Biden = War in the Middle East

[Rigby5]

Wasn't Jarod supposed to fix this issue?

What happened?

Joe Biden happened! Duh?

So, Biden was the negotiator for ME "peace" plan?

No, Joe Biden is the "enabler" of Iran...the number one sponsor of world terror! Biden flushed all the good work of Jared Kushner right down the toilet with his Middle East foreign policy. We're right back to the failed policies of the Obama years.

Jared accomplished NOTHING.. and you know nothing about the ME or US foreign policy. The objective in Iran is to get them to rejoin the interational community as good citizens.

Trump couldn't negotiate out of a wet paper bag..

He gave Israel everything and got NOTHING in return. He wanted them to like him an praise him.. Same with Putin. Trump isn't a Russian agent.. That's laughable. Trump isnt smmart enough and can't keep his mouth shut.. He just wants Putin approval judging by his groveling letters to Putin in the past.

attn. cyberbuddies. surada is an EXPERT on the middle east-----she has been EXPOSED
to the same islamo nazi bullshit to which I was exposed from childhood to old age, starting
with published propaganda written by escaped nazi war criminals---moving on to young
muslims in the USA and now---DA NET. She is an asset here----you can derive the FULL LINE
OF BULLSHIT so easily

What Nazi war criminals? They didn't go to the Midle East.

You have nothing but personal attacks, do you rosie?

sheeeesh you are pretending not to know-----you liked them so much? They are
the guys who elaborated lots of the bullshit you spew and that which is spewed in
mosques. --------uhm.......some of your bestest friends?

Oh don't be silly.
When Nazis mean "anti-Arab" when they say "anti-Semitic", so the last place any Nazis would hide out is in the Mideast.
Nazis are racist, and Arabs are not white to them.
(But Jews are considered white by Nazis, by the way.)

I see you haven't read Mein Kampf...I have.
Truth be told, you've never read anything in your pathetic but Arab web-sites.

Wrong.
The book "Mein Kampf" does not refer to hatred of Jews, but of how Jews have their main allegiance to something other than Germany, even if German citizens.
And that is a fact in the case of some Jews because they openly admit they are Zionists.
And all Zionists are essentially admitting they are traitors.
They put some mythical racist and elite Jewish paradise above earthly law or justice.
You can not argue against the fact that Zionism really is inherently criminal and treason.

 

[Rigby5]

Poor, needy JoeB...You are fully aware that The NT is sending you to the Eternal Lake of Fire.
But, then again, you never read it, did you?

Did you know Hebrew has no word for love?
The word means to give.
When you show Brown people your concern, don't love them, give to them.

Yes, the NT felt that just blaming God for all the natural catastrophes like the OT did wasn't going to fly with people who could actually read. So they needed to up the ante to keep the money flowing.

Christians are idiots
Jews are idiots
Muslims are idiots.

Anyone who thinks there's a magic fairy in the sky is an idiot.

Muslims are the least of the idiots.
Unlike the greed and fear of the Old and New Testaments, Islam has a much greater purpose.
Since government could not be trusted back then, Islam was the second attempt at putting government institutions into religion, so they would be permanent.
The Ancient Egyptians started that idea.
They gave the priesthood control over granaries, seed storage, food production, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.
Islam did even more of the same.
Instead of the corrupt government getting taxes, the more trustworthy priests in the Mosques got the weekly tithing.
This allowed the priests to take care of gran storage, widows and orphans, etc., and is the whole start of the social welfare system we understand we need these days.

I am not saying religion is the best way to conduct social services or that we need it any more, but considering the corrupt governments of ancient times, it was revolutionary and incredibly humane. It was the whole origin of the idea of individuals having value and rights in a growing impersonalized urban life. It was the start of civilization. Instead of just 10 commandments, the Quran covers almost every practical problem and choice that is likely to come up, and it always stresses that "God is merciful" or "God is forgiving", so it always stresses the least violent solution to any problem. The only problem with the Quran is that it was advice for a war time society, so it is way too strict for me.

With all due respect, Rigby...the "priests" in this discussion are the Mullahs and they aren't spending money on "grain" they're spending it on terror!

For God's sake Bibi has been threatening Iran since 1996.

Oh gee----poor ayatoilets. I missed the "bibi" threats-----what did "bibi" say to the
ayatoilet that galvanized his murderous machinations in Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon,
Yemen------and----well ---even Teheran. For those interested----talk to people who
have fled Iran------since the 1960s -----Interestingly the 1960s sorta precedes the
ayatoilets-----but the fact is that the INFLOW into the USA was created by the stench of islamization in the air-----detected by the relatively sophisticated people of Teheran

I am not that familiar with Iran, but isn't it more likely the emigration from Iran has more to do with the illegal economic sanctions?

 

[irosie91]

Poor, needy JoeB...You are fully aware that The NT is sending you to the Eternal Lake of Fire.
But, then again, you never read it, did you?

Did you know Hebrew has no word for love?
The word means to give.
When you show Brown people your concern, don't love them, give to them.

Yes, the NT felt that just blaming God for all the natural catastrophes like the OT did wasn't going to fly with people who could actually read. So they needed to up the ante to keep the money flowing.

Christians are idiots
Jews are idiots
Muslims are idiots.

Anyone who thinks there's a magic fairy in the sky is an idiot.

Muslims are the least of the idiots.
Unlike the greed and fear of the Old and New Testaments, Islam has a much greater purpose.
Since government could not be trusted back then, Islam was the second attempt at putting government institutions into religion, so they would be permanent.
The Ancient Egyptians started that idea.
They gave the priesthood control over granaries, seed storage, food production, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.
Islam did even more of the same.
Instead of the corrupt government getting taxes, the more trustworthy priests in the Mosques got the weekly tithing.
This allowed the priests to take care of gran storage, widows and orphans, etc., and is the whole start of the social welfare system we understand we need these days.

