Bernie Sanders: We Will Raise Taxes On Anyone Making Over $29,000 To Fund Government Health Care

[Zorro!]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Hey maybe we can be like FRANCE and have universal health care but if you notice, they are rioting... fed up with the soul crushing taxes. You know people like Sanders dont worry about taxes because they are set for life. Nothing they impose on others will affect them personally. By improvements, democrats mean... that once they figure out that the taxes wont even touch the costs of their health care plan they will raise taxes even more. They want to fix the American people the same way that you would fix a dog.

Bernie is a millionaire with 3 homes including a Lakeside Dacha.

 

[pknopp]

How can anybody...take Bernie Sanders seriously....

is beyond me..

I mean....how stupid are those idiots?


Very stupid.

Sanders needs to come out and say Mexico will pay for it.

 

[Zorro!]

How can anybody...take Bernie Sanders seriously....

is beyond me..

I mean....how stupid are those idiots?


Very stupid.

Sanders needs to come out and say Mexico will pay for it.

Sanders isn't that clever.

 

[Yarddog]

How can anybody...take Bernie Sanders seriously....

is beyond me..

I mean....how stupid are those idiots?


Very stupid.

Sanders needs to come out and say Mexico will pay for it.

Why not? probably at least 20 % of their population would be using the plan.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Then why didn't they make the improvements before implementing the plan?

 

[Yarddog]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Then why didn't they make the improvements before implementing the plan?

They can't throw the monkey wrench in, until the gears are moving.

 

[dblack]

To refresh your memory, ...

My memory's fine, douchebag. Here is the post you responded to:

And while these idiots drum their lips, Trump works on something meaningful:

IT’S NOT THE CRIME, IT’S THE COVERUP: Hospitals Sue Trump to Keep Negotiated Prices Secret.

“The nation’s hospital groups sued the Trump administration on Wednesday over a new federal rule that would require them to disclose the discounted prices they give insurers for all sorts of procedures.”​

Trump could always just ban price discrimination, and require them to charge the same price to all comers. I mean, if they’re so against disclosure. Meanwhile, the Trump Administration hits the right note:

“Hospitals should be ashamed that they aren’t willing to provide American patients the cost of a service before they purchase it.”​

Great. More big government regulation. Just what we need.

And you responded with bunch of stuff about Democrats. I guess you're just trying to avoid that fact that Trump is proposing big government regulation. He's no limited-government conservative.

 

[Zorro!]

To refresh your memory, ...

My memory's fine, douchebag...

Vulgarity is no substitute for well made points.

 

[dblack]

To refresh your memory, ...

My memory's fine, douchebag...

Vulgarity is no substitute for well made points.

Neither is diversion and avoidance.

 

[Weatherman2020]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Really? Like what and why didn’t you do it?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To refresh your memory, ...

My memory's fine, douchebag. Here is the post you responded to:

And while these idiots drum their lips, Trump works on something meaningful:

IT’S NOT THE CRIME, IT’S THE COVERUP: Hospitals Sue Trump to Keep Negotiated Prices Secret.

“The nation’s hospital groups sued the Trump administration on Wednesday over a new federal rule that would require them to disclose the discounted prices they give insurers for all sorts of procedures.”​

Trump could always just ban price discrimination, and require them to charge the same price to all comers. I mean, if they’re so against disclosure. Meanwhile, the Trump Administration hits the right note:

“Hospitals should be ashamed that they aren’t willing to provide American patients the cost of a service before they purchase it.”​

Great. More big government regulation. Just what we need.

And you responded with bunch of stuff about Democrats. I guess you're just trying to avoid that fact that Trump is proposing big government regulation. He's no limited-government conservative.

What big government regulation do you speak of???

 

[dblack]

To refresh your memory, ...

My memory's fine, douchebag. Here is the post you responded to:

And while these idiots drum their lips, Trump works on something meaningful:

IT’S NOT THE CRIME, IT’S THE COVERUP: Hospitals Sue Trump to Keep Negotiated Prices Secret.

“The nation’s hospital groups sued the Trump administration on Wednesday over a new federal rule that would require them to disclose the discounted prices they give insurers for all sorts of procedures.”​

Trump could always just ban price discrimination, and require them to charge the same price to all comers. I mean, if they’re so against disclosure. Meanwhile, the Trump Administration hits the right note:

“Hospitals should be ashamed that they aren’t willing to provide American patients the cost of a service before they purchase it.”​

Great. More big government regulation. Just what we need.

And you responded with bunch of stuff about Democrats. I guess you're just trying to avoid that fact that Trump is proposing big government regulation. He's no limited-government conservative.

What big government regulation do you speak of???

It's in the post you quoted.

 

[Flopper]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Hey maybe we can be like FRANCE and have universal health care but if you notice, they are rioting... fed up with the soul crushing taxes. You know people like Sanders dont worry about taxes because they are set for life. Nothing they impose on others will affect them personally. By improvements, democrats mean... that once they figure out that the taxes wont even touch the costs of their health care plan they will raise taxes even more. They want to fix the American people the same way that you would fix a dog.

