Bernie: "Today the Walton family of Walmart own more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of America."

[thereisnospoon]

Good to know the bullies are happy with being bullies. Doesn't change a single thing I said.

And there is no amount of, "They exist at the same time, so THIS one caused THAT one!" that you can scream that's going to make it true.

We an see the results of the republican war on unions. It isn't pretty. The facts show you are wrong.

EVER NOTICE Republicans always seem to be in charge?
listening to, and reading the posts of left-wing nutjobs you cant help but get the impression the Left thinks Republican "evil" is stronger then the good intentions of Progressives who consider themselves much smarter than the mean ol "greedy" Republicans

idiots and hypocrites

The republicans are the ones who have been preaching against unions. They got what they wanted. Now we have stagnant wages, out of control inequality, and slow economy.

because those can be the only reasons for stagnant wages, "out of control inequalilty" and a slow economy.

it figures an idiot left-winger actually uses a screename of "brain" and posts only myopic stupidity

First I'm an independant. Second please share what you think the issue is.

Independent my ass.....You are far left. Just stop lying to yourself

 

[thereisnospoon]

You said they provide "opportunities" for good wages. Companies do that, unions don't

Without unions opportunities have dwindled. Wages are stagnant.

Since unions don't provide any opportunities, if that's true, maybe it has nothing to do with unions, ya think, Holmes?

I think we wouldn't have a middle class without unions. There is a reason every country with a strong middle class has unions.

Well, if you don't think so that's fact, I concede. Thank you for clarifying that. Obviously no one could do middle class on their own, they need it done for them

Well what country has a strong middle class without unions?

That question does not rise to the level of vapid.

 

[paulitician]

My prediction is, one day the Waltons will demand a Government Bailout. Walmart is tanking. They'll run the ole 'Too Big To Fail' scam on the Gov. We'll see what all the greedy Republican Walmart-Worshippers say when they're forced to bail the Waltons out. Stay tuned.

Shut up...

Ha, can't wait to see what all you Republican Walmart-Worshippers say when you're forced to hand some of that Corporate Welfare to the Waltons. Gonna be fun.

because there are no Walmart shoppers that aren't republican.

are you retarded??

Yeah, but it's you greedy Republican Walmart-Worshippers who are all for paying American Workers shite wages. So it's gonna be funny watching y'all be forced to bail the Waltons out with your tax dollars. Poetic Justice.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Since unions don't provide any opportunities, if that's true, maybe it has nothing to do with unions, ya think, Holmes?

I think we wouldn't have a middle class without unions. There is a reason every country with a strong middle class has unions.

Well, if you don't think so that's fact, I concede. Thank you for clarifying that. Obviously no one could do middle class on their own, they need it done for them

Well what country has a strong middle class without unions?

They blackmail companies into spending far more for labor than it's worth, while causing untold damage to the community at large . . . which is why they're so out-of-favor. Not only that, they hobble and enslave their own members far more than the employers would ever dream of doing.

I have had many family members who were happy Union members with good jobs. What you are claiming is bull. Without them we have stagnant wages, out of control inequality and a slow economy.

Why couldn't they make it on their own? Why did they need a union to negotiate their wages for them?

With stagnant wages you could ask that of most people.

The rise of leftism was completely consistent with 'stagnant wages.' The more you wanted pay without performance, the more wages stalled

What are you talking about? Wages have stagnated with the union decline.

Not true....

 

[SAYIT]

Don't wanna hire and pay workers a decent wage? STFU and do the work yourself. Problem solved.

Asshats don't get to determine what is a "decent wage" unless they own the company. See how that works?

Then do the work yourself. Otherwise, STFU and pay up. You can't have your slaves. Deal with it.

I did plenty of the work and those who worked for me (I'm retired) were not forced to do so. We had an agreed upon wage/work arrangement and when either party was dissatisfied with it we simply parted ways. I had no obligation to them beyond our arrangement and they had none to me.

Whiny, sniveling, idiots had no say in how I ran my businesses and none in any employee's decision to work for me.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Were that Bernie were about just knocking down the filthy rich some pegs; but lest we forget Dems are about major obstacles to small businesses too.

Protecting small businesses was one of the reasons Sanders voted against the Brady bill. He was also a small business owner himself.

Sanders is a system politician. He protects the political elites; it's why he's never once called out Hillary for her cronyism.