I am not saying religion is the best way to conduct social services or that we need it any more, but considering the corrupt governments of ancient times, it was revolutionary and incredibly humane. It was the whole origin of the idea of individuals having value and rights in a growing impersonalized urban life. It was the start of civilization. Instead of just 10 commandments, the Quran covers almost every practical problem and choice that is likely to come up, and it always stresses that "God is merciful" or "God is forgiving", so it always stresses the least violent solution to any problem. The only problem with the Quran is that it was advice for a war time society, so it is way too strict for me.

With all due respect, Rigby...the "priests" in this discussion are the Mullahs and they aren't spending money on "grain" they're spending it on terror!

For God's sake Bibi has been threatening Iran since 1996.

Oh gee----poor ayatoilets. I missed the "bibi" threats-----what did "bibi" say to the
ayatoilet that galvanized his murderous machinations in Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon,
Yemen------and----well ---even Teheran. For those interested----talk to people who
have fled Iran------since the 1960s -----Interestingly the 1960s sorta precedes the
ayatoilets-----but the fact is that the INFLOW into the USA was created by the stench of islamization in the air-----detected by the relatively sophisticated people of Teheran

Every quarter Bibi threatened to bomb Iran.. and he would often claim the Saudis had given him permission to use their airspace which was a huge lie.. But Israel is a thousand miles from Iran and they couldn't pull off a bombing wthout mid air refueling or crossing Saudi Arabia or Iraq. NOBODY including Syria would let them cross their airspace..

you have a citation? I have read of some sort of agreements of use of airspace in case
of war------but not a single "WE INTEND TO BOMB IRAN"-------the ayatoilets have been
running their popularity contests on the "LETS KILL THE JEWS----ALLAHUAKBAR" ticket since even before 1979. In fact they gained their fan-base by murdering jews in Teheran

 

[Rigby5]

Ilhan Omar Justified Attacks on Israel and Condemned Defenses Against Them

You might think that America's politicians would be supportive to Israelis, given the situation. Some have been. But when it comes to the progressive left, the messaging has been astonishing.

www.google.com

Opinion | Hamas Tests Israel—and Biden

Iran’s Palestinian ally reignites its conflict with the Jewish state.

www.google.com

Terrorists didn’t attack Israel under Trump, who is banned on Twitter but Omar and the leader of Hamas are not banned. If terrorists are emboldened to attack Israel then what stops them from attacking us next. They see Biden as a weak ass President by just seeing the crisis at the border, him stating America is systematically racist and of course now attack on our allies.

Trump killed terrorist leaders, Biden emboldens them.

Elections have consequences.

Truth over Facts

Trump's actions in the Middle East helped to set up the attack by Hamas. He was as one-sided as he could be to get the Jewish vote, beginning with the embassy transfer, elimination of financial aid,
and totally ignoring the Palestinians as a part of the process. This attack is a perfect example of unintended consequences. and predictable since Trump never looks at the big picture.

Trump's actions in the Middle East brought peace to the region. Biden's actions have resulted in a resumption of violence because the Palestinians know he won't cut off their aid if they misbehave like Trump would have. What did you think was going to happen when you give Iran billions of dollars? Oh wait...you're as naive as Joe...you thought they'd spend it on something OTHER than terrorism? Aren't you special! (eye roll)

First of all, the Palestinians did NOT "misbehave" like you claim, since the rockets had to be fired in retaliation for the Zionist attacks and murders on the Temple Mount and home confiscations.
Second is that we only give the Palestinians $200 million a year, not even enough to cover the cost of garbage collection, compared to the $5 billion we give Israel annually. And that $200 million is required by treaties going back to Reagan, Carter, Bush and Clinton.
You have to give it by US law.
It is not optional.

I believe Trump was referring to the 370 million we give to the UN fund that provides assistance to Palestinian "refugees". THAT is totally optional.

And how does that compare with 5 billion a year for 8 million Jews?

Israel is our ally in the Middle East. Palestine is not. Duh?

WRONG!

Israel is NOT our ally in any way, and has illegally spied on the US, illegally influenced US elections, and murdered at least 35 US sailors in the USS Liberty.
They have not once allowed us to use any bases in Israel.

Palestine on the other hand IS our ally, and fought with us in both WWI and WWII.
We are bound by several treaties to defend and support Palestine, but Israel has no legal claim over the US.

 

[Rigby5]

Ilhan Omar Justified Attacks on Israel and Condemned Defenses Against Them

You might think that America's politicians would be supportive to Israelis, given the situation. Some have been. But when it comes to the progressive left, the messaging has been astonishing.

www.google.com

Opinion | Hamas Tests Israel—and Biden

Iran’s Palestinian ally reignites its conflict with the Jewish state.

www.google.com

Terrorists didn’t attack Israel under Trump, who is banned on Twitter but Omar and the leader of Hamas are not banned. If terrorists are emboldened to attack Israel then what stops them from attacking us next. They see Biden as a weak ass President by just seeing the crisis at the border, him stating America is systematically racist and of course now attack on our allies.

Trump killed terrorist leaders, Biden emboldens them.

Elections have consequences.

Truth over Facts

Trump's actions in the Middle East helped to set up the attack by Hamas. He was as one-sided as he could be to get the Jewish vote, beginning with the embassy transfer, elimination of financial aid,
and totally ignoring the Palestinians as a part of the process. This attack is a perfect example of unintended consequences. and predictable since Trump never looks at the big picture.

Trump's actions in the Middle East brought peace to the region. Biden's actions have resulted in a resumption of violence because the Palestinians know he won't cut off their aid if they misbehave like Trump would have. What did you think was going to happen when you give Iran billions of dollars? Oh wait...you're as naive as Joe...you thought they'd spend it on something OTHER than terrorism? Aren't you special! (eye roll)

First of all, the Palestinians did NOT "misbehave" like you claim, since the rockets had to be fired in retaliation for the Zionist attacks and murders on the Temple Mount and home confiscations.
Second is that we only give the Palestinians $200 million a year, not even enough to cover the cost of garbage collection, compared to the $5 billion we give Israel annually. And that $200 million is required by treaties going back to Reagan, Carter, Bush and Clinton.
You have to give it by US law.
It is not optional.