High taxes do not lead to rioting. The rioting occurs when goverment can't use those taxes to delivery on promises made.

 

[Flopper]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Then why didn't they make the improvements before implementing the plan?

No one knew what improvements were needed until the plan was implemented. By then, republicans were fighting to repeal the plan and and blocking democrats attempts to fix it.

Obamacare was not really a failure. It just did not delivery everything promised. It eliminated prexisting conditions so insurance companies had to provide insurance regardless of serious illnesses. It eliminated junk insurance that allow insurance companies to sell plans that paid for low cost common medical care but failed to provide healthcare for really serious problems. It eliminated long waiting periods, up to two years of employment in some cases, and many other rather deceptive practices in the insurance industry. It required insurance companies to provide standardize benefits, making insurance easy to understand and compare. It added a lot of preventive care and provided the largest increase ever in mental health and substance abuse coverage, which was long overdue. And lastly, it increased the number insured.

It's primary failure was high cost to the insured. Insurance companies were promised subsides to keep prices low and a mandatory requirement for insurance designed increase number of customers. Obama was not able to increase subsidies significantly without congress support and republicans blocked any attempt to do so. Many exemptions were granted to the mandatory requirement and finally republicans repealed it. The result was many insurance companies exited the market in areas of the country where competition was badly needed. Needless to say premiums went up making the insurance even less affordable.

If congress had increased subsidies and maintained a mandate that everyone have insurance, rates would have been much lower and the cost to government far less than Medicare for All.

It's ironic that republican work to destroy Obamacare, a healthcare system far less socialist that most healthcare plans in the world, has created a large demand for Medicare for All, a plan far more socialist and a far bigger hit on government revenue.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Bottom Line....

If we totally BLEW UP all government health care and made it a totally FREE MARKET with posted online prices for reference....

PRICES WOULD DROP 70% in a year....


Want to cut the cost of health care??

Then CUT GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT, because for the duration of government's interference with health care starting with LBJ, health care costs have vastly outpaced inflation, and that's putting it mildly... Nurses make $150k per year!!!

Health care prices are not isolated, it's a problem no matter what country you go to. But government is a huge problem in our particular situation. Government is not the solution. Look at what Commie Care did to this country. Look what happened when DumBama had the government takeover school loans. Look at the problems government created in the lending institutions.

Democrats are behind government running things, but when they do, they make it better for some, and worse for most others. The people that get the advantages are likely Democrat voters, and the people who get screwed are likely Republicans. The problems are never solved, just moved from one entity to another.

In any case, many of our representatives on either side are former lawyers. They are not about to regulate to make things harder on their industry, even if it's better for the country.

Actually, quite the opposite.

Lack of government intervention is the issue.

Germany pays out of pocket + in government spending about half of what we do.
Yet, they live longer.

The issue is that the free market leads to jacked up prices, besides we already have the most inefficient form of national healthcare, one where the government pays for peoples ER tabs who can't pay it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Then why didn't they make the improvements before implementing the plan?

No one knew what improvements were needed until the plan was implemented. By then, republicans were fighting to repeal the plan and and blocking democrats attempts to fix it.

Obamacare was not really a failure. It just did not delivery everything promised. It eliminated prexisting conditions so insurance companies had to provide insurance regardless of serious illnesses. It eliminated junk insurance that allow insurance companies to sell plans that paid for low cost common medical care but failed to provide healthcare for really serious problems. It eliminated long waiting periods, up to two years of employment in some cases, and many other rather deceptive practices in the insurance industry. It required insurance companies to provide standardize benefits, making insurance easy to understand and compare. It added a lot of preventive care and provided the largest increase ever in mental health and substance abuse coverage, which was long overdue. And lastly, it increased the number insured.

It's primary failure was high cost to the insured. Insurance companies were promised subsides to keep prices low and a mandatory requirement for insurance designed increase number of customers. Obama was not able to increase subsidies significantly without congress support and republicans blocked any attempt to do so. Many exemptions were granted to the mandatory requirement and finally republicans repealed it. The result was many insurance companies exited the market in areas of the country where competition was badly needed. Needless to say premiums went up making the insurance even less affordable.

If congress had increased subsidies and maintained a mandate that everyone have insurance, rates would have been much lower and the cost to government far less than Medicare for All.

It's ironic that republican work to destroy Obamacare, a healthcare system far less socialist that most healthcare plans in the world, has created a large demand for Medicare for All, a plan far more socialist and a far bigger hit on government revenue.

Obamacare was an epic failure that gutted our healthcare system and caused the huge spike in costs we see today.
But I hope Democrats run on it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Bottom Line....

If we totally BLEW UP all government health care and made it a totally FREE MARKET with posted online prices for reference....

PRICES WOULD DROP 70% in a year....


Want to cut the cost of health care??

