Beto: The Abbott campaign are instructing their supporters not to come to my rallies because we've been finding so much common ground

[theHawk]

He wants to take away your weapons of war.

And give them to MS13 illegals and other criminal thugs. That’s the whole platform of Democrats. Disarm law abiding citizens and let armed maniacs destroy our cities.

 

[MagicMike]

Once again for the learning impaired, "WELL REGULATED" at the time that the Amendment was written, meant IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.

Nope
"Well regulated" means just what it says.

Not a bunch of whackos....people who can't even negotiate a simple 4 way stop in traffic....people whom I wouldn't even trust to take out my goddamned trash....running around the U.S.A. with completely UNREGULATED deadly firepower!

That is not the intent of the authors.

 

[MagicMike]

Get off whatever device you are using to connect to the internet and write your opinion using a quill and ink and send it by a guy on horse back to everyone, because none of that technology was around when the 1st Amendment was written. That's how stupid your argument on the 2nd sounds.

Apples and oranges you dolt!
A false equivalency.
Nice try though.

 

[MagicMike]

wrong well regulated in the 1700's meant that it worked properly.

Like militias with guns "working properly."
Agreed.
That little freak that shot up the kids in Uvalde this year was NOT "well regulated."
Don't you agree?

 

[MagicMike]

Once again for the learning impaired, "WELL REGULATED" at the time that the Amendment was written, meant IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.

So the right of the people to keep and bear arms in the context of a militia in good working order was the author's original intent.

We are in agreement then.

The current state of firearm possession in the U.S. currently is FAR from "good working order."

Wouldn't you agree?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Apples and oranges you dolt!
A false equivalency.
Nice try though.

No it's not. Your trying to claim that a Constitutional right does not apply to modern technology. If you loons are going to try that route your giving precedent to fucking over the 1st Amendment as well. You need to check yourself before calling others a dolt.

 

[westwall]

Nope
"Well regulated" means just what it says.

Not a bunch of whackos....people who can't even negotiate a simple 4 way stop in traffic....people whom I wouldn't even trust to take out my goddamned trash....running around the U.S.A. with completely UNREGULATED deadly firepower!

That is not the intent of the authors.

Then why do you find "well regulated" engraved on clocks of the era?

What laws governed their use?

 

[MagicMike]

Then why do you find "well regulated" engraved on clocks of the era?

What laws governed their use?

Are you suggesting that "well regulated" only applied to the condition of weaponry at the time?

If so then why didn't Madison say "A militia with well regulated firearms being necessary for the preservation of a free state?"

Instead he specifically stated that the bearers of the "arms".....the militia itself, should be "well regulated."

 

[westwall]

Are you suggesting that "well regulated" only applied to the condition of weaponry at the time?

If so then why didn't Madison say "A militia with well regulated firearms being necessary for the preservation of a free state?"

Instead he specifically stated that the bearers of the "arms".....the militia itself, should be "well regulated."

Well regulated meant in good working order no matter to what it was applied.

It had nothing to do with laws.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Nope
"Well regulated" means just what it says.

Not a bunch of whackos....people who can't even negotiate a simple 4 way stop in traffic....people whom I wouldn't even trust to take out my goddamned trash....running around the U.S.A. with completely UNREGULATED deadly firepower!

That is not the intent of the authors.

ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788


"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ."
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

​

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."


". the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights


"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; ."
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence . from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States


"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine


"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788


"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot


"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry
American Patriot


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States


"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that . it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; . "
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

​

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Are you suggesting that "well regulated" only applied to the condition of weaponry at the time?

If so then why didn't Madison say "A militia with well regulated firearms being necessary for the preservation of a free state?"

Instead he specifically stated that the bearers of the "arms".....the militia itself, should be "well regulated."

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933

​

 

[MagicMike]

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933

​

If you are a Trump apologist PLEASE don't act like you're afraid of Adolph Hitler.
Trump is the most Hitler-esque polotician the U.S. has ever seen!

 

[MagicMike]

ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788


"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ."
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

​

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."