You fire thousands of rockets over a small disturbance at the Temple Mount and a handful of home confiscations that have been in dispute for decades? Who does that? Yet you claim the Palestinians HAD to fire them? That's a crock. They fired them because they wanted to fire them and were looking for an excuse to do so.

There is no dispute.
The Israelis have no jurisdiction and there are no legal claims involved.
Israel simply have systematically been stealing millions of Arab homes for over 70 years, and since they can't just murder the Arabs like they used to, they now are using kangaroo courts as a smoke screen.

It was not a small disturbance at the Temple Mount, there was an attempt at intimidation through murder, at the most sacred and important place to all Palestinians.
And by the way, no one has any clue in the least where either Temple of Solomon may ever have been, but very unlikely anywhere near the Temple Mount.

The Israelis can have peace any time, just by following the law, get out of Palestinian territory, and return all the homes stolen from Moslems inside Israel.
(There are more than 1 million Moslem homes stolen inside Israel.)

It is ONLY Israel that is in violation of the law and constantly committing crimes.

You think Israel can have peace by giving things to Moslems? How has that worked out in the past, Rigby?

Who said Israel should "give" anything?
All the world wants is for Israel to stop murdering and taking things.

You can't have any rule of law when you ignore Israel constantly violating the basic rules of law.

 

[irosie91]

Wasn't Jarod supposed to fix this issue?

What happened?

Joe Biden happened! Duh?

So, Biden was the negotiator for ME "peace" plan?

No, Joe Biden is the "enabler" of Iran...the number one sponsor of world terror! Biden flushed all the good work of Jared Kushner right down the toilet with his Middle East foreign policy. We're right back to the failed policies of the Obama years.

Jared accomplished NOTHING.. and you know nothing about the ME or US foreign policy. The objective in Iran is to get them to rejoin the interational community as good citizens.

Trump couldn't negotiate out of a wet paper bag..

He gave Israel everything and got NOTHING in return. He wanted them to like him an praise him.. Same with Putin. Trump isn't a Russian agent.. That's laughable. Trump isnt smmart enough and can't keep his mouth shut.. He just wants Putin approval judging by his groveling letters to Putin in the past.

attn. cyberbuddies. surada is an EXPERT on the middle east-----she has been EXPOSED
to the same islamo nazi bullshit to which I was exposed from childhood to old age, starting
with published propaganda written by escaped nazi war criminals---moving on to young
muslims in the USA and now---DA NET. She is an asset here----you can derive the FULL LINE
OF BULLSHIT so easily

What Nazi war criminals? They didn't go to the Midle East.

You have nothing but personal attacks, do you rosie?

sheeeesh you are pretending not to know-----you liked them so much? They are
the guys who elaborated lots of the bullshit you spew and that which is spewed in
mosques. --------uhm.......some of your bestest friends?

Oh don't be silly.
When Nazis mean "anti-Arab" when they say "anti-Semitic", so the last place any Nazis would hide out is in the Mideast.
Nazis are racist, and Arabs are not white to them.
(But Jews are considered white by Nazis, by the way.)

I see you haven't read Mein Kampf...I have.
Truth be told, you've never read anything in your pathetic but Arab web-sites.

Wrong.
The book "Mein Kampf" does not refer to hatred of Jews, but of how Jews have their main allegiance to something other than Germany, even if German citizens.
And that is a fact in the case of some Jews because they openly admit they are Zionists.
And all Zionists are essentially admitting they are traitors.
They put some mythical racist and elite Jewish paradise above earthly law or justice.
You can not argue against the fact that Zionism really is inherently criminal and treason.

you and surada should read it again------copies are easily obtained in any store that
sells korans----or you can borrow from your local mosque

 

[Oldestyle]

Poor, needy JoeB...You are fully aware that The NT is sending you to the Eternal Lake of Fire.
But, then again, you never read it, did you?

Did you know Hebrew has no word for love?
The word means to give.
When you show Brown people your concern, don't love them, give to them.

Yes, the NT felt that just blaming God for all the natural catastrophes like the OT did wasn't going to fly with people who could actually read. So they needed to up the ante to keep the money flowing.

Christians are idiots
Jews are idiots
Muslims are idiots.

Anyone who thinks there's a magic fairy in the sky is an idiot.

Muslims are the least of the idiots.
Unlike the greed and fear of the Old and New Testaments, Islam has a much greater purpose.
Since government could not be trusted back then, Islam was the second attempt at putting government institutions into religion, so they would be permanent.
The Ancient Egyptians started that idea.
They gave the priesthood control over granaries, seed storage, food production, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.
Islam did even more of the same.
Instead of the corrupt government getting taxes, the more trustworthy priests in the Mosques got the weekly tithing.
This allowed the priests to take care of gran storage, widows and orphans, etc., and is the whole start of the social welfare system we understand we need these days.

I am not saying religion is the best way to conduct social services or that we need it any more, but considering the corrupt governments of ancient times, it was revolutionary and incredibly humane. It was the whole origin of the idea of individuals having value and rights in a growing impersonalized urban life. It was the start of civilization. Instead of just 10 commandments, the Quran covers almost every practical problem and choice that is likely to come up, and it always stresses that "God is merciful" or "God is forgiving", so it always stresses the least violent solution to any problem. The only problem with the Quran is that it was advice for a war time society, so it is way too strict for me.

With all due respect, Rigby...the "priests" in this discussion are the Mullahs and they aren't spending money on "grain" they're spending it on terror!

I disagree.
There has never been a case of Moslem conducting aggressive terror in all of history, that I am aware of.
Do imperialist countries deserve having planes hijacked?
Yes of course they do.
Look at what Truman did to the Palestinians, in total violation of international law and 2 treaties of the WWI allies.
Look at the US lies about WMD in Iraq.
The invasion of Afghanistan was also completely illegal, immoral, and murder.
We were criminal in our actions against Qaddafi, Mosei, Assad, Saddam, etc.
Out Mideast murder toll in the last 20 years is well over a million innocent people.

you could write the Khutbah Jumaats that have galvanized the murder of hundreds
of millions and COUNTING

Wrong.
Muslims do not murder.
Unlike Judaism, murder or anyone is against their religion.
Judaism exalts and rewards murder, like the massacre of Canaanite women and children by Joshua at Jericho.