 

[paulitician]

Don't wanna hire and pay workers a decent wage? STFU and do the work yourself. Problem solved.

Asshats don't get to determine what is a "decent wage" unless they own the company. See how that works?

Then do the work yourself. Otherwise, STFU and pay up. You can't have your slaves. Deal with it.

I did plenty of the work and those who worked for me (I'm retired) were not forced to do so. We had an agreed upon wage/work arrangement and when either party was dissatisfied with it we simply parted ways. I had no obligation to them beyond our arrangement and they had none to me.

Whiny, sniveling, idiots had no say in how I ran my businesses and none in any employee's decision to work for me.

Ah, you just want your slaves. But you can't have em. Too bad for you. You don't wanna pay fellow Americans a decent wage, just shut up and do the work yourself. Problem solved.

 

[Arianrhod]

Were that Bernie were about just knocking down the filthy rich some pegs; but lest we forget Dems are about major obstacles to small businesses too.

Protecting small businesses was one of the reasons Sanders voted against the Brady bill. He was also a small business owner himself.

Sanders is a system politician. He protects the political elites; it's why he's never once called out Hillary for her cronyism.

Never let facts get in the way of a preset narrative...

 

[SAYIT]

We an see the results of the republican war on unions. It isn't pretty. The facts show you are wrong.

EVER NOTICE Republicans always seem to be in charge?
listening to, and reading the posts of left-wing nutjobs you cant help but get the impression the Left thinks Republican "evil" is stronger then the good intentions of Progressives who consider themselves much smarter than the mean ol "greedy" Republicans

idiots and hypocrites

The republicans are the ones who have been preaching against unions. They got what they wanted. Now we have stagnant wages, out of control inequality, and slow economy.

because those can be the only reasons for stagnant wages, "out of control inequalilty" and a slow economy.

it figures an idiot left-winger actually uses a screename of "brain" and posts only myopic stupidity

First I'm an independant. Second please share what you think the issue is.

Independent my ass.....You are far left. Just stop lying to yourself

One can be both politically independent and loony leftist. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[paulitician]

Don't wanna hire and pay workers a decent wage? STFU and do the work yourself. Problem solved.

Asshats don't get to determine what is a "decent wage" unless they own the company. See how that works?

Then do the work yourself. Otherwise, STFU and pay up. You can't have your slaves. Deal with it.

I never employed slaves and as I am retired, I have no need even for them. Sorry.

My prediction is, one day the Waltons will demand a Government Bailout. Walmart is tanking. They'll run the ole 'Too Big To Fail' scam on the Gov. We'll see what all the greedy Republican Walmart-Worshippers say when they're forced to bail the Waltons out. Stay tuned.

Shut up...

Ha, can't wait to see what all you Republican Walmart-Worshippers say when you're forced to hand some of that Corporate Welfare to the Waltons. Gonna be fun.

because there are no Walmart shoppers that aren't republican.

are you retarded??

Yeah, but it's you greedy Republican Walmart-Worshippers who are all for paying American Workers shite wages. So it's gonna be funny watching y'all be forced to bail the Waltons out with your tax dollars. Poetic Justice.

You like poetic justice?

On the advice of a now deceased friend I started buying Walmart stock in the early 1990s for my retirement fund at an average price of under $12/sh.
As part of my retirement strategy I sold it over the course of the past year at an average price over $78/sh.

My 5 adult children are now enjoying the fruit of my capitalist ways and smartly building their own houses of stone and brick.

Meanwhile you sit here banging out your frustrations at USMB as a world of opportunity passes you by.

Now that's my idea of poetic justice.

Don't worry, you'll bail the Waltons out at some point. Walmart is dying a slow painful death. The Waltons will demand their Taxpayer Bailout. You can bet on it. And we'll see what y'all worshippers say then.

But my guess is, you'll justify it somehow. Because we know y'all greedy white Republicans love Corporate Welfare. You only hate welfare that helps Americans who actually need the help.

 

[SAYIT]

I did plenty of the work and those who worked for me (I'm retired) were not forced to do so. We had an agreed upon wage/work arrangement and when either party was dissatisfied with it we simply parted ways. I had no obligation to them beyond our arrangement and they had none to me.

Whiny, sniveling, idiots had no say in how I ran my businesses and none in any employee's decision to work for me.

Ah, you just want your slaves. But you can't have em. Too bad for you. You don't wanna pay fellow Americans a decent wage, just shut up and do the work yourself. Problem solved.

