Bill Allowing Businesses to Refuse Gays Service

[Cecilie1200]

Freedom means EVERYONE is able to patronize a business. Now you are faced with the task of defining who is and who isn't considered part of the 'public'.

Exactly what makes the wants of the customer more important than the wants of the business? Is freedom a one way street?

Exactly what makes the wants of the customer more important than the wants of the business? The OWNER of the business. Can you name a business that is successful without customers?

Ever hear the axiom: The customer is always right?

Which lasts just about as long as it takes to talk to the first customer.

 

[Antares]

If some people's 'freedom', is being able to discriminate, then YES, their 'freedom' is not even worth considering.

Nope.

free·dom

the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.

https://www.google.com/#q=freedom

Here is the quandary the Left faces.......

The "business" cannot use its "freedom" to refuse service.....because a "gay" couple screams that "its" freedom to make a person who disagrees with their lifestyle choice bow to their "will" has been violated.

They are "free" to choose to frequent a "Gay" bakers establishment.....and the "Christian" Baker is "free" to refuse to serve them.

It is called "freedom" you Left wing assholes.

discrimination

noun

1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favoritism, one-sidedness, partisanship; sexism, chauvinism, misogyny, racism, racialism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, ageism, classism, casteism; historical apartheid, racial discrimination

WOW, all the tenets of conservatism in a tidy list.

(smile) Poor Lefty....freedom is only what YOU decide it is.....and to make your point you'd enforce YOUR version at the point of a gun.....

This is the eternal dance of humankind....Leftwing Totalitarianism in the name of "fairness" and "equality" as decided by "it".

YOU get to choose and YOU get to enforce and YOU get to decide whatever you want the word "freedom" to mean.

That is the perfect picture of the word irony.

Freedom is NOT a word to bend to ANYONE'S chosen "interpretation".

Now I fully understand that that concept is beyond your ability to understand....but Adam and Steve are "free" to choose another Bakery.

 

[Bfgrn]

Exactly what makes the wants of the customer more important than the wants of the business? Is freedom a one way street?

Exactly what makes the wants of the customer more important than the wants of the business? The OWNER of the business. Can you name a business that is successful without customers?

Ever hear the axiom: The customer is always right?

Which lasts just about as long as it takes to talk to the first customer.

Can you provide the list of successful businesses without customers?

 

[OKTexas]

Freedom means EVERYONE is able to patronize a business. Now you are faced with the task of defining who is and who isn't considered part of the 'public'.

So...YOU have decided that some people's "freedom" is more important than someone else's "freedom".

Interesting.

If some people's 'freedom', is being able to discriminate, then YES, their 'freedom' is not even worth considering.

What about the gay male that discriminates against women, exactly how far do you want to boil this down? Every individual discriminates probably more than a hundred times before they get to work, tell me, how many of those decisions do you intend to dictate.

 

[Bfgrn]

Nope.

free·dom

the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.

https://www.google.com/#q=freedom

Here is the quandary the Left faces.......

The "business" cannot use its "freedom" to refuse service.....because a "gay" couple screams that "its" freedom to make a person who disagrees with their lifestyle choice bow to their "will" has been violated.

They are "free" to choose to frequent a "Gay" bakers establishment.....and the "Christian" Baker is "free" to refuse to serve them.

It is called "freedom" you Left wing assholes.

discrimination

noun

1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favoritism, one-sidedness, partisanship; sexism, chauvinism, misogyny, racism, racialism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, ageism, classism, casteism; historical apartheid, racial discrimination

WOW, all the tenets of conservatism in a tidy list.

(smile) Poor Lefty....freedom is only what YOU decide it is.....and to make your point you'd enforce YOUR version at the point of a gun.....

This is the eternal dance of humankind....Leftwing Totalitarianism in the name of "fairness" and "equality" as decided by "it".

YOU get to choose and YOU get to enforce and YOU get to decide whatever you want the word "freedom" to mean.

That is the perfect picture of the word irony.

Freedom is NOT a word to bend to ANYONE'S chosen "interpretation".

Now I fully understand that that concept is beyond your ability to understand....but Adam and Steve are "free" to choose another Bakery.

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

 

[Bfgrn]

So...YOU have decided that some people's "freedom" is more important than someone else's "freedom".

Interesting.

If some people's 'freedom', is being able to discriminate, then YES, their 'freedom' is not even worth considering.

What about the gay male that discriminates against women, exactly how far do you want to boil this down? Every individual discriminates probably more than a hundred times before they get to work, tell me, how many of those decisions do you intend to dictate.

People are basically able to discriminate, but it should not be sanctioned and codified by any law.