Muslims don't murder? The sheer stupidity of that comment is breathtaking!

 

[Oldestyle]

Ilhan Omar Justified Attacks on Israel and Condemned Defenses Against Them

You might think that America's politicians would be supportive to Israelis, given the situation. Some have been. But when it comes to the progressive left, the messaging has been astonishing.

www.google.com

Opinion | Hamas Tests Israel—and Biden

Iran’s Palestinian ally reignites its conflict with the Jewish state.

www.google.com

Terrorists didn’t attack Israel under Trump, who is banned on Twitter but Omar and the leader of Hamas are not banned. If terrorists are emboldened to attack Israel then what stops them from attacking us next. They see Biden as a weak ass President by just seeing the crisis at the border, him stating America is systematically racist and of course now attack on our allies.

Trump killed terrorist leaders, Biden emboldens them.

Elections have consequences.

Truth over Facts

Trump's actions in the Middle East helped to set up the attack by Hamas. He was as one-sided as he could be to get the Jewish vote, beginning with the embassy transfer, elimination of financial aid,
and totally ignoring the Palestinians as a part of the process. This attack is a perfect example of unintended consequences. and predictable since Trump never looks at the big picture.

Trump's actions in the Middle East brought peace to the region. Biden's actions have resulted in a resumption of violence because the Palestinians know he won't cut off their aid if they misbehave like Trump would have. What did you think was going to happen when you give Iran billions of dollars? Oh wait...you're as naive as Joe...you thought they'd spend it on something OTHER than terrorism? Aren't you special! (eye roll)

First of all, the Palestinians did NOT "misbehave" like you claim, since the rockets had to be fired in retaliation for the Zionist attacks and murders on the Temple Mount and home confiscations.
Second is that we only give the Palestinians $200 million a year, not even enough to cover the cost of garbage collection, compared to the $5 billion we give Israel annually. And that $200 million is required by treaties going back to Reagan, Carter, Bush and Clinton.
You have to give it by US law.
It is not optional.

You fire thousands of rockets over a small disturbance at the Temple Mount and a handful of home confiscations that have been in dispute for decades? Who does that? Yet you claim the Palestinians HAD to fire them? That's a crock. They fired them because they wanted to fire them and were looking for an excuse to do so.

Israel needed to provoke violence to justify their latest land grab. Nothing has changed in 70 years.

Justify it to whom?

Israel exist entirely due to its PR campaign.
First the Zionists played off the Holocaust, ignoring the fact Zionist Jews were at fault for being traitors in WWI.
Now Israel is lying and pretending to be victims of the unarmed Palestinians, when in reality the Zionists are the only perpetraitors.
And yet we still give Israel over $5 billion a year.

Zionist Jews were at fault for the Holocaust? Oh my god...you might very well be the most uneducated buffoon ever to post on this board! I'm dying to see how many of the liberal chorus here run for cover when you reveal yourself like this!

 

[irosie91]

Poor, needy JoeB...You are fully aware that The NT is sending you to the Eternal Lake of Fire.
But, then again, you never read it, did you?

Did you know Hebrew has no word for love?
The word means to give.
When you show Brown people your concern, don't love them, give to them.

Yes, the NT felt that just blaming God for all the natural catastrophes like the OT did wasn't going to fly with people who could actually read. So they needed to up the ante to keep the money flowing.

Christians are idiots
Jews are idiots
Muslims are idiots.

Anyone who thinks there's a magic fairy in the sky is an idiot.

Muslims are the least of the idiots.
Unlike the greed and fear of the Old and New Testaments, Islam has a much greater purpose.
Since government could not be trusted back then, Islam was the second attempt at putting government institutions into religion, so they would be permanent.
The Ancient Egyptians started that idea.
They gave the priesthood control over granaries, seed storage, food production, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.
Islam did even more of the same.
Instead of the corrupt government getting taxes, the more trustworthy priests in the Mosques got the weekly tithing.
This allowed the priests to take care of gran storage, widows and orphans, etc., and is the whole start of the social welfare system we understand we need these days.

I am not saying religion is the best way to conduct social services or that we need it any more, but considering the corrupt governments of ancient times, it was revolutionary and incredibly humane. It was the whole origin of the idea of individuals having value and rights in a growing impersonalized urban life. It was the start of civilization. Instead of just 10 commandments, the Quran covers almost every practical problem and choice that is likely to come up, and it always stresses that "God is merciful" or "God is forgiving", so it always stresses the least violent solution to any problem. The only problem with the Quran is that it was advice for a war time society, so it is way too strict for me.

With all due respect, Rigby...the "priests" in this discussion are the Mullahs and they aren't spending money on "grain" they're spending it on terror!

For God's sake Bibi has been threatening Iran since 1996.

Oh gee----poor ayatoilets. I missed the "bibi" threats-----what did "bibi" say to the
ayatoilet that galvanized his murderous machinations in Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon,
Yemen------and----well ---even Teheran. For those interested----talk to people who
have fled Iran------since the 1960s -----Interestingly the 1960s sorta precedes the
ayatoilets-----but the fact is that the INFLOW into the USA was created by the stench of islamization in the air-----detected by the relatively sophisticated people of Teheran

I am not that familiar with Iran, but isn't it more likely the emigration from Iran has more to do with the illegal economic sanctions?

emigration from Iran became VERY ACTIVE in the early 1960s----when most jews and lots of
educated muslims began to RUN. It was at that time that I came to work with and socialize
with Iranian medical school graduates.-------who could, generally read and write. The emigration
was-----most definitely a reaction to CREEPING ISLAMIZATION ( I got that from the muslims who were very unhappy with "THE FANATICS") What economic sanctions?, When did "bibi"
threaten to ANNHILATE Iran? Every person I know who speaks Farsi admits that ---getting
Israel wiped off the map has been a battle cry in Iran since BEFORE 1979 amongst the
RELIGIOUS leaders-------to whom most did not pay attention BACK IN THE DAY

 

[surada]

Poor, needy JoeB...You are fully aware that The NT is sending you to the Eternal Lake of Fire.
But, then again, you never read it, did you?