Problem? What part of the term "retired" do you not understand?
I never employed slaves nor did I ever employ whiny, sniveling loony leftists (at least, not to my knowledge).

are you retarded??

Yeah, but it's you greedy Republican Walmart-Worshippers who are all for paying American Workers shite wages. So it's gonna be funny watching y'all be forced to bail the Waltons out with your tax dollars. Poetic Justice.

You like poetic justice?

On the advice of a now deceased friend I started buying Walmart stock in the early 1990s for my retirement fund at an average price of under $12/sh.
As part of my retirement strategy I sold it over the course of the past year at an average price over $78/sh.

My 5 adult children are now enjoying the fruit of my capitalist ways and smartly building their own houses of stone and brick.

Meanwhile you sit here banging out your frustrations at USMB as a world of opportunity passes you by.

Now that's my idea of poetic justice.

 

[Brain357]

Don't wanna hire and pay workers a decent wage? STFU and do the work yourself. Problem solved.

Asshats don't get to determine what is a "decent wage" unless they own the company. See how that works?

Then do the work yourself. Otherwise, STFU and pay up. You can't have your slaves. Deal with it.

I never employed slaves and as I am retired, I have no need even for them. Sorry.

Shut up...

Ha, can't wait to see what all you Republican Walmart-Worshippers say when you're forced to hand some of that Corporate Welfare to the Waltons. Gonna be fun.

because there are no Walmart shoppers that aren't republican.

are you retarded??

Yeah, but it's you greedy Republican Walmart-Worshippers who are all for paying American Workers shite wages. So it's gonna be funny watching y'all be forced to bail the Waltons out with your tax dollars. Poetic Justice.

You like poetic justice?

On the advice of a now deceased friend I started buying Walmart stock in the early 1990s for my retirement fund at an average price of under $12/sh.
As part of my retirement strategy I sold it over the course of the past year at an average price over $78/sh.

My 5 adult children are now enjoying the fruit of my capitalist ways and smartly building their own houses of stone and brick.

Meanwhile you sit here banging out your frustrations at USMB as a world of opportunity passes you by.

Now that's my idea of poetic justice.

Don't worry, you'll bail the Waltons out at some point. Walmart is dying a slow painful death. The Waltons will demand their Taxpayer Bailout. You can bet on it. And we'll see what y'all worshippers say then.

But my guess is, you'll justify it somehow. Because we know y'all greedy white Republicans love Corporate Welfare. You only hate welfare that helps Americans who actually need the help.

It's funny how they claim to want small government, but then support all that corporate welfare. As if you could have both...

 

[kaz]

...you just have to not be an idiot...

...to know which thread you're posting in. Good luck, then.

OK, thanks hemorrhoid

 

[Brain357]

They make sure employees get good wages.

You said they provide "opportunities" for good wages. Companies do that, unions don't

Without unions opportunities have dwindled. Wages are stagnant.

Since unions don't provide any opportunities, if that's true, maybe it has nothing to do with unions, ya think, Holmes?

I think we wouldn't have a middle class without unions. There is a reason every country with a strong middle class has unions.

That's horseshit.....I have never been a member of a union. Don't ever want to be. And never would.
I think you are using 2015 technology to espouse 1950's ideas.....Look, unions HAD their purpose. Unions are done.
Unions struggle to gain members even in traditionally union heavy occupations.
I cite the VW plant in Chattanooga, TN....The UAW tried at least twice to unionize that plant. Each time the rank and file voted "no" by a wide margin.
The second time the union lost they went to court looking for an injunction and asked the judge to order a "card check" vote...The judge denied the motion....The workers simply did not want to pay the union and see part of their wages siphoned off by a "middle man"

Yes the decline in unions is working out great for us. Stagnant wages, slow economy, out of control inequality...

 

[kaz]

When this nation was great, we would see a rich man and think; someday that's going to be me. That kind of thinking made us the greatest and most powerful nation on earth. Now most people look at a rich man and think; we need to take his money away. That kind of thinking has been instrumental in our decline.

That sounds real nice, but that was when we had strong unions and more opportunities. Now wages are stagnant.

LOL, unions provided "opportunities?" That's classic

For good wages yes.

No...Unions coerced and blackmailed businesses into paying wages far above the market rate.
Business will always do what it must to maintain profitability. Hence the reason why unions represent less than 7% of the private sector work force.

And wages are stagnant.