". the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights


"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; ."
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence . from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States


"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside . Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine


"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788


"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot


"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry
American Patriot


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States


"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that . it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; . "
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

​

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8

So at the very least you should be thanking all the little school children in America like the ones who gave their lives in Uvalde Texas for YOUR right not to be inconvenienced by a little more oversight on firearm ownership.

That's what it all comes down to right?
Collateral damage?

Every new mass slaughter by some freak with a high-capacity firearm.
Oh-well....shit happens....right?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

If you are a Trump apologist PLEASE don't act like you're afraid of Adolph Hitler.
Trump is the most Hitler-esque polotician the U.S. has ever seen!

Now that was a real attempt at deflection. What the fuck does an ex-President have to do with the gun control argument ? Hitler was a great supporter of gun control.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

So at the very least you should be thanking all the little school children in America like the ones who gave their lives in Uvalde Texas for YOUR right not to be inconvenienced by a little more oversight on firearm ownership.

That's what it all comes down to right?
Collateral damage?

Every new mass slaughter by some freak with a high-capacity firearm.
Oh-well....shit happens....right?

Gun free zones are dangerous.

 

[westwall]

If you are a Trump apologist PLEASE don't act like you're afraid of Adolph Hitler.
Trump is the most Hitler-esque polotician the U.S. has ever seen!

Really?

You haven't read a single history book then.

 

[MagicMike]

Now that was a real attempt at deflection. What the fuck does an ex-President have to do with the gun control argument ? Hitler was a great supporter of gun control.

Speaking of deflection what does 1933 Germany have to do with U.S.A. 2022?
Perhaps you can pull up the statistics for mass slaughter by civilian firearms in Germany prior to 1933?

Or maybe you are trying to suggest that The Nazi Holocaust would not have occured if ONLY the German populace had been better armed?

Not sure where you are trying to go with your Hitler quotes?

Looks like another false equivalency though.

 

[westwall]

Speaking of deflection what does 1933 Germany have to do with U.S.A. 2022?
Perhaps you can pull up the statistics for mass slaughter by civilian firearms in Germany prior to 1933?

Or maybe you are trying to suggest that The Nazi Holocaust would not have occured if ONLY the German populace had been better armed?

Not sure where you are trying to go with your Hitler quotes?

Looks like another false equivalency though.

Before any population has been the victim of government mass murder they have first been disarmed.

IN EVERY CASE THROUGHOUT HISTORY.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Speaking of deflection what does 1933 Germany have to do with U.S.A. 2022?
Perhaps you can pull up the statistics for mass slaughter by civilian firearms in Germany prior to 1933?

Or maybe you are trying to suggest that The Nazi Holocaust would not have occured if ONLY the German populace had been better armed?

Not sure where you are trying to go with your Hitler quotes?

Looks like another false equivalency though.

It is a shining example of what a Government can do to unarmed citizens.

 

[OKTexas]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

It is pretty clear.
Even for a Texan.

There is, nor can there be, any government sanctioned, "official" religion in the U.S.A.

Also the govment cannot prohibit any "religion," no matter how whacky it may be.

Unless of course, that religious practice or "display" is infringing upon another's right to practice (or not practice) their own belief system.
In that case the (former) practice becomes illegal.

We are seeing this issue coming up in various communities across the U.S. with after school "satanic clubs."
Parents and communities are freaking out about it.
But school districts are in a bind...because once they have allowed one religious after school club (Christiam, Muslim, ect.) then they are bound by constitutional law to allow any other religion.

So as not to be respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof of any other religion.

It is quite the catch-22!

Here, allow me to educate your little illiterate commie self. Notice any difference in these definitions? The government establishing a religion and sanctioning a religion are two completely different things, yet you're stupid and use them interchangeably.

establish

ĭ-stăb′lĭsh

transitive verb​

1. To cause (an institution, for example) to come into existence or begin operating; found; set up.
2. To bring about; generate or effect.
3. To place or settle in a secure position or condition.

sanction

săngk′shən

noun​

1. Authoritative permission or approval that makes a course of action valid. synonym: permission.
2. Support or encouragement, as from public opinion or established custom.
3. A consideration, influence, or principle that dictates an ethical choice.

BTW, feel free to point out the word "separation" anywhere in the 1st amendment.

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