Did you know Hebrew has no word for love?
The word means to give.
When you show Brown people your concern, don't love them, give to them.

Yes, the NT felt that just blaming God for all the natural catastrophes like the OT did wasn't going to fly with people who could actually read. So they needed to up the ante to keep the money flowing.

Christians are idiots
Jews are idiots
Muslims are idiots.

Anyone who thinks there's a magic fairy in the sky is an idiot.

Muslims are the least of the idiots.
Unlike the greed and fear of the Old and New Testaments, Islam has a much greater purpose.
Since government could not be trusted back then, Islam was the second attempt at putting government institutions into religion, so they would be permanent.
The Ancient Egyptians started that idea.
They gave the priesthood control over granaries, seed storage, food production, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.
Islam did even more of the same.
Instead of the corrupt government getting taxes, the more trustworthy priests in the Mosques got the weekly tithing.
This allowed the priests to take care of gran storage, widows and orphans, etc., and is the whole start of the social welfare system we understand we need these days.

I am not saying religion is the best way to conduct social services or that we need it any more, but considering the corrupt governments of ancient times, it was revolutionary and incredibly humane. It was the whole origin of the idea of individuals having value and rights in a growing impersonalized urban life. It was the start of civilization. Instead of just 10 commandments, the Quran covers almost every practical problem and choice that is likely to come up, and it always stresses that "God is merciful" or "God is forgiving", so it always stresses the least violent solution to any problem. The only problem with the Quran is that it was advice for a war time society, so it is way too strict for me.

With all due respect, Rigby...the "priests" in this discussion are the Mullahs and they aren't spending money on "grain" they're spending it on terror!

For God's sake Bibi has been threatening Iran since 1996.

Oh gee----poor ayatoilets. I missed the "bibi" threats-----what did "bibi" say to the
ayatoilet that galvanized his murderous machinations in Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon,
Yemen------and----well ---even Teheran. For those interested----talk to people who
have fled Iran------since the 1960s -----Interestingly the 1960s sorta precedes the
ayatoilets-----but the fact is that the INFLOW into the USA was created by the stench of islamization in the air-----detected by the relatively sophisticated people of Teheran

I am not that familiar with Iran, but isn't it more likely the emigration from Iran has more to do with the illegal economic sanctions?

emigration from Iran became VERY ACTIVE in the early 1960s----when most jews and lots of
educated muslims began to RUN. It was at that time that I came to work with and socialize
with Iranian medical school graduates.-------who could, generally read and write. The emigration
was-----most definitely a reaction to CREEPING ISLAMIZATION ( I got that from the muslims who were very unhappy with "THE FANATICS") What economic sanctions?, When did "bibi"
threaten to ANNHILATE Iran? Every person I know who speaks Farsi admits that ---getting
Israel wiped off the map has been a battle cry in Iran since BEFORE 1979 amongst the
RELIGIOUS leaders-------to whom most did not pay attention BACK IN THE DAY

Israel bought all its oil from Iran until 1979.

 

[irosie91]

Poor, needy JoeB...You are fully aware that The NT is sending you to the Eternal Lake of Fire.
But, then again, you never read it, did you?

Did you know Hebrew has no word for love?
The word means to give.
When you show Brown people your concern, don't love them, give to them.

Yes, the NT felt that just blaming God for all the natural catastrophes like the OT did wasn't going to fly with people who could actually read. So they needed to up the ante to keep the money flowing.

Christians are idiots
Jews are idiots
Muslims are idiots.

Anyone who thinks there's a magic fairy in the sky is an idiot.

Muslims are the least of the idiots.
Unlike the greed and fear of the Old and New Testaments, Islam has a much greater purpose.
Since government could not be trusted back then, Islam was the second attempt at putting government institutions into religion, so they would be permanent.
The Ancient Egyptians started that idea.
They gave the priesthood control over granaries, seed storage, food production, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.
Islam did even more of the same.
Instead of the corrupt government getting taxes, the more trustworthy priests in the Mosques got the weekly tithing.
This allowed the priests to take care of gran storage, widows and orphans, etc., and is the whole start of the social welfare system we understand we need these days.

I am not saying religion is the best way to conduct social services or that we need it any more, but considering the corrupt governments of ancient times, it was revolutionary and incredibly humane. It was the whole origin of the idea of individuals having value and rights in a growing impersonalized urban life. It was the start of civilization. Instead of just 10 commandments, the Quran covers almost every practical problem and choice that is likely to come up, and it always stresses that "God is merciful" or "God is forgiving", so it always stresses the least violent solution to any problem. The only problem with the Quran is that it was advice for a war time society, so it is way too strict for me.

With all due respect, Rigby...the "priests" in this discussion are the Mullahs and they aren't spending money on "grain" they're spending it on terror!

I disagree.
There has never been a case of Moslem conducting aggressive terror in all of history, that I am aware of.
Do imperialist countries deserve having planes hijacked?
Yes of course they do.
Look at what Truman did to the Palestinians, in total violation of international law and 2 treaties of the WWI allies.
Look at the US lies about WMD in Iraq.
The invasion of Afghanistan was also completely illegal, immoral, and murder.
We were criminal in our actions against Qaddafi, Mosei, Assad, Saddam, etc.
Out Mideast murder toll in the last 20 years is well over a million innocent people.

you could write the Khutbah Jumaats that have galvanized the murder of hundreds
of millions and COUNTING

Wrong.
Muslims do not murder.
Unlike Judaism, murder or anyone is against their religion.
Judaism exalts and rewards murder, like the massacre of Canaanite women and children by Joshua at Jericho.

Muslims don't murder? The sheer stupidity of that comment is breathtaking!

"MURDER" is a crime. In the muzzie mind-----the only crime in killing a person exists
if a non-muzzie violates muzzie "standards" ------like refusing to convert to muzziness,
The killing of such a person is not a crime. The raping of a non-muzzie female is not a
crime either. The PROTECTED STATUS of jews and christians means that if a muzzie
kills one-----he MIGHT be forced to pay a small fine. ----very small, to the family of
the victim. But only if the non muslim is "PROTECTED" by paying Jizya. In court---
one can always find a way out------because the muzzie can accuse the non muzzie of a
big crime------like touching a muzzie or calling the rapist pig----a pig. As far as I
know-----hindus do not have the honor of being able to attain PROTECTED
(dhimmi) status.

