Brain357
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Really? So having employers pay enough that employees aren't on welfare is big government? Decreasing welfare is big gov? People being able to support themselves and cut out gov aid is big gov? It's not comrade. That is how gov shrinks.
Washington DC dictating the national price of labor is "big gov't."
Most of America's largest employers have raised their starting wage well beyond the legal minimum without "big gov't" intervention and 21 states have mandated higher than the national minimum.
The people who do earn min wage are mostly very young (18-24) or very old ... basically without marketable skills.
This whole min wage issue is merely a ruse to increase the wages of those already making well above it ... union workers with a "min wage plus" contract.
The fact that the low skilled workers will lose their jobs (thus requiring "big gov't" support) seems to concern no one on the left (but you will be whining when those jobs are gone).
But having lots of people working full time jobs and still on welfare increases government dependence and hence the size of government. We need lots of jobs that provide enough for the employee that they are not on welfare. We need them to realize they don't need government. Sadly right now with too many poor paying jobs many people feel rightfully so that they need government.
While I would rather see something else done, min wage is one of the least bad options. Right now we collect taxes and let the gov dish out welfare. A higher min wage is much better where the money goes direct from employer to employee and the gov is cut out.
I think decreasing immigration would help also, but I don't think that is going to happen. Dems obviously don't want it, and I don't believe repubs want it either. Repubs talk about it but their corporate gods want the cheap labor.
Without some incentive all the jobs shipped away aren't going to come back and I don't hear either party with real incentive to do that. Repubs talk about things but most of those have no strings attached and we have seen they just funnel the money to the richest.
People working and earning a portion of their income is bigger government than them not working and living entirely on government checks. I can't get my head wrapped around that, bro
So you think big gov or bigger gov are the only option. You are not for small government comrade. We achieve that by employers providing for employees without help from the gov. You oppose that and hence are pro big gov.