 

[Antares]

discrimination

noun

1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favoritism, one-sidedness, partisanship; sexism, chauvinism, misogyny, racism, racialism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, ageism, classism, casteism; historical apartheid, racial discrimination

WOW, all the tenets of conservatism in a tidy list.

(smile) Poor Lefty....freedom is only what YOU decide it is.....and to make your point you'd enforce YOUR version at the point of a gun.....

This is the eternal dance of humankind....Leftwing Totalitarianism in the name of "fairness" and "equality" as decided by "it".

YOU get to choose and YOU get to enforce and YOU get to decide whatever you want the word "freedom" to mean.

That is the perfect picture of the word irony.

Freedom is NOT a word to bend to ANYONE'S chosen "interpretation".

Now I fully understand that that concept is beyond your ability to understand....but Adam and Steve are "free" to choose another Bakery.

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

So..."increasing freedom" means "restricting" the freedom of someone you don't agree with.

Priceless.

 

[Antares]

Do Adam and Steve have the ability to "choose" another Bakery?

 

[Bfgrn]

(smile) Poor Lefty....freedom is only what YOU decide it is.....and to make your point you'd enforce YOUR version at the point of a gun.....

This is the eternal dance of humankind....Leftwing Totalitarianism in the name of "fairness" and "equality" as decided by "it".

YOU get to choose and YOU get to enforce and YOU get to decide whatever you want the word "freedom" to mean.

That is the perfect picture of the word irony.

Freedom is NOT a word to bend to ANYONE'S chosen "interpretation".

Now I fully understand that that concept is beyond your ability to understand....but Adam and Steve are "free" to choose another Bakery.

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

So..."increasing freedom" means "restricting" the freedom of someone you don't agree with.

Priceless.

If that so called 'freedom' is based on hatred, is discriminatory or harmful to another person, then YES

And just so we are clear, YOU are defending discrimination.

 

[Antares]

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

So..."increasing freedom" means "restricting" the freedom of someone you don't agree with.

Priceless.

If that so called 'freedom' is based on hatred, is discriminatory or harmful to another person, then YES

And just so we are clear, YOU are defending discrimination.

LOL, Liberal Gymnastics.

You assume they "hate" the Homosexual, you need to prove that.

I affirm their "right" to choose another bakery just as I affirm the Bakery's "right" to refuse them service based upon the Religious Liberties.

Sorry kid, you lose.

 

[Antares]

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

So..."increasing freedom" means "restricting" the freedom of someone you don't agree with.

Priceless.

If that so called 'freedom' is based on hatred, is discriminatory or harmful to another person, then YES

And just so we are clear, YOU are defending discrimination.

Oh yes....and someone saying "I am sorry, you cannot buy my cake".
Is not "harmful", you really are a moron.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Antaresroo does not get that we all have to play by the same rules, and the ultimate judge of the rules is SCOTUS.

He does not have to engage in a public commerce that may have gays as its customers.

However, if he does so engage, he must follow the law.

 

[Katzndogz]

discrimination

noun

1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favoritism, one-sidedness, partisanship; sexism, chauvinism, misogyny, racism, racialism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, ageism, classism, casteism; historical apartheid, racial discrimination

WOW, all the tenets of conservatism in a tidy list.

(smile) Poor Lefty....freedom is only what YOU decide it is.....and to make your point you'd enforce YOUR version at the point of a gun.....

This is the eternal dance of humankind....Leftwing Totalitarianism in the name of "fairness" and "equality" as decided by "it".

YOU get to choose and YOU get to enforce and YOU get to decide whatever you want the word "freedom" to mean.

That is the perfect picture of the word irony.

Freedom is NOT a word to bend to ANYONE'S chosen "interpretation".

Now I fully understand that that concept is beyond your ability to understand....but Adam and Steve are "free" to choose another Bakery.

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

That sounds like a liberal. Freedom is the ability to restrict the religious freedom of others.

 

[Antares]

Antaresroo does not get that we all have to play by the same rules, and the ultimate judge of the rules is SCOTUS.

He does not have to engage in a public commerce that may have gays as its customers.

However, if he does so engage, he must follow the law.

So Obamaboy finally crawls out from under his rock

The Bakery has the "right" to refuse service to anyone, the "Boy's" have the "right" to choose another Bakery, it is just that simple Jake.....

You chose to vote for Obama and then lie about it....I chose to expose you for the liar you are

 

[OKTexas]

discrimination

noun

1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favoritism, one-sidedness, partisanship; sexism, chauvinism, misogyny, racism, racialism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, ageism, classism, casteism; historical apartheid, racial discrimination

WOW, all the tenets of conservatism in a tidy list.

(smile) Poor Lefty....freedom is only what YOU decide it is.....and to make your point you'd enforce YOUR version at the point of a gun.....