 

[irosie91]

Poor, needy JoeB...You are fully aware that The NT is sending you to the Eternal Lake of Fire.
But, then again, you never read it, did you?

Did you know Hebrew has no word for love?
The word means to give.
When you show Brown people your concern, don't love them, give to them.

Yes, the NT felt that just blaming God for all the natural catastrophes like the OT did wasn't going to fly with people who could actually read. So they needed to up the ante to keep the money flowing.

Christians are idiots
Jews are idiots
Muslims are idiots.

Anyone who thinks there's a magic fairy in the sky is an idiot.

Muslims are the least of the idiots.
Unlike the greed and fear of the Old and New Testaments, Islam has a much greater purpose.
Since government could not be trusted back then, Islam was the second attempt at putting government institutions into religion, so they would be permanent.
The Ancient Egyptians started that idea.
They gave the priesthood control over granaries, seed storage, food production, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.
Islam did even more of the same.
Instead of the corrupt government getting taxes, the more trustworthy priests in the Mosques got the weekly tithing.
This allowed the priests to take care of gran storage, widows and orphans, etc., and is the whole start of the social welfare system we understand we need these days.

I am not saying religion is the best way to conduct social services or that we need it any more, but considering the corrupt governments of ancient times, it was revolutionary and incredibly humane. It was the whole origin of the idea of individuals having value and rights in a growing impersonalized urban life. It was the start of civilization. Instead of just 10 commandments, the Quran covers almost every practical problem and choice that is likely to come up, and it always stresses that "God is merciful" or "God is forgiving", so it always stresses the least violent solution to any problem. The only problem with the Quran is that it was advice for a war time society, so it is way too strict for me.

With all due respect, Rigby...the "priests" in this discussion are the Mullahs and they aren't spending money on "grain" they're spending it on terror!

For God's sake Bibi has been threatening Iran since 1996.

Oh gee----poor ayatoilets. I missed the "bibi" threats-----what did "bibi" say to the
ayatoilet that galvanized his murderous machinations in Syria, Afghanistan, Lebanon,
Yemen------and----well ---even Teheran. For those interested----talk to people who
have fled Iran------since the 1960s -----Interestingly the 1960s sorta precedes the
ayatoilets-----but the fact is that the INFLOW into the USA was created by the stench of islamization in the air-----detected by the relatively sophisticated people of Teheran

I am not that familiar with Iran, but isn't it more likely the emigration from Iran has more to do with the illegal economic sanctions?

emigration from Iran became VERY ACTIVE in the early 1960s----when most jews and lots of
educated muslims began to RUN. It was at that time that I came to work with and socialize
with Iranian medical school graduates.-------who could, generally read and write. The emigration
was-----most definitely a reaction to CREEPING ISLAMIZATION ( I got that from the muslims who were very unhappy with "THE FANATICS") What economic sanctions?, When did "bibi"
threaten to ANNHILATE Iran? Every person I know who speaks Farsi admits that ---getting
Israel wiped off the map has been a battle cry in Iran since BEFORE 1979 amongst the
RELIGIOUS leaders-------to whom most did not pay attention BACK IN THE DAY

Israel bought all its oil from Iran until 1979.

So? are you suggesting that Iranians had to FLEE Iran because
Israelis were no longer buying Iranian Oil?

 

[irosie91]

for surada------BACK IN THE DAY-----1960s ----muzzie Iranians I knew in the USA
flew "HOME" using EL AL

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Ilhan Omar Justified Attacks on Israel and Condemned Defenses Against Them

You might think that America's politicians would be supportive to Israelis, given the situation. Some have been. But when it comes to the progressive left, the messaging has been astonishing.

www.google.com

Opinion | Hamas Tests Israel—and Biden

Iran’s Palestinian ally reignites its conflict with the Jewish state.

www.google.com

Terrorists didn’t attack Israel under Trump, who is banned on Twitter but Omar and the leader of Hamas are not banned. If terrorists are emboldened to attack Israel then what stops them from attacking us next. They see Biden as a weak ass President by just seeing the crisis at the border, him stating America is systematically racist and of course now attack on our allies.

Trump killed terrorist leaders, Biden emboldens them.

Elections have consequences.

Truth over Facts

Trump's actions in the Middle East helped to set up the attack by Hamas. He was as one-sided as he could be to get the Jewish vote, beginning with the embassy transfer, elimination of financial aid,
and totally ignoring the Palestinians as a part of the process. This attack is a perfect example of unintended consequences. and predictable since Trump never looks at the big picture.

Trump's actions in the Middle East brought peace to the region. Biden's actions have resulted in a resumption of violence because the Palestinians know he won't cut off their aid if they misbehave like Trump would have. What did you think was going to happen when you give Iran billions of dollars? Oh wait...you're as naive as Joe...you thought they'd spend it on something OTHER than terrorism? Aren't you special! (eye roll)

First of all, the Palestinians did NOT "misbehave" like you claim, since the rockets had to be fired in retaliation for the Zionist attacks and murders on the Temple Mount and home confiscations.
Second is that we only give the Palestinians $200 million a year, not even enough to cover the cost of garbage collection, compared to the $5 billion we give Israel annually. And that $200 million is required by treaties going back to Reagan, Carter, Bush and Clinton.
You have to give it by US law.
It is not optional.

I believe Trump was referring to the 370 million we give to the UN fund that provides assistance to Palestinian "refugees". THAT is totally optional.

Good point. I do not know what aid Trump cut.
But clearly it has to be wrong to give $5 billion a year to Israel for weapons and nothing to Palestinian natives who need and deserve out assistance now that we have allowed their enemies to surround and enslave them.

I am going to have you banned. I have told you repeatedly it is not aid but a military contract.