Yes, you destroyed the union industries like the automotive market. The only profitable US manufacturers are foreign manufacturers in right to work States not saddled with union costs. The idea that you will get rising wages in the long run out of companies you prevent from being profitable is, well, so you.

So a serious question. I am a business owner. I run a services company, most of my staff make well above average. I do have two low end employees though who are on welfare. Here's the thing, Holmes, they are low paid because they need to be managed closely. Their work needs to be checked far more than others. They will both do OK for a while then just for whatever reason turn their brains off and do completely dumb ass things you just look at and say WTF, how can anyone do such crap work?

They aren't worth to me what it would take for them to live without welfare. You force their wages higher, I will fire them both and hire better employees, which I could hire since you're forcing me to pay higher wages. They are both OK for what I pay them, though both when then fuck up badly enough get management question if we should fire them for what they earn now. Pay them more? No freaking way.

So what say you, brain? You want me to fire them? BTW, when I say serious question, the situation is real. I'm not going to actually fire them though based on the word of an Internet moron who knows zero of what he's talking about and is just spewing socialist rhetoric. But if the choice were up to you, what should I do? Pay them what I do and keep them or fire them and hire better employees worth a "living wage?"

 

[kaz]

That sounds real nice, but that was when we had strong unions and more opportunities. Now wages are stagnant.

LOL, unions provided "opportunities?" That's classic

For good wages yes.

How did they do that? Unions don't hire anyone.

They make sure employees get good wages.

No..They don't....Unions coerce business with intimidation.
Do you think any business wants a union mucking up the labor market and forcing an employer into paying above market wages leaving that business to non competitive status?
I cite the Stella D'Oro bakery case featured in an HBO special.
The company was getting killed by other bakers paying market wages in other parts of the country.
Teh Stella D'Oro workers were instructed by the union to walk out. The company told the union that the strike would not change anything. Wage and benefit concessions had ot be made or the plant would close. The strike lingered for months. Workers living off strike benefits were struggling. Some interviewed in the special said they wanted to go back to work even if it were for what the company was offering. The more militant workers wanted to continue the job action.....The union took the compnay to court. The judge ruled in the favor of the union. The judge's opinion was the company was not bargaining in good faith and forced the company to accept the union's terms.
Less than a week later, the company sold the plant to another baker which closed the plant. Instead of getting most of the wages they were making, they got nothing.
The company sold the assets of the plant to itself and transferred the Stella D'Oro work to a plant outside NY State.
The union in this case, simply over played it's hand at the expense of the workers. The union basically screwed its own members. The union moved on to fight other battles. The workers got unemployment.

Kaz is short for Kalamazoo, Michigan, my home town. I haven't lived there since I graduated high school, but it's where I grew up. Unions destroyed Michigan and the auto industry. Today Ford makes most of it's cars for sale in the US to Mexico to avoid the unions they are saddled with in US plants, and the foreign owned automakers went to right to work States in the south, like North Carolina, where I live now.

Well put, Spoon. and yeah, "brain," the unions created tons of jobs, didn't they? LOL. You need a brain

 

[Arianrhod]

OK, thanks hemorrhoid

You're better off treating them than talking to them.

 

[Brain357]

LOL, unions provided "opportunities?" That's classic

For good wages yes.

How did they do that? Unions don't hire anyone.

They make sure employees get good wages.

No..They don't....Unions coerce business with intimidation.
Do you think any business wants a union mucking up the labor market and forcing an employer into paying above market wages leaving that business to non competitive status?
I cite the Stella D'Oro bakery case featured in an HBO special.
The company was getting killed by other bakers paying market wages in other parts of the country.
Teh Stella D'Oro workers were instructed by the union to walk out. The company told the union that the strike would not change anything. Wage and benefit concessions had ot be made or the plant would close. The strike lingered for months. Workers living off strike benefits were struggling. Some interviewed in the special said they wanted to go back to work even if it were for what the company was offering. The more militant workers wanted to continue the job action.....The union took the compnay to court. The judge ruled in the favor of the union. The judge's opinion was the company was not bargaining in good faith and forced the company to accept the union's terms.
Less than a week later, the company sold the plant to another baker which closed the plant. Instead of getting most of the wages they were making, they got nothing.
The company sold the assets of the plant to itself and transferred the Stella D'Oro work to a plant outside NY State.
The union in this case, simply over played it's hand at the expense of the workers. The union basically screwed its own members. The union moved on to fight other battles. The workers got unemployment.