This is the eternal dance of humankind....Leftwing Totalitarianism in the name of "fairness" and "equality" as decided by "it".

YOU get to choose and YOU get to enforce and YOU get to decide whatever you want the word "freedom" to mean.

That is the perfect picture of the word irony.

Freedom is NOT a word to bend to ANYONE'S chosen "interpretation".

Now I fully understand that that concept is beyond your ability to understand....but Adam and Steve are "free" to choose another Bakery.

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

Let's test your little theory here.

What about the gay printer who is asked to print posters saying Gays are degenerates and unnatural pieces of shit. Should they be compelled to fill that order?

Or the black baker who is approached to bake a cake for the KKK with the confederate stars and bars and a burning cross. Can they legally discriminate?

Here's a good one, should a Jewish photographer be required to provide their service to a Nazi group wanting to reenact gassing people in Poland?

Tell me, where does the right of the public end when it comes to dictating if a business man has the freedom to pursue a living in a manner of his choice?

It will be fun to see how you attempt to deflect and change the subject on this one.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If some people's 'freedom', is being able to discriminate, then YES, their 'freedom' is not even worth considering.

What about the gay male that discriminates against women, exactly how far do you want to boil this down? Every individual discriminates probably more than a hundred times before they get to work, tell me, how many of those decisions do you intend to dictate.

People are basically able to discriminate, but it should not be sanctioned and codified by any law.

Exactly OUR point. Government should stay right the hell out of people's choices regarding associations.

You, on the other hand, very much think the government should interfere and suppress the freedoms of religious people.

You like to think you're "extending freedom", but the truth is, you're trying to hoard it for yourself and people who agree with you, and no one else gets any.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

So..."increasing freedom" means "restricting" the freedom of someone you don't agree with.

Priceless.

If that so called 'freedom' is based on hatred, is discriminatory or harmful to another person, then YES

And just so we are clear, YOU are defending discrimination.

No, we're defending THE RIGHT to discriminate. We're not leftists, so we don't necessarily have to defend someone's opinion in order to defend their right to hold and express it. And you might want to consider just how dependent you are on the god-given right to be a public dumbfuck before you go suggesting we outlaw it.

As to "harmful", I consider you one of the most pusillanimous, repulsive creatures to ever walk the Earth and erroneously refer to itself as a human being, and there is no way short of a gun to my head that you could EVER make me have anything to do with you or any event you were part of, whether you offered to pay me as part of my business or not. Have I "harmed" you by wanting nothing to do with you, or have I just hurt your feewings?

 

[BDBoop]

Antaresroo does not get that we all have to play by the same rules, and the ultimate judge of the rules is SCOTUS.

He does not have to engage in a public commerce that may have gays as its customers.

However, if he does so engage, he must follow the law.

So Obamaboy finally crawls out from under his rock

The Bakery has the "right" to refuse service to anyone, the "Boy's" have the "right" to choose another Bakery, it is just that simple Jake.....

You chose to vote for Obama and then lie about it....I chose to expose you for the liar you are

You are wrong.

 

[Bfgrn]

(smile) Poor Lefty....freedom is only what YOU decide it is.....and to make your point you'd enforce YOUR version at the point of a gun.....

This is the eternal dance of humankind....Leftwing Totalitarianism in the name of "fairness" and "equality" as decided by "it".

YOU get to choose and YOU get to enforce and YOU get to decide whatever you want the word "freedom" to mean.

That is the perfect picture of the word irony.

Freedom is NOT a word to bend to ANYONE'S chosen "interpretation".

Now I fully understand that that concept is beyond your ability to understand....but Adam and Steve are "free" to choose another Bakery.

This is the eternal dance of humankind....The history of mankind has been a struggle between those who want to increase freedom, opportunity and rights to all people and those who want to restrict them. The people who have always fought to increase freedom, opportunity and rights are liberals. The people who have fought to restrict them are conservatives.

Your idea of 'freedom' is being free to harm another. That is not freedom, it is despotism.

That sounds like a liberal. Freedom is the ability to restrict the religious freedom of others.

The Constitution and the Bill of Rights protects our rights to religious freedom; to worship at any church of our choosing or to not worship at all. But the Constitution and the Bill of Rights does not protect our right to use our religion as a weapon against fellow citizens.

 

[Antares]

Antaresroo does not get that we all have to play by the same rules, and the ultimate judge of the rules is SCOTUS.

He does not have to engage in a public commerce that may have gays as its customers.

However, if he does so engage, he must follow the law.

So Obamaboy finally crawls out from under his rock

The Bakery has the "right" to refuse service to anyone, the "Boy's" have the "right" to choose another Bakery, it is just that simple Jake.....

You chose to vote for Obama and then lie about it....I chose to expose you for the liar you are

Prove it honey.