Wrong.
Funding is fungible.
It is aid, and even though it means they will be buying US made weapons with it, it is still coming from US taxpayer dollars, and is fungible.
Meaning that every dollar Israel gets from the US for the purchase of weapons, the more Israeli tax dollars can be spent on luxuries.
It is actually worse than that even, because the US also guarantees even larger amounts in interest free loans.
It most certainly IS US aid, and most certainly does increase the standard of living in Israel way above that of the US average.
To claim otherwise would be lying.
And on top of that, this money is used to blatantly harm innocent Palestinians, in violation of US and international law.

If they are paying for it, then it isn't aid. It is a military contract. You are a liar and you have mental issues.

 

[Bobob]

Ilhan Omar Justified Attacks on Israel and Condemned Defenses Against Them

You might think that America's politicians would be supportive to Israelis, given the situation. Some have been. But when it comes to the progressive left, the messaging has been astonishing.

www.google.com

Opinion | Hamas Tests Israel—and Biden

Iran’s Palestinian ally reignites its conflict with the Jewish state.

www.google.com

Terrorists didn’t attack Israel under Trump, who is banned on Twitter but Omar and the leader of Hamas are not banned. If terrorists are emboldened to attack Israel then what stops them from attacking us next. They see Biden as a weak ass President by just seeing the crisis at the border, him stating America is systematically racist and of course now attack on our allies.

Trump killed terrorist leaders, Biden emboldens them.

Elections have consequences.

Truth over Facts

Trump's actions in the Middle East helped to set up the attack by Hamas. He was as one-sided as he could be to get the Jewish vote, beginning with the embassy transfer, elimination of financial aid,
and totally ignoring the Palestinians as a part of the process. This attack is a perfect example of unintended consequences. and predictable since Trump never looks at the big picture.

Trump's actions in the Middle East brought peace to the region. Biden's actions have resulted in a resumption of violence because the Palestinians know he won't cut off their aid if they misbehave like Trump would have. What did you think was going to happen when you give Iran billions of dollars? Oh wait...you're as naive as Joe...you thought they'd spend it on something OTHER than terrorism? Aren't you special! (eye roll)

First of all, the Palestinians did NOT "misbehave" like you claim, since the rockets had to be fired in retaliation for the Zionist attacks and murders on the Temple Mount and home confiscations.
Second is that we only give the Palestinians $200 million a year, not even enough to cover the cost of garbage collection, compared to the $5 billion we give Israel annually. And that $200 million is required by treaties going back to Reagan, Carter, Bush and Clinton.
You have to give it by US law.
It is not optional.

You fire thousands of rockets over a small disturbance at the Temple Mount and a handful of home confiscations that have been in dispute for decades? Who does that? Yet you claim the Palestinians HAD to fire them? That's a crock. They fired them because they wanted to fire them and were looking for an excuse to do so.

There is no dispute.
The Israelis have no jurisdiction and there are no legal claims involved.
Israel simply have systematically been stealing millions of Arab homes for over 70 years, and since they can't just murder the Arabs like they used to, they now are using kangaroo courts as a smoke screen.

It was not a small disturbance at the Temple Mount, there was an attempt at intimidation through murder, at the most sacred and important place to all Palestinians.
And by the way, no one has any clue in the least where either Temple of Solomon may ever have been, but very unlikely anywhere near the Temple Mount.

The Israelis can have peace any time, just by following the law, get out of Palestinian territory, and return all the homes stolen from Moslems inside Israel.
(There are more than 1 million Moslem homes stolen inside Israel.)

It is ONLY Israel that is in violation of the law and constantly committing crimes.

It is not ONLY the Israelis. The Palestinian charter calls for the destruction of Israel and a two-state setup may not resolve the fighting issues.

 

[irosie91]

Ilhan Omar Justified Attacks on Israel and Condemned Defenses Against Them

You might think that America's politicians would be supportive to Israelis, given the situation. Some have been. But when it comes to the progressive left, the messaging has been astonishing.

www.google.com

Opinion | Hamas Tests Israel—and Biden

Iran’s Palestinian ally reignites its conflict with the Jewish state.

www.google.com

Terrorists didn’t attack Israel under Trump, who is banned on Twitter but Omar and the leader of Hamas are not banned. If terrorists are emboldened to attack Israel then what stops them from attacking us next. They see Biden as a weak ass President by just seeing the crisis at the border, him stating America is systematically racist and of course now attack on our allies.

Trump killed terrorist leaders, Biden emboldens them.

Elections have consequences.

Truth over Facts

Trump's actions in the Middle East helped to set up the attack by Hamas. He was as one-sided as he could be to get the Jewish vote, beginning with the embassy transfer, elimination of financial aid,
and totally ignoring the Palestinians as a part of the process. This attack is a perfect example of unintended consequences. and predictable since Trump never looks at the big picture.

Trump's actions in the Middle East brought peace to the region. Biden's actions have resulted in a resumption of violence because the Palestinians know he won't cut off their aid if they misbehave like Trump would have. What did you think was going to happen when you give Iran billions of dollars? Oh wait...you're as naive as Joe...you thought they'd spend it on something OTHER than terrorism? Aren't you special! (eye roll)

First of all, the Palestinians did NOT "misbehave" like you claim, since the rockets had to be fired in retaliation for the Zionist attacks and murders on the Temple Mount and home confiscations.
Second is that we only give the Palestinians $200 million a year, not even enough to cover the cost of garbage collection, compared to the $5 billion we give Israel annually. And that $200 million is required by treaties going back to Reagan, Carter, Bush and Clinton.
You have to give it by US law.
It is not optional.

I believe Trump was referring to the 370 million we give to the UN fund that provides assistance to Palestinian "refugees". THAT is totally optional.

Good point. I do not know what aid Trump cut.
But clearly it has to be wrong to give $5 billion a year to Israel for weapons and nothing to Palestinian natives who need and deserve out assistance now that we have allowed their enemies to surround and enslave them.

I am going to have you banned. I have told you repeatedly it is not aid but a military contract.