Kaz is short for Kalamazoo, Michigan, my home town. I haven't lived there since I graduated high school, but it's where I grew up. Unions destroyed Michigan and the auto industry. Today Ford makes most of it's cars for sale in the US to Mexico to avoid the unions they are saddled with in US plants, and the foreign owned automakers went to right to work States in the south, like North Carolina, where I live now.

Well put, Spoon. and yeah, "brain," the unions created tons of jobs, didn't they? LOL. You need a brain

No it was the car execs, not unions. The execs had them making cars people didn't want. Detroit was making gas guzzlers when people wanted efficient cars. Styling was aweful, they didn't catch up till recently in that department.

 

[Brain357]

That sounds real nice, but that was when we had strong unions and more opportunities. Now wages are stagnant.

LOL, unions provided "opportunities?" That's classic

For good wages yes.

No...Unions coerced and blackmailed businesses into paying wages far above the market rate.
Business will always do what it must to maintain profitability. Hence the reason why unions represent less than 7% of the private sector work force.

And wages are stagnant.

Yes, you destroyed the union industries like the automotive market. The only profitable US manufacturers are foreign manufacturers in right to work States not saddled with union costs. The idea that you will get rising wages in the long run out of companies you prevent from being profitable is, well, so you.

So a serious question. I am a business owner. I run a services company, most of my staff make well above average. I do have two low end employees though who are on welfare. Here's the thing, Holmes, they are low paid because they need to be managed closely. Their work needs to be checked far more than others. They will both do OK for a while then just for whatever reason turn their brains off and do completely dumb ass things you just look at and say WTF, how can anyone do such crap work?

They aren't worth to me what it would take for them to live without welfare. You force their wages higher, I will fire them both and hire better employees, which I could hire since you're forcing me to pay higher wages. They are both OK for what I pay them, though both when then fuck up badly enough get management question if we should fire them for what they earn now. Pay them more? No freaking way.

So what say you, brain? You want me to fire them? BTW, when I say serious question, the situation is real. I'm not going to actually fire them though based on the word of an Internet moron who knows zero of what he's talking about and is just spewing socialist rhetoric. But if the choice were up to you, what should I do? Pay them what I do and keep them or fire them and hire better employees worth a "living wage?"

Yes I know the rich have been making claims like that for a long time. Well every time min wage is increased it doesn't happen. So save your terrorism for somebody else, I'm not buying.

 

[bedowin62]

Don't wanna hire and pay workers a decent wage? STFU and do the work yourself. Problem solved.

Asshats don't get to determine what is a "decent wage" unless they own the company. See how that works?

Then do the work yourself. Otherwise, STFU and pay up. You can't have your slaves. Deal with it.

I never employed slaves and as I am retired, I have no need even for them. Sorry.

Ha, can't wait to see what all you Republican Walmart-Worshippers say when you're forced to hand some of that Corporate Welfare to the Waltons. Gonna be fun.

because there are no Walmart shoppers that aren't republican.

are you retarded??

Yeah, but it's you greedy Republican Walmart-Worshippers who are all for paying American Workers shite wages. So it's gonna be funny watching y'all be forced to bail the Waltons out with your tax dollars. Poetic Justice.

You like poetic justice?

On the advice of a now deceased friend I started buying Walmart stock in the early 1990s for my retirement fund at an average price of under $12/sh.
As part of my retirement strategy I sold it over the course of the past year at an average price over $78/sh.

My 5 adult children are now enjoying the fruit of my capitalist ways and smartly building their own houses of stone and brick.

Meanwhile you sit here banging out your frustrations at USMB as a world of opportunity passes you by.

Now that's my idea of poetic justice.

Don't worry, you'll bail the Waltons out at some point. Walmart is dying a slow painful death. The Waltons will demand their Taxpayer Bailout. You can bet on it. And we'll see what y'all worshippers say then.

But my guess is, you'll justify it somehow. Because we know y'all greedy white Republicans love Corporate Welfare. You only hate welfare that helps Americans who actually need the help.

It's funny how they claim to want small government, but then support all that corporate welfare. As if you could have both...

FUNNY HOW LEFT-WING LOSERS RANT ABOUT CORPORATE WELFARE, as if they even TRIED to end any of it in the four years Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress and the 2 of those years with the White House too.

idiots and hypocrites