Then CUT GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT, because for the duration of government's interference with health care starting with LBJ, health care costs have vastly outpaced inflation, and that's putting it mildly... Nurses make $150k per year!!!

Health care prices are not isolated, it's a problem no matter what country you go to. But government is a huge problem in our particular situation. Government is not the solution. Look at what Commie Care did to this country. Look what happened when DumBama had the government takeover school loans. Look at the problems government created in the lending institutions.

Democrats are behind government running things, but when they do, they make it better for some, and worse for most others. The people that get the advantages are likely Democrat voters, and the people who get screwed are likely Republicans. The problems are never solved, just moved from one entity to another.

In any case, many of our representatives on either side are former lawyers. They are not about to regulate to make things harder on their industry, even if it's better for the country.

Actually, quite the opposite.

Lack of government intervention is the issue.

Germany pays out of pocket + in government spending about half of what we do.
Yet, they live longer.

The issue is that the free market leads to jacked up prices, besides we already have the most inefficient form of national healthcare, one where the government pays for peoples ER tabs who can't pay it.

Everybody wants to immigrate to Germany. Said no one ever.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Bottom Line....

If we totally BLEW UP all government health care and made it a totally FREE MARKET with posted online prices for reference....

PRICES WOULD DROP 70% in a year....


Want to cut the cost of health care??

Then CUT GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT, because for the duration of government's interference with health care starting with LBJ, health care costs have vastly outpaced inflation, and that's putting it mildly... Nurses make $150k per year!!!

Health care prices are not isolated, it's a problem no matter what country you go to. But government is a huge problem in our particular situation. Government is not the solution. Look at what Commie Care did to this country. Look what happened when DumBama had the government takeover school loans. Look at the problems government created in the lending institutions.

Democrats are behind government running things, but when they do, they make it better for some, and worse for most others. The people that get the advantages are likely Democrat voters, and the people who get screwed are likely Republicans. The problems are never solved, just moved from one entity to another.

In any case, many of our representatives on either side are former lawyers. They are not about to regulate to make things harder on their industry, even if it's better for the country.

Actually, quite the opposite.

Lack of government intervention is the issue.

Germany pays out of pocket + in government spending about half of what we do.
Yet, they live longer.

The issue is that the free market leads to jacked up prices, besides we already have the most inefficient form of national healthcare, one where the government pays for peoples ER tabs who can't pay it.

Everybody wants to immigrate to Germany. Said no one ever.

Nice deflection from the fact that the USA spends the most by far in the World in healthcare when including both out of pocket + government spending on healthcare.

Every single country which has single payer pays less than the USA.

There's many immigrants in Germany too, such as Turks, Syrians, Russians, Poles, Albanians, Morrocans, Italians, Afghanis, Gypsies, Iraqis, Chechens, Serbs, and even Jews etc.

 

[RealDave]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Then why didn't they make the improvements before implementing the plan?

No one knew what improvements were needed until the plan was implemented. By then, republicans were fighting to repeal the plan and and blocking democrats attempts to fix it.

Obamacare was not really a failure. It just did not delivery everything promised. It eliminated prexisting conditions so insurance companies had to provide insurance regardless of serious illnesses. It eliminated junk insurance that allow insurance companies to sell plans that paid for low cost common medical care but failed to provide healthcare for really serious problems. It eliminated long waiting periods, up to two years of employment in some cases, and many other rather deceptive practices in the insurance industry. It required insurance companies to provide standardize benefits, making insurance easy to understand and compare. It added a lot of preventive care and provided the largest increase ever in mental health and substance abuse coverage, which was long overdue. And lastly, it increased the number insured.

It's primary failure was high cost to the insured. Insurance companies were promised subsides to keep prices low and a mandatory requirement for insurance designed increase number of customers. Obama was not able to increase subsidies significantly without congress support and republicans blocked any attempt to do so. Many exemptions were granted to the mandatory requirement and finally republicans repealed it. The result was many insurance companies exited the market in areas of the country where competition was badly needed. Needless to say premiums went up making the insurance even less affordable.

If congress had increased subsidies and maintained a mandate that everyone have insurance, rates would have been much lower and the cost to government far less than Medicare for All.

It's ironic that republican work to destroy Obamacare, a healthcare system far less socialist that most healthcare plans in the world, has created a large demand for Medicare for All, a plan far more socialist and a far bigger hit on government revenue.

Obamacare was an epic failure that gutted our healthcare system and caused the huge spike in costs we see today.
But I hope Democrats run on it.

The ACA lowered the rate of premium increases.

I hope you Republicans run on how you couldn't come up with something better.

 

[RealDave]

In 2008 Democrats said they fixed healthcare.

How’d that work out here 11 years later?

Good enough that you assfuck Republicans can't come up with anything better.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

BTW lying piece of shit, Democrats said it needed improvements. Like any major piece of legislation.

Really? Like what and why didn’t you do it?

Because assfuck Republicans were running Congress.