Wrong.
Funding is fungible.
It is aid, and even though it means they will be buying US made weapons with it, it is still coming from US taxpayer dollars, and is fungible.
Meaning that every dollar Israel gets from the US for the purchase of weapons, the more Israeli tax dollars can be spent on luxuries.
It is actually worse than that even, because the US also guarantees even larger amounts in interest free loans.
It most certainly IS US aid, and most certainly does increase the standard of living in Israel way above that of the US average.
To claim otherwise would be lying.
And on top of that, this money is used to blatantly harm innocent Palestinians, in violation of US and international law.

If they are paying for it, then it isn't aid. It is a military contract. You are a liar and you have mental issues.

islamo nazi sophistry-----its' nothing new. WAY BACK when I was a kid, an important
component of the islamo nazi propaganda included AGONIZING discussions of the economic
cost of ZIONISM to the USA. The islamo nazis attributed MASSIVE cost to the
people of the USA in taxes------because donations to hospitals in Israel are
TAX DEDUCTABLE. The calculations that appeared in the little pamphlets were
ASTRONOMICAL------like half the GNP. The little pamphlet information was not obscure---
medical school graduates from places like PAKISTAN----parroted it. They all seem to have
the same vocabulary--------money USED TO MURDER (at that time muzzie arabs were not
yet called "palestinians")------ARABS.

 

[Circe]

I really don't care, they have been going back and forth since I was a kid.

They love war, just like the Afghans do.

They will be at war 50 years from now or more.

You can't fix stupid, the US has tried, let them kill each other.

Yeah, I used to care, but why worry? It really will go on forever, unless there is a big blowup, which they have every once in awhile. Presumably Israel will win in that case; if it's the usual suspects. Iran could be more of a problem.

I don't see Biden (or anyone) going to war over any of this. War either way is not in our national interest. Or needed by anyone.

 

[Dragonlady]

Mainstream media.

View attachment 488573

which begs the question, why are the Zionists so keen on living next door to people who want to KILL THEM.

You know, I know why the Palestinians want to kill them. They stole their land.

But why they are so insistent on staying somewhere they clearly aren't wanted... it boggles the mind.

Oh, wait, a Magic Sky Fairy promised them that land 3000 years ago. that's it.

Unworthy of a reasonable response.

You are hopelessly uninformed.

In other words you have nothing. It's not you who is hopelessly uninformed.

 

[Mindful]

Mainstream media.

View attachment 488573

which begs the question, why are the Zionists so keen on living next door to people who want to KILL THEM.

You know, I know why the Palestinians want to kill them. They stole their land.

But why they are so insistent on staying somewhere they clearly aren't wanted... it boggles the mind.

Oh, wait, a Magic Sky Fairy promised them that land 3000 years ago. that's it.

Unworthy of a reasonable response.

You are hopelessly uninformed.

In other words you have nothing. It's not you who is hopelessly uninformed.

Like you’d know.

 

[Rigby5]

Poor, needy JoeB...You are fully aware that The NT is sending you to the Eternal Lake of Fire.
But, then again, you never read it, did you?

Did you know Hebrew has no word for love?
The word means to give.
When you show Brown people your concern, don't love them, give to them.

Yes, the NT felt that just blaming God for all the natural catastrophes like the OT did wasn't going to fly with people who could actually read. So they needed to up the ante to keep the money flowing.

Christians are idiots
Jews are idiots
Muslims are idiots.

Anyone who thinks there's a magic fairy in the sky is an idiot.

Muslims are the least of the idiots.
Unlike the greed and fear of the Old and New Testaments, Islam has a much greater purpose.
Since government could not be trusted back then, Islam was the second attempt at putting government institutions into religion, so they would be permanent.
The Ancient Egyptians started that idea.
They gave the priesthood control over granaries, seed storage, food production, taking care of widows and orphans, etc.
Islam did even more of the same.
Instead of the corrupt government getting taxes, the more trustworthy priests in the Mosques got the weekly tithing.
This allowed the priests to take care of gran storage, widows and orphans, etc., and is the whole start of the social welfare system we understand we need these days.

I am not saying religion is the best way to conduct social services or that we need it any more, but considering the corrupt governments of ancient times, it was revolutionary and incredibly humane. It was the whole origin of the idea of individuals having value and rights in a growing impersonalized urban life. It was the start of civilization. Instead of just 10 commandments, the Quran covers almost every practical problem and choice that is likely to come up, and it always stresses that "God is merciful" or "God is forgiving", so it always stresses the least violent solution to any problem. The only problem with the Quran is that it was advice for a war time society, so it is way too strict for me.

With all due respect, Rigby...the "priests" in this discussion are the Mullahs and they aren't spending money on "grain" they're spending it on terror!

I disagree.
There has never been a case of Moslem conducting aggressive terror in all of history, that I am aware of.
Do imperialist countries deserve having planes hijacked?
Yes of course they do.
Look at what Truman did to the Palestinians, in total violation of international law and 2 treaties of the WWI allies.
Look at the US lies about WMD in Iraq.
The invasion of Afghanistan was also completely illegal, immoral, and murder.
We were criminal in our actions against Qaddafi, Mosei, Assad, Saddam, etc.
Out Mideast murder toll in the last 20 years is well over a million innocent people.

you could write the Khutbah Jumaats that have galvanized the murder of hundreds
of millions and COUNTING

Wrong.
Muslims do not murder.
Unlike Judaism, murder or anyone is against their religion.
Judaism exalts and rewards murder, like the massacre of Canaanite women and children by Joshua at Jericho.

Muslims don't murder? The sheer stupidity of that comment is breathtaking!

Sure it sounds like the "no true Scotsman" argument fallacy, but it is true.
The Quran is clear that you are not supposed to murder over greed, aggression, desire, want, etc., and can only harm others in defense if and when attacked.
So if one is murdering over greed, aggression, desire, want, etc., then they simply can NOT be a Moslem.
They could be Arab, Asian, or European, but they can't be a Moslem if they do not believe in the Quran and act differently then what the Quran demands.

And by the way, you do know that Mongols, Moghuls, Moors, Mamelukes, and Turks are not really Moslems, right?
They were later invaders who claimed to have adopted Islam, but in reality they just wanted the additional power that pretending to be Moslem gave them.