) foods that make our citizenry unhealthy, by 2030 the estimates are that over 40% of the U.S. citizenry will be obese (80% overweight) and 1/3 will have diabetes and that the current generation will be the first in recorded history to live shorter lives than their parents, all thanks to our shitty diet (and to a lesser degree lack of exercise).

If we keep going the way we're going there won't be enough resources in the world to provide anything approaching quality health care for any significant fraction of the population.

I seriously doubt it has anything to do with cost. If somebody wants to sit on the couch with three boxes of cracker jacks, that's what they want to do, even if it costs five bucks a box. I can't see anybody saying they're going to eat a bag of grapes because cracker jacks are too expensive.

Trust me, it's all about cost, if healthy foods were on an even playing field with unhealthy processed foods from a price perspective the problem we're seeing with chronic disease trends wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is now.

Of course we do NEED increased education with respect to diet because the "junk food" industry represents one the most powerful marketing cartels on the planet and we also do not educate our health care professionals NEARLY enough with respect to nutrition (for example the typical doctor only receives 19-20 hours of education related to nutrition in Medical School).

It's a winnable battle but step one is to adopt an agricultural policy that is not INSANE and adopt one that encourages the competitiveness of a healthy diet for the U.S. citizenry, that alone will begin the process of actually LOWERING health care costs.

With the advancement of technology, we've become much less active. I have older tenants and younger tenants. When spring breaks, all us older people get outside. We have a fire, they bring their kids with them, and they play outside. My younger tenants? I've seen some that never left the apartment unless they were going to their car. Their entire world is in their four walls. They have their cell phone, their internet, their cable television, their video games. No need to go outside.

Today if a kid wants to play baseball, he does it on his Playstation whatever. That's why you just about have to speak Spanish if you want to understand what's being discussed in our professional baseball dugouts. Where they came from, they grew up like we did in the 60's and 70's.

You make good points on the lack of exercise problem.

 

[dblack]

How on earth did all those settlers out on the frontier survive without socialized medicine? How did all the generations before LBJ’s great society survive without socialized medicine?

They didn't! They all died. See, proof that we need UHC!

 

[Bush92]

So apparently, like all other UHC supporters you are just going to ignore that the reason American costs are so high is due to poor diet and not insurance companies?
typical

So how do you propose we regulate everybody's diet?

You don't have to regulate it , you just have to stop subsidizing commodity crops that by in large get turned into cheap, nutrient sparse, high calorie processed foods and meat products while at the same time NOT subsidizing healthy plant based foods (fruits, vegetables, nuts, legumes, seeds).

We're essentially subsidizing farmers to grow crops that get turned into (cheap) foods that make our citizenry unhealthy, by 2030 the estimates are that over 40% of the U.S. citizenry will be obese (80% overweight) and 1/3 will have diabetes and that the current generation will be the first in recorded history to live shorter lives than their parents, all thanks to our shitty diet (and to a lesser degree lack of exercise).

If we keep going the way we're going there won't be enough resources in the world to provide anything approaching quality health care for any significant fraction of the population.

I seriously doubt it has anything to do with cost. If somebody wants to sit on the couch with three boxes of cracker jacks, that's what they want to do, even if it costs five bucks a box. I can't see anybody saying they're going to eat a bag of grapes because cracker jacks are too expensive.

Trust me, it's all about cost, if healthy foods were on an even playing field with unhealthy processed foods from a price perspective the problem we're seeing with chronic disease trends wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is now.

Of course we do NEED increased education with respect to diet because the "junk food" industry represents one the most powerful marketing cartels on the planet and we also do not educate our health care professionals NEARLY enough with respect to nutrition (for example the typical doctor only receives 19-20 hours of education related to nutrition in Medical School).

It's a winnable battle but step one is to adopt an agricultural policy that is not INSANE and adopt one that encourages the competitiveness of a healthy diet for the U.S. citizenry, that alone will begin the process of actually LOWERING health care costs.

With the advancement of technology, we've become much less active. I have older tenants and younger tenants. When spring breaks, all us older people get outside. We have a fire, they bring their kids with them, and they play outside. My younger tenants? I've seen some that never left the apartment unless they were going to their car. Their entire world is in their four walls. They have their cell phone, their internet, their cable television, their video games. No need to go outside.

Today if a kid wants to play baseball, he does it on his Playstation whatever. That's why you just about have to speak Spanish if you want to understand what's being discussed in our professional baseball dugouts. Where they came from, they grew up like we did in the 60's and 70's.

You make good points on the lack of exercise problem.

I find an advantage of living in the countryside is the ability to hunt your food. Deer meat, rabbit meat, and pheasant meat is very lean. Plus hunting can be a labor intensive activity. I derive great pleasure in kicking up a covey of quail and knocking some down.